Thursday Night Open Thread: The Ties That Bind

Staying with today's theme.....an open thread, all topics welcome. (h/t to Ruffian.)

Update: President Obama is on the Daily Show tonight. Among the topics: Libya.

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    DId any of you hear the NPR segment (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:14:05 PM EST
    today on BBC conducting a roundtable in a barn in NE Ohio.  Most of the farmers, who sd. fed. price-control is essential to them, will vote for Romney because they don't people should just sit back and rely on the government.  

    Benefits for me (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:18:22 PM EST
    but not for thee

    GOP to English translation: (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:05:51 PM EST
    When the benefits are for me, it's either an entitlement I've earned, or an absolutely essential component of the U.S. economy.

    But when they're going to you and all those "others," then it's a government handout we simply can't afford.

    And while we're at it, the federal government should keep its dirty hands off my Social Security and Medicare.

    See how easy it is to be a Republican voter nowadays ...?


    Cognitive dissonance. (none / 0) (#61)
    by Farmboy on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:07:39 AM EST
    It's not just for breakfast anymore.

    Oops. Not price controls. Crop insurance. (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:54:13 PM EST
    totally different then (none / 0) (#135)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 07:37:03 AM EST
    lol, however I am sure they plan to use their medicare and Social security.

    Link: (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:28:13 PM EST
    Bruuuuce!!!!!! (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:36:07 PM EST
    Let's hope it's a good one in Denver n November J.

    Thank you BTD, (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:49:06 AM EST
    I hope it's not a secret that you got me tickets!

    It's not now! (none / 0) (#53)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:11:17 AM EST
    That's fantastic.  Cheers to you both!

    Here are a couple of clips (none / 0) (#58)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 08:35:19 AM EST
    from yesterday's rally in Ames from today's DM Register.

    Clip 1

    Clip 2


    Wasn't fisihing (none / 0) (#78)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:03:32 AM EST
    Just saw the clip and that thought popped in my head.

    Very cool! I am going too Jeralyn! (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:20:54 AM EST
    Your Fox News Blonde Quote of the Day: (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:39:47 PM EST
    "Declaring something an act of terror does not necessarily mean you are declaring it a terror attack."
    - Megyn Kelly, Fox News (October 18, 2012)

    Where's my bong when I really need it?

    i think Megyn Kelly has it. h/t (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:43:41 PM EST
    Well, I think she's had enough. (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:57:09 PM EST

    "We are the ones we've been (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:13:39 PM EST
    waiting for."



    still one of the dumbest lines (none / 0) (#137)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 07:41:39 AM EST
    ever written.  

    Blonde? (none / 0) (#136)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 07:38:39 AM EST
    and that has what to do with what?

    I couldn't resist posting this on my Facebook (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:14:34 AM EST
    and I can't resist posting it here, either.  You want to talk responsiveness to a disaster?  How about this video 5 days after Katrina.  Does "Heckuva job Brownie" make it any better?  New Orleans isn't even an ocean away...though I suppose demographically it's a world's away from the Republican binder world... CNN interview with Brown on Youtube.

    Count me clocked out (5.00 / 3) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 08:35:28 AM EST
    What the hell to think about some people?  My son's physical therapist is a kind man.  He cares about my son a lot it seems.  His daughter has gone through school with him since kindergarten but he was born and raised here.

    I have concerns about a teacher, I'm not sure how serious they are.  Algebra is difficult, she seems to not be the best lecturer on the subject.  I had a similar Algebra instructor in the beginning, some students got it and some did not.  When my daughter took the course and struggled a bit I bought a DVD at Barnes and Noble to "help" and it was a little jaw dropping.  The lecturer was so good that I found myself watching it with her, realized that every beginning Algebra student needed this DVD...and 7 years later we can't find it.  How did I lose that?  What a dummy

    But my son's PT therapist attributes my concerns to the color of the teachers skin.  Funny, the teacher I had initial difficulties understanding was white and male.  It was a horrible conversation where he also said that because the schools black principal had now been replaced with a white one that in a few years he would have that school straightened out.

    I don't know what to make of any of it.  The social disparity where I live can never be addressed when adults my age have been raised to approach issues dressed in these sheets.

    Then he asked me what my husband thought about President Obama taking full credit for killing Osama bin Laden and even though I felt catatonic in a sort of shock I told him sort of softly that my husband didn't think President Obama took full credit for Bin Laden.  I softly added that my husband thought President Obama was a good Commander, because he does.  I probably downplayed what sort of Commander my husband feels like President Obama is because I didn't want anyone to set my house on fire in the middle of the night.  I just don't know what to think, or how people here think they can say such things with such vigor and confidence.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:50:48 AM EST
    I would have serious issues with using that P/T.  OTOH, I find myself in a (sort of) similar situation with the Boy Scouts.  I was a Cub/Boy Scout when I was young and really enjoyed it.  I've been a leader for my older son's den/troop for the past 11 years, and now I'm looking at another 10-11 years with my youngest son.  But I have serious issues supporting an organization that discriminates against gays, even if it's not an issue in our local troop.  I think they'll be forced to change at some point, but in the meantime ...

    Not easy.


    I just spoke to my spouse about (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 10:30:26 AM EST
    it at length.  He makes me feel stronger and less afraid.  I do begin to feel afraid of some people here at times.  I feel like I must be the change when I don't feel so alone.  We have been gifted a very decent income to live here, and with my spouse at my side I can be strong enough to be the change.  At least today it feels that way.

    Or can move away from here, breathe a sigh of relief, and the same old shit will go on without anybody demonstrating strength and will to grow and go beyond.

    It's a horrible shame though that this sort of racial strife still exists when we have had so many opportunities to get beyond it.


    My youngest (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:19:32 AM EST
    son was in scouts and he loved it. I kind of wish he was still doing it but when this latest anti-gay ruling came down from the top, my husband just said enough is enough.

    I understand (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:17:48 AM EST
    completely. being in Metro Atlanta a lot of this stuff is not as "out in the open" as it is in some of the smaller towns. I have family that says crap like this. Some of the them are old like in their 70's so I kind of tend to just ignore them and tell myself well, they are old. But I also hear this crap from people my age and younger. That is the most disheartening because at least the older people have the excuse of being brought up with the wrong value but most people my age KNOW BETTER. And the fact that they KNOW BETTER and CHOOSE to be racist just bugs me to no end.

