Wednesday Open Thread

President Obama is going to pardon the turkey with the most Facebook friends.

India today executed Ajmal Kasab by hanging. Kasab, 25, was the sole surviving terrorist carrying out the November, 2008 Mumbai attacks. More here. His defense team welcomed the speedy execution.

In Chicago, David Coleman Headley and Tahawwur Rana have yet to be sentenced. Rana, acquitted of participating in the Mumbai attacks but convicted of conspiring to provide material support to a terrorist conspiracy to maim and murder people in Denmark, and providing material support to the terrorist organization Lashkar-e-Tayyiba (LeT). is set for sentencing on December 4. He faces 30 years.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I leave the country for freakin' 9 days... (5.00 / 5) (#1)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 12:01:50 PM EST
    and the Devil Dog dies...unbelievable, Drakes Cakes are a god-damn American icon!!!  And the Knicks are f*ckin' 8-1, the world is ending for sure!:)

    Other than that it looks like same old same old...Middle East on the brink of war, men in high places letting their little head get 'em in trouble, resigning for all the wrong reasons...feels like home.

    Felt like I got right off the plane and right back under a workpile, still balls to the wall in water heater world...I'm giving thanks for Thankgiving amongst many other things, 4 days of R&R.

    Had another dream trip...eating like a champ, spent a few days at Nanciyaga in a hammock for 2 on Lago Catemaco, hittin' the bars of El Puerto and Xalapa, dancing the Danzon in the plaza if Papantla...my gringo moves were a big hit with the locals.

    Hope y'all behaved yourselves...and everyone has a kick-arse Thanksgiving.

    Welcome home. Sounds like this trip was (none / 0) (#2)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 12:09:32 PM EST
    just what the doctor ordered.

    As to the loss of Hostess, government sex scandal, etc., well you know the saying "the more things change, the more they stay the same."


    Thanks Cap'n... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 01:22:29 PM EST
    indeed it was a rejuvenation prescription...physically, mentally, spiritually, & amorously;)  

    Not that ya need no 'scripts in Mexico...was able to score some meds for my mom for 80 pesos that normally cost her 50 bucks.  Between that score and 3 bottles of Don Julio for 600-something pesos, mucho barato Marlboro Rojos, the pirate booty knows no bounds.  Customs rules, umm....what Mama Napolitano don't know won't hurt her;)


    Oh my gawd. Haven't you read about (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 01:27:33 PM EST
    the poor U.S. blokes in prison in Mexico who tried to bring Viagra, pain meds, etc. across the border at San Ysidro?

    "Forget it, Jake -- it's Tijuana." (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:07:54 PM EST
    You definitely do not want to end up on the wrong side of the authorities on the Baja side of the U.S. border.

    Catch any fish? (none / 0) (#21)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:02:47 PM EST
    Brooklyn Nets??? (none / 0) (#7)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 02:01:11 PM EST
    Is that for real?

    Real (none / 0) (#24)
    by rdandrea on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:17:56 PM EST
    as a heart attack.

    this is scary (none / 0) (#16)
    by SuzieTampa on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:28:39 PM EST
    I also just returned to the country after 9 days. I've been in Prague for the annual meeting of the Connective Tissue Oncology Society, which reports on sarcoma research. It was great to be there for Nov. 17, their day of democracy and independence.

    Like kdog, I'm also trying to sort out the news. I don't follow sports,  unless you count the taking down of Lance Armstrong. I stayed at the Hilton Prague where the Spanish tennis team stayed for the Davis Cup finals, but watched only long enough to wonder why they were wearing pink tennis shoes.

    My former doctor had invited me to room with her for free, and we stayed in the ritzy section that requires a special key card. How wonderful it must be to have this kind of money! There was a special lounge full of free food and alcohol. Let's see, do I want to eat at the incredible free buffet at the conference that has homemade ice cream each day or do I want to go upstairs to the private lounge and sip free champagne and eat Swiss chocolate. Do I want one of my doctor friends to pay for duck and truffles and marzipan ice cream? Why, yes, yes, I do.

