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    WWII survivor and resistance fighter ... (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:59:55 AM EST
    ... strikes a nerve with his new book "Time for Outrage", urging young people to rise up and fight injustice.

    Good link Y (none / 0) (#10)
    by jondee on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 12:43:56 PM EST
    I heard him this morning on the radio. A mensch if there ever was a mensch.

    Love to meet him (none / 0) (#21)
    by Yman on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:45:30 PM EST
    Sounds like a great, courageous man.

    me too (none / 0) (#22)
    by sj on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:48:21 PM EST
    Pittsburgh Pigs PainCast Polity (5.00 / 0) (#3)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 11:31:04 AM EST
    Innocent Bystander Sues Pittsburgh Over Sonic Device At G20

    'A university professor suffered permanent damage to her hearing when Pittsburgh police used a giant speaker to disperse protesters during the Group of 20 economic summit two years ago, according to a federal lawsuit filed Wednesday.'

    '"The intensity of being hit at close range by a high-pitched sound blast designed to deter pirate boats and terrorists at least a quarter mile away is indescribable," Piper, now an English professor at the University of Missouri, said in an ACLU news release. "The sound causes pain throughout your body, not only in the ears. I thought I might die," said Piper who added she was shocked the "device was being promoted for use on American citizens and the general public."'

    I hope she bankrupts Pittsburgh... (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 11:36:07 AM EST
    That is seriously f*cked up.

    Unfortunately money and power are the only languages the state seems to understand, they don't speak basic humanity. It hasn't worked yet, but maybe when settlements for police and state brutality reach the billions it will wake people up and we start to hold the police and the state more accountable for their dirty.

    Not for nothing though, protest is an inalienable right, anybody who heard that sh*t was an "innocent bystander", whether they were protesting or walking to work.


    Sure, The Zillions Already Paid Has... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 12:32:32 PM EST
    ... really changed things.

    Until we start locking up the people behind the lawsuits, it will never change.  Kdog, your money isn't going to change how I act.  If I kick someone in the groin and you have to pay, I'm gonna keep on kicking, I might even get me some steel-toed boots.

    I would say there is a better chance of tort reform to minimize the payouts, then the police changing their behavior.

    People love Sheriff Joe, he's a GD republican icon, and he cost that county millions, if not tens of millions in lawsuits.  Until they toss him in jail he will not stop.  The votes sure aren't going to let him go.

    Giving help to people in need is practically treasonous, but millions going out because Sheriff Joe's department mistreated a quadriplegic to the tune of millions is fine and dandy.  I'd be surprise if anyone was even written up.

    The good news, those cops in Cali got charged over the death of that homeless guy.  their brutality has been stopped before the a lawsuit was filed.


    I hear ya... (none / 0) (#12)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 12:54:24 PM EST
    Wishful thinking...I just wish it came up when the state cries poverty and cuts sh*t we actually like that actually helps people.

    Then again, in this nation of bootlickers, we'd blame the civil lawyers who get the abused some monetary justice, and demand that tort reform.

    Good news indeed from Cali, but I won't hold my breath for a conviction.


    How 'bout... (none / 0) (#17)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:19:13 PM EST
    a policy where all police brutality settlements come directly out of the police budget?  

    Nah, they'll just perform more shady asset forfeiture to make up the difference.  We can't win.


    yea (none / 0) (#18)
    by CST on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:21:59 PM EST
    the people who will end up paying the price for this are the people who end up having their bus line service cut for lack of funds.

    I bring that up because it seemed like every year I was in Pittsburgh they considered eliminating public transportation due to lack of funds.  Instead they just cut services most years.

    I'm not saying that this person is wrong to sue, if they can't hear anymore that's a serious issue.  But this is a lose - lose scenario.


    Well to quote Elizabeth Warren (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:32:51 PM EST
    "The way you fix this problem is to stop doing those things."

    IOW do not subject your citizens to Sonic devices etc.


    And if you're broke... (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:57:45 PM EST
    don't buy sonic torture devices in the first place!  How is that a priority over adequate public transportation?  Who manufacturers the torture device and who are they lobbying?

    Like I said, can't win, born to lose even.


    Yup - seems there is always enough (5.00 / 3) (#25)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 02:36:49 PM EST
    money for law enforcement hardware. Probably homeland security dept funding.

    Probably right... (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:33:47 PM EST
    and I'm guessing the lobby that lobbied for increased homeland security funding to sell more sonic torture devices would object to Pittsburgh putting that money towards something, call me crazy, positive.  

    Take the Ear Bleeder 3000 or leave it Pittsburgh! You're still not getting increased any more federal help with your bus system...whaddya think we're in this for the public good?  Get to jackbooting your people!



    kdog, my brother, you made my night! (none / 0) (#73)
    by easilydistracted on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:04:56 PM EST
    ...the Ear Bleeder 3000...

    I needed laugh after a reaaaal long day. You delivered.


    yup, me too. thanks kdog! (none / 0) (#95)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 09:57:52 AM EST
    Off Topic (none / 0) (#101)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:28:50 AM EST
    I saw something on the history channel about new non technologies for law fighting bad guys.

    They had this devise on the show, for the high seas it's perfect, they aim it at a suspicions craft in way off distance, so far it's barely audible.  And that's the beauty of it, even if a mistake is made, and they aim it as say a fisherman, the fisherman can turn as the sound increases.  

    And if the bad guys wanna take their chances, the wave length emitted not only causes pain, it does something to the receiver's sense of balance, so disorienting that standing is problematic, and firing a weapon accurately an impossibility.  It's perfect for that application.

    But like all companies, profits work themselves into the equation and all of a sudden you got some slimy sales guy expanding the market and making claims that are are reaching at best.  And doing it to people who love flexing their authority, especially when that flex doesn't involve breaking a sweat.

    What could go wrong ?

    How anyone would think this was a devise for densely populated areas is beyond stupid.  Not only because at super close ranges it's dangerous, but sound is pretty damn unpredictable in a city, they could end up incapacitating one of their own down the block or some old lady with an open window while she's on the stairs.  Maybe not, but it's unpredictable and I am positive the operators don't know enough about sound wave reflection and reverberation to understand the risks.


    We might be asking the wrong questions (none / 0) (#110)
    by sj on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:11:48 PM EST
    Maybe we shouldn't be asking "is this device safe for the population" but rather "will this device help put down an insurrection".

