Sunday Afternoon Open Thread: Dylan Storm Songs

By Jeralyn, Section Huricanes Katrina and Rita
Posted on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 02:47:34 PM EST
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Here's the same performance with better video but not as clear audio. Here's a Dylan/Rolling Thunder version from Norway, 2011. And an audio only version from the Live at Budokan album. [More...]

And one of Manhattan during Hurricane Irene:

Shelter from the Storm - Hurricane Irene New York City

Moving on:

It's a Hard Rain's Gonna Fall (Concert for Bangladash) and of course, Blowing in the Wind (with Joan Baez)

And while it's not about a hurricane, but the wrongfully convicted Ruben Carter, here's Bob Dylan's Hurricane. A version with the story here.

A non-Dylan song I always think of during hurricanes: Zachary Richard's, Come on Sheila from Snake Bite Love (background here.)

How short-sighted are artists, Hollywood and the recording industry, that they restrict the posting of videos of past live performances? In most cases, the artist isn't selling videos of these performances, so what is it costing them? Don't they realize that everyone watching and enjoying a past concert performance on You Tube is a potential buyer of albums the artist is selling? And that a viewer who likes a past live performance is more likely to buy the artist's current work, or the album with the song featured in the concert video?

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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The media needs a horse race (5.00 / 1) (#19)
by CoralGables on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 07:53:58 PM EST

narrative to drive traffic, but today's numbers continue the trend since the final debate and all the movement has been back to Obama. He's still looking at 303 EV with Romney either static or losing losing ground in every close state the last 7 days.

The RCP average is closer in Florida than it is in either Ohio or Wisconsin. It was a lost week for Romney and he's running out of time.

From what I'm reading this morning (5.00 / 1) (#26)
by Militarytracy on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:36:42 AM EST

Yacking Republican pundit heads ticked at Nate Silver because he is destroying the momentum and horse race narrative.


: The GOP pushback against Nate (5.00 / 3) (#27)
by CoralGables on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 09:02:29 AM EST

is pretty humorous. Republicans hate factual evidence. Something you will likely see soon is a poll out of Ohio showing Romney with a lead.
Why?
Late last week Nate said only one time in the last three presidential elections (that's 1 out of 150) has a candidate won a state without having at least one poll showing him in the lead. The only way to shut Nate up on this is pay a polling outfit to give Romney a lead one time.
They will try to create their momentum in Ohio meme that way since their Intrade momentum headline attempt after the last debate was quickly reversed.
Just the fact that Nate Silver is known by just one name, "Nate", in political and media circles is the GOP's worst nightmare.

Racketeering (5.00 / 1) (#30)
by Edger on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 08:22:53 PM EST

Spire Law Group, LLP's national home owners' lawsuit, pending in the venue where the "Banksters" control their $43 trillion racketeering scheme (New York) - known as the largest money laundering and racketeering lawsuit in United States History and identifying $43 trillion ($43,000,000,000,000.00) of laundered money by the "Banksters" and their U.S. racketeering partners and joint venturers - now pinpoints the identities of the key racketeering partners of the "Banksters" located in the highest offices of government and acting for their own self-interests.
In connection with the federal lawsuit now impending in the United States District Court in Brooklyn, New York (Case No. 12-cv-04269-JBW-RML) - involving, among other things, a request that the District Court enjoin all mortgage foreclosures by the Banksters nationwide, unless and until the entire $43 trillion is repaid to a court-appointed receiver - Plaintiffs now establish the location of the $43 trillion ($43,000,000,000,000.00) of laundered money in a racketeering enterprise participated in by the following individuals (without limitation): Attorney General Holder acting in his individual capacity, Assistant Attorney General Tony West, the brother in law of Defendant California Attorney General Kamala Harris (both acting in their individual capacities), Jon Corzine (former New Jersey Governor), Robert Rubin (former Treasury Secretary and Bankster), Timothy Geitner, Treasury Secretary (acting in his individual capacity), Vikram Pandit (recently resigned and disgraced Chairman of the Board of Citigroup), Valerie Jarrett (a Senior White House Advisor), Anita Dunn (a former "communications director" for the Obama Administration), Robert Bauer (husband of Anita Dunn and Chief Legal Counsel for the Obama Re-election Campaign), as well as the "Banksters" themselves, and their affiliates and conduits. The lawsuit alleges serial violations of the United States Patriot Act, the Policy of Embargo Against Iran and Countries Hostile to the Foreign Policy of the United States, and the Racketeer Influenced and Corrupt Organizations Act (commonly known as the RICO statute) and other State and Federal laws...