    The last night, I had projectile vomiting (my intestines don't work so well after radiation and 3 abdominal surgeries) and had to use a wheelchair in the airports. Prague - a nightmare for people who use wheelchairs. In the airport, the KLM staff didn't seem to get the idea that a person who needs a wheelchair could still fly safely. KLM was much better in Amsterdam, and Delta was great.  


    Oh, I am so sorry, Suzie! (none / 0) (#19)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:48:08 PM EST
    I hope that you are feeling much better now!
    And, yes, the way the airlines treat you has a lot to do with which airport you are flying out of.  Be well, my sister.  Namaste.

    Geez, you have to watch (none / 0) (#45)
    by desertswine on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 08:55:19 PM EST
    what you eat...  you can't just eat anything.  Glad you're better tho.

    I'm blaming the absinthe chocolate (none / 0) (#50)
    by SuzieTampa on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:35:58 PM EST
    which I had to try, but was really horrible - perhaps the only piece of chocolate that I've ever disliked. Of course, I knew better, and there were at least 700 doctors there, including my former doctor and another doctor who published a case study on me, plus another friend who is a nurse practitioner familiar with bowel issues. (I can't remember which delicious dinner she and her husband bought me.) So, I wasn't lacking for medical advice.

    About airports again ... I have a urostomy bag, and I was pulled aside in Prague and Amsterdam for a pat-down. Because of language differences and a lack of time, I just pulled the bag out of my pants both times. Another nice thing about flying with my doctor is she wasn't embarrassed at all; she only noted that I appeared somewhat dehydrated.



    My friends have enough Hilton points (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:13:00 PM EST
    to always be on or have access to the Executive Lounge.  I love traveling with them!  

    Welcome Home! (none / 0) (#58)
    by Amiss on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:56:47 PM EST
    Sounds like you had a well-deserved R&R.
    You have been missed.
    Happy Turkey Day!

    So fortunate I got to hear these (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 01:56:12 PM EST
    programs (in LA and Costa Mesa, sans Simon Keenlyside).  NYT review

    Last two nights:  Sir John Eliot Gardner conducting two Beethoven programs in Costa Mesa.  Open valve brass, wooden wood winds, gut strings.  Following Beethoven's original tempo indications.  Quite brisk but clean and soulful.  Marvelous.  

    Yes, I am very thankful.  Not sure my 2002 Camry is though.  

    I watched (none / 0) (#10)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 02:19:18 PM EST
    a broadcast of Daniel Barenboim conducting the West-Eastern Divan Orchestra the other day.

    I never liked the focusing on different sections of the orchestra by the television cameras according to the interpretations by the directors in the booth of what musical phrase matters at a given moment. I prefer a picture of the entire orchestra - leaving it to me to look wherever I might choose to look.

    But the WEDO really surprised me by the amount of gesturing and face-making that each section was doing - seemingly to illustrate the meaning of the phrases they were playing.

    My model for this sort of thing is Toscanini directing the NBC orchestra - available on video. No wasted motion. Pure music.

    What's your impression?


    I much prefer musicians, (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:16:07 PM EST
    and conductors, who make every note count toward a beautiful performance of the chosen repertoire. Which is why I avoid the Lang Lang and Fazil Says of the classical music world.

    For another point of view read about conductor Pak's artistic vision.  Unfulfilled. He abruptly resigned and the entire season was cancelled leaving musicians and subscribers in the lurch. link


    Just finished reading: Jeff Beck (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:00:51 PM EST
    Hot wired guitar and it's very good.  I love that both he and Les Paul made their own guitars out of a board and a cigar box with wire strings and homemade electric pickups.  After becoming famous he smashed more guitars and amps on stage than anybody.  But he kept making strange combination Gibson, Fender, and Strat guitars and weird In-A-Gadda-Da-Vida sounds.  He's only six years younger than me too.