    What do you think about it now?


    As a Pittsburgh resident (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by smott on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:24:57 AM EST
    The police behavior during G20 was shocking.
    Pittsburgh became essentially a police state for a week or two.
    All of downtown was completely shut down, with many smaller businesses told they had to shutter their doors for 1-2 weeks. That's enough to put a small business on the edge, over the edge, 2 weeks' lost revenue.

    Downtown looked like an occupied war zone with copsw assault rifles on every corner.

    In mid-town where our Universities are, there was some student unrest and that is where the worst police behavior occurred.

    ACLU is on it and there's more than one case...


    I'm not sure I hope they bankrupt Pgh, but it was truly a shocking couple of weeks. We do not particularly have a rep for aggressive cops here, but it was like the event gave them license to become thugs.

    They arrested many students in mid-town by telling them to go in one direction to disperse, then, when the students complied, catching them in a "scissors move" with another force of cops coming from the flank.

    Just disgraceful.


    The flip side: Cops penalized for being nice (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 11:56:02 AM EST
    Four New York Cops were tossing around a football with some kids at a housing project.  Their reward for this impromptu outreach was to be charged with misconduct and disciplinary hearings.


    Saw that... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 12:02:13 PM EST
    the second recent instance of NYPD brass having no clue about building a rapport with the communities they are meant to protect and serve.

    Another Instance of an Out of Control Cop (none / 0) (#9)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 12:43:18 PM EST
    This was done from w/i, just another idiotic cop acting a fool, which in this case was penalizing his subordinates needlessly.

    There must have been a shortage of indigent black men to F with that day.


    Got my Hurricane Irene bonus! (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 11:59:32 AM EST
    4 tix for Lindsey Buckingham next Tuesday, courtesy of the coolest of my several bosses.

    Not the wad of cashish I was hoping for, but its the next best thing, some good time rock-n-roll music.  

    Next week is now a monster, Lindsey then Elvis Costello on Friday...woo-hoo!  The fall concert series will begin in earnest.

    Wow, two great shows (none / 0) (#97)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 09:58:22 AM EST

    US losing influence at UN? (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 12:47:09 PM EST
    Sarkozy steps up

    A last-ditch American effort to head off a Palestinian bid for membership in the United Nations faltered. President Obama tried to qualify his own call, just a year ago, for a Palestinian state. And President Nicolas Sarkozy of France stepped forcefully into the void, with a proposal that pointedly repudiated Mr. Obama's approach.

    The extraordinary tableau Wednesday at the United Nations underscored a stark new reality: the United States is facing the prospect of having to share, or even cede, its decades-long role as the architect of Middle East peacemaking.

    "middle east" "peacemaking" (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:05:53 PM EST
    gee, and we'd been doing such a great job.

    Just a thank you note from Nic (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by KeysDan on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 02:42:53 PM EST
    for our bloodbath prevention in Libya, and to keep the oil flowing to Europe in the way David Cameron, Nic Sarkozy and Bernardo Bertolucci wanted.  And, the NATO authorization to bomb Libya so as to prevent a bloodbath and protect civilians has been extended for another 90 days, since the non-hostilties remain hostile and are not over just yet.

    Well, it will be interesting (none / 0) (#24)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 02:31:32 PM EST
    to see if the US vetoes the whole membership thing via the Security Council.  I'm betting we will, after a lot of weasel words from the Administration.

    Seniors should work longer (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 12:54:36 PM EST
    to protect their children and grandchildren. How is that working out in the real world even now.

    New 2010 census data released Thursday show the wrenching impact of a recession that officially ended in mid-2009. It highlights the missed opportunities and dim prospects for a generation of mostly 20-somethings and 30-somethings coming of age in a prolonged slump with high unemployment.

    "We have a monster jobs problem, and young people are the biggest losers," said Andrew Sum, an economist and director of the Center for Labor Market Studies at Northeastern University. He noted that for recent college grads now getting by with waitressing, bartending and odd jobs, they will have to compete with new graduates for entry-level career positions when the job market eventually does improve.

    "Their really high levels of underemployment and unemployment will haunt young people for at least another decade," Sum said.
    Seniors 65 and older tended to return to or stay put in their jobs, accounting for the few U.S. employment gains in recent months. About 1 in 6 older Americans is now in the labor force -- the highest level since the 1960s, before more generous Social Security and Medicare benefits made it more attractive to retire. link

    Let's scare more seniors into staying in the work force and move to implementing policies that guarantee more seniors will hang onto their jobs if possible. Unemployed or underemployed young children or grand children are paying for D.C. decisions as we speak.

    Hate to break it to people, the confidence faire does not exist.  

    "young people are the biggest losers," (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:11:00 PM EST
    yeah, well don't feel to sorry for them.  all that free time means they can use their younger, more limber bodies to have better sex, so f'em.

    this (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by CST on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:25:22 PM EST
    is hilarious.

    Although taking someone home to mom and dad's house might be a bit awkward.


    (channeling Doctor Smith) (none / 0) (#16)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 01:11:53 PM EST
    "Ohhh, the pain..."

    House Dems (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 02:50:18 PM EST
    Introduce a bill to overturn Citizens United decision

    A pair of House Democrats introduced legislation Tuesday to overturn the Supreme Court's 2010 Citizens United ruling that freed corporations to spend unlimited money on elections.

    Sponsored by Reps. John Conyers (Mich.), senior Democrat on the House Judiciary Committee, and Donna Edwards (D-Md.), the proposal would amend the Constitution to empower Congress and the states to limit corporate spending on political activities.

    "Last year, the Supreme Court overturned decades of law and declared open season on our democracy," Conyers said in a news release. "It is individual voters who should determine the future of this nation, not corporate money."

    It wopn't succeed, of course, being a constitutional amendment, but I applaud the fact that someone is trying.

    11 out of 50 Dem Senators (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:23:44 PM EST
    Merkley, Senate Democrats Want CBO to Score Jobs Impact of Super Committee Recommendations

    Why 11 Democratic Senators and not 50 (all of them, less the three on the Super Committee) signed this effort spearheaded by Jeff Merkley is beyond me, but if more sign on it could be a crucial factor in actually pivoting away from deficit talk and toward jobs.

