Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

A blog note. The thread in the last post got a little testy and uncivil. I'm not going to delete it, but, I note that, myself included, violated site rules in that thread and we will have no more of that from any of us, myself included.

Yes the election is close at hand, we're all nervous and testy, but unlike the Presidential Debates, we will follow our rules here.

Starting . . . NOW!

Open Thread.

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    More on those binders (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Peter G on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:00:32 PM EST
    The Boston Phoenix reports that the story about Rmoney's engaging in aggressive affirmative action to find well-qualified women for top jobs in Massachusetts state government between 2003 and 2007 was not even true.  (I'd like to ask two follow-ups, though.  One, does this mean he supports affirmative action in public hiring, and if so, would he as President appoint federal judges who believe that affirmative action is not unconstitutional?  And two, were those women that he appointed as heads of agencies paid the same as male heads of state agencies?

    Maybe you should do a state records (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:04:54 PM EST

    Or maybe, you should ... (none / 0) (#45)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:55:53 PM EST
    The family of George McGovern ... (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:02:41 PM EST
    ... says that the 90-year-old former South Dakota senator is "no longer responsive" in hospice care, and that he's "nearing the end" of his life's journey.

    George McGovern was an honorable public servant during a dishonorable era of political scoundrels. And on his worst day, he was still a far better man than Richard Nixon could ever even hope to be at his very best.

    Godspeed, Senator.

    As one of the handful of people who (5.00 / 4) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:05:34 PM EST
    voted for McGovern, I wish him a peaceful journey.  

    I voted for McGovern (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:12:47 PM EST
    and wish him Godspeed.

    I voted (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:44:41 PM EST
    for him, too, and echo the sentiments.  

    One of the reasons (5.00 / 8) (#81)
    by NYShooter on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:05:31 AM EST
    I hate Republicans (note, I said "one") is that they've taken hypocrisy to a level that defies description.

    Find any college where military recruitment is active and you'll find a bunch of baby cheeked Republican booster boys advocating for enlistment. The fact that their own enrollment numbers approach zero phases them none in the least.

    And for the politically correct worry warts I use the word, "hate" for those sort of duplicitous cowards. After their campaign against a true war hero, John Kerry, no pejorative is adequate enough to express my feelings towards these slugs.

    The reason I'm a little riled up today is, a) somebody mentioned George McGovern, and his grave condition, and, b) the memory of what the Republicans did to his reputation during his campaign for President, and his anti-war stance in general. And, BTW, my disgust with the aforementioned, human mutants, you can toss in the generic misnomer, "journalists," into the mix.

    My agitation is due to the tragically, little known fact, that George McGovern, the man denounced with every known noun and adjective as a "weenie," just happened to be a battle hardened war hero of incredible proportion. Anyone who wants to know more can simply Google, "George McGovern, hero," and you'll know immediately why I'm so mad. You certainly can be excused for not knowing his history (I didn't realize it till years after his campaign) because he never spoke of it. You, of course, would never have known if you expected the "journalists" of the time to inform you. No, the only source you would have had was the hate filled, treasonous, lie machine known as the Republican party.

    I think I've said enough, I gotta go calm down.

    I'll never forget you, George McGovern. To me, you're who I'll always think of when I hear the term, "a man's man," a loving guy, and a real Hero. I wish you peace, Sir.


    George McGovern (5.00 / 2) (#110)
    by lc on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 01:38:21 PM EST
    One of the best essays I ever read was by George McGovern after the 1994 elections, when Newt Gingrich used the term McGovernites like it was a slur.  McGovern pointed out how he had been married to his wife, Eleanor for 50 some years, how many times has Newt Gingrich been married.  Senator McGovern pointed out how had been a fighter pilot during World War II, what was Newt Gingrich's military record.  You could feel the senator spitting nails right through the newspaper page.

    I was five months away from voting age in November 1972, but I would have voted for George McGovern if I could have.

    Godspeed, Senator McGovern


    Bomber pilot, actually (none / 0) (#121)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 11:46:37 AM EST
    McGovern flew the B-24 Liberator.