    You've convinced me (none / 0) (#54)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:08:17 PM EST
    I'm going to have to read that book. I love Jeff Beck.

    Oculus (none / 0) (#35)
    by DFLer on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:22:50 PM EST
    Have you ever checked out the series of interviews with top conductors by Charlie Rose? Some very cool stuff. Go to his website and look around.

    I will, though I must admit I have (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:13:38 PM EST
    my favorites.  

    I (none / 0) (#37)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:49:56 PM EST
    read the article you linked to about Pak.

    Not my kind of guy.


    I think Obama has pardoned (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by scribe on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:04:42 PM EST
    more turkeys than actual people.


    You'd lose that bet (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:34:05 PM EST

    Still pretty shameful, (none / 0) (#66)
    by scribe on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 06:42:19 PM EST
    the parsimony.

    Are (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:52:24 PM EST
    you including Bush and Cheney?

    In which category? Turkeys or people? (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:50:20 PM EST
    Oh, my - the Thanksgiving cooking (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:23:09 PM EST
    continues apace...coming down the home stretch now, so turning my attention to table set-up, cleaning and organizing, so that when guests begin to arrive around 4 tomorrow, I will actually be able to relax a bit and enjoy the evening.

    For some reason, there are a lot of dishes on the menu that have bacon in them, but you know what they say: everything's better with bacon!  I'm making Zorba's butternut squash casserole - with bacon - a brussels sprouts salad - with bacon - and a green bean dish that is bundles of green beans wrapped with partially cooked bacon and drizzled with a brown sugar/butter/garlic/soy sauce concoction that is to die for.  They were a huge hit last year, so they made it onto the menu again.

    Pumpkin cheesecake is in the oven, the turkey was brined and is now drying out its skin so it will be nice and crisp, the mashed potatoes, and the dressing are all done, and tomorrow morning I will make an apple pie.  Oh, and roast the garlic that will get mashed and spread on top of a wheel of brie, that will go inside a hollowed-out round loaf of sourdough and heated until it's all melty.  It gets served with sliced bread and/or crackers.

    It's really my favorite holiday, and the only thing I'm sad about is that one of my daughters and her fiance won't be with us - daughter's oldest friend is being married on Friday in Charleston - she's in the wedding - and they flew down there this morning.  

    I have a lot to be thankful for this year; there's nothing that lifts me up and fills my heart more than looking around the table and seeing so many people that I love all in one place.

    Hope all of you have a wonderful Thanksgiving with the people you love.

    Sounds great! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Amiss on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 11:25:58 PM EST
    Happy Turkey Day to you and your loved ones.
    Happy Thanksgiving to you all.
    This is the first time in 40 years I am unable to spend with my daughter..the light  of my life.

    If you read Donald's link, you will learn (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:23:34 PM EST
    bacon is a mandatory ingredient!

    What link was that? (none / 0) (#51)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:40:41 PM EST
    Otherwise, you'll never learn that bacon is a mandatory ingredient from me. I respect others who love those little porcine strips, but honestly, I lost my taste for the stuff years ago, when I was undergoing chemo for Hodgkin's disease.

    My body chemistry somehow changed because of the drug regimen I was on, and the mere smell of bacon became something that just absolutely repulsed me -- and 20 years later, I still associate bacon with that almost nauseous feeling I had. It's sounds goofy, I know, but I just can't bring myself to eat it any more.


    Oops. DFLer. Got the first letter (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:14:57 PM EST

    funny how that happens (none / 0) (#67)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 09:09:13 AM EST
    I had a hiatal hernia since forever when I had my first child (who was the size of a three months old at birth).  I finally had it repaired and was sick for weeks after.  Ever since then I can not eat shell fish.

