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    FBI in Wisconsin investigation of Walker (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:35:24 PM EST
    This has not reached national media yet, from what I can see, but media in Chicago and around the Midwest are starting to buzz about the FBI showing up this week with a battering ram (!) to the home of a top staffer to Wisconsin governor Walker for boxes of files, computer hard drives, and more.

    The Milwaukee DA's John Doe investigation for some time now of illegal activities in Walker's campaign for governor, when still head of Milwaukee County, appears to be picking up steam.  And the Milwaukee DA still is steamed about Walker's widespread destruction of county files as he left office there.

    Some Wisconsinites are asking whether there will be need for a recall campaign to begin this November, after all.

    Where did they learn (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:02:46 PM EST
    their "skills"?  From Richard J. Daley?  After all, Wisconsin is just north of Illinois.  (Must remember:  Innocent until proven guilty!  Innocent until proven guilty!........)

    Throw. The.Bum. under. The Jail! (none / 0) (#2)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:38:47 PM EST
    It's one thing to make promises and not meet them. It's quite another to say one thing, and then do the opposite, while denying that one is doing it!

    Whatever happened to the mantra (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:49:39 PM EST
    "Pols are pols and do what they do"?  

    He isn't a Democrat (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:13:28 PM EST
    Hmmm... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:36:23 PM EST
    "...say one thing, and then do the opposite, while denying that one is doing it!"

    Here I am thinking that is s.o.p. for elected officials.


    Gotta start somewhere. When the jails are (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:49:02 PM EST
    full of the crooked pols, laws can be changed for the peoples' benefit.

    No desire for vengeance... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:57:13 PM EST
    I don't need Walker or Obama or Elected Official X locked up, resignations in shame would suffice.

    But karma could be fun (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:48:03 PM EST
    since Walker is pushing a no-early-release law.

    Indeed (none / 0) (#48)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:51:17 PM EST
    Who first said "karma's a b!tch"?  ;-)

    I say that "karma" doesn't exist (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:08:40 PM EST
    Sounds more... (5.00 / 0) (#52)
    by sj on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:13:36 PM EST
    ...like a "hope" to me.

    A lot of people are with a me-first mindset would be in trouble, yeah?  


    Meta what?? (none / 0) (#73)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 09:35:31 PM EST
    you say cause-and-effect (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 19, 2011 at 02:00:43 PM EST
    doesn't exist?

    why? Because the Creative Designer don't use funny soundin' words like that?


    Story starting to go national (none / 0) (#4)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:47:02 PM EST
    at TPM, a metastory:  A blog story about how this story started with another Walker staffer, since fired, who  commented on county time on blog stories, so says TPM.  

    (But the story says that she actually posted comments on an online newspaper, not a blog.)


    This could be interesting (none / 0) (#14)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:11:00 PM EST
    I wonder if the two are really connected - the investigation re: county staffers doing political work and these latest raids - or if this is something new.  Seems strange that the FBI would be involved if all they were looking for was evidence of county employees doing political work on the clock.

    Yes, so the thinking is (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:25 PM EST
    in some circles that the circle may be widening, with a couple of John Doe probes going on now, considering Walker's destruction of files.  That would have been carried out by this staffer, who was Walker's chief of staff in Milwaukee County.

    Or there is thinking that the Milwaukee DA asked for the FBI assistance because the investigation involves computer files, which may require a level of sophistication in investiation that the locals lack (in part because of Walker's convenient, severe cutbacks in funding DA offices statewide).


    Postal Service Softball Playoffs... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:47:42 PM EST
    We started Game 1 of our opening round playoffs Tuesday, went to extra innings and the conclusion was postponed due to darkness, we start in the top of the 9th tonight tied 4-4, and then Game 2 in a best of 3.

    I gotta find my bat, 0-3 with a walk and a run scored through 8 innings.  Pathetic!  Anybody got a live chicken I can bum?  Jobu must want a sacrifice or something:)

    So what would you say in post game (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:51:34 PM EST

    I'd have to hide from the press... (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:05:43 PM EST
    I'm a ringer! lol  

    My older bro is the Letter Carrier, he works in a small station without enough players to field a team, so they took me on...and his son, my nephew, our star shortstop 3 hitter.

    If I had a union card, I'd praise my teamates post-game, of course.  No I in team Oc.


    I am shocked (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:11:26 PM EST
    Yes shocked to discover that you have falsified your employment.



    It's softball. (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 07:34:07 PM EST
    If you ain't cheatin', you ain't tryin'!