    And another thing I'm sure you've experienced and it looks like this might be the situation you've described and it is that since you are white they assume that you think the same way they do and so the start saying that crap. You handled the situation the best way you could. Some of this hatred is just so ingrained that you are not going to be able to change most people's minds but sometimes all you need to do is plant a seed.


    Prejudiced comments and age (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by the capstan on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:01:06 PM EST
    Old age is not an excuse for ignorance, poor manners, and outright stubbornness.  My sister just had birthday number 92--and I hit what my kids are calling 'the big 80' next week.  Some of us old people were the ones who fought against the 'crap.'  And just walking in the park or in what might laughingly be called the 'downtown' of this college town, I see the results.  (I am sure I have written more specifically about the change in race relations since 1965.)

    If someone were to assume I shared that prejudice, I'd let them know pretty quick that I LIKE the change--and worked for it, too.  And if I get emails which assume I enjoy their sort of jokes, I let them know otherwise.  Yes, I am pretty prickly--but I reckon I have earned that right.

    MT, I see your dilemma with those who work with Josh; I would (and have) felt the same.  But I, so far, have never found that a polite word to let someone know I have a different opinion has led to any sort of retaliation.


    You (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:31:49 PM EST
    are right but sometimes you just get to the point where you're not changing their mind, they think they are 100 percent right no matter what you say and it creates a big scene with the family over nothing. The way I basically think about it is that you're kind of stuck. It's easier to point this stuff out with acquaintances and friends than with family at least for me.

    With those family members who ... (none / 0) (#108)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 04:59:51 PM EST
    ... apparently enjoy taking delight in making others uncomfortable by imposing their political views upon their relatives, you should have no hesitation about returning the favor. After all, you have every right to express your opinion, certainly just as much as they do.

    but if you desire to avoid the embarrassment of confrontation in front of other family members, for whatever reason, then you can do what I do. Pull the offending party aside privately, tell him or her in a firm tone of voice that (1) you refuse to get drawn into a pointless political argument at a family gathering when the differences are so obviously irreconcilable, and (2) they would please cease and desist either baiting you or baiting others in your presence. That actually works for me 90%-plus of the time.

    Another alternative is to simply stop showing up at family gatherings, and when someone inevitably inquires as to why you weren't there, mince no words in describing how uncomfortable you are around those members of the family who deliberately decline to leave their politics at the front door. Because if they really want you there in the future, then they'll say or do something to muzzle the offending party themselves.



    Yes, I usually (none / 0) (#116)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 06:34:01 PM EST
    do the pull aside thing you are suggesting and we don't discuss poitics with this particular group. My father found out one of them was a Holocaust denier and tried to tell him he was wrong and got nowhere. So that kind of tells you the mindset we are dealing with and why discussing this kind of stuff just goes nowhere fast.

    I've occasionally been the recipient of (5.00 / 1) (#105)
    by Anne on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:43:41 PM EST
    these kinds of so-called "jokes" via e-mail, and what I've done is just e-mail the sender back with, "please don't send me any more jokes like this; it's not just that they aren't funny, it's that they perpetuate offensive stereotypes we really should be making more of an effort to reject. Thanks for understanding."

    It works - generally, I get no more jokes of any kind from these people, and that's okay - my feelings aren't hurt by it - it just means a lot less clutter in the In Box!  I really don't care if they want to think I'm stuck up or too sensitive or whatever it is they tell themselves.


    you were raised right (none / 0) (#139)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 06:02:31 PM EST
    not everyone has that luxury.  I like to think I was raised right.  But I don't get to take credit for that.  I am just grateful. So I try to cut other people some slack when I know they had lousy role models as kids or were so beaten up they learned to put up walls to protect themselves or learned to look down on others so that they can feel better than someone.  It's not nice, but it is human.

    Makes me cry reading your words (none / 0) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:28:16 AM EST
    You really do experience it here as I do.  So many care about Joshua too, he brings all sorts of people together on the same field. And he has to live each day fully because he knows he isn't guaranteed anything.  None of us are though, he is only more often reminded of our earthly demise.

    When I think about it all in those terms, if this is all we might really have or get...how can we fail each other this badly?


    I have also gone through (none / 0) (#122)
    by Amiss on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:19:49 PM EST
    and have similar situations. So much so I just had to move from the town where I was raised. Muuch of the south is like that but its hard to explain why.

    Getting the best care for you son (none / 0) (#86)
    by vicndabx on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:56:19 AM EST
    is the first priority, IMO.  

    Worry about saving the world later.


    geez.....*your (none / 0) (#87)
    by vicndabx on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:56:42 AM EST
    As a Wisconsin Yankee... (none / 0) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:02:07 PM EST
    ...who moved to Texas, I ran into he same shock, and for me without kids, the problem was work.  A coworker would swipe his hand over his face when ever he discussing black people.  Still not sure what that means, I'm guessing spook ?  But it freaked me the F out.  While not a supervisor to me, he was above me and reported to the same big boss as me.  And it wasn't just that one person, it's.... what is the word, not engrained, whatever, it's normal behavior.

    The other thing that freaked me out was women doing it too, WTF.  Maybe it's the movies or some assumption I made, but I just figured people who spoke like that fit a certain profile, nope.

    It took me years to figure out something so simple, if you let people know that you don't like that kind of talk, they respect it.  For me to respect them, I have to let it be known, like right after the first hint of it.  Because as offensive and foul as I find it, that is simply not the case to them, it's just the way they grew up.  And not talking like that doesn't seem to bother most people because, as I am sure you know, if there is one thing you can count on from a southerner, it's politeness.

    That's important to remember, they aren't saying it with the viscous mean spirited way that I was receiving it.  It's not benign either, but I was receiving at a hatred level far deeper than intended.

    I have also found that people think I don't like it because I am from the north, not because it's disgusting, they, like us, just think that's they way were were raised.  And most people simply don't understand how it's coming across to an outsider.

