It was Fun While It Lasted

Newt was collapsing in Florida before last night's debate. Apparently last night will only contribute to Newt's decline.

The RCP Average has Romney leading Newt by 7.2 points, but the trend is clear- Florida is heading to a Romney double digit blowout. Santorum is said to have done well and that will probably bleed Newt even more.

So that's that it seems. Well Newt. It was fun while it lasted this past week.

Get ready for Obama-Romney in the Fall.

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    Bob Dole is (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by dk on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 10:00:33 AM EST
    doing what he can to prove BTD right.  This is my favorite part (italics mine):

    In my run for the presidency in 1996 the Democrats greeted me with a number of negative TV ads and in every one of them Newt was in the ad. He was very unpopular and I am not only certain that this did not help me, but that it also cost House seats that year. Newt would show up at the campaign headquarters with an empty bucket in his hand -- that was a symbol of some sort for him -- and I never did know what he was doing or why he was doing it, and I'm not certain he knew either.

    Has to be an outlier? (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by CoralGables on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 03:05:45 PM EST
    The Dixie Strategies/First Coast News poll of likely Republican voters in Florida just released:

    Gingrich 35.46%
    Romney 35.08%
    Santorum 9.38%
    Paul 7.42%

    Note: this poll was completed at about 5:00pm yesterday afternoon.

    Probably (none / 0) (#38)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 03:43:02 PM EST
    And since other polls show Romney leading and this poll is a tie, I'd definitely say it's an outlier.

    Thanks for posting that (none / 0) (#42)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 04:22:18 PM EST
    update.  And with those stats, that nigh-tie, the contest will get even bloodier.  I'm starting to pay attention, because I do love an excuse for popcorn.

    the dump on Newt from every news organization (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 08:31:31 AM EST
    is impressive.  I cant reme3mber anything quite like it.
    it will be interesting to see if it works.  it appears to be for now at least around the edges.

    question for you.  I keep hearing all kinds of different things about delegates.  its winner take/its not winner take all.  some dispute about who is in really in charge because they were naughty so its not clear who is making the rules.

    what is the deal with the delegates?

    also.  Newt may sink but Mitt wont rise.

    know why?
    he is weird and creepy.
    take the laundry photo.  know what that was weird?  cause no one doubts its real.  the dude makes 57,000 a day and keeps rolls of quarters to do his laundry.  thats weird.
    and the mirthless laugh that is Dracula by way of Renfield is creepy.
    what, at 60 a day maybe we can send the laundry out and have dinner out a couple of times a month?
    how much money has to be reinvested?  how much money do you need? its weird.
    know what else is weird.  
    IMO strapping your dog on your car is, on its face, weird.  but stopping at gas station to hose off the excrement because the animal shat in diarrhetic and then going on his merry way, like, "he does this every time".  you know what that is?
    its bugg aSS creepy.
    Mitt may be the nominee.  but he wont be the president.


    Obama-Romney in the Fall? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Edger on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 08:53:54 AM EST
    Some choice.

    Or does that mean President Obama-Romney?

    What ? (none / 0) (#2)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:01:08 AM EST
    Nationally, Gingrich is still up, depending on the poll, by at least a couple points, and some double digits.

    I think some pretty bold proclamations were made right here for SC that turned out to be very wrong, just sayin'...

    Delegate Totals

    I don't really care, but calling this one over is a bit premature.

    Nooo (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:05:46 AM EST
    It isn't.

    It is over.


    Even if his Sugar Daddy (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:12:33 AM EST
    Gives him some more money?  I don't want this to be over yet.  I really need for Republicans to have to fight longer, and their base to feel even more screwed over by big money speech than they already feel.

    I mean over (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:22:04 AM EST
    in the sense that we will know Romney will be the nominee.

    There will be contests I'm sure.


    Gotcha (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:39:44 AM EST
    That's what (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:35:25 AM EST
    I'm thinking. Newt will continue on as long as the money spigot is flowing. Once that stops he will probably quit.

    I think you may be right about FL (none / 0) (#50)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 10:49:03 AM EST
    but fortunately for me I think its going to go on for a while.  
    from the chatter it sounds like probably until super tuesday at least because there are many southern states voting then.

    but I do agree (none / 0) (#53)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 10:58:18 AM EST
    with the larger point that if Mitt wind FL it is more or less over.  at that point we get into "end of life" issues that we know they have trouble with.

    Not sure what polls you're looking at (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:48:50 AM EST
    According to RCP, as of the 25th, Obama is up 2.5 over Romney, which is a statistical tie, and Obama is up over Gingrich an average of almost 12. (And that's before last night's debate performances)

    And in the Florida primary (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:50:55 AM EST
    Romney is up by an average of 7.2, also before last night's debate is taken into account.