    A group of senators today urged the Co-Chairs of the Joint Select Committee on Deficit Reduction to take steps to ensure that Congress and the public get an independent estimate of their proposal's impact on jobs - and do no harm to employment in America.
    Senators signing are: Jeff Merkley (OR), Richard Blumenthal (CT), Sheldon Whitehouse (RI), Barbara Boxer (CA), Bernie Sanders (VT), Daniel Akaka (HA), Bob Menendez (NJ), Sherrod Brown (OH), Al Franken (MN), Mark Begich (AK), and Frank Lautenberg (NJ).

    What a surprise. My sweet Claire's name is not on that list. No need for her to worry her beautiful mind about something like that.

    Indeed, the African-American jobless rate in greater Saint Louis was ranked third-worse among the nation's top fifty metropolitan areas.

    You will find her name on every letter to the president asking him to go big on cutting the deficit (i.e. cut domestic and safety net programs). What a great champion of the people of Missouri.

    Maybe (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:07:36 PM EST
    Your sweet Claire will regret it when she, too, joins he unemployed.

    I'm sure a lucrative position (none / 0) (#55)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:38:22 PM EST
    once she leaves office will be her reward for all of her fine work. Unemployment insurance of a completely different type is normally available for those who help their savvy friends when in office.  

    I just finished one of the greatest books (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:14:51 PM EST
    I have ever read, The History of Love by Nicole Krauss. "Brilliant" is a word I rarely use about artists of any kind, but I'm going to break my habit: Nicole Krauss is brilliant. And the fact that she was only 30 years old when she wrote this little masterpiece... what can I say?

    It's either going to inspire me to keep at it and write better, or I'm going to convince myself to give up on writing altogether, and, instead, devote my energies to another creative outlet.

    Blogging? (none / 0) (#53)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:17:31 PM EST
    Ha! I did that for a couple of years (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:34:09 PM EST
    and now occasionally toy with doing a different kind of blog, something non-political, almost exclusively music-related. But I've been working on fiction writing for a few years and... I had more success playing music! There are as many writers out there as there are guitar players. Everybody and his brother, a dime a dozen. But in all seriousness, I recommend the Krauss book very, very highly. I'm probably going to read the whole thing again in about two weeks. From the first sentence to the last, I was thoroughly enthralled.

    I read that book! (none / 0) (#64)
    by sj on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 07:28:58 PM EST
    A few years ago.  For the book club I was then, maybe?  Apparently it didn't make that much of an impression on me.

    I am a total Visigoth when it comes to reading material.  

    Although I did download Ron Suskind's book.


    It's all subjective (none / 0) (#74)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:05:05 PM EST
    I hate most of John Irving's books, while friends seem to love them...(They won't be able to convince me, however. I suffered through Widow For One Year and couldn't stop wondering where the heck the editor was.)

    I plan to read the Suskind book soon! I've never doubted his research or his sources. If I recall correctly, it was early 2004 when I read Paul O'Neill's book, Molly Ivins's book, and Ron Suskind's book all in the same few weeks.


    The only two books by Irving I could get (none / 0) (#76)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:22:40 PM EST
    all the way through were Cider House Rules and A Prayer for Owen Meany, and I didn't get through them easily.

    The Suskind book is good, but I have to keep stopping to ponder the magnitude of what was happening, and how freaking blind we were to it.

    And, as I read along, I realize that the whole "hostile workplace" brouhaha of the last couple days is, while not unimportant, truly the least of what should be being paid attention to.

    Throw into the mix the news that the savvy businessmen who got us into this mess are, slowly and steadily, deconstructing Dodd-Frank so they can go back to doing the same kinds they were doing before.

    I don't know what's bigger than "mind-boggling," but I think that's my overall reaction.


    Dodd-Frank was designed to be (none / 0) (#79)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:54:26 PM EST

    Texas Eliminates Last Meal Requests (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Bratrios on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 08:51:34 PM EST

    American civilization continues its decline.


    Isn't that something? (none / 0) (#71)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 09:12:36 PM EST
    And shamefully, it was a state legislator with a D after his name who demanded it.

    Have to appreciate this judge's attitude (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 08:55:45 PM EST
    WASHINGTON (AP) -- Two days after repeal of the "don't ask, don't tell" policy against gays serving openly in the military, the Obama administration was in court Thursday opposing a lawsuit seeking full severance pay for those dismissed under the law.
    Judge Christine Odell Cook Miller said she probably will let the case continue and questioned why the government wouldn't pay now that the law has changed.

    "Your timing is exquisite -- two days after the policy goes into effect eliminating 'don't ask, don't tell,' here we are," she said as she took the bench.

    "I would consider this to be an unenviable argument to have at this time," she told the government's attorney later.
    Miller said she would issue a ruling on the government's motion to dismiss by Oct. 15 after full review of the Justice Department's arguments, but her preliminary decision was to deny the motion. She warned Preheim and a uniformed Air Force attorney also at the defense table that they should be prepared for the case to move forward. She said it's probably appropriate to certify it for class action status, if the government really thinks it's worth it to continue fighting the case.

    "I can't believe this is something the military wants to revisit now," she said. link

    Maybe the government could reduce the deficit by stop passing and then defending stupid laws.

    Words from Hemingway... (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 04:11:03 AM EST
    with the gender changed. These are Pilar's words, but I think in 2011, they work as I've changed as well... Ernest was so brilliant... I'm glad I'm revisiting him. I can hear it in Spanish... I wonder if he wrote his dialogue in Spanish then transliterated as much as possible?

     "For Whom the Bell Tolls," Pilar, talking to Maria. Gender changed to reflect 2011.

    "Look at the ugliness. Yet one has a feeling within one that blinds a woman while she loves you. You, with that feeling, blind her, and blind yourself. Then, one day, for no reason, she sees you as ugly as you really are and she is not blind anymore and then you see yourself as ugly as she sees you and you lose your woman and your feeling... After a while, when you are as ugly as I am, as ugly as men can be, then, as I say after a while the feeling, the idiotic feeling that you are beautiful, grows slowly in one again. It grows like a cabbage. And then, when the feeling is grown, another woman sees you and thinks you are beautiful and it is all to do over."

    Poor Joshua (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:23:00 AM EST
    When he turned in his Natural Gas essay he had to go to a doctors appointment while the class was choosing the essays to send in for the competition.  He is very competitive, so he was upset about not being able to see which essays were voted on and picked.

