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    General point on the broadcast (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:18:18 AM EST
    For me the Flash player NEVER works.

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    Pelosi staying on in leadership position (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:43:12 AM EST
    for at least the next two years; while I have not always been thrilled with Nancy, she beats the hell out of Hoyer or Van Hollen, for sure.

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 10:25:22 AM EST
    Especially about Stenny.  Not too impressed with Chris Van Hollen, either, although he seems marginally better than Stenny Hoyer.  In any case, I'd rather have Nancy than one of them.  I wish that Nancy was more of a fighter, though.  I've never forgiven her for "Impeachment is off the table."

    Ms. Pelosi said that because ... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:21:57 PM EST
    ... she never had the votes within her own caucus for impeachment, and thus really had no choice. She's a consummate operative in the House, and if there's one thing in Congress at which she has excelled over the years, it's counting to 218. She would never have said anything so definitive about ruling out impeachment, had she possessed the votes necessary to say otherwise.

    I don't really care... (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by sj on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 08:53:37 AM EST
    ... why she said it.  Once it's said it can't be unsaid even should circumstances change.  Moreover "off the table" isn't the term typically used for other actions that "don't have the votes" and it was arrogantly dismissive of vocal, active and reliably democratic voters.  Like me.

    That was one of the first nails in the coffin that held my loyalty to the Democratic party.


    Oh good. (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 10:44:06 AM EST
    I wasn't liking the 'Hoyer will be able to negotiate with the Republicans' I was seeing written in a couple of articles . . . .

    I encourage you to flip over to Kos to see... (5.00 / 7) (#8)
    by magster on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:06:35 AM EST
    .. the video of Luke Russert asking her if she should step down to make way for someone younger (first story there now).

    The inexperienced unqualified beneficiary of nepotism asking her that question is stunning...


    Pelosi vs.Luke Russert. Little Luke loses. (5.00 / 4) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:15:51 PM EST
    At a news conference Little Luke actually asked Pelosi if she didn't think that her staying on as Speaker was a bad idea because then younger people weren't in the leadership. Notice in the clip that Russert just will not let it drop and digs himself into a deeper hole.

    Pelosi is at the podium surrounded by women from the House Democratic Caucus which is the first party caucus in either the House or the Senate to have more women than men.

    Russert is a dolt, and Pelosi hands him him @ss by treating him with the contempt he deserves.

    Pelosi is a very skillful poetical operator. She manages to give Russert a thoughtful answer while simultaneously slamming him.


    Didn't she slap him down once before, (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:22:25 PM EST
    a few months ago? Maybe it was someone else.

    I continue to be astounded he is even allowed in the room.


    It's pretty obvious that ... (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:56:27 PM EST
    ... the Beltway media elite sho' does love themselves some Li'l Luke. Any other snarky 20-something would be summarily tossed out on his or her ear for such blatant impertinence.

    NBC News is clearly ill-served by the Tin-Can Triumvirate of Luke Russert, David Gregory and Chick Todd trodding the halls of power in Washington, each paid quite handsomely to traffic in banality.


    Was pretty funny when she said (5.00 / 5) (#26)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:56:45 PM EST
    what an offensive question it was, but (smiling at him) "I realize you don't understand why."

    I parahrased. Here's the exact quote: (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:09:16 PM EST
    "Let's for a moment honor it as a legitimate question, although it's quite offensive," Pelosi responded. "You don't realize that, I guess." She went on to say that she had no concerns about the question Russert raised, adding flatly, "the answer is no."

    S*ck on that Lukey.


    Jeez, that kid is insufferable; he seems (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 02:10:58 PM EST
    to have confused being rude with being a good journalist, and proof of the miserable quality of his work is that it will probably escape his attention that Pelosi's deftness at putting him in his place is a testament to the benefits of the older, experienced leadership he thinks should step aside.

    I bless the "mute" button on the remote for many things; on the few occasions when Baby Russert's ham-handed efforts at reporting appear on my TV, I am reminded just how grateful I am for it.


    Check this tweet of his (none / 0) (#31)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 02:45:06 PM EST
    Luke Russert ‏@LukeRussert
    Negatives: Very polarizing, moderates hurt by association. Fires up #GOP. She's an older face for a younger party

    Clearly, Li'l Luke is an A$$. (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 02:59:46 PM EST
    If the junior Russert represents the very best that NBC News has to offer, then its very best is indeed quite pathetic.

    "The apple doesn't fall far (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:12:59 PM EST
    from the tree" really fits here.  

