David Petraeus: Another Woman in the Mix

The David Petraeus story grows: An undisclosed woman started the FBI investigation when she reported getting threatening emails which came from David Petraeus' e-mail account. The e-mails had been sent by Paula Broadwell from Petraus' G-Mail (not CIA) account, reportedly because she thought the woman was getting to close to Petraeus. Woman #2 is neither a family member or government employee.

If this is all about jealousy, the Gin Blossoms could be the official band for Petraeus and Broadwell: Found Out About You; Follow You Down and Till I Hear it From You. They are playing Monday night in Denver (Lakewood) at The Grizzly Rock -- and free admission and no cover.

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    This is getting (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Zorba on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:10:32 PM EST
    more and more tawdry.  Ugh.

    "Ugh" is right. And I think it's (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Anne on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:29:28 PM EST
    just going to get worse.

    And I'm pretty sure there's going to be an effort to make Paula Broadwell "the crazy woman who preyed on poor David Petraeus."

    And can I just say that I'm so completely over these people who profess deep sorrow and remorse for the pain they've caused - after they get caught.  Somewhere I read that there are e-mails from Petraeus to Broadwell begging her to get back together with him, so I'd have to say that, absent being caught, remorse and sorrow weren't even in the picture.

    I'm sorry, I just don't have much respect for people who do this kind of thing; no, it's none of my business, but thanks to the media, there's no escape from it.


    If Broadwell hacked P's gmail account to (none / 0) (#13)
    by DFLer on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:22:43 PM EST
     "threaten the other woman", who's to say SHE didn't write (hacked) emails (to herself) where Petraeus was allegedly begging Broadwell to get back together? Eh?

    Yes my mind is twisted!


    Grow up (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by koshembos on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:22:58 PM EST
    Petraeus was considered a great military talent who invented a successful way to fight insurgency. Like a lot of information we are sold by the media, that is wrong. Many preceded Petraeus in theory and practice of fighting insurgencies. Nevertheless, he is a significantly leader and an extra marital affair is not a good enough reason for him to resign. Grow up, it's like a speeding ticket (at least in frequency).

    Sounds like you're in the group (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by Anne on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:34:46 PM EST
    Glenn Greenwald writes about, here:

    Second, it is truly remarkable what ends people's careers in Washington - and what does not end them. As Hastings detailed in that interview, Petraeus has left a string of failures and even scandals behind him: a disastrous Iraqi training program, a worsening of the war in Afghanistan since he ran it, the attempt to convert the CIA into principally a para-military force, the series of misleading statements about the Benghazi attack and the revealed large CIA presence in Libya. To that one could add the constant killing of innocent people in the Muslim world without a whiff of due process, transparency or oversight.

    Yet none of those issues provokes the slightest concern from our intrepid press corps. His career and reputation could never be damaged, let alone ended, by any of that. Instead, it takes a sex scandal - a revelation that he had carried on a perfectly legal extramarital affair - to force him from power. That is the warped world of Washington. Of all the heinous things the CIA does, the only one that seems to attract the notice or concern of our media is a banal sex scandal. Listening to media coverage, one would think an extramarital affair is the worst thing the CIA ever did, maybe even the only bad thing it ever did (Andrea Mitchell: "an agency that has many things to be proud about: many things to be proud about").

    Too bad the affair ended his career before he could add "Saint" to his list of titles, huh?


    Great piece by GG (none / 0) (#40)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:27:10 PM EST
    after a week in which I have been told by worried friends that the biggest threat to our democracy is food stamp fraud.

    Not so good at the CIA (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by kdm251 on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:36:41 PM EST
    I never thought he was much of a general and he hasn't been to good at the CIA.  Plus, I think this incident is going to turn out to be comically bad, including exaggerating running prowess.  Best he resigned and let grown ups take over the CIA

    Why don't you heed your own advice? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:09:38 PM EST
    He's no more all that, than was Gen. McChrystal. The troop surge that Gen. Petraeus oversaw in Iraq was hardly successful in defeating the insurgency; it merely bought us time to make arrangements for our orderly departure. To be fair, he was handed an impossible situation by the Bush administration.