    And far as politics, that's a different beast.  Avoidance is how I handle that and I have have learned, for the most part, how to not get goaded into political conversations.  It so hard sometimes, but when I fail, I find that I want to beat my head against a cinder block.  

    Rule Numero Uno, you aren't going to reason with a Fox News viewer.  No exceptions.  Maybe that's why I bother here, thinking some day I am going to crack one.  Einstein would laugh at that assumption.


    Maybe it's a Texas thing... (none / 0) (#110)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 05:34:17 PM EST
    ...I grew up in the South, and, although certainly not in my parents' home, heard plenty of ni**er jokes and such, but I never saw the face swipe thing.

    not just a (none / 0) (#124)
    by Amiss on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:30:54 PM EST
    Texas thing. I was born and raised in N. Fla. My Mother and my aunt raised together. Like night and day. Same with my brother and myself.

    Early Friday Morning News (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 08:48:26 AM EST
    Obama jumps two points in the Rasmussen tracking poll and the New York Post never fails to tweak

    The New York Post (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:11:45 AM EST
    is always such an A-hole.  The rest of the country will the take the Yankees then, who doesn't have a hometown team and doesn't want the Yankees to be their hometown team since New York is according to the Post done with them?

    To clarify (none / 0) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:12:53 AM EST
    before it's misread. That's not a two point lead but a two point jump from yesterday into a tie.

    Also should be noted, Rasmussen has tended towards a Republican lean as it uses automated dialing and thus no cell phones.


    Uttt Ohhh (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:31:44 AM EST
    A campaign worker linked to a controversial Republican consulting firm has been arrested in Virginia and charged with throwing voter registration forms into a dumpster.

    The case comes on the heels of a controversy last month over the activities of Strategic Allied Consulting, an Arizona based consulting firm that was paid $3 million by the Republican National Committee this year to register voters in five battleground states, including Virginia. The firm, run by veteran GOP operative Nathan Sproul, was recently fired by the RNC following reports that its workers had submitted hundreds of suspicious voter registration forms in Florida.


    Say it ain't so...
    Why aren't republicans creating laws for these kind of shenanigans, to busy disenfranchising black folks ?

    Repub voter registration worker charged (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:54:48 AM EST
    ... with throwing away voter registration forms.  This, on top of the Republican consulting firm was recently fired by the RNC following reports that its workers had submitted hundreds of suspicious voter registration forms in Florida.

    But we need photo ID laws to protect us from an imagined voter fraud issue ...

    GOP is very good at sleight of hand (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 10:11:57 AM EST
    Look over there , look over there...while I commit the real fraud over here.

    FYI, as an update, the ... (none / 0) (#96)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 02:22:32 PM EST
    ... suspect in question, Colin Small, was apparently one of the "consultants" of that supposedly discredited GOP consulting firm, Strategic Allied Consultants. He's even listed himself on his LinkedIn site as a "Greassroots field director at the Republican National Committee."

    So, yeah, it sure looks like these guys really were "fired" by the Republicans. Nudge, nudge. Wink, wink. Say no more, say no more.


    Tell me He Didn't Misspell... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:27:55 PM EST

    I would put little into ones online self proclaimed job title, especially a consultant.

    That being said, for the republicans to act like they fired them as soon as they found out is complete non-sense.  Nathan Sproul's numerous companies, including Strategic Allied Consultants are registered to the same address as Rove's American Crossroads going back to 2000.

    Sproul is the paid Mitt Romney political consultant and the man at the center of the GOP Voter Registration Fraud Scandal, who, though the RNC claimed they had fired him after fraudulent registration forms were recently discovered in some 12 Florida counties, is still at work on behalf of Republicans in 30 different states, according to the LA Times.

    The long history of voter registration fraud allegations against his companies since 2004 are so toxic, that Sproul says the RNC asked him to create the shell company, Strategic Allied Consulting, this past June without his name on the corporate filings in order to hide his involvement.

    Unger points to the letter [PDF] we posted late last week from Rep. Charles Gonzalez (D-TX), ranking member of the U.S. House Elections subcommittee, sent to Rove, with a series of questions about his involvement with Sproul, including the purposes of some $750,000 that Rove's American Crossroads Super-PAC paid to Sproul, as well as questions about Rove's dealings with Sproul and his companies "during the 2000 and 2004 Presidential campaigns".


    Here is the Fraud Complaint against Strategic Allied Consultants.

    is American Crossroads 527.

    Same address, this is a big fricken deal.


    And yes, I agree. (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:40:21 PM EST
    To quote Vice President Joe Biden on another subject entirely, "This is a big f**ing deal."

    In fact, the Democrats need to realize that as big f*ing deals go, they don't get any f**ing bigger. Follow the money.


    Yep. This was happening in Wisconsin (none / 0) (#118)
    by Towanda on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 06:44:55 PM EST
    prior to the recall, reported to the Government Accountability Board (aka state election commission).  But it was swamped with so much cr*p to cope with from the Repubs -- new voter-suppression laws in constant flux from court ruling with needs to constantly re-train voting officials across the state, much totally made-up nonsense that had to be corrected, lots of lawsuits to turn over all petitions to be published, which was an immense task, and so much more -- and the commission answers to the governor, who would not give funds to follow up.

    As a result of these tactics and many more:  

    Walker was re-elected.

    It's deja vu of The Year That Was in Wisconsin as I read reports of voter suppression across the country.  I am not sanguine for Dems anywhere, owing to what I have seen.  I've said it before, but polls are meaningless, too, because weighting is based on the past.  And the past does not apply, owing to so many voter suppression laws and the like in the last few years.


    No, he didn't. I did. (none / 0) (#102)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:30:07 PM EST
    My bad.

    I heard of something (none / 0) (#125)
    by Amiss on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:46:23 PM EST
    Similar here in Duval county. Oh I got my new voters registration card! But I also got an absentee ballot that is still good as well. Good thing I try to be honest.

    Monroe County (none / 0) (#128)
    by fishcamp on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 09:24:47 AM EST
    sent me two absentee voter applications each slightly different, so I filled both out and sent them in.  A rather snippy lady called and inferred I was trying to vote twice.  I asked if she was aware they had sent two forms and she said yes.  I said there's your answer and don't snip at me over your mistake.  She turned out to be a nice lady after that so I told her I appreciated her work.