    Tim Russert was no beacon of journalistic excellence, not by any stretch; if anything, he was the poster child for access journalism,  assuming everything was off the record unless told otherwise.  Oh, how he cherished the places that took him and the elbows he got to rub - but always, always at the expense of the people he purported to "inform."

    I guess in that regard, Baby Russert carries on in his father's tradition; were Timmy still alive, I'm sure L'il Luke would be just another overpaid, grifting Wall-Streeter.

    What a jerk.  And by "jerk," I mean "d-bag."


    O.K. Anne, you've had your say (none / 0) (#79)
    by NYShooter on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:17:22 AM EST
    And, I wasn't going to go down this path, but you've forced my hand. Yes, Baby Russert is a jerk, and everything you said about him, and his ilk, is undoubtedly true also. But, having said that,  compared to what I'm going to ask you to watch, Russert is Edward R. Murrow.

    Please let me know what you think. Personally, I think I've hit the low point as to the prospects for our country. All your complaints & criticisms? A walk in the park after you've seen this.

    Just when you think, "things can't get any worse," .....The Video.


    While I agree that Scarborough is a dope (5.00 / 3) (#80)
    by caseyOR on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 01:43:50 AM EST
    and, frankly, an embarrassment to our already pretty embarrassing press corps, his outburst in no way makes Luke Russert resemble the late Mr. Murrow.

    Scarborough comes off as some kind of whiny fool. Russert comes off as a @sshole.

    Had I been sitting next to Scarborough I would have laughed at him. Had I been sitting next to Luke Russert I would have smacked him upside the head.

    While NBC is hardly a bastion of journalistic excellence, Little Luke is a disgrace to his employer. He does not reach the already very low bar set by his colleagues.


    Blasphemy - Murrow's and Russert's names (none / 0) (#81)
    by Angel on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 06:47:51 AM EST
    mentioned in the same sentence.  Then you link to Scarborough, well, that's some serious sinning.  

    Yes and others bless the MUTE button as well.... (none / 0) (#35)
    by Jim in St Louis on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:03:59 PM EST
    ...that is if you choose to believe another beltway journalist.

    He's worse than insufferable. (none / 0) (#38)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:14:35 PM EST
    Wish the camera had been on his face so we could see have seen his reaction to the spanking Nancy was giving him.  

    Something tells me (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:29:31 PM EST
    it didn't phase him. . . .

    Probably because ... (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:10:35 PM EST
    ... it went right over his head at the time Pelosi said it. Baby Russert is one of those insufferable people you end up meeting every so often in this life, a twerp who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.

    The last sentence should read political (none / 0) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:17:27 PM EST
    operator, not poetical. I often lose the battle with auto-correct.

    Good (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by andgarden on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:57:17 PM EST
    As in 2010, I could theoretically see preferring someone else, but I surely do not prefer anyone else actually on offer.

    Angus King says he'll caucus with the Democrats. (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 10:56:28 AM EST

    And by so announcing, he demonstrates ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 02:02:44 PM EST
    ... a sublime talent for publicly stating the painfully obvious. He ought to fit right in, then, with Dick Durbin and Chuck Schumer, et al.

    Bob Dylan on Letterman 28 years ago (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:38:42 AM EST
    And this NYT review of TV chef Guy Fieiri's... (5.00 / 3) (#10)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:40:36 AM EST
    Wow (none / 0) (#13)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:02:11 PM EST
    Never read such a scathing review ...

    Neither have I! (none / 0) (#16)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:00:29 PM EST
    Needless to say, on our next trip to NYC, we will be sure to skip It.  I'll give Daughter Zorba and hubby, who live there,  a "heads up," too, in case they haven't read the review.

    Same here. that is absolutely the most, well, (none / 0) (#65)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:21:44 PM EST
    scathing restaurant review I have ever read. I don't care for Guy Fieri, but I did feel twinge of pity for him when I read this review.

    I'd say it's moved beyond scathing ... (none / 0) (#69)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:00:49 PM EST
    ... and into the realm of personal animus / grudge. It would not surprise me in the slightest if there existed an undisclosed bit of history between writer and chef.

    I do remember, however (none / 0) (#84)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 10:58:14 AM EST
    That when one of the Top Chef Masters, I forget which one, Hugh Acheson I think, was asked who he thought the worst TV chef was, he cringed, apologized, then said Guy Fieri.  I have a hunch he's considered the Mickey D's of Chefs by those in the game.

    That said, my hunch is... (none / 0) (#85)
    by Dadler on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 11:05:14 AM EST
    ...the guy had literally the worst mega-restaurant experience of his life and tried to convey how awful it was. Honestly tho, Times Square is just not where you go to be taken seriously as a restauranteur by "those in the know," whoever the hell they are.