    And, just in case (5.00 / 2) (#126)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:56:43 PM EST
    anyone gets the notion that a "Bomber" pilot's job is less perilous than a "fighter" pilot's, let me dissuade you of that notion right now.

    The B-24 was a long range Bomber and, until the war was almost over, its missions were too long for any fighter escorts to accompany them to provide some little protection. They were under constant attack, both from enemy fighters and from ground anti-aircraft guns & missiles. A normal tour of duty for a B-24 (or B-17) pilot or crewman in these "Flying Fortresses,' was 25 missions. That doesn't sound like so much, until you realize that the survival rate for those guys was 25%. (George flew 35 missions)

    George McGovern didn't just accept this dangerous assignment; he demanded it. And, to listen to the crewmen who flew with him tell their stories after the War, First Lieutenant George McGovern wasn't merely brave, he was God. And, out of respect for his reluctance to discuss his heroic deeds, let me just say, they don't hand out the "Distinguished Flying Cross" for good attendance.


    I wish I could (none / 0) (#112)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 01:56:11 PM EST
    give you a "10" for this, Shooter.  Bravo!  This is exactly how I feel.

    Thank you, (5.00 / 1) (#127)
    by NYShooter on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:57:19 PM EST
    Pretty lady.

    This thread's too nice. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:05:14 PM EST
    Who wants a dust-up?

    Are you callin' me (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:12:08 PM EST
    a commie?

    Pretty damn boring so far. Go for it. (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:05:55 PM EST
    Hope you caught the gambling (none / 0) (#40)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:36:06 PM EST
    exchanges in the morning open thread.  

    I can't start a fight (5.00 / 5) (#31)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:14:38 PM EST
    I'm stuck in my binder.

    Is it full of "qualified" women? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:25:50 PM EST
    Do they have husbands?  Can they cook?

    Okay, then. (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:27:57 PM EST
    Great (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by kmblue on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 07:06:31 PM EST
    I just saw a graphic on Hardball from the women in binders tumbler:  IT'S SO DARK AND SCARY IN THIS BINDER lol

    That is too funny! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Amiss on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 09:14:04 PM EST
    Even can write a review of the binder. It was most helpful for me since I need a new one.

    For more Binder Humor (5.00 / 4) (#48)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:07:06 PM EST
    Check out the reviews for the Avery Binder popping up today at Amazon

    Now this is capitalism at work. (none / 0) (#49)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:15:44 PM EST
    The invisible hand of the market appears, and slaps down Mitt Romney.

    For Jeralyn or BTD... (none / 0) (#54)
    by magster on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 09:04:04 PM EST
    ... other blogs are set so that when you click a link in a post and/or a comment, the link pops up in a new tab. If there is a setting on the master controls to make that happen when you click a link on this blog, that'd be my request (subject of course to a veto or nay votes by other commenters).

    I right click on the link and have then the option (none / 0) (#56)
    by DFLer on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 09:31:57 PM EST
    to open link in new tab. PC eazy peezy

    That takes an extra 2.3 seconds.... (none / 0) (#61)
    by magster on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 10:00:41 PM EST
    ... and, I'm sorry, my time is precious. [sarcasm font].

    Yeah, I know it's no big deal except for I forget to right click half the time, and if there's a magic button that Jeralyn can press, that'd be my humble request.....


    Hey! Does Jeralyn look ... (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 10:18:21 PM EST
    ... like your binder full of women?

    And c'mon, 2.3 seconds -- Geez, what are you, a friggin' snail? What you need is some precision drilling.

    Okay, let's go -- target link, right click, left click, open. Target link, right click, left click, open. Target link, right click, left click, open. Target link, right click, left click, open.

    Now, do that three hundred times before you log out and go to bed at night, and then another three hundred times after you log in first thing in the morning, and I guarantee you, you'll have that time down to 1.2 seconds in four weeks.

    Aloha. ;-D


    I'd have replied to your comment sooner... (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by magster on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 10:28:19 PM EST
    ... but I left clicked your link and got lost in the intertubes watching cats playing piano....

    I still vote with Magster (none / 0) (#66)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 11:14:18 PM EST
    It would be a great addition.