    Oh, there is only one (none / 0) (#38)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:56:43 PM EST
    And, of course, that is the very (none / 0) (#45)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:39:29 PM EST
    answer I anticipated.

    I thought so! (none / 0) (#60)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 07:59:18 PM EST
    Now the only question is: what effect will separation from his special lady have on kdog's batting average?

    I have never, ever, heard a baseball (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 08:08:34 PM EST
    player blame on a woman his failure to hit!

    but oftentimes (none / 0) (#62)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 08:23:29 PM EST
    a lady in the stands helps
    e.g. Wade Boggs & Roy Hobbs

    Is it regular slow pitch or hi arc? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:57:25 PM EST
    Either way, it really doesn't matter, the key to hitting in slow pitch softball of any sort is to wait until you think it's just about too late to swing, then uncurl and rip it.  Take everything the opposite way if you have to, until you get that rhythm.  Wait, wait, wait...boom.  Because you get nothing from the speed of the pitch, it's all about the hitter generating power, and to do that, again, you gotta be so patient it hurts.  

    6-12' Pitch... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:03:02 PM EST
    I forget what they call it, "Modified" maybe?

    You're onto my woes Dadler...I'm way out in front, and also chasing bad pitches...can't get comfortable in the box, pressing it.

    I'm gonna try moving up in the box, and patience patience patience.  With my speed all I really gotta do is hit a grounder towards the hole...no one can throw me out from there with 60' bases.  Yet I'm hitting lazy can of corn flyball to left after lazy can of corn to left.  It stops tonight!


    I expect a great line outta you (none / 0) (#29)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:08:20 PM EST
    My hitting instructor prowess, when it comes to employee beer-belly leagues, is unmatched.  Ahem.

    Seriously...WAIT ON THE BALL.  And look for a higher one, chest high to shoulders, right handers are natural high ball hitters.  If you're a lefty, my apologies.


    Only politically... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:21:19 PM EST
    lefty, but sometimes I go so far I end up righty, as I throw and bat on the diamond.  Sh*t maybe I should take some hacks lefty:)

    If, err when!, I go 5-5 tonight I'll be thanking you and the team in the fictitous post-game interview:)


    Kdog in post-game (none / 0) (#75)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 12:54:13 AM EST
    "Bats, they are sick. I cannot hit high ball. Straightball I hit it very much. High ball, bats are afraid. I ask Jobu to come, take fear from bats. I offer him cigar, rum. He will come."

    Who was elected president in 2008? (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:20:02 PM EST
    Ron Suskind's new book sounds.....interesting:

    The book states [Timothy] Geithner and the Treasury Department ignored a March 2009 order to consider dissolving banking giant Citigroup while continuing tress tests on banks, which were burdened with toxic mortgage assets.

    In the book, Obama does not deny Suskind's account, but does not reveal what he told Geithner when he found out. "Agitated may be too strong a word," Suskind quotes Obama as saying....Suskind states that Obama accepts the blame for mismanagement in his administration while noting that restructuring the financial system was complicated and could have resulted in deeper financial harm. One of the major complaints about Obama's administration is that it was too easy on major financial institutions, including Citi. link

    I thought Obama danced to the tune of Wall St. yet this statement that Geithner ignored Obama's orders is ...... I don't know...words fail me on this.  

    Check out Yves Smith's post on this (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:43:21 PM EST
    at naked capitalism; she doesn't think this passes any kind of smell test.

    The only problem with this effort at revisionist history is that it is completely out of synch with other actions the Administration took in February and March 2009 that had to have been approved by Obama. And his posture before this supposed Citigroup "decision" and after, has been consistently bank friendly. Obama knew from the example of the Roosevelt administration, which he claimed to have studied in preparing his inaugural address, that the time to undertake any aggressive action was at the very start of his term, in that critical speech. March was far too late to start studying the question of whether to nationalize Citigroup.


    All we have to do is look at the bigger arc of the President's financial services industry bait and switch to see that this "Geithner blew me off" account doesn't hold up. Recall that during his campaign, Obama made a great show of having Paul Volcker, who clearly had the stature to stare down the banks, as an advisor. The assumption was that Volcker would be Treasury secretary or otherwise very influential (think Kissinger in his role as head of the NSA, which prior to his appointment, had never been a powerful position).