    To my mind, it has (none / 0) (#86)
    by Anne on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 02:01:45 PM EST
    "hose the tourists" written all over it.

    Yowch! That one burns. (none / 0) (#14)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:23:40 PM EST
    Kind of wish I'd read it after lunch, and not before.

    No you don't! trust me! (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:56:28 PM EST
    The description of those nachos is making me regret eating anything all week.

    ground turkey, ugh!! (none / 0) (#47)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:59:10 PM EST
    Fried noodles??  Pepperoni slivers??  It sounds like it comes straight outta the cookbook we made in first grade at Christmas, as a present for our parents, one recipe from every kid. On second thought, from the sound of it, those kid recipes would probably be better than Fieri's slop sounds.

    Shame (none / 0) (#18)
    by vicndabx on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:10:07 PM EST
    Might've went there.  Guy has a great recipe for salmon we love.  Spicy and sweet.

    lol!~ Thanks for the link!! (none / 0) (#22)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:27:26 PM EST
    Also talked about at lunch (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 02:21:45 PM EST
    If Broadwell kept classified information in her home she may find herself in jail.  Looks like she had classified information kept in her home.  She will lose all of her security clearances forever and because she was a reservist intel officer she may go to jail too because she knew better.  She is really DONE.

    Or she could join (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by me only on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:17:38 PM EST
    Albright Stonebridge Group.

    And where (none / 0) (#33)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 02:54:26 PM EST
    the he!! did she get the classified information???  From Petraeus?  

    If you believe what you read she said she took (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:11:53 PM EST
    the documents from government offices.  I'm wondering if she's being scapegoated or if she really did something stupid and if so, why?  What's her reason for having classified documents in her possession?  What was she trying to learn?  

    Who knows? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:15:51 PM EST
    This is getting murkier and murkier.  Paula Broadwell, Petraeus, Jill Kelley, Jill's sister, General Allen, the FBI agent, and on and on.  We may never know all the details.  

    and me!!! (none / 0) (#52)
    by magster on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:24:00 PM EST
    I dated Jill. She totally digs me.

    LOL! (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:26:57 PM EST
    But did she tell you that she was a a "consul"?

    Yes, and I was her "envoy" (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by magster on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:14:44 PM EST
    And PS (none / 0) (#54)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:32:44 PM EST
    Did you send her a picture of your chest, sans clothing?  Or, maybe you sent a picture of yourself "below the waist," as did Anthony Weiner. Do tell, magster!  Inquiring minds want to know!    ;-)

    Are you sure it was Jill and not Natalie? (none / 0) (#55)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:39:08 PM EST
    They're identical twins.  :)

    Not sure.... (none / 0) (#71)
    by magster on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 07:14:06 PM EST
    I just said "hey baby!" with an eyebrow waggle all the time.

    Could it be possible that after (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:30:37 PM EST
    So many years of war, some persons of importance in the military community think that rules no longer apply to them?  I dunno

    Makes me remember Fawn Hall smuggling (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:47:04 PM EST
    classified documents inside her knee-high leather boots for Oliver North then shredding them.  

    I wish Lindsey Graham & John McCain would stfu (5.00 / 3) (#43)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 03:57:41 PM EST
    about Susan Rice and Benghazi.  I'm so sick of him acting like he knows everything.  Now he wants Watergate-type hearings for Benghazi.  Why do they hate America?

    Miss Lindsey (none / 0) (#51)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:19:51 PM EST
    (okay, I'm sorry for that appellation, but I simply can't help myself) and John McCain really do need to STFU, I agree.

    I'd say that ... (none / 0) (#62)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:07:38 PM EST
    ... this video pretty much sums up the Republican position on Benghazi -- and also on pretty much everything else of note, while we're at it.

    Good piece in today's NY Times re: Lee Atwater (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:23:06 PM EST
    and today's Republican party.  


    Yesterday when my son was (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:39:18 PM EST
    with his physical therapist, the PT asks me if I know that 20 states now have a petition to leave the union?  I chuckled a bit.  He told me Alabama was one of them.  Well of course it is and duh.  I asked him if those who want to leave the union realize that the moment that that happens Fort Rucker packs its bags because we belong to the United States of America and we all leave (then I start fantasizing....phuck yeah...throw me out please).

    He stops for a minute and tells me he doesn't think everyone has thought this through who wants it.  Ya think?

    He knows I'm from the West though and he asks me if Texas leaves won't the Mexicans just take it over?  I sigh...30 crazy Texans have been threatening to leave the union since I was in high school.  Trouble is the state doesn't belong to 30 crazy Texans.