    She "implied," (none / 0) (#133)
    by NYShooter on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 09:12:06 PM EST
    you "inferred"

    I know, I can't help myself.


    thanks shooter... (none / 0) (#134)
    by fishcamp on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 07:06:36 AM EST
    I think I used to know that.

    What kind of voters? (none / 0) (#111)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 05:41:32 PM EST
    If one intended serious voter suppression, one could put a lot of effort into "registering" the kinds of people one wanted to prevent from voting, and then not turn in those forms, leaving those people unregistered and not knowing that they're unregistered until they go to vote, at which point they're probably out of luck.

    And I'm pretty sure I know which political persuasion would be more likely to do such a thing.


    Pakistani girl shot by Taliban (5.00 / 3) (#73)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 10:19:27 AM EST
    ... now being treated in Britain, is able to stand.

    Dr. Dave Rosser, medical director at the hospital, said that the girl was "well enough that she's agreed that she's happy, in fact keen, for us to share more clinical detail."  

    Rosser said the infection was probably related to the track of a bullet which grazed her head when she was attacked. Because of the infection, Rosser said, "she is not out of the woods yet."

    What an incredibly brave, young girl.

    The Denver Post (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 10:48:00 AM EST
    Makes one wonder what the ... (5.00 / 2) (#117)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 06:39:50 PM EST
    ... Mittenskorps will have to say about the Salt Lake Tribune's endorsement of President Obama, even though such an endorsement will probably have little if any effect on Utah's support for Gov. Romney:

    "From his embrace of the party's radical right wing, to subsequent portrayals of himself as a moderate champion of the middle class, Romney has raised the most frequently asked question of the campaign: 'Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?'

    "The evidence suggests no clear answer, or at least one that would survive Romney's next speech or sound bite. Politicians routinely tailor their words to suit an audience. Romney, though, is shameless, lavishing vastly diverse audiences with words, any words, they would trade their votes to hear.


    "If this portrait of a Romney willing to say anything to get elected seems harsh, we need only revisit his branding of 47 percent of Americans as freeloaders who pay no taxes, yet feel victimized and entitled to government assistance. His job, he told a group of wealthy donors, 'is not to worry about those people. I'll never convince them they should take personal responsibility and care for their lives.'


    "And what of the president Romney would replace? For four years, President Barack Obama has attempted, with varying degrees of success, to pull the nation out of its worst financial meltdown since the Great Depression, a deepening crisis he inherited the day he took office.

    "Therefore, our endorsement must go to the incumbent, a competent leader who, against tough odds, has guided the country through catastrophe and set a course that, while rocky, is pointing toward a brighter day. The president has earned a second term. Romney, in whatever guise, does not deserve a first." (Emphasis is mine.)

    That's got to be an unexpected smack upside the head for Romney, from the major newspaper in Red State Utah.


    Salt Lake City (none / 0) (#140)
    by TeresaInPa on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 07:08:27 PM EST
    is pretty liberal.

    The unhinged comments from the righties... (none / 0) (#83)
    by magster on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:35:03 AM EST
    in the online version of the editorial are hilarious.

    If Colorado's elections were based on which candidates' supporters were the loudest and most obnoxious, Romney would win 97-3.


    The ones on Facebook (none / 0) (#84)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:46:40 AM EST
    are priceless as well.  Apparently, the concept of an editorial is a very difficult one to grasp.

    I once mentioned (5.00 / 2) (#94)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:50:30 PM EST
    that only newspaper endorsements that flip party from four years ago are really worth reading, but every now and then there is a surprise that you expected to flip but didn't.

    Of Romney it says "Who is this guy, really, and what in the world does he truly believe?"

    The Salt Lake Utah Tribune endorses Barack Obama

    It's obvious what Romney believes... (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 05:46:19 PM EST
    ...he believes he'd like to be President.

    Or as a letter to the N&O put it, accusing him of (Groucho)Marxism, "Those are my principles.  If you don't like them, I have others."


    The New Yorker (none / 0) (#113)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 05:54:25 PM EST
    puts Romney on their cover and it looks like they had your comment in mind. Lots of tattoo suggestions on the wall of the parlor too.

    Enlarge and enjoy


    If only the candidates could have a little musical (none / 0) (#1)
    by Angel on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:01:44 PM EST
    intro at the debates...

    I just (none / 0) (#2)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:17:37 PM EST
    looked at the Gallup tracking it's certainly bad news for Obama. What happened? Was it just the first debate?

    Let's see what happens when the (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:33:22 PM EST
    post-debate polling comes in; it doesn't appear as if the cited poll covers that period.

    I think the numbers are going to reverse direction and if Obama can get in a good debate on Monday, too, I think Obama keeps trending up.


    None of the other polls seem as bad as Gallup (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:35:32 PM EST
    I am more worried about the one showing them tied with women and Romney way out ahead on the economy.

    Way too close for me.


    Well (none / 0) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:23:16 PM EST
    I just looked at Obama's breakdown compared to 2008 and his problem with working class whites may cost him the election in November. poll

    Nate Silver says (none / 0) (#4)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:30:14 PM EST
    unless you see other polls similar, you can probably ignore Gallup. He said historically when Gallup ventures far away from the averages of other prominent and reliable polling firms, Gallup tends to be very wrong.

    His update tonight has Obama with a 65.7 chance of winning the election.


    Nate actually updates again tonight (none / 0) (#47)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:02:47 AM EST
    And I have to say he's putting his reputation and his computer program on the line right now. As Gallup shows Romney with a 7 point lead, Nate moves Obama's chances of a win up to 70.4% based on the post debate swing state polls appearing this week.

    II'd say it's an outlier. (none / 0) (#12)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:55:20 PM EST
    While Gallup's name may have cache in polling circles, when it does go off the rails get it wrong, the firm has a history of performing very poorly. Gallup had George W. Bush staked to an 8-point lead over Al Gore at this same point in time back in 2000, and back in 1948 -- well, nuf ced.

    The other thing (none / 0) (#42)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:51:31 PM EST
    is...give me a second to find the post...ah yes.  Romney racks up a huge margin in the South in this poll.  kos.  So whereas Obama is plus 4 in the East and Midwest, and plus 6 in the West, Romney is +22 in the South.