    I asked him the next day who was picked and he said that he didn't know put he was certain it wasn't him, everybody's was better than his he thought, as they were being read in class when I went to get him and he had heard some of the others.

    I forgot about it until his teacher called last week and asked me to swing by and sign a release for Josh's essay since it was one that was chosen.  I was surprised, but Josh has so much going between school and doctors and physical therapy I can see why he would have missed finding out.  This morning his dad came home with an invitation to a special luncheon that the school has once a month for the best writer of the month in each class.  Poor Josh won with his Natural Gas essay.  It just seems so unfair to win stuff for him taking a stand and writing about something he doesn't even think he believes in.  It's just wrong in a way that the world is so often wrong in :)

    I guess you and Josh (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:31:36 AM EST
    could view it from a different prospective. Josh could be exploring a career as a fiction writer and the Natural Gas essay was only practice.

    Congratulations on Josh being very good at writing essays.  


    Another thought (5.00 / 2) (#92)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:48:19 AM EST
    When Josh is older and in a different (freer) environment, he could write about how the Natural Gas industry uses financial awards to indoctrinate school children at an early age.  

    Good point (none / 0) (#91)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:37:50 AM EST
    He won this award once last year too for writing a very descriptive sentence when that was the assignment. His sentence was something about a snake coiled around his principal while it sank its fangs into her.  It was very good, he had great adjectives.  Of course the other kids loved it, he said especially the boys.

    Maybe he'll be a politician? Or a (none / 0) (#108)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 11:53:55 AM EST
    politician's speech writer?  Anyway,  congrats Josh.

    I will tell him you said congratulations (none / 0) (#116)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 01:45:26 PM EST
    He says now that he wants to be a comedian.

    Same thing as a political speech writer (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 01:59:55 PM EST
    But aren't all comedians severely depressed? (none / 0) (#118)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:09:56 PM EST
    I read it in a newspaper so it must be true.

    Are they? (none / 0) (#119)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:12:01 PM EST
    Tosh says he has severe social anxiety disorder.

    I googled (none / 0) (#120)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:17:17 PM EST
    Makes me feel so broken, one of the first things that came up was the link between mental disorders and creativity.  I have SAD but down here it is in remission I guess.  January and February are horrible for me though in Colorado or Wyoming, and Canada in the winter is not an option for me. I can only ever visit Seattle.  But that was one of the things they tried to tell me to cheer me up when they figured out why I just checked out of real life every January.  It didn't really help knowing that the reason why I draw and paint well is because I'm broken :)

    Not broken... (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:23:28 PM EST
    you see the world differently.

    Like Modigliani ? (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:53:27 PM EST
    Just kidding, almost all the women in my family have it on my mom's side but most try to hide it.  I hope it is better for my generation but my female cousins still resist admitting it and getting proper treatment from those who study the science of it.  My daughter has it too.  I don't know if my granddaughters will have it and living down here we are mostly not responding to the seasons.

    I refuse to accept only severely depressed (5.00 / 1) (#122)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:24:40 PM EST
    people are creative and if they become not severely depressed through intervention they lose their creativity.  

    There have been some relatively poor (5.00 / 1) (#131)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:10:20 PM EST
    studies examining the link... here's the problem... all the folks who AREN'T creative who are depressed.

    When it comes to comedians, most measure fairly high on an anger-aggression scale... listen to some of the most famous, it does bleed through, sometimes screams through!

    I seem to recall an interesting study from about 20-25 years ago examining bipolar and creativity... but it looked at folks already famous for their art or writing. Can't say... I'd be willing to bet if I went in Google Scholar I could find some... but nah, it's too pretty a day, and I think a nap might be calling me.

    My problem has been the ADD/ADHD issues. I was finally diagnosed some three years ago... and when I began asking about certain behaviors, such as running off at the mouth, just to give an example, I found that it's considered a symptom. I  thought for years I was just a troublemaker. My evaluating officers thought so too...

    My favorite ADHD type poem:

    I Meant To Do My Work Today

    by Richard LeGallienne

    I meant to do my work today,
    But a brown bird sang in the apple tree,
    And a butterfly flitted across the field,
    And all the leaves were calling me.
    And the wind went sighing over the land,
    Tossing the grasses to and fro,
    And a rainbow held out its shining hand,
    So what could I do but laugh and go?

    Hmmm, the more I think of this... (none / 0) (#135)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:18:10 PM EST
    No, not all creative people are seriously depressed. But a significant number of those considered gifted in the arts and/or literature have suffered from an array of issues, from depression to alcoholism/substance abuse, and certain psychological disorders...

    Not saying one has to be depressed to be creative, but there's some interplay going on there...

    maybe like this
                    Precipitating event(s)--> creative outlets and depressive symptoms at the same time... I think of trauma, or PTSD as a possible example.  

    Darn it, now I'm getting interested. Time to look for some research!


    William Styron. (I haven't read his (none / 0) (#138)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:24:24 PM EST
    writings on the subject of himself though.

    Additional sacrifices for ordinary people (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 09:48:45 AM EST
    to pay for more "free money" to 16 European banks.

    More free money for incompetent rich a$$holes.

    The EU internal markets commissioner, Michel Barnier, said the 16 banks that nearly failed the stress tests "are judged to be fragile and must also be strengthened further. We want the recapitalization for these banks to be by private means. The era of bailing out banks must end. But I cannot, of course, exclude the possibility that some of the above banks will require state aid. Atrios

    The banks have to be Nationalized (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 09:58:20 AM EST
    for awhile.  But they won't be.  I'm at the part of the Suskind book where I will find out why that did not happen and I will probably learn why that will never happen until there is another even worse crisis.

    You and I will be living on the street (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:12:17 AM EST
    and picking our food out of garage cans long before the governments stop diverting money from ordinary people to "free money" to propp up failing banks.

    follow the leader (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:53:39 PM EST
    Audience members boo a gay service member honorably serving while every republican presidential candidate stands in silence.  

    Leadership or cowardice?

    actually (5.00 / 2) (#115)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 01:30:31 PM EST
    they stood quiet when they cheered the death penalty, stood quiet when they yelled "let him die" and they stood quiet whilst a volunteer soldier in war torn Iraq was booed.