    After the election, Obama named Geithner and Summers, two of the major architects of the deregulatory strategies that drove the global economy over the cliff, to his most senior economics/financial services positions. And to top it off, Geithner and Summers then were close allies and Summers was seen as a ruthless infighter, so together they were more formidable than either would have been individually. Volcker was given a role that was the equivalent of exiling him to Siberia, head of a newly-formed Financial Stability Oversight Council. Anyone who knew anything about the players could see that Obama had decided to throw his lot in with the banks.

    Close observers can point to more evidence of Obama's fealty to his financial lords and masters. He interrupted his campaign to whip aggressively for the TARP. Every single Obama appointee of any importance backed the strategy of protecting the banks, from the SEC to HUD to Treasury to DOJ. Don't forget that Peter Orzag went to Citigroup after leaving, and Jack Lew came from the bank.


    Thus a more logical explanation is that Obama did make a request, but it was understood by both Obama and Geithner to be a CYA exercise, something they could refer to if it ever proved necessary. Geithner gave it suitably low priority, particularly given that it would be a time consuming task and he was short staffed (there were numerous reports at the time of how Treasury had open positions). Obama was still miffed that it didn't get done and chided Geithner about it.

    I think I'm going with Yves on this one.


    Uneasy rests (5.00 / 3) (#34)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:51:41 PM EST
    the butt that sits on the throne.  Either Obama approved Geithner's actions, in which case he's totally complicit and in bed with the banks, or he didn't do anything when Geithner "ignored" him, in which case he's a spineless coward.  Neither one covers Obama with glory, to say the least.

    I think there was a fair amount of winking (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by Anne on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:58:50 PM EST
    going on, and what kind of irks me is that you'd think someone who's writing a book, for heaven's sake, would do a little critical thinking and analysis - as it appears Yves did - and not appear to accept such a thing at face value.

    Or maybe Suskind did think about it, and decided it was credible enough to include.

    Which is just one more thing that makes you say, "hmmmm."


    No kidding (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:45:17 PM EST
    "Critical thinking and analysis"?  What's that?  Seems they are in very short supply.  :-(

    Obama set up in-fighting in his (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:22:51 PM EST
    initial Afghanistan leadership team too, and that blew up too.  But you expect things to blow up in a war I guess. Less cover for you with things that are supposed to be civilized.  He doesn't seem to want to lead though, he picks some bullies to bully about a few ideas he thinks needs to be argued for and then acts shocked when things blow up and get killed during set up dog fights.

    Laughing my butt off (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:16:29 PM EST
    What would I do without my Talkleft friends?  I would have certainly lost my sense of humor by now.

    Old Army saying... (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 12:51:03 AM EST
    "Do SOMETHING, even if it's wrong!"

    followed by, "Lead, follow, or get the heck out of the way!"

    People will forgive mistakes. They won't forgive inaction.


    Not to sure about that... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 10:09:26 AM EST
    generally speaking, inaction is sometimes better than the wrong action...all the criminal laws passed in haste with the people yelling "somebody do something!" comes to mind.  As do the words of Kurt V...

    They might have felt that taking our country into an endless war was simply something decisive to do. What has allowed so many PPs to rise so high in corporations, and now in government, is that they are so decisive. They are going to do something every f*ckin' day and they are not afraid. Unlike normal people, they are never filled with doubts, for the simple reasons that they don't give a f*ck what happens next. Simply can't. Do this! Do that! Mobilize the reserves! Privatize the public schools! Attack Iraq! Cut health care! Tap everybody's telephone! Cut taxes on the rich! Build a trillion-dollar missile shield! F*ck habeas corpus and the Sierra Club and In These Times, and kiss my arse!

    Even (5.00 / 0) (#77)
    by Ga6thDem on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 07:40:43 AM EST
    worse is the fact if you don't make a decision the decision will be made for you by circumstances or someone else but maybe that's what Obama wants to happen.

    I will be reading it though (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:14:44 PM EST
    control of Iowa Senate in balance (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:21:59 PM EST
    The only thing separating Iowa from Wisconsin, Ohio, Michigan etc is the Democrats' one-vote majority in the Iowa Senate. Holding on to that majority in 2012 was already looking like a tall order. Now Governor Terry Branstad has appointed a corporate-friendly Democratic senator to the Iowa Utilities Board, which will force a special election this fall in a suburban/rural swing district.

    If Republicans win that race, the Iowa Senate will be split 25-25. There's recent precedent for a power-sharing agreement in that situation (2005-2006). At that time, leaders of both parties had to sign off on any legislation that came to the floor for a vote.