    Where did they choose (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:50:09 PM EST
    in Charleston? There are some fantastic wedding venues there (and not many cheap)

    Lowndes Plantation, I believe. (none / 0) (#59)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:58:07 PM EST
    While neither the bride nor the groom are from Charleston, they met at the College of Charleston.  Bride is in dental school here at MD, groom is living and working in New Orleans.  This was the only time bride had more than a weekend off from school (no plans for happy couple to live in the same city until bride is closer to being finished with school - so we have no idea why they had to get married now, much less why they had to make all their family and friends travel on the busiest weekend of the year).

    My husband and I were also invited, but with our other daughter only a couple weeks away from giving birth, plus the cost of airfare, hotel and meals, it just didn't make sense.  As it is, my daughter and her fiance are spending close to $2,000 for this wedding - no small expense any way you look at it.

    I guess the rehearsal dinner will be their Thanksgiving - not sure where they're doing that.

    I hope they have a great time - will look forward to seeing some pictures!


    I'll do you one better, Anne: (none / 0) (#57)
    by NYShooter on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:41:52 PM EST
    "I have a lot to be thankful for this year; there's nothing that lifts me up and fills my heart more than looking around the table and seeing so many people that I love all in one place."


    Stuffing their faces like starved, shipwrecked, castaways.....too engrossed in devouring all the yummies you took days to prepare, but which you fooled no one with your flick of a wrist, and an, "oh, it didn't take any time at all."

    As a fellow chef "extraordinaire," nothing says, "it was sooo worth it,"  than watching your guests throwing away their manners, and their self-respect, as they stuff your fixen's down their throats with both fists.

    "Obama? Romney? Right!"  "Is anybody gonna have that last roll over there?" "Seconds? Oh, noo, I couldn't eat another.......oh, what the hay, it is Thanksgiving."

    It certainly is.


    I don't think I would want (none / 0) (#3)
    by me only on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 12:10:20 PM EST
    Mssrs. Solkar, Shah and Kazmi defending me.

    Again, I blame BTD for my continuing waste of time, but I note that today the posters at EE's site doubled dumb.

    The (none / 0) (#8)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 02:09:30 PM EST
    commander in chief is going to pardon one turkey. The one who gets the most votes. The other one, though, will not be killed. It will simply be given a retirement in a very comfy setting. Same for the victor.

    I think a public execution of the loser would be most entertaining and enlightening. A refitted drone with turkey level targeting could be a real fun frolic for the whole family. Maybe a winning voter could be allowed to remotely pilot the drone and blast turkeyloser into smitherines, feathers akimbo.

    I like celebrating the feast that celebrates our screwing of the Native Americans by slaughtering thousands of gobblers.

    What I don't understand is how honey-baked ham got into the picture. Is nothing sacred?

    The annual parody of the President's (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 02:19:07 PM EST
    constitutional pardon power might conceivably be somehow entertaining and enlightening if the President would use his actual power of clemency as it was intended by the Framers -- liberally, to correct injustices and excesses in the federal criminal conviction-and-sentencing system. Lord knows, with our present rate of incarceration and unreasonable length of typical sentences, not to mention the inevitable wrongful convictions, we desperately need it.

    Yes, I agree (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 02:55:42 PM EST
    I would much, much prefer clemency for people, as opposed to the random turkey.
    I would also prefer that our entire law enforcement-judicial-prison ( I would even say "prison-industrial") system could be totally reformed.
    {{Sigh}}. Unfortunately, I don't see that happening in my lifetime.    

    But is ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:11:31 PM EST
    ... Jesse Jackson, Jr. just any random turkey?

    Oh, excuse me, I'm sorry -- you guys were talking about an actual bird!


    Donald, I am not a big fan (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:23:38 PM EST
    of Jesse, Jr., nor am I a fan of Chicago-style politics.  However, there are a whole he!! of a lot more, and worse, human turkeys than Jesse Jackson, Jr. floating around, and I'm not quite sure why you even brought him up in this context.  Just sayin'.  Have a happy Thanksgiving, my brother.

    Jesse Jackson, JR. resigned his seat (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:10:14 PM EST
    in the House today, citing his continued mental health problems and the ongoing investigation into his use of campaign funds.