    Quite frankly, Petraeus' conduct in this sorry matter was shockingly unbecoming for someone of his position and stature, and he showed exceptionally poor judgment in shacking up with a woman who (a) was married, and (b) apparently has emotional issues. He was right to resign, and President Obama was right to accept his letter of resignation.


    Why do I (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 08:12:25 PM EST
    know that I am going to be hearing more about all this than I ever wanted to know.

    Reminds me of the astronaut (none / 0) (#15)
    by oculus on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 11:27:52 PM EST
    love triangle.  

    Please don't tell me (none / 0) (#16)
    by Zorba on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 07:13:55 AM EST
    that any cross-country trips in diapers were involved in this one.   :-(

    There was no way he could continue (5.00 / 3) (#17)
    by scribe on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 09:23:20 AM EST
    because the investigation put his security clearance in jeopardy.  A fortiori, if she was in his gmail account, who knows where else she got access to and what secrets she should not have known about, she nonetheless knew about solely because of her status as official biographer and paramour.

    His conduct led to a counterintelligence nightmare and the only way to wake from it was for him to go.

    And . . . who else? (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Towanda on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 10:32:52 AM EST
    I find intriguing that many media reports are carefully quoting the wording of a source saying that the emails came from Broadwell "or somebody close to her."

    Her husband?  Doesn't make sense for him to threaten rivals for Petraeus' affection.

    And not someone else close to Petraeus, such as his wife, who is hardly "close" to Broadwell.

    So . . . who is this "somebody close to her"?  Who else does the FBI worry about as having access to Petraeus' gmail account -- which, of course, a good hacker could use to try to access his CIA account.  And/or if he gave or Broadwell somehow got access to his gmail account, does she also have means to try to access his CIA account?

    Yeh, he had to go.  But he will be kept busy for a while to come, with investigations that will have to continue to answer these questions -- and that, as this already has done, may only raise more questions.


    The fact that she had access to his email (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by shoephone on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:08:24 PM EST
    is a blunder of such major proportions it's hard to believe this highly intelligent wonder boy could have been so freaking stupid. And yet.

    Yeah- that is the unforgivable professional (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:19:00 PM EST
    blunder here. Just no excuse for it.

    a technically skilled person (none / 0) (#45)
    by desmoinesdem on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:57:49 PM EST
    can hack into other people's e-mail accounts. So it's possible that she obtained access without ever being "given" access.

    Implausible in this context. (none / 0) (#54)
    by scribe on Sat Nov 17, 2012 at 02:44:31 PM EST
    All she would have to have done to get access would have been, say, to promise some more under-desk playtime.

    Not a lot of (computer) technical prowess involved there.


    I don't know. (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 01:56:55 PM EST
    I'm just glad I enjoy popcorn so much.

    Associated Press - the other woman is Jill (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Angel on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:07:02 PM EST
    Kelley, a State Department official.


    Just ready to post this information (none / 0) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:16:00 PM EST
    when I noticed you had beat me to it.

    A senior U.S. military official identified the second woman Jill Kelley, 37, who lives in Tampa, Fla., and serves as the State Department's liaison to the military's Joint Special Operations Command, where among other duties, secret drone missions are worked on.
    A friend of Kelley and Petraeus, who also spoke on condition of anonymity, also said the two saw each other often, but the nature of their friendship was unclear.

    I tend to observe that the (none / 0) (#26)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:20:25 PM EST
    nature of a purely platonic friendship is generally pretty clear to to mutual friends of people.

    He is just very generous with his (5.00 / 5) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:28:22 PM EST
    time and enjoys mentoring and sharing his experience with young women.

    Whoops, I better watch out or I will be labeled a lefty hater.


    Hey (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:36:37 PM EST
    Rhetoric and conjecture are always more fun, just not always accurate.