    OMG Don't get me started. (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 01:50:43 PM EST

    Shall we take this lying down? (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:02:22 PM EST
    Were you there to see what ... (0+ / 0-)
    ... Armando did during the time in question? If so, then don't you think there are about 50 million people in the United States -- and 200,000 posters at dkos -- with more credibility to lead this particular discussion? This is, as you noted, having some little to do with President Obama after all.

    P.S. If that was your hamfisted attempt to say that I called Armando a racist -- something I don't think you were intending, but I just wanted to clear up -- that is not the case; rather, I was only suggesting that he's a ton less credible on the subject than a ton of other people, and, therefore, a seriously inappropriate choice for this self-appointed role.  

    Republicans, like Zombies, just want to get a head.

    by Tortmaster on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 05:30:56 AM PDT

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    This comment on DK is on a "group" on racism Armando/BTD is starting  The commenter is referring to how BTD purportedly permitted TL to run amuck against Obama during the 2008 election cycle.  P.S.  Spell check doesn't recognize "amuck."  Whatever is this world coming to?????

    We shall not do so. Nay (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:09:49 PM EST
    we shall stand by the spelling as: amok!

    Alternative spelling: (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:13:15 PM EST
    Merriam Webster

    Probably limited to SE Iowa.


    Well, that would make some sense (none / 0) (#18)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:18:35 PM EST
    since the preferred spelling is from a Malaysian term, and we all know now that there "ain't no people" in Iowa who look in the least Malaysian.

    BTW, how do you pronounce "awry"? (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:20:32 PM EST
    Like "a rye" bread sandwich (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:22:36 PM EST
    but whaddaIknow, other than that makes me hungry for a reuben (which I pronounce roo-ben:-).

    I made a corned beef brisket (5.00 / 2) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 10:03:15 AM EST
    a few months ago and my husband's mouth was stuffed full for two days.  He was so quiet.  I think it is time for another one :)

    I will probably have to say six nice things about men today now.


    Local store used to sell (none / 0) (#72)
    by the capstan on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 09:33:45 PM EST
    corned beef brisket and suggested serving it "Hawaiian style."  After it was completely cooked it was taken out of the crock pot (my idea) and coated with a mustard and brown sugar paste (like southerners do ham).  Then it went in the oven while the cabbage continued cooking.  Absolute heaven!

    I do something somewhat similar (none / 0) (#84)
    by Zorba on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 02:12:00 PM EST
    with regular beef brisket- cook it with brown-sugar-and-mustard.  Except it winds up with sauteed onions and mushrooms, instead of cabbage.

    Well, they can order "rachels" (none / 0) (#85)
    by Towanda on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 02:46:29 PM EST
    with turkey, while you and I have the real thing!

    Ding! Ding! Ding! (none / 0) (#27)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:59:04 PM EST
    You win!  (I really should learn to refresh the thread after I step away from the computer, before making a comment.  Posters here are just too fast!)

    I saw that comment (5.00 / 0) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:59:15 PM EST
    was going to say something and then decided not to.  The least little thing can turn into a flame war these days.

    Especially (none / 0) (#41)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:03:58 PM EST
    over there.  I very, very seldom comment there any more, and only intermittently read it.

    Particularly when people feel (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 06:31:07 PM EST
    as victimized as they do in the midst of this issue.  It is hard for me to judge because I was born lucky in the USA, I'm white, I'm the default setting, I'm the currency the society structure is pegged to until further notice.  This is perhaps one of those times that kos was a little too insensitive to the realities of some subgroups, and Armando may be able to iron things out a little.  It isn't my subgroup though, so what do I know?

    Maybe because (none / 0) (#25)
    by Zorba on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:55:40 PM EST
    it was originally spelled "run amok"?   ;-)

    I saw it (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 06:24:05 PM EST
    Considering what the group is going to address, and how some have equated Obama criticism to not liking him because he is he is...they say he is black.  But is he black, half black, half white...I never understand how it is that I'm acting like a racist when I'm unhappy with him.  Am I saying that it is his black half doing all these things I don't like, if his white side had more say things would be different?  Sigh....I dunno, but Armando tends to be good at these things.  If anyhow can iron out half the people it will be him, others will drift back, some will die angry.

    Trying to decide whether to invest (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 07:13:27 PM EST
    enough time to figure out what caused the boycott.  

    I saw a little bit of it (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 09:32:09 PM EST
    it started out around Obama criticism, and some commenters claiming it was racist inspired and not about the issues that people claimed it was about.  It amplified, kos started banning and pulling people's ability to rate.  Then someone pointed out mathematically the number of black kossacks banned or given a time out, and based on some figure that only 4% of the DKos community is supposedly black....well statistically it wasn't a pretty statistic.