    But...that damn method from Donald works. I guess you can teach an old dog new tricks. It could take 300 before it's ingrained though so I'm still 100% with Magster.


    Avery binders (none / 0) (#90)
    by sj on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:16:15 AM EST
    Those reviews are awesome!  And they keep rolling in, too.  From one page refresh to the next.  

    Avery couldn't buy this kind of marketing.


    I can't tell you how many people I've (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:36:27 AM EST
    sent that link to - and since my mom doesn't have a computer, I read a couple of the reviews over the phone to her - she was nearly overcome with laughter, and so was I.

    Last I looked, there were 38 pages of "reviews;" I hope Amazon doesn't shut it down.


    Good for Avery (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by DFLer on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:55:54 AM EST
    I like Avery. They provide free software and templates for their products.

    At (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:54:57 PM EST
    the end of the debate, Obama  had this to say:

    "I think a lot of this campaign, maybe over the last four years, has been devoted to this notion that I think government creates jobs, that that somehow is the answer."

    Not exactly the FDR I had hoped for.

    Yup - that notion is certainly not a (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 09:47:02 PM EST
    misconception about him that is shared on this blog!

    Benghazi: Everything you know is wrong (5.00 / 0) (#47)
    by RonK Seattle on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 07:39:58 PM EST
    h/t the indispensible Bob Somerby:
    From his reporting on the ground, [the NYT's David] Kirkpatrick says this basically wasn't al Qaeda. He says the attack wasn't preplanned to coincide with September 11. And he says the attack probably was a reaction to that tragically stupid video.

    Kirkpatrick could be wrong, of course. But those findings fly in the face of things which have been widely said.

    Ambassador Susan Rice was correct (none / 0) (#62)
    by MKS on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 10:10:26 PM EST
    Rice never said that the attack grew out of a peaceful protest.

    She said it was a spontaneous reaction to the protests in Cairo.

    The New York Times reporting out yesterday supports Rice's account.

    A spontaneous attack is still an act of terror.


    An act of terror? (none / 0) (#100)
    by RonK Seattle on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:56:02 AM EST
    Is an embassy or consular attack an act of terror?

    It's certainly an act of unlawful combat, by international standards ... but where does it fit on the sketchy categorical boundaries between war lawful, war unlawful, crime, and terror?

    Crushing a diplomatic outpost is wrong by most standards, but it's not the sort of thing that engenders fear among noncombatant populations at large.

    Consider a couple of other more muddled cases.

    How about mortar attacks on the highly militarized US mega-embassy in Baghdad's Green Zone?

    Or the truck bomb that blew the UN's Baghdad outpost off the map?

    Or targeted killings of noncombatant enemy propaganda artists?

    Wrongful acts by some/most international standards, may be seen differently through partisan lenses, may technically fit the conventional definitions of "terror", but stretch these definitions beyond natural boundaries.

    When words are overused, they lose traction - and then we'll need new words.


    I know what my husband would say (none / 0) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:08:22 PM EST
    What he even gets upset about sometimes, any attack on a military target cannot be defined as an act of terrorism.  The attack on the U.S.S. Cole cannot be considered an act of terrorism but it is often called one and considered to be one.  I think it is a toss up/moot as to whether or not anyone can legit call the attack on the Benghazi Consulate an act of terror.

    I have been in a foul mood (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:58:33 PM EST
    Since debate #1.  Last night was better, but my mood hadn't improved much.  So my daughter snuck into my house when I was at the grocery store and left this tonight.  It has fixed everything.  Best present I've gotten in ages.  I'm going to be happy all week.

    Awesome - that is one good daughter (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 09:43:29 PM EST
    No kidding. (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:02:23 AM EST
    I am in awe of both the gift (where can I get one!) and the superior thoughtfulness.  Bravo.

    Amazon and others. But the price varies (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:12:43 AM EST
    a lot!  On ebay it's $44/roll!

    Josh didn't know last night (5.00 / 2) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 07:39:02 AM EST
    He went into the main bathroom this morning, then comes out and askes what's wrong with our toilet paper and my husband tells him we got a cheap brand.