    Of course, the numbers looked better for Obama in the past.  My laziness prevents me from looking up an older cross tab to see what might be happening, I would assume it's a depression of Obama support in areas otherwise inclined to enthusiastically support him.  I'm not sure Gallup weighs by convention political wisdom (for example, that Georgia will not be going blue, but North Carolina might, and Virginia is even more likely to do so).  But, honestly, I don't know.


    Poll reporting is nuts. Tonight, I just heard (none / 0) (#43)
    by Towanda on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:53:23 PM EST
    Maddow report on early voting in Wisconsin, seeing significance in alleged lead for Obama.  She did caution that only 6% of Wisconsin voters have voted.

    WTF?  Early voting in Wisconsin doesn't start until next week.  And how can she calculate 6% of an unknown number?  Even if she meant registered voters . . . nope, that doesn't work, either, as Wisconsin has same-day election day registration.

    This was based on a poll, she said.  Wisconinites must be lying to pollsters again.  It's a sport in the state that wearies of being bombarded by pollsters, ads, etc.  I read today that more political ads are targeted at Wisconsin right now than anywhere -- to Green Bay (often closely split between parties) and Madison.  WTF?  Madison is never close; it's a lock.

    In sum, more evidence to not trust pollsters or reports of polls, if they don't know the states.


    Hey, thanks J! I couldn't resist (none / 0) (#7)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:37:12 PM EST

    and the coup de grace (sp? (none / 0) (#9)
    by DFLer on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:47:54 PM EST
    you've attracted a site violator!

    Par for the course, believe me (none / 0) (#11)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:51:10 PM EST
    Site Violator (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:50:53 PM EST
    on most of today's threads

    he's gone (none / 0) (#50)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:48:13 AM EST
    just zapped him. The site violator comments really help although I try to check new registrations every couple of days and can find them that way.

    The Ducks (none / 0) (#13)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:07:00 PM EST
    against Arizona State looks a lot like the Tigers against the Yankees. 29-7 early in the 2nd quarter.

    Ummm (none / 0) (#14)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:12:29 PM EST
    now 43-7 still early in the 2nd quarter

    All week the professional sports yakkers (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:35:46 PM EST
    have been worried about how the Ducks would fare against AZ St. The Sun Devils were thought to be the toughest opponent the Ducks would face up to this point. Huh.

    Now the game's not over. A lot can happen in the second half. Still, I feel my usual cloak of fretting falling from my shoulders as this game goes on.

    Go, Ducks!


    Mizzou beat ASU (none / 0) (#20)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:37:17 PM EST
    with their backup QB.

    Oregon won 43-21. (none / 0) (#40)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:23:52 PM EST
    And they did it without bothering to put their team on the field in second half.  :-(

    Turkish pianist, Fazil Say*, (none / 0) (#17)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:20:16 PM EST
    is being tried in Turkey for insulting Islam via tweets.  ]bbchttp://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-19990943]

    *Not my favorite pianist, however.  Walked out at intermission once, and "sold" another ticket for a ridiculously low price.  

    Lucky for you... (5.00 / 2) (#91)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:42:03 PM EST
    Islam has no problem with insulting pianists via blog comment! ;)

    Hey BTD (none / 0) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:39:46 PM EST
    Most pedophiles...Boy Scout Leaders vs Catholic Priests... pick em?

    Looks to me like the Boy Scout Leaders may have won this one in a runaway.

    Birds of a feather, CG, birds of a feather. (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:45:25 PM EST
    Authoritarian, male-dominated organizations with weird sexual hangups.

    It's tough to pick a winner here.


    You Forget Their... (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 10:10:48 AM EST
    ...shared hatred of homosexuals and how they both connect them to pedophiles.

    What really is getting lost here is that these files were kept secret and that another group who's purpose was to help kids, failed to protect them for the brand.

    I hate new laws, but we need to have one that makes it a crime to hide sexual crimes against kids.  Disclose now or be charged with a crime.  And the statute of limitations needs to be removed if the 'adults' hide the crimes from the authorities.  I am getting sick of the a-holes not reporting pedophiles to the police, which is surely creating many more victims.

    I don't understand how a adult can do this.


    Fortunately none of this (none / 0) (#85)
    by fishcamp on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:50:54 AM EST
    evil sh** ever happened to me and I was an Eagle Scout and an alter boy at the Catholic church.  I grew up in Portland, Oregon back in the 40's and we never even heard about these things.  Guess I'm so old it hadn't started yet in good old PDX

    For those that haven't seen (none / 0) (#23)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:42:48 PM EST
    the scouting report...

    WASHINGTON -- The publication Thursday of 20 years worth of secret records kept by the Boy Scouts of America reveal a widespread effort by the organization to cover up a scandal involving allegations of sexual abuse against 1,200 scout leaders.

    The records, known within the Boy Scouts itself as the "perversion files," cover the years 1965-1985

    And that's the record from over ... (none / 0) (#26)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:53:57 PM EST
    25 years ago! I also believe the late anti-gay gay Republican mayor of Spokane, James West, was accused of scout-diddling during his time as a BSA scoutmaster in the '80s.

    Yikes! (none / 0) (#29)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:19:12 PM EST
    I just heard from an old friend of mine over on Maui that a mutual buddy of ours was attacked by a large shark this morning off Kanaha Beach, which is on the north shore of that island, next to Kahului Airport.

    Our friend's okay, but apparently his paddleboard got chomped, big time. The local authorities have since estimated from the size of the bite marks on his board that it was an 8-foot grey reef shark.

    We're going to Maui tomorrow night for the weekend, so he'll get a chance -- Thank Gawd! -- to tell us all about his close encounter.

    Does that happen very often? A shark attack? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:21:20 PM EST
    No, it doesn't. (none / 0) (#31)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:45:21 PM EST
    But when you're a surfer, its inevitable that you're going to have occasional close encounters with the sealife. Sometimes, it's a little too close for comfort.

    I had a casual encounter with an 8-to-10 foot hammerhead in Maunalua Bay about 10 years ago, while waiting for a wave. I didn't panic; just caught the next wave in, and came ashore.