    What did we learn in statistics though?  Statistics can be very manipulative in a way. I skimmed some of the kos diaries though about the banning taking place and he phrased things pretty harshly.  He had had enough, his trigger finger was itchy he said.  Combined with the feeling reality some were in, I'm sure it seemed harsh and abusive to many.


    As I recall, not too long ago (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 01:26:52 AM EST
    Kos issued some edicts.  One encouraged users to rat each other out to him.  Predictable result.  

    I don't know (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 09:40:28 AM EST
    I don't think I read that one.  I have my list of diarists that I follow there, and do love how easy all that is to do now and I love the groups aspect.  It works really well for those of us who are invested in the military.  I didn't think I would like the new Dkos because most of the people that I followed would have their diaries hijacked all the time by the same group of people and they seemed very organized.  I don't know how people don't have a life, have time to do nothing other than figure out how to hijack internet writings they don't like all day long.  I thought the new Dkos setup would allow that to happen more often but it hasn't.

    I'm okay with people telling Kos about setups like that.  Was that what he was referring to?


    I like the "Stream" and (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 11:16:37 AM EST
    "Follow" features too.  No expertise re Kos' proclamations.  I saw his statement.  Also asked if should be "Posts" or "Diaries."  Didn't realize he had time to worry about trivia.

    Things have progressively (none / 0) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 12:28:35 PM EST
    become very challenging from what I've seen as criticism of Obama has increased and the election draws near.  I don't know why Meteor Blades decided to take a break either but it could have something to do with that too.  Perhaps he just got sick and tired of it all, and all the head games and baloney, and his fatigue has really ticked Kos off.

    Markos is going to have to have time to moderate his site, it is still "the" site in many ways.  I think bloggers should moderate their sites too.


    Here's the post re moderating. (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by oculus on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 12:44:04 PM EST
    Query:  is "re-architect" acceptable as a verb!!!! link

    Oh Boy (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Sep 17, 2011 at 03:14:23 PM EST
    Well, considering his low tolerance for B.S. he probably should not have asked for input as to who needs to be nixed.  He already knows that having to completely self moderate for awhile will make him cranky :)  

    Rick Perry's SS comments ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:14:43 PM EST
    ... are coming back to bite him.

    Time to see how fast he can backpedal.

    I heard 'em say... (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by kdog on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 02:33:41 PM EST
    he'll honor the commitment to those approaching SS age.

    Which begs the question, if it is a Ponzi scheme as Perry suggests, and he's gonna pay out as pres., doesn't that mean he himself will be the new Mr. Ponzi?  Bilking new investors to pay off old ones?

    He'll be a pretzel before this one dies...as long as ya don't call it socialism, Americans like them some socialism.


    Yeah, I'm sure his law and order AG (none / 0) (#37)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:55:07 PM EST
    will lock him up immediately for running a ponzi scheme!

    My old Jr. High buddy/bully was convicted (none / 0) (#31)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:21:54 PM EST
    My proofreading SUCKS (none / 0) (#32)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:23:03 PM EST
    I can imagine (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:52:17 PM EST
    his face in Jr. High and it being a pretty scary one. You remind me of my husband. He tells me all the things he did in Jr. and Sr. High and I say to him that he must have had a death wish or something. I finally told him I didn't want to know anymore stuff he did when he was a teenager.

    I'd known him since elementary school (none / 0) (#42)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:04:40 PM EST
    That's really when I knew him as a bully.  When we were "reunited" in 8th grade, I was the quarterback on the football team, he was the star receiver, and suddenly I was his buddy, and deserving of rides around town in one his cars.  As the father of an eleven year-old now, it seems like some kind of surreal dream.

    Wow, that really is a mental image. (none / 0) (#36)
    by ruffian on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 03:53:36 PM EST
    Sounds like this guy probably has a lot of instant karma coming his way.

    When we were in elementary school... (none / 0) (#43)
    by Dadler on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 04:16:01 PM EST
    ...he got the tip of his big toe lopped off in an escalator accident, and ended up with a settlement over it.  Karma goes round and round and round and round and....

    don't want to watch the video (none / 0) (#69)
    by desmoinesdem on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 09:16:54 PM EST
    Those shows have always freaked me out. I'm not a particularly nervous flyer, but I don't know why people would want to do/watch stunts in the air with a big machine.

    Especially (none / 0) (#70)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 16, 2011 at 09:30:08 PM EST
    when the plane is flown by an 80-year-old stunt pilot.