    I hope it is not as abrasive as Mitt (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by ruffian on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 07:55:21 AM EST
    What a hoot! Sort of... (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by Anne on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 08:56:26 AM EST
    The more I think about it, the more I feel that (1) I couldn't stand to have Mitt in my bathroom looking at me, and (2) the idea of his face anywhere near my nether regions makes me ill.

    Remember, Anne... (5.00 / 2) (#82)
    by easilydistracted on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:12:36 AM EST
    Keep your friends close and your enemies closer.

    TMI! TMI! (none / 0) (#96)
    by vicndabx on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:12:39 AM EST

    Not to mention... (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:14:45 AM EST
    wiping your arse with sh*t kinda defeats the purpose.

    Something wonderful happens (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:35:41 AM EST
    When you wipe your butt with him.  I just can't describe it.

    And all this before breakfast (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:50:52 AM EST
    I won't even attempt to describe it :) (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:19:14 AM EST
    Something along the following lines, perhaps? (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by easilydistracted on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:29:09 AM EST
    Hey, Mitt. Here's hoping you have a real "crappy" day.

    Okay........sheesh (none / 0) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:03:17 PM EST

    Was it ever substantiated that (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:05:12 PM EST
    the attackers at the consulate got inside info as to where the Ambassador had been moved to?  

    Not that I've seen so far (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:06:07 PM EST
    Not sure that matters (none / 0) (#6)
    by vicndabx on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:28:00 PM EST
    it's my understanding he died of smoke inhalation.

    My understanding also. But there (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:31:28 PM EST
    was an earlier speculation the attackers knew which house to set on fire.  Ambassador had been moved there for safety after the attack on the consulate.  

    Not according to this report (none / 0) (#18)
    by vicndabx on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:01:25 PM EST
    they attacked the main building where he just happened to be.  From the graphic seems reasonable to believe he was usually there as it's labeled residence.


    The rescusers retreated to a different location and were ambushed.


    To clarify (none / 0) (#24)
    by vicndabx on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:05:23 PM EST
    it does not appear he was moved at all.

    According to this link (Oct. 17), (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:23:50 PM EST
    Ambassador Stevens was alone in a "safe room" in the consulate when Libyans found him.  Just ignore the Susan Rice comments.

    Huff. Post/AP


    This is pretty funny (none / 0) (#4)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:16:39 PM EST
    I (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by lentinel on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:31:22 PM EST
    need a vodka and tonic just hearing the name Sununu.

    Hey! (none / 0) (#9)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:33:55 PM EST
    Perhaps you are the proper poster to (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:36:34 PM EST
    explain the references to "Dirty Dancing" on the tumblir "bindersofwomen" series last night.

    This one (none / 0) (#12)
    by lilburro on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:42:45 PM EST
    (my favorite so far) Dirty Dancing.

    Please explain. (This is the all-time (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:50:25 PM EST
    favorite movie of my nieces.  Maybe I should ask them.)

    Yes, ask them to explain it to you (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:55:35 PM EST
    IIRC, it's the scene in the movie where Swayze's character confronts J Grey's father (played by Jerry Orbach). The famous line is "Nobody puts Baby in a corner!" Contrary to Donald, I like the movie.  Swayze was a fabulous dancer.

    But it's not as funny when I explain it. And, in any event, I'm still trying to get the image of John Sununu erased from my memory.


    They might make me see the movie (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:57:28 PM EST
    again at Christmas!

    Better than having to watch (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:01:43 PM EST
    Jimmy Stewart moaning over Zuzu's petals for the umpeenth time.

    Last time we watched that flick about (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:03:21 PM EST
    the bachelor party and the baby.  Truly terrible.

    Next time, you should watch ... (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:11:58 PM EST
    ... "Atlas Shrugged, Part II." That should make that bachelor party movie look like "Lawrence of Arabia."

    I still like "White Christmas" the best (none / 0) (#27)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:06:41 PM EST
    Call me an old fogey. But Bing Crosby and Danny Kaye dressed in drag, singing, "Sisters... sisters... never were there such devoted sisters..." still cracks me up.