    Leading from behind, the right version....


    too much emphasis on the crowds (none / 0) (#130)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:07:07 PM EST
    behavior, not those who stood by and did nothing.  Why is that???

    If ten teachers stood by while 50 kids called one kid a homo, would the networks, papers, politicians etc be silent on the teachers' lack of saying or doing something?

    Look at the picture.  The only person who seems bothered by the boos is Gingrich!  the rest are smiling, looking at their shoes, writing, anything other than saying "how dare you boo a person in combat!"  

    Even Scooter Libby would have said something....  


    Some of the conservative blogs (none / 0) (#132)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:11:01 PM EST
    Are not happy with the crowd outbursts either.

    Of course, we assume that the outbursts are done by people who actually feel that way, as opposed to someone there to start trouble and make it appear that the crowd feels that way (MoveOn plant?)

    But you're right - a leader would have spoken up (although ticked off the crowd)


    i don't care about the blogs (5.00 / 1) (#136)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:20:55 PM EST
    being ticked off.  The fact that the media keeps talking about the crowds behavior without any critical observations of the silence of the candidates is consistent with cowardice squared.  

    Cowardice from the media for not reporting.
    Cowardice of the candidates for saying nothing.

    Cowards is as cowards does.


    On another blog this morning (none / 0) (#2)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 11:09:20 AM EST
    in a thread about Troy Davis, I saw a suggestion for Obama for a new 2012 campaign slogan...

    "A fish rots from the head down."

    Reminded me of the old truism "You never get a second chance to make a good first impression".

    What would you have had him do? (none / 0) (#133)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:11:47 PM EST
    Boehner (none / 0) (#27)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 02:43:32 PM EST
    Chastises conservatives for voting to "spend more money"

    House Speaker John Boehner (R-Ohio) delivered a tough message to conservatives who rejected his government funding bill on Wednesday: You voted to spend more money.

    Four dozen House Republicans broke ranks and opposed a stopgap spending measure, killing the bill after Democrats pulled their support. GOP leaders are now scrambling to rewrite the measure, and Boehner hinted on Thursday that Republicans would not end up with more spending cuts as a result.

    "They could vote 'no,' but what they're in essence doing is they are voting to spend more money, because that's exactly what will happen," Boehner told reporters when asked for his message to conservatives who deserted him.

    The vote gave leverage to Democrats who want more federal disaster funding and oppose cuts to an energy program in the bill.

    A (slim) majority (none / 0) (#29)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:21:10 PM EST
    Of those in California still oppose legalizing marijuana.

    The Public Policy Institute of California, in a new statewide survey released Thursday, showed that 51% of voters oppose legalizing marijuana while 46% favor it.


    In the most recent survey, the San Francisco area was the only part of California that favored legalization. Most respondents in Southern California opposed it.

    Supreme Court (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:32:32 PM EST
    When the Supreme Court denied Troy Davis yesterday, all I found was that the petition was given to Clarence Thomas and he presented it to the other members.

    I couldn't find information about who voted which way.

    Alito, Thomas... I can predict...

    but I am curious about the rest, particularly Sotomayor and Kagan.

    Does anyone know?

    No one dissented. (none / 0) (#32)
    by me only on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:47:11 PM EST
    Ai (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:49:27 PM EST
    Yi Yi.

    So much... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:50:43 PM EST
    for Supreme Court appointments being soooo important that we have no choice but to vote slightly lesser evil.

    Yes... (none / 0) (#45)
    by lentinel on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:45:23 PM EST
    Kdog, that was my thought exactly...

    Well, since it takes four (none / 0) (#34)
    by scribe on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:50:05 PM EST
    to grant cert, and since we know how five will vote (against cert), then it stands to reason that because cert was not granted there were not four votes, and therefore at least one of the four who are not part of the five who would never vote for cert, voted with those five.

    Not surprising (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:55:46 PM EST
    Sicne the SC already denied his final substantive appeal earlier this year.

    Please don't confuse us with factoids. (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 11:40:07 AM EST
    And we care what they think! (none / 0) (#36)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 03:55:14 PM EST
    Indiana Gov. Mitch Daniels (R), who once served as a top budget official to President George W. Bush, is denying that the wars in Afghanistan and Iraq have seriously contributed to the federal budget deficit.

    He also is quoted as saying it wasn't useful to look backwards either. (I believe we should look back. How else are we to learn from mistakes).

    And still there are people out there that think the Republicans have the plan to fix the economy!

    After the disaster they made of the economy, they should have been excluded from the table when Obama took over.

    Maybe this Indiana (none / 0) (#39)
    by christinep on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:12:54 PM EST
    of Mitch Daniels(R) is a planet far away, near the onetime planet Pluto. Maybe, on that planet, the costs of wars do not count and a special currency is used to fund them.

    We have been ignoring (none / 0) (#40)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:17:55 PM EST
    George Santayana for years:  "Those who cannot remember the past are condemned to repeat it."  On the other hand, we also must remember that, shortly after Obama took office, he said that he was reluctant to investigate the Bush administration on "domestic eavesdropping or the treatment of terrorism suspects" because "we need to look forward as opposed to looking backwards."
    It seems that both parties are unwilling to "look backwards."

    A possible distinction, Zorba (none / 0) (#43)
    by christinep on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:29:09 PM EST
    The Santayana statement may be prescriptive & not proscriptive. I.e., the famous quote instructs & cautious (in my paraphrase) that repeating something/doing something that clearly didn't work before or failed before doesn't make much sense. As so many have referenced another adage about "hitting one's head against the wall."  That we didn't bring the Bushies to justice at the outset may be more a matter of marshalling resources...by not taking the majority of available resources away from the problems of the present.

    Chrisitnep, (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:36:42 PM EST
    I respectfully must disagree with you on this point.  That Obama might have thought he was marshaling resources, and that you might agree with that, I understand.  But I cannot agree with or condone anyone who ignores past human rights abuses for a matter of expediency, or "marshaling resources," or whatever.  I don't believe that the Geneva Conventions allow for a delay (and it's been quite a delay, at this point) because of "priorities" or lack of "resources" or whatever.  Justice delayed is justice denied.  I'm afraid we're going to have to agree to disagree on this one.  

    I respect that, Zorba (none / 0) (#47)
    by christinep on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:58:46 PM EST
    To tell you the truth, I would have preferred a path that would have pursued a court justice-based result.  Perhaps, the historians will have the final say...as they almost always do.