    Very true (none / 0) (#44)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:51:19 PM EST
    I can see the mutual friends saying 'Well gees I thought they were just friends, but who the heck knows anymore?'

    More information and a picture of Kelley (none / 0) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:09:49 PM EST
    FWIW maybe more like government official speaking anonymously.

    A government official told the New York Post that the emails contained such language as: 'I know what you did,' 'back off' and 'stay away from my guy.' link

    Broadwell sounds like a total loon (none / 0) (#36)
    by shoephone on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 04:13:28 PM EST
    And I'm pretty sure the only woman who can legitimately refer to Wonder Boy as "my guy" is Mrs. Pretraeus. At least until the divorce is finalized.

    Holy heck, Kelley has a twin sister (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:49:12 PM EST
    I think they could have teamed up and taken care of Broadwell without the FBI.

    Your link isn't working, Angel. n/t (none / 0) (#27)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:22:14 PM EST
    Try it again Casey (none / 0) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:30:13 PM EST
    It worked just fine for me.

    Works fine for me, and did in preview mode. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Angel on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:34:41 PM EST
    It didn't work quite right for me either (none / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:57:53 PM EST
    It redirected me to another tinyurl and then that one worked.

    Kelley is not a State Dept. employee, according (none / 0) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:08:30 PM EST
    to the AP story Angel linked. She is an unpaid liaison to MacDill and has no official rank or position. Kelley and her husband are friends of Petraeus and his wife. If he was sleeping with Kelley, a friend of his wife's, Petraeus would be quite the jerk. I have not found any information that says he was sleeping with Kelley.

    A senior U.S. military official identified the second woman as Jill Kelley, 37, who lives in Tampa, Fla., and serves as an unpaid social liaison to MacDill Air Force Base in Tampa, where the military's Central Command and Special Operations Command are located.

    Staffers for Petraeus said Kelley and her husband were regular guests at events he held at Central Command headquarters. A U.S. official said the coalition countries represented at Central Command gave Kelley an appreciation certificate on which she was referred to as an "honorary ambassador" to the coalition, but she has no official status and is not employed by the U.S. government.

    Not what I'm reading (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:16:35 PM EST
    I'm reading that she is State Department liaison to JSOC.  That is a job with a security clearance way above almost everyone's pay grade.

    What are you reading, MT? Have a link? (none / 0) (#51)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:18:21 PM EST
    The AP seems pretty sure Kelley is unofficial. Of course, the AP has been wrong before.

    All over (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:25:56 PM EST
    Here's LA Times, JSOC is who directs SOCOM.  They are the people who tell SEALs what they are going to do.

    LA Times


    This NY Times story says nothing about (none / 0) (#52)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:24:06 PM EST
    Kelley being a State Depart. employee. It describes her active in community work in Tampa. According to the Times Kelley is

    "a very well-known person of influence in the Tampa community," active in community organizations that support military causes, according to the friend.

    She could be in trouble for hacking the email (none / 0) (#1)
    by Angel on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 05:02:01 PM EST
    account, impersonation, and harassment/threatening actions.  Wow.  

    Any guesses on how long it will take for (none / 0) (#7)
    by MO Blue on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:29:08 PM EST
    the other, other woman to be identified?

    Seems like Broadwell's name surfaced rather quickly.

    Took longer than I (none / 0) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:17:03 PM EST
    originally thought it would.

    Jill Kelley (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:19:05 PM EST
    So it was another government employee (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 03:33:27 PM EST
    Am I reading this right?  Jill Kelley is State Department military liaison in the beating heart of JSOC?  If so he has reason to see her often professionally.  Is he a doctor wife collector though?  Jill Kelley must really be something to upset Paula.  David Petraeus the chick magnet, who knew :)?

    Considering who Jill Kelley is, no wonder they freaked that Petraeus' email may have been hacked.