    I do hope that Jesse is able to get his bipolar disorder under control. It is a hard battle.

    I am, I don't know, troubled I guess, bothered a bit, that he stood for reelection earlier this month even though he has not been able to perform his Congressional duties for many many months, and now, after winning reelection, he is quitting. This means a very cash-strapped Illinois must foot the bill for a special election to fill his seat. And his district will be without representation until that election is held.

    Given that his mental health issues rendered him unable to fulfill his duties for many, many months, and he was readmitted for treatment at least once that I remember, I do question his decision to stand for reelection.


    I think so, too, Casey (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:48:37 PM EST
    But if he has mental health issues, which he appears to have, I am not sure that he could make the most rational of decisions regarding his political life.  Should his advisors have told him to resign earlier?  Probably- who knows what the heck they advised him to do?  At the end of the day, it was his decision, though.
    (And given the district that he is in, I feel reasonably certain that any election to replace him will be a Democrat.)
    I also realize that Illinois is cash-strapped, as are most, if not all states.  But it is exceedingly difficult to tell someone in Congress " Step down, you cannot fulfill your duties."
    Perhaps someone should have told Woodrow Wilson to step down after he had a stroke in October, 1919, after which his wife and his Chief of Staff basically hid his disability and ran the Presidency.  But they didn't.  Perhaps Gabrielle Giffords should not have waited a year after her near-assassination before resigning.  But she didn't.
    It is a very, very difficult call to make.
    It has happened before, and will no doubt happen again.

    P.S.: (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:32:54 PM EST
    Have a wonderful Thanksgiving Day tomorrow, Mme. Zorba.

    we cry about political corruption (none / 0) (#68)
    by TeresaInPa on Fri Nov 23, 2012 at 09:39:04 AM EST
    saying that it's impossible to fight and that pols are not responsible to the people because they all protect each other etc... then when someone gets caught, investigated, when they are on our side we want them pardoned.  We brush it off as if it were not important.  JJ Jr.  is not one of my favorite people.  I think it is very convenient that he now has this bi-polar issue.
    The bottom line is that no seat should be that safe.  Not only has he not done his job for months but he didn't even run a campaign.  Must be nice to know you can win for no good reason and there for spend campaign funds on your house.
    The people of his district should be ashamed of themselves too, re-electing him for what reason?  Couldn't they have run a write in campaign for some other democrat or voted third party or given the republican the chance?

    How (none / 0) (#41)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:03:45 PM EST
    about James Michael Curley, who was reelected Mayor of Boston while serving time in prison...

    And then there is (none / 0) (#43)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 07:47:16 PM EST
    D.C.'s Marion Berry.  Not that he was elected while in prison, but he was re-elected to various offices after his release.  And is still serving on the D.C. Council.

    Given that Jesse, Jr. might be looking at ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:28:30 PM EST
    ... potential jail time for allegedly misusing campaign funds because his attorneys were apparently negotiating a plea bargain with the feds, I thought that maybe he could use a presidential pardon instead of the turkey with the most Facebook friends (another reason to not like Facebook).

    I mean, Richard Nixon was considered worthy of one, and he put the entire country through a wringer.


    Too true, Donald (none / 0) (#33)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:04:41 PM EST
    But I have to say, welcome to Chicago style politics.  Not that I condone  any kind of misuse of campaign finds.  But I also do not think that Jesse, Jr. was faking his mental problems.  I don't think that anyone wants to spend a significant amount of time as an in-patient at the Mayo Clinic, or anywhere else, if they do not have a lot of problems.
    And, BTW, his 2nd Congressional District includes part of Cook County.  I am sure that you are familiar with Cook County, as well as Chicago, politics.  Cook County has always been the epicenter of the Chicago Political Machine.

    if you follow the link (none / 0) (#17)
    by SuzieTampa on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:35:04 PM EST
    you'll see that the pardon-the-turkey thing is also a sad commentary on farming & food in this country. The pardoned turkeys rarely live more than a month after their pardons because of the way they've been bred.