    Perhaps they will (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:06:22 PM EST
    All I can think of at this point is that World War II in Europe ended in May, 1945, and despite all that the Allies had to do afterwards, the Nuremberg Trials began in November, 1945.  Six months.

    Nah Christine, it wasn't a question (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by brodie on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:00:36 PM EST
    of marshaling resources but more to do with this president's aversion to conflict to go with his well documented desire enunciated often in the campaign, to bring an end to all the "partisan squabbling" in DC.  

    It shouldn't have been a great surprise to anyone paying attention in 2008 that this olive branch extending, and rather mild mannered fellow known as No Drama Obama wasn't going to suddenly go Vince Bugliosi on the Bushies.

    It actually would have been all the more radical had he done so given the forty year tradition of Dems getting to the WH and proceeding to ignore or forgive the crimes of their Repub predecessors.


    And for anyone who actually paid attention (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jbindc on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:05:39 PM EST
    That should have been obvious.  No new president of either party, is going to go after the old guy, because the new president has no idea what he/she will be called on in the future to do and if those actions will make the next president go after him / her.

    Call it "professional courtesy" or "self preservation".

    The fact that people actually believed Obama would go after the Bushies just frightens me at how terribly naive those people were (even though many of them liked to think they were smarter than everybody else).


    Pragmatism (5.00 / 2) (#56)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 05:44:58 PM EST
    Not a good idea to go after the old guy legally for his policies if you plan to continue and expand them. People might get the impression that those actions were unconstitutional or illegal. Definitely can't have that.  

    Which is exactly why (5.00 / 2) (#70)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 09:08:31 PM EST
    Congress should have impeached the %@#$^%^ while he was still in office.

    Well yes, (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 08:22:53 AM EST
    if the country was serious about stopping the president being above the law, that is what we needed to do. Unfortunately, the politicians, the pundits, bloggers and many Democratic voters did not think it was pragmatic.

    This so called pragmatism will wind up to be the death of this country yet.


    Between a shattered economy (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:08:25 PM EST
    and debt ceiling fights while we are under the thumnb of an economy based on nothing but confidence....nothing fundamental, we are Soooooooo Screwed.

    I was just reading Digby (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by ruffian on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 08:19:08 PM EST
    too depressing for words, and realized that back in the 80's when I thought the country was so far off the rails it would get steadily worse and never get set right in my lifetime......I was not being overly dramatic.

    The Ron Suskind book is very good (none / 0) (#42)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:24:26 PM EST
    I was busy busy today and only got down to the middle of chapter 5.  He writes 360 degrees. No wonder the White House is upset about this book, how you can be pissed at someone who is honest about everything that is wrong with you when they are honest about everything that is right about you?

    But with the economic crisis, this isn't a good time to be wrong or arrogant about certain things.  Gotta say though, I feel guilty for my own support of the system that fed me cheap credit until we vomit it and it is worth nothing now.  You can throw all the money you want at our financial infrastructure......our business ethics, goals, and practices will not use it to fix $hit for anyone but themselves and they have so much free credit they vomit it now.

    According to my Kindle (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by lilburro on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 04:47:21 PM EST
    I'm at 26%.  I don't know what that means page wise, and that's one of the mysteries of Kindle that is kind of amusing.  I swear I'm reading another book on it right now that is 3000 pages long.  At least.

    I am at the part covering Obama's selection of his economic team in Nov 2008.  One of the interesting things about it so far is as far as the politics go, there's nothing surprising.  I'm basically surprised at how unsurprised I am about the events retold in this book.  It is basically about the Obama Administration's attitude that for Wall St to work you can't change it, you have to appease it.  That's not really news, and if the Obama team thinks we didn't already know that, they're pretty dull.

    So far, the scandal is Paulson and Geithner from the end of 2007 to the election.  And of course Wall St executives (with the exception of about 2) having no motivation except pure self-interest.


    You are exactly where I am (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 06:28:11 PM EST
    I focused on dinner, langostino etouffee.  Heh, it took everything I could muster to attempt to get it to taste right and then I finally gave up and hollered for my husband to get in here and make this taste right.  If only they would leave the room for Gears of War III and then I could get back to the book without so obviously blowing them off.  I foisted my computer playing audible into bed last night with a small reading light.  Didn't get to sleep until past midnight, and then only because I kept reminding myself that I had to take Josh to school and then I had promised to take the grandgirls to get evil vaccinations that the serious NeeNee is merciless about getting.  It is very well written.

    This may interest you (5.00 / 2) (#93)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 09:14:59 AM EST
    On Dunn's claim that Suskind took her words out of context.

    * Ron Suskind looks fine on the Anita Dunn quote controversy, as she requested that the first half of the quote be chopped. The larger issue from the book is a refinement of Obama's ideas about economic policy, character issues of the major White House players aside. dday

    From the WaPo column linked above:

    The quote was originally uttered in a long telephone conversation in April. Once he had a manuscript in hand, in the summer, Suskind called Dunn back and explained what he was prepared to publish. Dunn was the one who took issue with the preamble -- as it turns out, her husband was serving as White House counsel while she was communications director, and so she didn't want to be making a comment about actionable conditions at the workplace given her husband's role. So she petitioned Suskind to replace the preamble with the "looking back" treatment that's now in print.

    Maybe a better way to determine Dunn's intent is to consider what she said in the moments before saying this controversial passage. In other words, what triggered her thought about having confided in Jarrett about the hostile workplace? "What preceded the quote was the discussion where she pointed out that senior officials were saying `f-you' a lot to the women." At that point, Suskind and Dunn agreed that it's not 1970 anymore -- then Dunn launched into her now-famous quote.

    The president's handling of the economy is the big story but the WH, with the assistance of Dunn, is trying to discredit Suskind on with this issue.

    BTW, as an aside, I can't wait for our resident TL commentator to weave a fictional scenario that completes discards what is captured on tape.



    The outrage is about (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:15:39 AM EST
    being a PUMA seeking revenge and has nothing to do with how many times we as women have been talked over and cursed at for saying something when the chips were down and a crisis loomed....only to get further down the road and the big wreck....and gee, we were right.