    Mine, too! (none / 0) (#33)
    by sj on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:15:59 PM EST
    I absolutely love "White Christmas"!  Although for years I thought the other sister, the not-Rosemary-Clooney one, was Mitzi Gaynor. I guess I should read the credits on old movies, also.

    Vera Ellen (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:19:24 PM EST
    One of the great movie and stage musicals dancers. Partnered with Fred Astaire on occasion.

    Love it too. An annual classic for me. (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:18:58 PM EST
    Love that Danny Kaye- Vera Ellen number ' the Best things Happen When Your're Dancing'. And both versions of Sisters.

    "Hangover." But I see there are (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:15:25 PM EST
    two sequels.  Doomed.  

    Blasphemy!... (none / 0) (#123)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:45:50 PM EST
    I so look forward to the annual viewing of "It's A Wonderful Life" every Christmas season...best Christmas movie ever, or as my conservative brother-in-law calls it, "socialist propaganda".  

    I've never seen the move (except (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:53:19 PM EST
    dubbed clips in ads for local indie movie theatre).  But did see a radio play based on the movie and acted out in a local theatre.  

    That's so hard to believe... (5.00 / 1) (#125)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 01:25:14 PM EST
    but I think I remember you saying that...you need to get on that this holiday season young lady...it's a timeless classic with killer dialogue, such as.... Hey look, mister. We serve hard drinks in here for men who want to get drunk fast, and we don't need any characters around to give the joint "atmosphere". Is that clear, or do I have to slip you my left for a convincer?

    And even more timely this year, with Mean Mr. Potter running for president.



    We had a Swayze flashback (none / 0) (#92)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:25:17 AM EST
    this weekend.  We watched The Avengers at home.  I have to see all these movies because I have this son person.  They spice them up for us oldsters though.  Tony Stark is always smarting off and he calls Thor "Point Break" referencing Swayze's character in that movie.

    I've never seen it either (none / 0) (#51)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:20:18 PM EST
    And am forever saying 'so that's where that expression comes from' when friends explain.

    Probably not, because ... (none / 0) (#13)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:47:45 PM EST
    ... I totally despised that movie with every living fiber of my being. It was a waste of perfectly good celluloid.

    I beg to differ (none / 0) (#122)
    by unitron on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 12:06:06 PM EST
    "It was a waste of perfectly good celluloid."

    No it wasn't, it had North Carolina scenery in it.

    And Bill Medley singing.


    Hey, I was nice in the previous thread! (none / 0) (#5)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:26:14 PM EST
    But that was only because I was busy looking for my binders full of women. I guess I must've left them in the trunk of my car.

    Well, I do hope those little ladies behave in there, and don't embarrass me in public like they did the last time, when they replaced the contents of their binders with notebooks full of Chippendale's dancers, and then hid themselves behind the spare tire while I inadvertantly took the boys to my next meeting. Talk about mortifying! What a bunch of practical jokers these binders full of women are, I tell ya ...

    What the h#ll does this mean? (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 05:41:42 PM EST
    I note that, myself included,

    It means that (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by Zorba on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:49:07 PM EST
    BTD needs an editor.    ;-)

    OK, last comment before dinner (none / 0) (#38)
    by shoephone on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:29:25 PM EST
    I'm just leaving a coffee house where there's a 50-something couple on their first date sitting next to me. Why do I feel I need to leave? Nervous white-haired guy who can't stop drumming on the table with fingers and shaking legs under the table takes out wallet to show Russian date his driver's license photo. Then he looks at her very seriously and asks, "where does the Russian alphabet come from anyway?" She giggles and flips her bangs back. He says, "No, but really. It's so weird. Is it actually Greek??"

    I dunno. Seems like time to vamoose...

    Don't you want to know how this (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:34:30 PM EST
    turns out?  

    I sat in front of two guys of very disparate ages at a baseball game, where you can here every word.  Older guy asked younger guy, so what are your life goals.  Answer:  I want to be a writer.  Reply:  I am a published author.  Now, I ask you, what info did they have before deciding to meet for baseball game, which older guy was entirely clueless about?