    Newt vs Romney (none / 0) (#15)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 11:57:57 AM EST
    Those pols are against Obama, but head to head Newt is winning.


    I can't find anything in which Romney is leading, sans Florida local polls, either tied or Newt is leading.

    I just don't see how anyone is calling this when Newt is more popular.  I'm not pushing Newt here, I don't really care, I don't think Obama's going to have much of a problem with either.


    Ll (none / 0) (#16)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 12:43:32 PM EST
    That poll is at least 3 days old.

    You could becright, but from everything I've been reading, Newt is fading fast.


    In 3 Days ?? (none / 0) (#27)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:42:11 PM EST
    Granted last night isn't going to help.

    I honestly don't care.  But I am curious as to why nearly everyone is calling Mitt when the latest polls show Newt winning in popularity.

    I don't get it, it's not just that they are calling Mitt, they are saying, and BTD isn't the only one, that it's over.

    Why is it over ?


    Momentum (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:50:12 PM EST
    And that the establishment will NEVER let it happen

    I'll Buy the Establishment Business (none / 0) (#37)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 03:39:38 PM EST
    I have noticed a lot of Newts former colleagues, including Dole, coming out of the woodwork to give him a good kick in the groin, so to speak.

    Friday Gallup: Newt 32% Mitt 24% (none / 0) (#43)
    by Dan the Man on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 06:20:55 PM EST

    "Friday January 27, 2012

    The 32% of Republican voters now choosing Gingrich as the candidate they are most likely to support for the nomination is his highest level of support since the 2012 primary voting began in early January. The 24% supporting Romney is his lowest. "


    Once burned, twice shy (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:32:42 AM EST
    I'm not making predictions this time, though obviously you seem right.

    Also, Sitemeter is slowing TL down--again. Maybe it's time to move on from them?

    Anyone else see (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 09:34:21 AM EST
    this going around?

    Newt is way more fun.  I do think he did Dems a huge favor with respects to Romney.  Thanks Newt!

    I saw it (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 10:18:50 AM EST
    But I like that actor, have since Six Feet Under.  I think he's astute and gifted. Being compared to Newt Gingrich like that is bull$hit man :)

    a pity really. (none / 0) (#14)
    by cpinva on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 11:29:25 AM EST
    Get ready for Obama-Romney in the Fall.

    obama v gingrich (and a player to be named later) would have been far more entertaining. as it is, i'll have to settle for obama v the man in the grey flannel suit.

    I don't know... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 12:54:19 PM EST
    it's only Newties second flame-out...isn't it 3 flame-outs your out?

    And if Mittens is the front-runner again, getting most of the attention, that just once again highlights how utterly unlikeable he is.

    But I guess one of these losers has to win...

    It's Newt's third flamin out (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 12:57:15 PM EST
    Sad I even know that :)  I am a product of America, luv a train wreck and all

    Which one did I miss? (none / 0) (#24)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:20:31 PM EST
    Flameout 1 was when his whole staff quite and he looked finished before he started, and Flameout 2 is in progress...what I miss?

    He was riding the thermals in Nov (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:32:31 PM EST
    too.  The guy isn't even on the Virginia ballot though or MO to my knowledge.  I think I read that current not on ballots standing in George Will's column.

    Oh ok, you're talking about his flameouts (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 04:00:31 PM EST
    THIS SEASON, not lifetime. I could count about 15 easy during his career.

    Newt makes The Mad Hungarian, Wild Thing, and Zippy the Pinhead look attractive as a closer.

    I hope he keeps his middle relief job, though... Like MT said, I love me a good slow-motion train wreck!


    LMAO (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 04:11:49 PM EST
    verywell said (none / 0) (#51)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 10:53:04 AM EST
    you know what the best part of Newts moon mission is?
    the very best, most Newt part?

    he promises to do all this by the end of his second term.

    think about that for a second.


    having said that (none / 0) (#52)
    by Capt Howdy on Sun Jan 29, 2012 at 10:54:25 AM EST
    the giddy kneejerk dismissal of the idea we should have an ambitious space programs bugs me a little.

    Watching Peter Hart right now talking about (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 12:54:49 PM EST
    NBC/WSJ polling....23 years old.  All the candidates are generically held by Americans negatively on the Republican side, and he says they have never seen that before.

    Duh, the Republicans have reached a pinnacle.

    From Santorum's magic not needing any money administration to Newt's colony on the moon while our children have no higher educations if they are lucky and no dinner and no healthcare if they unlucky as well, the leaders that the Republican base craves are psychopaths and sociopaths. And Romney will be their candidate, whether they like it or not. Because that is what the big money that has led them all around for decades by their noses while they spited their own faces says it's going to be.