    Larry Summers in the book said that what was going on in the economy and the disparity was that "the market" was actually pricing all of us now for what we were really worth.  Can you believe that vile phuck said that about the unemployment and the wage disparity?  That man is such a PIG!  And if it were true, why isn't he pushing a shopping cart around downtown New York going through dumpsters for dinner after what he did to Harvard's endowment?  How can he be worth more than an airline pilot or a physician's assistant or a school teacher or a ground zero first responder?  He is a POS.


    Shoephone: how about a (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 06:34:07 PM EST
    review of Krauss' book?

    OK, let me eat dinner first (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 09:56:12 PM EST
    Then I'll come back and put together a mini review for you.

    Why were only two of the (none / 0) (#60)
    by caseyOR on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 06:46:28 PM EST
    police officers indicted? My understanding is that all six had a hand in beating this man to death. Why did the other four get off scot free?

    Hey it's debates night.....yeah? (none / 0) (#61)
    by loveed on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 06:50:39 PM EST
     Locked here in the hospital, what else can I do?

     As predicted before this a three man race. Perry may still be out by Oct.1st

     Here's a little news.

      http://abcnews.go.com/blogs/politics/2011/09/jon-huntsman-jumps-to-third-place-in-new-hampshire-poll /

    Hope you go home soon (none / 0) (#62)
    by Dadler on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 07:00:15 PM EST
    Sending good vibes.

    Fingers crossed - thank you (none / 0) (#69)
    by loveed on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 09:01:02 PM EST
     Found out today I may end up on disability. Will worry about that on Monday.

     Will if perry felt like a pinede before, I guess he feels like a test car dummy. Kinda look like one to.


    Hey, now is not the time (none / 0) (#75)
    by easilydistracted on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:20:46 PM EST
    for dwelling on Gov Good Hair. Focus on healing so you can get out of that place. Good Luck

    never been in the hospital (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by loveed on Sat Sep 24, 2011 at 01:47:18 AM EST
    Except to give birth. It will be strange going home
    without one (LOL)

    do feel better. (none / 0) (#123)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:25:13 PM EST
    Hospitals can be boring. No wonder people get sick there. Seriously.

    The photograph of what they did (none / 0) (#66)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 08:49:42 PM EST
    to that poor man is truly horrifying. We are a very violent country. And yet, we often tend to feel justified in calling people from other countries barbarians.  


    Barnett defended one of the the Rodney King (none / 0) (#77)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:41:31 PM EST
    cops.  His client iirc was the only one to win both criminal cases....

    Barnett is a seriously intense guy.  

    I am surprised the Orange County DAs have taken this case.....The prosecution will likely lose.   In another case like this where the defendant in custody was repeatedly tased while handcuffed, the jury acquitted.

    The Defense should keep the case (none / 0) (#78)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:46:44 PM EST
    in Orange County.  San Franciso or the Bay Area would be less likely to defer to the cops than Orange County.

    Orange County juries are easy on cops.

    The Orange County Sheriffs too (none / 0) (#80)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 10:55:37 PM EST
    Not just FPD.

    The Orange County Sheriffs are a very, very large police force, as many of the smaller cities in Orange County contract out their police responsibilities to the,.....And they run the County Jail.

    Firestorm of community outrage (none / 0) (#81)
    by MKS on Thu Sep 22, 2011 at 11:00:41 PM EST
    Maybe a handful of people in Fullerton.  

    Outside of Fullerton, not so much.

    New Mexico Lobos.. (none / 0) (#82)
    by desertswine on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:04:25 AM EST
    Finally NM is first in something... the absolutely, positively worst football team in the country according to espn.

      1.  New Mexico      0-3  

    "Loose lips sink ships (War Advertising Council)": Mike Locksley's battleship is all but sunk; the Lobos are 2-25 in his two-plus seasons in charge. Maybe he'll let his assistants do more coaching in Saturday's game against FCS foe Sam Houston State.  

    I bought the (none / 0) (#83)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:08:48 AM EST
    first season DVD set for Breaking Bad.... The episode selection doesn't work on my DVD player and on the one with the family TV there is no selection, it just plays..

    Bought it on EBAY, and vendor has supplied a second copy but it has same problems.

    Anyone else have these??? My DVD player service (Insignia) has been real helpful but it has boiled down to bad DVD's according to them.


    Wish I could help... maybe a bad (none / 0) (#85)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 04:13:24 AM EST
    batch of recordings? Season 1 is essential to the story. If I had it, I'd be going back, checking episodes, to find out what I had missed.

    Still trying to talk Dadler into us heading over, Jim, but he's only in Rome for a day or so... and I can't make the drive by myself right now. Too much until after surgery... can't sit that long.


    Wish I could drive elsewhere (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:38:22 AM EST
    But I gotta spend as much time with Pops as possible, and I need to browbeat him into finally getting a hearing aid.  Can't even talk to the guy on the phone anymore, he has to hand it to my stepmother, then she tells him what I told her.  I love my stepmom, but come on pop, I wanna talk to my daddy.  It's actually kind of turning into an emotional thing for me.  He's 84 and lives three thousand miles from me.  I want him to hear my voice.  He's a friggin' WWII vet, too, so he can get one for free!  


    Either we'll work it out this time, or next, 'cause I ain't goin' years without seeing him again.

    Hope you're feeling okay, my friend.


    meh... I'll report later. As of this second? (none / 0) (#104)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:49:49 AM EST
    Blech, but bound to change.

    Hearing aids/phones--not a good mix. (none / 0) (#106)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 11:49:06 AM EST
    Maybe look into getting special stuff for his landline.  

    Thaks for the advice (none / 0) (#109)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:01:38 PM EST
    Still needs a hearing aid, since my stepmother says in person it's just as bad.

    Oh, for her sake he should get (none / 0) (#113)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:54:11 PM EST
    hearing aids.  But I'm underwhelmed re phone.  I can hear better on phone if I take one out.

    Attention kdog... (none / 0) (#86)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 04:47:38 AM EST
    It might be time for this scene...I'll let you know.

    Or this one...friendship. I'll know more tomorrow.

    Sometimes, in the depths of darkness, a light springs forth. Oh, and she loves me. I was the one to lose faith, because of damned emails. We both like 2,800 meters and volcanic thermal springs, too. Read "For Whom the Bell Tolls," where Pilar talks about the three great loves... It's a later chapter, can't recall which...

    Robert Jordan says to Maria, "But did thee feel the earth move?'' and she says yes, ''And then the earth moved. The earth never moved before?''  