    I can't believe I have to have these conversations sometimes.  Some people really need to leave Alabama once in awhile.  So I ask him if he understands that even before Texas became a state that Irish Catholics married what was deemed Catholics from Mexico and now they are Heinz all over Texas.  Most of us from the West are Heinz something, lack of breeding material at first and we couldn't afford to get all picky :)  I had to move to Alabama to be around people this white.  


    I am going (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:58:02 PM EST
    to have to tell my friends who are advocating for secession that all military personnel will be required to vacate the state immediately upon secession.

    Here ya go! (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:03:49 PM EST
    Online petition for Macy's to dump Trump (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:06:29 PM EST
    from their holiday ad campaign. Or else! Angelo Carusone, who directs online strategy for Media Matters, started an online petition to get Macy's to excise Trump from its celebrity-filled ad campaign. Otherwise, the 558,000 signatories are going to cut up their Macy's credit cards. Just in time for Black Friday. So far, Macy's says they're not budging on Trump. I'll wager a bet they fold like deck chairs just before midnight Friday (when Macy's doors open for Black Friday business) but that by then a whole lotta folks will have already gone snip-snip.

    Better to use your low-interest bank cards anyway. Macy's card is 24.99% interest...

    I saw (none / 0) (#57)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:56:40 PM EST
    this and was surprised that Macy's had not already gotten rid of him simply for PR reasons. He totally trashed any reputation that he had with the birther nonsense.

    If Macy's is more scare of Trump (none / 0) (#60)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:02:18 PM EST
    than of its own cardholders, it deserves what it gets. (But I still say all store charge cards are a rip-off and a bad idea for anyone trying to get out of debt.)

    Keeping up with the Petraeuses (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:55:34 AM EST
    I love it.  This is the most miserable Joneses scandal ever.

    And already this morning (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:08:31 AM EST
    In PT discussions, generals do things for socialites they wouldn't even do for their own soldiers because......most of the soldiers have the wrong plumbing

    Well played generals....well played....dummies

    Well, the wrong plumbing... (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:42:28 AM EST
    ...for SOME of them, certainly not all.

    The sad truth is a military environment, with an unwavering fealty to authority, will always engender this kind of thing. It is inevitable, and the only solution is a military remade into one that genuinely resembles and functions as no other. But this is American, we can't do great things.


    Sigh (none / 0) (#12)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:42:59 AM EST
    I know, I know....

    No, it is not unwavering fealty (none / 0) (#77)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:15:14 PM EST
    to authority that does this.   It is a sense of entitlement that does it.

    There are all kinds of people who cheat.



    Do you think it was a "military (none / 0) (#78)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 11:33:28 PM EST
    environment" that caused Spitzer, Bill or Cisneros to cheat?

    From what I have seen, lawyers are more likley to cheat than military officers.


    "Why Romney never saw it (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 12:50:05 PM EST


    Maybe Mitt (none / 0) (#17)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:03:56 PM EST
    and his campaign staff are not nearly as smart as they thought they were.    ;-)

    Love Song of the Late Blooming Fools (none / 0) (#23)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:43:07 PM EST
    In case you were wondering (none / 0) (#27)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 01:59:26 PM EST
    who on 'Law and Order' had the best conviction rate, wonder no more!

    Why can't I get paid to make charts like that?

    Very interesting (none / 0) (#32)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 02:51:19 PM EST
    My favorites on Law and Order were the characters Rey Curtis, Lennie Briscoe, and Ed Green, detectives, and Anita Van Buren, commander of the 27th Precinct Detective Squad.  I also really liked Law and Order: SVU,  especially Olivia Benson, Elliot Stabler, and Fin Tutuola.
    Have you ever watched Law and Order: UK?  I have seen a few episodes.  It's pretty good, but what freaked me out about it was the detectives constantly going to the CCTV cameras which are ubiquitous in London, in particular.  While I realize that such constant surveillance may occasionally help the police, I really, really hate the idea of Big Brother watching everyone, all the time.  And, in fact, the cameras may not even help the police all that much, according to the BBC.  Link.

    Thank God (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 04:04:46 PM EST
    MacDill has suspended Kelley's Friends of MacDill pass that allows her speedy entry into the gate anytime she wants.

    At lunch I mentioned that it may be possible that the Kelley's Cancer Foundation is kind of a sham and mostly a means of self promotion.  My poor spouse groaned almost painfully and asked when the bleeding stops, is this the rabbit hole or what?

    Oh, poor, poor Jill (none / 0) (#56)
    by Zorba on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:53:43 PM EST
    Jill Kelley has lost VIP privileges at MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, Florida, without an escort.  On wonders why she had such access in the first place.  Link.  