    But honestly, large sharks are rather low on my personal list with regards to potential threat level. If I had to name one sea creature I truly fear encountering out in the ocean, it would be the box jellyfish.

    I once got stung very badly across my front torso by a box jelly while surfing off Waikiki about 20 years ago, and it was awwful enough that I had to go to The Queen's Medical Center's emergency room and be given a shot of anti-toxin. I was sore and in pain for two weeks afterward!


    This Farm Boy From Wisocnsin.... (none / 0) (#77)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:01:08 AM EST
    ...would say the sea itself is the real fear.  I an extremely strong swimmer, but on the North Shore I decided to put on my big boy pants.  The surf pinned me under for I would guess 45 seconds and I came out looking like I had been the star attraction at an S&M Ball.

    45 seconds doesn't seem like long, especially considering I could hold my breathe for over 3 mins, but that was probably the most terrifying 45 seconds of my life.

    Luckily I was a young chap, and my only real injury was to my pride.  MY GF at the time thought is was sooo funny, but I was rattled.


    I always urge visitors ... (none / 0) (#99)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:21:29 PM EST
    ... to respect Mother Nature out here, because she tends to be an unforgiving mistress who doesn't suffer fools lightly. We are not Disneyland.

    Alas, every year a certain number of our visitors leave their common sense and good judgment back in their hotel rooms, and engage in activities that place them a potentially great peril, unwittingly.

    Honolulu fire department personnel just rescued two young men from Oregon two days ago near our home in east Honolulu, who had jumped off the cliffs at China Walls into Maunalua Bay. They couldn't get themselves back onto the rock ledge above, because neither of them had the sufficient upper torso strength necessary to hoist themselves out of those strong currents. That could've proved fatal for either one or even both of them, had an alert local resident on Portlock Drive not looked outside her kitchen window, noticed their distress and then called 9-1-1 on their behalf.

    As you undoubtedly learned (albeit the hard way), there is a vast world of difference in the respective tidal and surf conditions at Waikiki Beach, which is actually protected by a large underwater reef that serves to break up big waves before they reach shore, and at the beaches along Oahu's North Shore, which have no such protective barrier.

    That difference is especially noticeable in the fall and winter months, when our islands tend to get the biggest surf. Those large waves rolling in on the North Shore may look inviting from where you stand on the shoreline or beach. But trust me, they also look a lot smaller from that perspective than they really are -- especially once you're out there in the middle of the surf, and find yourself staring up into the 10'-15' face of a wave bearing down upon you at what seems like warp speed.


    Off the top of my head (none / 0) (#32)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:45:57 PM EST
    probably less likely than getting struck by lightning or winning the lottery.

    Link: (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:56:47 PM EST
    Great little museum (none / 0) (#38)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:12:58 PM EST
    on The University of Florida campus, on Museum Road naturally. The original building from when I was a student (which I don't believe is open to the public anymore) is only used for research now. It was built partly underground for environmental purposes.

    You water people! (none / 0) (#44)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:56:39 PM EST
    I don't recall if you grew up near the water or not Donald (maybe not?) so maybe this isn't the case for you personally.  But most people I know (including my dad) who grew up near the water just seem so blasé about sharks, alligators, etc.  I remember talking to my then 14 year old niece who lives in Florida about a pond near her house.  "What a cool pond, do you swim in it?"  "Oh, yeah."  "Wow, are there alligators?"  "Oh, yeah."  "Wait, what, there ARE alligators??"  "Oh, yeah, they don't bother you though."  Cue my frenzied blinking.

    I've never gotten enough enjoyment out of the water (although I enjoy it) to go all in and just not worry about sharks.  And I wasn't born into water life either.  I'm the one at the beach up to her chest with a miserable look on her face from time to time, while you're paddling for a wave.  Don't drag the sharks in, please :)


    I was born and raised in Pasadena, CA. (none / 0) (#55)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 04:06:28 AM EST
    That's about 25 miles inland from the Pacific Ocean. But my stepfather, a retired Army officer from Long Beach, had a 25-ft. sloop that he loved, and he'd take us sailing to Santa Barbara, Santa Catalina, San Diego, Ensenada, etc. He was an ocean-loving man, and through him I learned to respect the water, and not fear it. It was a great life's gift.

    (He also taught me the secret to mixing a great margarita on one of our voyages to Ensenada when I was 17, but that's another story.)

    I became a surfer because my stepbrother, who's my age, was totally into it and insisted that I try it. So I spent most of my teenaged years either on or in the ocean, or playing / watching baseball, when I wasn't in school.

    I don't think I could ever live more than a few hours' drive from the Pacific Ocean. I'd be in perpetual mourning if I had to reside in a landlocked place -- such as, say, Denver. (Sorry, Jeralyn.)


    What was (none / 0) (#69)
    by jtaylorr on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:54:50 AM EST
    Old Town Pas like when you were growing up?

    It was a run-down, derelict community ... (none / 0) (#89)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:14:39 PM EST
    ... full of pawn shops, boarding houses and sleazy bars.

    sounds like (none / 0) (#131)
    by the capstan on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 03:34:32 PM EST
    East Pasadena to me.  (I lived in Altadena in the early 60's.)

    Or did I mean (none / 0) (#132)
    by the capstan on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 06:50:31 PM EST
    South Pasadena?

    Obama: Benghazi response "not optimal" (none / 0) (#35)
    by Erehwon on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:01:17 PM EST
    Obama to Jon Stewart: Benghazi response "not optimal"

    That seems like a terrible choice (to repeat Stewart's words) and may have some traction to hurt Obama ... what do you all think? Just when I sent in my absentee vote and was hoping to breathe a little easier ...

    Hmm (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:57:13 AM EST
    I don't think there's a lot of room to criticize the President on that if you're Romney et al.  To somewhat echo BTD's comments from a day ago, although I think this has been the case for some time, he is very confident and really comes into his own on foreign policy.  I think were he questioned on those remarks he would come back in the same way he did about Libya the other night; confident, sober minded Commander in Chief dismissive of attempts to politicize what is still under investigation.  Since the politics of his defense is important at this point, I think this is an important characteristic to highlight.  I think he is extremely knowledgeable and does a good job at conveying having the hand on the wheel in terms of FP.  Those who feel there is a better approach and are thinking of voting Romney because of that need to go through the handsome library that has been built up during and since GW's Presidency about foreign policy disasters.  They can start with lives lost and IOUs and move onto the bizarre, erratic, and really, arcade hall "pew pew" thinking that motivated the President and tell me Obama is doing worse.