    No, they weren't talking about orgasm, but something deeper, more profound.

    And the name of the town is Chinchina... near Manizales.

    Pretty enigmatic, but I sense optimism (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 11:51:33 AM EST
    and cause for same.  

    More productive use of the DOJ (none / 0) (#98)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:07:46 AM EST
    assets than going after whistle blowers and people like Barry Bonds. Go after the "gray market" vendors who are one of the causes for shortages of life saving drugs and inflating the price of generic drugs. BTW, if hospital are gambling by buying drugs from this "gray market" maybe it would be safer and cheaper to allow importation from reputable companies in other countries.    

    Secondary, "gray market" vendors who buy scarce drugs from small regional wholesalers, pharmacies or other sources and then market them to hospitals, often at many times the normal price. These sellers may not be licensed, authorized distributors.

    Hospitals that buy scarce medicines from the "gray market" are taking a gamble.

    Rather than reducing or eliminating regulations on polluters and the financial industry, etc. the government should be a job creator and fast track reputable companies so that they can go into producing generic drugs.

    -- Only a half-dozen companies make the vast majority of injected generics. Even if other companies wanted to begin making a generic drug in short supply, they're discouraged by the lengthy, expensive process of setting up new manufacturing lines and getting FDA approval.

    Result of lack of prescription drugs:

    An Associated Press review of industry reports and interviews with nearly two dozen experts found at least 15 deaths in the past 15 months blamed on the shortages, either because the right drug wasn't available or because of dosing errors or other problems in administering or preparing alternative medications.

    The shortages, mainly involving widely-used generic injected drugs that ordinarily are cheap, have been delaying surgeries and cancer treatments, leaving patients in unnecessary pain and forcing hospitals to give less effective treatments. That's resulted in complications and longer hospital stays.


    We need a strong lobbying group for Stop the Stupid NOW.

    1 in 5 New Yorkers now live in poverty (none / 0) (#102)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 10:32:51 AM EST
    refinancing (none / 0) (#111)
    by Jlvngstn on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 12:27:12 PM EST
    Much coverage on the lack of refis despite the historical low rates.  Underwater has little if anything to do with it.  Take the following:

    House appraisal 2006 = 975k
    House appraisal 2011 = 800k
    Current Mortgage     = 775k
    Bank wants 20% down  = 140k
    New payment          = 1k less per month

    So the banks get a huge bailout, QE1 and QE2 for the market and they want the consumer to give them 20% to refi with the giveaway they received from the consumer/taxpayer via the US gov't.  Get you coming in, and get you coming in again.

    Not under water, 760 credit score (his wife's is higher).  The appraiser and bank 5 years ago said house was worth 975, now 800.    

    Operation Twist is hoping millions will refinance to get some money in the economy moving.  Who the hell wants to take 150k out of their life savings to save 1k a month? Who the hell wants to give the banks one more penny?

    Operation Twist and Shout is what they should have named it.  Twist the consumer/taxpayer arms enough and maybe, just maybe a few will shout...

    There is one "good" cop! (none / 0) (#114)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 01:28:01 PM EST
    Just had a Da Vinci procedure, (none / 0) (#124)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:29:40 PM EST
    i.e., robotic.  As Dr. was clearing me to go home, I asked him a couple questions I knew my 13-yr. old tutoree will ask me.  Dr. sd. I could watch the entire procedure on You Tube (not mine!!!).  Elevator music.  Could not watch entire video but it does help explain why I'm still a tad sore in spots.  But now I see a headline saying this is a much more expensive procedure than w/o the robotics and no better outcome.  Watch the insurance companies and Medicare drop this.  But is really reduces recovery time and necessary days of hospitalization.  

    I'll be having one of those in (none / 0) (#125)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:35:34 PM EST
    a few weeks. Supposed to be incredibly easier to recover from. I've also heard from every.single.doctor I've spoken to, those that use it, and those that don't, that it's better.

    Let me guess... Oct 17, no more DaVinci coverage for me... Seems about right, gicen surgery set for the 21st.

    Which opera should we listen to tonight, oculus?


    Compared to my friends tales of having (none / 0) (#126)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:41:12 PM EST
    the same operation years ago sans robotics, I am much more ambulatory, far fewer restrictions, and was only in the hospital 2 nights, the second "because of my age."  Hoping you have the same amazing recovery experience--although different procedure.  

    Were this the 'old' way, (none / 0) (#127)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:47:57 PM EST
    I'd be in the hospital with a 9-10 inch incision, and I'd be there for at least a week...This way I may be home the next day... unless they decide 'for my age,' also.

    I was happy to stay the extra night as I (none / 0) (#128)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 02:49:33 PM EST
    live by myself.  Dr. insisted a friend stay the first night home but nothing happened.  Quite uneventful.  Do walk as much as you possibly can prior to surgery.  

    I've been exercising regularly, losing weight, (none / 0) (#134)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:12:21 PM EST
    and trying to tone the abdominal area where most, if not all the incisions will be. But I'm beginning to feel the effects of this disease...Time to get more motivated.

    Worth the effort so you can try to avoid (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 03:21:26 PM EST
    straining incision area(s) when you stoop down to mop the ice off the wood floor.  Just one example!

    Oh my (none / 0) (#139)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 04:26:56 PM EST
    Brain scan lets computer reconstruct movie scenes

    It sounds like science fiction: While volunteers watched movie clips, a scanner watched their brains. And from their brain activity, a computer made rough reconstructions of what they viewed.

    Scientists reported that result Thursday and speculated such an approach might be able to reveal dreams and hallucinations someday.

    In the future, it might help stroke victims or others who have no other way to communicate, said Jack Gallant, a neuroscientist at the University of California, Berkeley, and co-author of the paper.

    He believes such a technique could eventually reconstruct a dream or other made-up mental movie well enough to be recognizable. But the experiment dealt with scenes being viewed through the eyes at the time of scanning, and it's not clear how much of the approach would apply to scenes generated by the brain instead, he said.

    People shouldn't be worried about others secretly eavesdropping on their thoughts in the near future, since the technique requires a person to spend long periods in an MRI machine, he noted.

    Another expert said he expected any mind-reading capability would appear only far in the future.

    And we wonder why they just don't get it (none / 0) (#140)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 23, 2011 at 05:07:59 PM EST