    I think we should pardon the turkeys (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by kmblue on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:59:52 PM EST
    and kill Facebook.

    Domestic turkeys (none / 0) (#20)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:56:46 PM EST
    are not going to do well, no matter what.  They have been over-bred, cannot even mate normally, and for the most part, are not raised in any kind of ideal conditions.  But then, neither are most of the mass-produced food animals in this country.
    Don't get me wrong, I am not in any way a vegetarian.  But I think that we can raise our food animals in a much more humane way than we do.  When we raised beef cattle, they were totally free-range and were not fed any antibiotics or hormones.  Yes, they wound up on somebody's table, but they did not have an awful, feed-lot type of life before that.

    I asked Vietnamese immigrant (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 09:15:29 PM EST
    manicurist if she celebrates Thanksgiving.  Yes.  Do the people in Vietnam?  No.  But, we export them frozen turkeys.

    Once crossing the Panama Canal (5.00 / 4) (#56)
    by fishcamp on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 10:15:30 PM EST
    I didn't have all my paperwork exactly perfect so I gave the Customs guy two frozen turkeys I had on the boat and bingo...we made it through to the Pacific.  That's my best turkey story.  Happy Holidays.

    10 days into the NCAA basketball season, ... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:17:12 PM EST
    ... and I have just three words:

    Butler is back.

    sorry about Butler... (none / 0) (#63)
    by fishcamp on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 07:57:30 AM EST
    Well, they were back for ... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 05:21:17 PM EST
    ... two days, anyway.

    Jesse Jackson Jr. (none / 0) (#18)
    by SuzieTampa on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 03:43:59 PM EST
    The comment probably referred to him resigning.

    Is this an accurate (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 04:58:34 PM EST
    assessment of national polls?

    The Guardian

    In 2012 (none / 0) (#29)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:14:39 PM EST
    very much so.

    This was Nate's article on it back on the 10th but with states still counting it's already outdated. And as more results continue to trickle in Obama's lead continues to grow and the national polls continue to look worse, especially Rasmussen, ARG, and Gallup.

    It appears that like Fox, the polls were skewed to the wrong.


    I think (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:59:52 PM EST
    now, as I did before, that the "closeness" of the race was a fabrication of the media explicitly for the purpose of getting us to watch and selling us soap.

    Fox News would like to take the time ... (none / 0) (#32)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 05:42:36 PM EST
    ... to wish everyone across America a Happy Thanksgiving. Enjoy the day, everyone.

    Because at 12:01 a.m. EDT on Friday morning, the big bad liberals' War on Christmas will immediately commence, and it looks like no one is going to get out alive.

    Which side is Santa on? (none / 0) (#60)
    by unitron on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 11:25:04 PM EST
    http://www.liberalmarchingorders.org (and, for that matter, .com) doesn't resolve, so as a mindless liberal automaton, I'm left unsure how to proceed.

    Pre T-day post (none / 0) (#36)
    by DFLer on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:31:04 PM EST
    Over the river and through the woods to my brother's house in Mankato early tomorrow morning. Happy T-day to all.

    Please check out the wonderful Thanksgiving Day Rules by Margaret and Helen:

    Thanksgiving Letter to the Family 2012

    Great site. (none / 0) (#62)
    by unitron on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 11:37:54 PM EST
    I especially love their immigration exchange program idea posted back on the 5th.

    Yikes (none / 0) (#39)
    by lentinel on Wed Nov 21, 2012 at 06:57:52 PM EST
    I just realized that this year's Thanksgiving Day is falling on the anniversary of the assassination of JFK.

    I guess the show must go on...

    Strange, though.

    The German Greens (none / 0) (#64)
    by Politalkix on Thu Nov 22, 2012 at 09:56:26 AM EST
    may disappoint liberals who did not vote for Pres BHO because he does not always listen to them