    Well, I can't think of a better place ... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Donald from Hawaii on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 06:50:28 PM EST
    ... to discuss at length with someone the many disparate choices and challenges posed by life, than at a San Diego Padres game.



    After Nike dropped Lance Armstrong this morning (none / 0) (#52)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 08:31:51 PM EST
    the floodgates opened as he was dumped like day old fish by these companies before the close of business today:

    • Trek Bicycles
    • Giro (bike helmets)
    • FRS (energy products)
    • Honey Stinger (energy products)
    • 24 Hour Fitness
    • Anheuser-Busch (Michelob Ultra)
    • RadioShack

    Only one that appears to be left is Oakley which said they are evaluating.

    The estimate I saw this morning is it will cost him in excess of $50 million in lost endorsements.

    I know $50 mil. is a whole lot (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 11:19:19 PM EST
    of money, but, since Lance already has a net worth of around $125 mil., I think he's going to be okay.

    He'll definitely be okay (none / 0) (#68)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 11:32:42 PM EST
    financially as long as he was smarter than your average athlete. As MT mentioned earlier though, with the foundation tied to his name that will also surely take a mighty hit. That's the sad part.

    Lance stepped down from all LiveStrong (none / 0) (#69)
    by caseyOR on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 11:38:11 PM EST
    leadership roles. And Nike and Anheuser Busch both said they will continue their financial relationships with LiveStrong. It would not surprise me if other companies made the same decision.

    So, LiveStrong may take an initial hit, but maybe not a big one.


    "Binders full of women" sounds like (none / 0) (#57)
    by observed on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 09:33:50 PM EST
    the title of a brilliant Seinfeld episode.

    George Zimmerman trial set for June 10 (none / 0) (#60)
    by ruffian on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 09:50:44 PM EST
    So you can start planning your post-election obsessing. Headline in Orlando Sentinel asks 'Will it be a media circus?'. Uh, YES.

    But NYT headline asks if there (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by oculus on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 11:45:41 PM EST
    will ever actually be a trial.  I don't want you to stake everything on this.  

    Link? (none / 0) (#72)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:10:58 AM EST
    I think I'm baiting you into making me laugh here

    Believe it or not, I already looked (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:13:43 AM EST
    for the headline, which I saw on line this very afternoon.  But, it disappeared.  Honest.  I'll send a sausage instead.  

    Whew. Wrong paper: (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:15:10 AM EST
    Can we put that on hold (none / 0) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Wed Oct 17, 2012 at 10:14:44 PM EST
    We've still got a World Series, an election, DWTS, Bowl Season, the Super Bowl, and March Madness before then.

    I do notice however that it may conflict with the 2013 College World Series so I think I'll skip the trial.


    Don't forget folks... (none / 0) (#77)
    by fishcamp on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 07:07:47 AM EST
    the fighting Ducks play tonight.

    Deborah Tannen explains it (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:29:30 AM EST
    Can someone (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:41:26 AM EST
    help me with something?  A friend of mine swaears that real clear politics is running advertisements for Romney in OH. I cannot find anything and am thinking there must be a PAC with a similar name.

    Are they using info from (none / 0) (#87)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:54:03 AM EST
    Real Clear Politics?  That would be my guess, that ads are running using some fact checking done by Real Clear Politics.

    I don't (none / 0) (#88)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 09:56:21 AM EST
    know. She's talking like RCP is actually sponsoring the ad.

    The real Benghazi parse (none / 0) (#89)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:08:41 AM EST
    Is Ansar al-Shariah really Al Qaeda?  Some of them have taken on the Al Qaeda label for propaganda purposes, but does that make them Al Qaeda?

    It seems obvious that Ahmed Abu Khattala was the leader and attacker that was identified and reported as the known entity in the press from the beginning.  But Ansar al-Shariah is very fractured so how did this particular attack spring up?  How organized and planned was it?  These are all legit questions that need to be answered before our President goes rattling off at the mouth during a venomous election.