    GA State GOP gone bonkers (none / 0) (#59)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 05:58:35 PM EST
    Several state senators in the Georgia GOP attended a meeting in which government mind control and the UN's program to turn us all into a one-world-government-collective were discussed.

    Very specifically, Searcy cited public/private partnerships, like the one that will be building extra lanes up I-75 and I-547, and the trend toward regional government, as unsuccessfully attempted in this summer's TSPLOST vote, as evidence of the conspiracy.

    "Our own governments are doing this. Our own local city councils and county commissions - they're doing this," Searcy says on the video. He referred to Agenda 21 a "conspiracy to transform America from the land of the free, to the land of the collective."

    Searcy declared Agenda 21 was being pushed through a form of brain-washing:

    "The Delphi technique was developed by the Rand Corporation during the Cold War as a mind-control technique. It's also known as `consensive process.' But basically the goal of the Delphi technique is to lead is to lead a targeted group of people to a pre-determined outcome....."

    Oh, for Gawd's sake. These people make our (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:12:23 PM EST
    Texas idiots look smart.

    But not to be outdone by TX and GA... (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:25:04 PM EST
    We must note the equally insane minds at work in Wisconsin:

    Rep. Chris Kapenga (R-Delafield) is one of the nine from Wisconsin who told the Campaign for Liberty he would back legislation to declare Obamacare illegal and allow police to arrest federal officials who take steps to implement it in Wisconsin. He said he believes the health care law is unconstitutional, despite the U.S. Supreme Court's ruling that it passes constitutional muster.

    "Just because Obama was re-elected does not mean he's above the constitution," Kapenga said.



    While I don't worry much about the UN (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:19:25 PM EST
    taking over or Agenda 21, I do think these public-private partnerships are generally a bad deal for the taxpayers. We, the taxpayers, get all the risk, and the private investors get all the $$$. These are such a bad deal.  

    And who decided it was a good thing for private investors to own our infrastructure?

    Other than that, though, i doubt Mr./Ms. Searcy and I have much in common.


    No doubt, you'd appreciate ... (none / 0) (#67)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 06:47:33 PM EST
    ... former Seattle P-I cartoonist David Horsey's take on the current state of the GOP.

    That cartoon is hilarious (none / 0) (#76)
    by shoephone on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 09:06:03 PM EST
    And it does perfectly parallel the Georgia news story.

    those Agenda 21 people (none / 0) (#74)
    by desmoinesdem on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:56:49 PM EST
    show up in the most bizarre places--like at public meetings to discuss rural water projects in Iowa. They see a grand UN conspiracy everywhere.

    Gaza (none / 0) (#75)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 14, 2012 at 08:58:36 PM EST
    As is always the case, history is shaped by when you start the clock. In the last several days, US media accounts have reported increasing violence on the Gaza-Israel border, most of them beginning with a Palestinian attack on Israeli soldiers on Thursday, November 8. What happened before that Palestinian attack?

    For starters, the soldiers, part of an Israeli Defense Forces (IDF) squad that included four tanks and a bulldozer, were inside the Gaza Strip. According to the IDF spokeswoman, Palestinians fired at "soldiers while they were performing routine activity adjacent to the security fence." Really. What kind of activities inside the supposedly not-occupied Gaza Strip, by a group of armed soldiers, tanks and a bulldozer (almost certainly an armored Caterpillar D-9 bulldozer manufactured in the United States and paid for with US taxpayer military aid to Israel), could possibly be defined as anything close to "routine"? Unlike the illegal Palestinian rockets fired against civilian targets inside Israel, using force to resist an illegal military force in the context of a belligerent military occupation is lawful under international law.

    Later that day, an 11-year-old child was killed. Israel was "investigating the boy's death." Not many US media outlets reported that within the next seventy-two hours the Gaza-based Palestinian Center for Human Rights documented five more Palestinians killed, including three children, and fifty-two other civilians, including six women and twelve children, wounded in Israeli airstrikes. Four of the deaths and thirty-eight injuries resulted from a single Israeli attack on a football playground in a neighborhood east of Gaza city. Twelve Israelis, four of them soldiers, were injured by Palestinian rockets fired into Israel.

    The Nation, Nov 14


    Nov 14 (Reuters) - U.S. President Barack Obama spoke to Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu and Egyptian President Mohamed Mursi on Wednesday and reiterated U.S. support for Israel's right to self-defense in light of rocket attacks from Gaza, the White House said.

    The President of the United States is a terrorist.

    As is the Israeli Prime Minister.

    Hey there (none / 0) (#83)
    by sj on Thu Nov 15, 2012 at 09:04:04 AM EST
    Good to see you.