    And for those of us not out of our freakin skulls, every single candidate they offer up is on a generic level, negatively held by the general population.

    I have no tears to shed for them (the Republican base), I only have tears for those they have broken in the process of them having to realize and come to terms with how horrible as human beings they are and how unacceptable they have become.

    That (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 02:30:58 PM EST
    is because people don't like conservative ideas anymore despite what ABG and other Obama apologists postulate around here.

    I find Noot's moon bill fascinating (none / 0) (#20)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:01:42 PM EST
    and far-seeing, as if the North-West Ordinance had been written in . . . 1491.

    Newt is replacing Manifest Destiny (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by observed on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 02:10:17 PM EST
    with Manifest Lunacy.
    At least no native lunatics will object if we display a colonial mindset towards the moon.
    And, quite possibly, Newt's Ph.D thesis on Belgian colonial education in the Congo may find its natural application through our nascent Department of Lunatic Education.

    Loonacy? (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 02:36:18 PM EST
    And they called Jerry Brown (none / 0) (#49)
    by MKS on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 03:19:15 PM EST
    Governor Moonbeam once upon a time....

    I'm going to have to use (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 03:02:46 PM EST
    your line, and with MT's spelling.  

    No offense intended to any Minnesotans reading this, who love their loons.  Including in politics.

    But in his defense, Noot no doubt would say that the North-West Ordinance, which was his model (if he did misspell it), famously banned slavery.  

    So we would not enslave moon rocks.  We just would take their land and deny them citizenship for a century and a half.

    I prefer the previous model, the pre-American era model for the middle of our country, the policies of mutual respect and coexistence practiced by the previous claimants for the French crown.  Of course, that would call for intermarriage with moon rocks.  And Noot can't have that.


    Greedy Towanda (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:10:56 PM EST
    50 states are just not enough for you you little Empress.

    Ha! Really, 50 states is sufficient (none / 0) (#22)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:13:47 PM EST
    for me.  I'd encourage Texas to secede and replace it with Puerto Rico first.  We have time to await the Moon colony achieving the population of Wyoming, which is the requirement in Noot's bill.

    Of course, we could accelerate that process by reducing the population of Wyoming.  To the Moon, Cheney!


    Wait! I thought there were 57 states? (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:19:13 PM EST
    Next you'll be telling me that Oregon is not a Great Lake State!

    It's easy to just lop Wyoming off (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 01:20:58 PM EST
    They only allow women to vote there so they could attain and retain statehood.  A little super PAC money should easily remind them of everything they gave up in getting to mostly worthless now statehood.

    It would be more profitable to be a lawless fraught territory at this time with all that coal.  Look at what Afghanistan gets.

    Move Puerto Rico in, and you don't even have to figure out where to stick that extra star :)

    But if the moon is only a territory, China could get it.  You heard the Newt.  I wonder if China would take the moon in lieu of payment?


    Ooooohhh (none / 0) (#32)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 02:44:38 PM EST
    And I was so hoping that these would go back into production...

    sigh, so much for simple pleasures....

    Newt Paper Doll

    From the description (none / 0) (#33)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 02:45:25 PM EST
    "Cut him out, dress him up, and let him preside!"

    LOL.  I mean, woe is me.


    I really liked the line (none / 0) (#35)
    by Towanda on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 03:04:58 PM EST
    about dressing him in bullwhips and black leather.

    So I'm really ticked that I can't "look inside this book."


    Baa waa waa (none / 0) (#41)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Jan 27, 2012 at 04:12:26 PM EST
    Newt can produce some good comedy.

    what happenes on tuesday is (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 09:02:54 AM EST
    going to tell us if the Kristols, Coulters, Humes of the party are in charge or if the Sara Palins, Fred Thompsons, and various tea party leaders are.

    the media assault on Newt has been unlike anything I ever remember seeing.  even for me it starts to come off a bit like propaganda so I wonder how it is received by its intended audience, presumably those considering supporting Newt, assuming they even see it.  personally if I was them I would have checked out of the media coverage around the time Ann Coulter started calling me a moron and a democrat.  which to varying degrees is what the all are doing.

    seems an odd strategy to me but I guess its worked before.  republicans fall in line.

    Sara Palins, Fred Thompsons (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 10:12:01 AM EST
    and the Bill O'Reilleys

    this is not an endorsement.  he is too smart for that.  more like a mash note.


    One (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 10:23:17 AM EST
    poster over at red state said he now knew how Howard Dean supporters felt back in 2004. I guess that's a pretty good analogy.

    its an analogy (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Sat Jan 28, 2012 at 10:40:02 AM EST
    but it like comparing the fourth of July to Hiroshima