MORE: Spire Law Groups Racketeering and Money Laundering Lawsuit Seeks Return of $43 Trillion to the United States Treasury

Ohio governor laying the groundwork for (none / 0) (#1)
by Angel on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 02:54:01 PM EST

stealing the election from Obama? Just read that he said on Meet the Press that he is certain Romney will win Ohio. Every poll shows Obama ahead by 4 points and Romney has never been ahead in Ohio.

A bit of an exageration ... (none / 0) (#2)
by Robot Porter on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 03:09:39 PM EST

I saw the appearance. He didn't say that initially. Gregory kept pushing him. And he finally said it sort of under his breath. Didn't look conspiratorial. And I'm a tinfoil hatter from way back.

And, though it's true no poll has shown Romney ahead in Ohio, there have been a number of polls that show it closer than 4 points. Several in the last week put Obama's lead at 2 points. And one released today had them tied at 49/49. And there was another one showimg a tie earlier in the week.

Never good to be that close anywhere when the national trend is moving away from you.


Reputable polls. Romney has not led in any (none / 0) (#3)
by Angel on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 03:18:47 PM EST

reputable poll in Ohio. Check out 538 and all of Nate Silvers posts.


: I NEVER said Romney led ... (none / 0) (#5)
by Robot Porter on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 03:30:42 PM EST

read my post again. YOU said all Polls had Obama ahead by 4 points in Ohio. And that's not true.

His quote is in First Read on MSNCB. I'd give the (none / 0) (#4)
by Angel on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 03:22:33 PM EST

link but I am using an iPad. He said their internal polls put them ahead. What a crock.


I saw no Mason Hand Signs ... (none / 0) (#6)
by Robot Porter on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 03:33:02 PM EST

just a partisan being a partisan.


: Yawn. (none / 0) (#18)
by Angel on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 07:21:29 PM EST

Ohio News Organization poll (none / 0) (#7)
by Towanda on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:00:26 PM EST

now out, and relatives there say it's a reliable outfit, shows a tie. Yikes.

Does anyone know more about this outfit and poll? Sometimes, the local polls are cr*p, but sometimes, they're better than polling by national drive-bys who don't know the game down on the ground.

And Minnesota now is narrowing and a toss-up? C'mon. Some of that news seems based on Obama (but Romney followed) making big tv ad buys in the Twin Cities. Well, duh, tv markets do not follow state borders, and that's the way to reach a wide swath of western Wisconsinites.

They're a worrisome group, of course, as they're Vikings fans so are not to be trusted.


The poll they are pushing (5.00 / 1) (#9)
by CoralGables on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:35:22 PM EST

is five days old. There have been three new ones since then that all have Obama in the lead in Ohio.


: I caught that later; thanks (none / 0) (#17)
by Towanda on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 07:14:27 PM EST

and that's telling about the organization, isn't it?

Here you go (none / 0) (#13)
by CoralGables on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 05:20:50 PM EST

New Ohio poll just released 5 minutes ago by PPP:
Obama +4 51-47

Their poll 8 days ago had Obama at +1 at 49-48


Bless you, J (none / 0) (#8)
by Dadler on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:14:11 PM EST

A better, more lyrically beautiful Dylan song, or ANY song for that matter, you'd be hard pressed to locate on this little pill in the universe we inhabit. Peace, my fellow TL peeps.

: I'm talking Shelter From The Storm (none / 0) (#12)
by Dadler on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:56:53 PM EST

But Idiot Wind is certainly no slouch either.

Was just told that we are under a mandatory (none / 0) (#10)
by vml68 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:44:52 PM EST

evacuation order. I am choosing to stay put. My closest relatives are in SC and all my best friends are in OH. I am not about to start driving to either place right now.
I don't want to go to a shelter because I have two dogs and one of them has a broken leg. We just spent 5k on surgery for him and he is not allowed to walk more than a few feet for the next few weeks. He is too heavy for me to carry around and I am not about to jeopardize his leg/health by draging him to some unfamiliar place where I may not be able to keep him calm and confined.
I am really hoping this does not turn out to be as bad as they are predicting, for myself and for everyoneelse who is in the storm's path.