    I mean for Christ's sake if you want to talk about misplaced Presidential rhetoric let's look at "Mission Accomplished" in Iraq and Katrina and "heckuva job Brownie."  I mean if we haven't come at least a small way from needing to hear that crap then I don't know what to say.

    The only caveat I have about this is I wonder where we would be at this point in the conversation if Obama had pressed harder to bring anyone from GW's administration to bear on their wrongs.  Whatever opening we had to truly correct that, morally, is gone.  One of the reasons I hope Obama wins re-election and this can just be over is that I practically salivate to read his memoirs about his time in office and try to understand why he made the decisions he did.  When the sourness of the Bush Administration comes back it really comes back and I'm lucky that at least it gets to the backburner sometimes.  Ooh, don't get me started.


    Apparently that is the phrase (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:10:23 PM EST
    Stewart used in asking the Pres. about the government's response.  

    This close to the election (none / 0) (#45)
    by shoephone on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:58:35 PM EST
    it is probably NOT a good idea to go on any of the talk shows. (Full disclosure: I can't stand Jon Stewart.) Anything said, even in jest, will go viral within hours.

    Mr. Obama, stay away from the TeeVee people.


    Uh-oh... (none / 0) (#46)
    by shoephone on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:01:54 AM EST
    ...I just saw a promo that Obama's going to be on Letterman tonight...

    Stay away from the TeeVee people!


    Letterman (none / 0) (#48)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:06:18 AM EST
    was a repeat I believe

    Hope so... (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by shoephone on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:36:46 AM EST
    I'll find out in an hour!

    BTW, my non-scientific-based opinion has always been that Letterman fans vote Dem, Leno fans vote Repub.


    What do I think? (none / 0) (#56)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 04:09:25 AM EST
    I think Democrats need to stop worrying about what the Republicans might do in retaliation if we do something. We are not deer in the headlights.

    NYT reporting on The Dinner: (none / 0) (#37)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:11:04 PM EST
    Romney's joke about (none / 0) (#90)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:29:36 PM EST
    President Obama advising Pope Benedict XVI, saying look Holy Father, whatever the problem, just blame it on Pope John Paul II, got big laughs, but I wonder if Cardinal Dolan's laughter might not have been a nervous laugh. Maybe not the best joke for the Catholic crowd.

    Not just the "Butler Did It" scandal of finger-pointing and dissent among factions, but the handling of John Paul II's favorite by Benedict, the Rev. Marciel Maciel, the discredited founder of the Legion of Christ.  

    Father Maciel was considered a saint by his predecessor but was a fraud.  A serial adulterer who fathered up to six children, sexually abused male seminarians, including his own son.  Benedict was not immune from the blame game, requiring that Maciel abandon his ministry for penitence and prayer--but, of course, not removal as a priest nor stronger sanctions on the the Legion of Christ.


    "Binders Full of Women," Part MCMXLVIX: (none / 0) (#57)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 05:28:58 AM EST
    We went out to a late dinner tonight, and the entertainment in the lounge was playing a cover of the old Mungo Jerry hit, "In the Summertime" -- only they changed the lyrics, to great laughter and applause from the patrons:

    "In the summertime when the weather is high,
    You can chase right up and touch the sky.
    When the weather's fine,
    You got binders full of women on your mind."

    As silly as this whole self-inflicted controversy of Romney's is, I wonder if he can live it down by Election Day. Certainly, this sort of spontaneous public ridicule can't be good for his campaign.

    "Have a drink, have a drive,
    Go out and see what you can find ..."

    Good one (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:23:47 AM EST
    I still have concerns about laughing too soon however.

    ... it is doubling down on one's determination that this ingratiating but disingenuous plutocrat not be given the keys to the White House.

    Regardless, President Obama's going to easily carry the islands by 30 or more points, so the grassroots efforts of Hawaii Democrats are actually focused upon turning out the Democratic vote in Nevada, and now (as of last week) Arizona.

    We've got a major phone banking drive going over at the Hawaii Democratic Party HQ even as we speak, so it should not surprise Democratic or Democratic-leaning voters in either of those two states to get a call from us, urging them to go to the polls and vote for Obama and the respective Democratic candidates for various office in their state and district, and even arranging rides for them on Election Day if necessary.

    The Spouse and I went to Las Vegas four years ago as part of the DNC's GOTV effort back then (after dropping the girls off at my mother's in Pasadena), and spent Election Day ferrying Nevada Democratic voters to and from the polls. We can't go this time 'round, as we're both involved in local races that preclude our leaving.


    Soup kitchen backlash (none / 0) (#72)
    by Yman on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 10:13:43 AM EST
    Romney/Ryan supporters who supported the soup kitchen where the Ryan photo-op occurred last week have started pulling donations from the charity.

    Ryan may have suffered a few late-night jokes, but the fallout for the soup kitchen appears to be far more bruising. Brian J. Antal, president of the Mahoning County St. Vincent De Paul Society, confirmed that donors have begun an exodus in protest over Ryan's embarrassment. The monetary losses have been big. "It appears to be a substantial amount," Antal said. "You can rest assured there has been a substantial backlash."


    Agreed. (none / 0) (#101)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 03:28:47 PM EST
    I think I'd like to send them some money. The St. Vincent De Paul Society does good word in socio-economically challenged communities and neighborhoods throughout our country, and their efforts are worthy of our support.

    If the Ohio Democratic party... (none / 0) (#114)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 06:04:07 PM EST
    ...had a lick of sense, they'd already have organized a campaign to replace (and then some) the reduced donations, while, in as gracious a manner as possible, just to twist the knife, making sure the Republicans got even more bad press out of it.

    Of course if the Democrats had a lick of sense they'd have announced right after Katrina that their 2008 convention would be held in New Orleans, to spur re-construction efforts in that city.