    Why is the CIA director doing the (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:17:32 PM EST
    Military liaison'ing with the state department? CIA is still a civilial agency last time I checked.

    One of the reasons I hated him going to CIA, no matter what his talents.


    She worked with CENTCOM ... (none / 0) (#42)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:39:04 PM EST
    ... out of Tampa, FL. That's where she probably met the general. Even though they were friendly, There is no evidence whatsoever that they were involved.

    Doesn't JSOC run the whole (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:13:02 PM EST
    drone thing stateside?  JSOC defines SOCOM doctrine and SOCOM works so directly with the CIA these days.. Who in their right mind sends threatening emails to anyone who works with/for/around/near JSOC though?  Broadwell deployed with SOCOM once, she had to know that this was going to come out exactly like it is.  She had to know that threatening anyone in Kelley's position was going to start some kind of a giant $hit$torm.  I used to think Broadwell was intelligent, but maybe she's just crazy.

    No, Kelley is not a State Depart. employee. (none / 0) (#47)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:11:43 PM EST
    She is an unofficial liaison to MacDill AFB. She has no official position. She and her husband are friends with Petraeus and his wife Holly.

    Social liaison. (none / 0) (#49)
    by caseyOR on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 06:15:07 PM EST
    Kelley is an unofficial social liaison to MacDill. So, she what? arranges cocktail parties with civilians and MacDill personnel? organizes the Christmas party? coordinates a program where civilian families in Tampa invite MacDill personnel over for Sunday dinner?

    Grizzly Rock... (none / 0) (#8)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 06:51:16 PM EST
    not the Grizzly Rose, which is the country bar off I-70 up North.  

    thanks fixed (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:17:20 PM EST
    I didn't even know there was a place called Grizzly Rock.

    I didn't either... (none / 0) (#11)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 07:31:00 PM EST
    until I clicked on the link.  Still trying to figure out what it might have been before...

    You got me wondering (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:32:41 PM EST
    " If this address sounds familiar to any of you rockers bangin' yer heads back in the late eighties or early nineties it should. Grizzly Rock will be located in the old After The Gold Rush building. For those of you that remember "the Goldrush" in it's glory days, you'll no doubt remember how fun it was, and I'm sure you'll want to see how different, or how much the same the place is when Grizzly Rock opens.'"

    Before my time in Denver, but you might remember it!


    Love the Gin Blossoms! (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dr Molly on Sat Nov 10, 2012 at 09:00:35 PM EST

    I have a horrible mind (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 11:29:45 AM EST
    But I don't see David Petraeus having two affairs, he can only handle the affair with his female twin and that probably requires some Viagra.  It is well known that he loves the company of intelligent people, my bet is the second woman is a student some place probably studying intelligence and counterintelligence.

    David Petraeus collects associations with intelligent people though like some people collect stamps.  And the woman who felt so threatened that she contacted the FBI wasn't the only person who received strange bizarre threatening emails from Broadwell.  I think Broadwell went back through specific old emails from Petraeus about studies and research and began threatening those who were affiliated with him in that fashion by seeing who he copied on the emails she had received from him.

    My other guess is that this woman may also be an author or journalist that was interested in telling a Petraeus story.  He closed himself off from most everyone of that ilk other than Paula....who he felt he could trust and OOPS.

    I think Petraeus may have (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Anne on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 05:24:13 PM EST
    overestimated both his and Broadwell's intelligence, because what they were doing was just so colossally stupid it defies understanding.

    I guess it wasn't enough that he had a smart, highly intelligent wife, though.



    I love the songs on (none / 0) (#21)
    by sj on Sun Nov 11, 2012 at 02:03:11 PM EST
    the Gin Blossoms "New Miserable Experience" album but I can't listen to it all the way through.  Eventually that snare drum starts to dominate my auditory experience and I have to switch to something else.  I didn't know they recorded more after the death of their original singer/songwriter but I just checked them out on iTunes and it sounds promising.

    My laptop has the worst speakers so I don't know if it has the snare drum problem...