    If the President ever said that Ansar al-Shariah was Al Qaeda though he would be attacked for that, because it is very unclear whether they are or not.  Perhaps at best it can only be said that some of them consider themselves Al Qaeda affiliated, therefore how can that make the attack on the consulate an Al Qaeda attack if the members of Ansar al-Shariah fight among themselves if they are Al Qaeda affiliated or not?

    Are they terrorists?  If the President had called Benghazi a terrorist attack he would have been attacked for it because calling Ansar al-Shariah terrorists is like calling Hezbollah terrorists, same arguments an issues would follow.

    He defined what happened as an act of terror, and that WAS THE CORRECT THING TO CALL IT.

    "An act of terror" (none / 0) (#94)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 10:57:12 AM EST
    to the regret of Romney's knowledge, was what the president did say at the Sept 12 rose garden address (and referenced by the president in the debate). And, to Republican lore it was just too indirect and  unconvincing that the terminology used  referred to the Benghazi attack with the killing of the US ambassador and other personnel.  

    But given the Mad Hatter Tea Party that is the Republican party, I've come to look through their looking glass.  Just because it was the day after the attack on the diplomatic  post and the Secretary of State was at the president's side, "act of terror" could have referred to almost anything.  The most likely understanding would no doubt be that by "act of terror" the president was referring to an incident of road rage on the Santa Monica Freeway and the Secretary of State's presence had no bearing on the content.  She was just pitch-hitting for the Secretary of Transportation, who was attending his son's hockey game.


    Makes me crazy (none / 0) (#95)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:03:14 AM EST
    People working within Special Operations are on the ground in Libya doing what they can to know what happened that day, and they are working to keep missiles from getting into hands that could shoot down an airliner and drag the whole world into chaos.  And Republicans get away with attempting to neuter my sitting President with this craziness, this utter insanity?

    It makes me crazy as hell, almost foaming at the mouth.


    OMG want a real scandal? (none / 0) (#98)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 11:47:11 AM EST
    Here's a real scandal.

    Violation of General Order No. 1 (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by easilydistracted on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:25:25 PM EST
    Contractors are subject to this order.

    They are supposed to be (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:39:17 PM EST
    That was one of the Obama "modifications".

    The government typically incorporates (5.00 / 1) (#106)
    by easilydistracted on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:53:47 PM EST
    General Order 1 into contracts involving operations in Afghanistan, Iraq and Kuwait. The practice started about two years ago, as I recall. As contracts expire, the follow-on contract will incorporate General Order 1. Compliance and enforcement, however, is an entirely different matter.

    Contractors Acting Like... (none / 0) (#102)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:14:48 PM EST
    ...soldiers, the horror...

    What is the scandal here, they like to get drunk and do stupid sh1t ?


    I guess you and I know different soldiers :) (none / 0) (#104)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 12:38:23 PM EST
    I've never known a medical officer to shoot up an anesthetic while deployed.  I've never known one to do it to himself at home :)  There is that drug testing problem in the actual military.

    You can drink on your own time, but not when you are deployed.  When my spouse was in Afghanistan sometimes they got near beer on special occasions, but no alcohol while deployed.


    Well On My Ship of 3000 Sailors and Marines... (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 01:11:04 PM EST
    ...I would estimate that maybe 100 didn't get disturbingly drunk and ridiculous every single night while in foreign ports.  Right after visiting the local whorehouse, which was on our Captain issued map of the city.  My boss would get NyQuil mailed to him by the case and drank it like water for his 3 pack a day cough.  The laundry area was used as makeshift hash-den because it had the best ventilation on the ship.  When returning from Jamaica, Shore patrol found something like 500 lbs of weed stashed here and there.  The propellent they used for various purposes, similar to freon, was locked down because people loved it.  These are for the most part, kids from hard economic areas.

    And while I don't know, I am fairly sure that none of them ran home and told their wives about the debauchery that just about everyone participated in.

    And it's not like this is news, the military has always had this reputation, binge drinking, chasing whores, and of course fighting.  Except, apparently whenever you are.