    Donald: I posted this on an earlier thread: (none / 0) (#130)
    by DFLer on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 12:52:10 PM EST
    in repsonse to Angel's posting about donations falling. Hope this is helpful:

    That is an unfortunate and unfair result for the soup kitchen, as they were bull-rushed into the event. We should all send them ten bucks. I couldn't find a website specific to this kitchen, just a general donation to the St Vincent De Paul society.

    However, here's some info for a check mailed the old fashioned way:

    Society Of ST. Vincent De Paul Soup Kitchen
    208 W Front St
    Youngstown, OH 44503

    Obama (none / 0) (#76)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 10:58:50 AM EST
    going live from George Mason University

    Introduced by Ann Richards daughter. Looking to be a pro women speech as everyone behind the podium is female

    Obama has coined a new term (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by CoralGables on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:12:45 AM EST
    and diagnosed Mitt as suffering from "Romneysia"

    Isn't that brilliant? (none / 0) (#93)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:45:30 PM EST
    A great expression.

    Very goiod - ashamed I did not think of it myself! (none / 0) (#95)
    by ruffian on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 02:14:40 PM EST
    Not exactly original. (none / 0) (#127)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 09:05:09 AM EST
    President Bush delivered his harshest personal attack yet on Gov. Bill Clinton today, reminding voters of Mr. Clinton's experimentation with marijuana 20 years ago, accusing him of plotting huge cuts in Medicare and calling him a weak-kneed waffler.

    "This guy couldn't remember in detail that he didn't inhale 20 years ago, and he can't remember what came out of his mouth 20 minutes ago," Mr. Bush said, describing a condition he called "Clintonesia" -- "weak knees, sweaty palms and an incredible desire to say anything on all sides of any issue, depending on who you're trying to please." link

    Maybe it will work better for Obama than for BushI.


    Wouldn't you love to be able to hear... (5.00 / 3) (#115)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 06:16:51 PM EST
    ...Ann Richards' take on Romney?

    Although I'd really love to hear what Molly Ivins would have to say, although the real loss is not hearing what she would have said about Rick Perry during the primaries.


    OMG the chutzpah! (none / 0) (#92)
    by Slayersrezo on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:01:43 PM EST
    Prosecutors seek gag order

    "Prosecutors want a Florida judge to clamp a gag order on the Trayvon Martin murder case, saying lawyers for the man charged with murdering the unarmed black teenager threaten to taint the jury pool by trying the case "in the media and not in the courtroom."

    I'm laughing so hard I'm crying now.

    Apparently, Rep. Joe Walsh (none / 0) (#106)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 04:19:18 PM EST
    (R.  Missouri) believes that there is absolutely no reason whatsoever for any abortions, including to save the life of the mother, because of medical advances that make these unnecessary.  (I believe that this is the same Joe Walsh who got in trouble for not paying child support, but I'm not looking it up on my iPad because it's too involved.)
    Joe Walsh.  Todd Akin in Missouri.  What happened to the water or whatever in these states that caused such idiocy?  I am embarrassed to be from that area.

    http://news.yahoo.com/blogs/ticket/congressman-says-abortions-never-necessary-save-life-mother-17513 0900--election.html

    Actually, Congressman Walsh ... (none / 0) (#120)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 08:24:33 PM EST
    ... represents Illinois' 10th District in the House, which comprises the northwest suburban areas of Chicago in Cook and Lake Counties. And you're right, this is the same guy who got hauled into court and threatened with contempt for failure to pay child support for a decade.

    If Walsh hailed from Missouri, he'd probably be a shoo-in for re-election. As it stands, the congressional poster child for deadbeat dads is faced off against Iraq War veteran (and former Honolulu resident and McKinley High graduate) Tammy Duckworth, and he's not polling too very well. The RCCC considers his re-election problematic, and has since pulled all its institutional support for his campaign, so he's on his own.


    Doggone it, (none / 0) (#121)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:01:20 PM EST
    I meant to say Illinois, not Missouri!  You're absolutely correct.  I really hope Duckworth beats him.

    Koch brother are still in Walsh's corner. (none / 0) (#123)
    by caseyOR on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:22:50 PM EST
    The RCCC and the RNC may have pulled their money from Walsh, but a PAC associated with the Koch boys is pummeling the district with $2.5 million in ads supporting Walsh's candidacy.

    I don't think Duckworth has the money to counteract this deluge from the outer limits of the Right. Duckworth still has a big fight on her hands. Walsh could win this given the new  infusion of cash.

    Walsh is such a jerk, and a pinhead. It would be very good for the country if he was removed from the Congress. I wish I felt more confident that Duckworth will win.


    CO neo-Nazis getting nervous about the election (none / 0) (#107)
    by shoephone on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 04:59:07 PM EST
    Swaztikas painted on Obama campaign office windows and yard signs in Colorado.

    Racial hate is alive and well in places other than the south.

    You have to watch this, it's hysterical. (none / 0) (#109)
    by Angel on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 05:03:32 PM EST

    Remember, Romnesia is a curable disease...and Obamacare covers preexisting conditions!

    Self-defense killing in FL (none / 0) (#119)
    by SuzieTampa on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 07:49:03 PM EST
    People have already begun arguing about this case, in which a man in a gated community was considered by many neighbors to be crazy and dangerous.

    A neighbor walked his dog past the house, and he knocked into a sign in the yard. A commotion ensued and the owner came out, pulled a knife on the neighbor and threatened to cut his throat. The neighbor had a gun in his pocket and shot and killed him.

    This happened south of Tampa, but in the same county (Hillsborough). I'm guessing the neighbor won't be arrested, but some people are suggesting that the neighbor should have avoided going past that house.

    Ahh...just wait till this gets around (none / 0) (#126)
    by Slayersrezo on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 12:00:38 AM EST
    Wait for what? n/t (5.00 / 1) (#138)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 21, 2012 at 10:02:32 AM EST
    Jayzus. (none / 0) (#129)
    by Angel on Sat Oct 20, 2012 at 09:43:08 AM EST
    SITE VIOLATOR (none / 0) (#142)
    by shoephone on Sat Jan 26, 2013 at 03:27:14 PM EST