I hope staying put, not evacuating, works (5.00 / 2) (#14)
by caseyOR on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 06:17:48 PM EST

out okay for you, vml. Do you have a second floor to your house or an attic that you can scramble up to if the floods hit your neighborhood?

Staying put seems like a dangerous choice. So, please, update us as soon as you can so that we know if you come through the storm in okay shape.


Identifying yourself for rescue workers. (5.00 / 1) (#15)
by caseyOR on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 06:23:23 PM EST

I was reading at another site about why people should evacuate. It is pretty compelling.

The info did say that if you refuse to evacuate, you should write your name and social security number on your arm in permanent marker. That way, if you don't survive, rescue workers can easily identify your body.

I am not telling you this to be a smart-@ss. I honestly believe it is a good thing to do. One of the lessons learned from Katrina is how hard it can be to identify bodies, and what a strain it is on families to not know what happened to a loved one.

I so hope you come out of this okay.


Casey, I know you are not being a smart-ass. (none / 0) (#16)
by vml68 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 06:47:48 PM EST

It makes sense to write your name and SSN on your body, but I would probably do it on my torso since there is always the possibilty of losing an arm.

I am taking the risk of staying home because my apartment is on the second floor and we are pretty high off the ground. So I feel pretty safe from flooding issues. On the extremely low probability of our apartment getting flooded, I will head up to one of the higher floors and camp out there. Also, our building is very solidly built and with the winds expected to be 75+mph, I feel more secure here than in a structure I am unfamiliar with. If I had even the slightest concern about either issue, I would leave. I would not risk our lives for my pup's leg, as sh!tty as that sounds.


Have you secured your windows? (5.00 / 2) (#21)
by nycstray on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 08:57:45 PM EST

That would be my main concern, along with falling trees/powerlines.

All my best to you and the pups! Stay safe! And have some buckets handy in case the roof leaks! ;)


I was thinking of you today.... (none / 0) (#22)
by vml68 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 10:51:43 PM EST

and how happy you must be to not have to deal with this...:-)
Windows are all secured and we have underground utilities so no powerlines close enough to the building to be an issue.

BTW, I had a bizarre dream a week ago that I was being assaulted in a park in the early morning hours and the whole time, I kept telling myself that if I could just fight a little while longer you would be out walking Ms Dot and the two of you would come to my rescue. And then the two of you came walking by and Dot ran to me but you called her back and you told her that I was a big girl and could handle myself without any help!!


: I would NEVER do that!!! (none / 0) (#29)
by nycstray on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 01:13:45 PM EST

And if I did, Ms Dot would have ignored me. She took her duty to protect against creeps on the street seriously :) She didn't do it often, but she was always right when she would step in front of me, freeze and let out a scary LOW growl, hackles and all.
Part of me wishes I was there. Weird, I know, but I've always been fascinated by weather events. Perhaps it's the California girl in me that grew up without them, well aside from floods, mudslides, earthquakes and wildfires, lol!~
Roxy! sends healing wishes to your pup. She can't imagine having to stay clam and not being able to run like crazy!

where are you? (5.00 / 2) (#20)
by womanwarrior on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 08:26:53 PM EST

Hope it turns out to be safe for you and your beloved dogs.


: I am in NJ. (none / 0) (#23)
by vml68 on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 10:53:25 PM EST

Thanks for the good wishes.

Make sure you're stocked up. (none / 0) (#24)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 11:39:07 PM EST

You've made your decision. At this point, your biggest concern should be what happens in the storm's wake, i.e., are you and yours fully prepared to live for 48-96 hours -- or even more, perhaps -- without power and / or water?


Be sure and fill all bathtubs as a precaution (none / 0) (#28)
by easilydistracted on Mon Oct 29, 2012 at 09:45:02 AM EST

You could lose water pressure over the next several days.


Best electoral map I've seen so far (none / 0) (#11)
by Dadler on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 04:50:44 PM EST

Hat tip to my old Pringle Palace roomie Tony The Nose. (link)

: David Horsey's great, isn't he? (none / 0) (#25)
by Donald from Hawaii on Sun Oct 28, 2012 at 11:47:57 PM EST

The Pulitzer Prize-winning cartoonist moved to the Los Angeles Times sometime last year, after a lengthy and distinguished tenure at the Seattle Post-Intelligencer. He calls 'em as he sees 'em, doesn't pull his punches, and doesn't care about partisan criticism from the right.