    Granted that was 20 years ago, but it was also when Clinton was shrinking the military and the tolerance for drugs was zero.  I can't recall anyone in the air department that didn't participate in drug use at some point.  And several were discharged for it, but it's not rocket science to pass a drug test.

    Either way, they are trying to enforce some lame definition of morality, this is about as scandalous as the Playboy non-sense.

    And as far as Special K, well it wears off in like 30 mins.  And while the medical officer should not be taking it, it's not a scandal.  Fire him and move on.

    For them to make something out of this while giving the contractors almost unlimited freedom to rape and kill in the past is ridiculous.  Have any of those people been pursued, a couple, but most went unpunished, but now they got drunken idiots to harass.  We got bigger problems in Afghanistan then some drunken soldiers or contractors.  On the scandalous level this doesn't even qualify.

    'Are the men and women doing the job well' is the only real question that needs to be answered.


    Disagree with just about everything (none / 0) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 02:52:32 PM EST
    You've said.  And that's okay, because this is America.  You aren't exactly someone who aspired to a serious military career though or even someone who supports such things....just saying

    When in Muslim countries our President and military leadership has said that our forces will be culturally respectful and we won't be drinking in such countries.  Same goes for contractors and if you can't abide by the rules nobody made you sign up for any of it.  It isn't as if everyone didn't know what the rules are.  I hope these contractors face criminal charges, they need to.


    Just go to the Ramada or the Sheridan (none / 0) (#114)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 03:25:37 PM EST
    ...it's where all the Muslims, namely Sheiks, drink in Middle Eastern Countries.  It's also where all the ladies of the evening hang-out.

    And I don't really care if you agree, but it's not a state secret that people in the military like to drink or use drugs.  Nor is it a state secret that the contractors have real problems with things like felonies and ripping off Uncle Sam and loads of real problems with real criminals.

    I think it's absurd to think drinking age men and women should go extended periods of time without drinking in the middle of a war zone.  But like you said it's America, and if you think charges should be filed against drinking age men and women who drink, that is your right.

    And as far as the military, I see it for what it was when I was in, you see if through someone else's eyes.  I respect that, but the two should never be confused.  And I am sorry you take issue.  I'm not here to dump on the military, they put me through college and gave me some direction in life.


    Re: Special K (none / 0) (#115)
    by vicndabx on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 03:33:46 PM EST
    aren't the effect of that supposed to last for some time?  The high may be gone but, dain bramage....?

    Yup (none / 0) (#117)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 04:33:20 PM EST
    ...extended use, aka the K-Hole, creates holes in your brain.  

    Really dumb for someone who supposedly should know better, a doctor. I am guessing they do it it because, like in Mexico, it's sold at the Vet and it's cheap.


    Sh*t... (none / 0) (#108)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 01:15:56 PM EST
    how do they get anybody to sign up?  I think our soldiers in that hellhole deserve a ration of a case of beer and a bottle of Jack weekly.  And a per diem to buy some local hash.

    Fricken OJ (none / 0) (#109)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 01:23:46 PM EST
    You're really going to get upset? (2.00 / 1) (#118)
    by CoralGables on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 05:24:53 PM EST
    about an anonymous source in the National Enquirer?

    What's it to ya? (none / 0) (#119)
    by shoephone on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 05:46:12 PM EST
    Wasn't Upset... (none / 0) (#120)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Oct 19, 2012 at 09:22:09 AM EST
    ...more like shaking my head at an idiot.  And while the rumor may not be true, he did write a book about how he would hypothetically killed them.
    If I Did It

    I thought he was in prison.


    Jeebus (none / 0) (#111)
    by sj on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 01:51:02 PM EST
    Okay, it's just a rumor (at this point), but still.  Once a thug, always a thug.

    Oh, from the guy who said (none / 0) (#116)
    by shoephone on Thu Oct 18, 2012 at 04:29:28 PM EST
    he didn't do it, but then wrote a book titled "If I Did It." Do all the proceeds from this scam go to the Goldman family? Because I'm pretty sure there will be another court filing from them if he tries to profit off of this disgustingness. Or maybe he wants to use the profits to buy back his children's affections -- last I read, his daughter wanted nothing to do with him.