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New Jobless Claims: 428K

Bad news:

Applications for unemployment benefits climbed to 428,000 in the week ended Sept. 10 from an upwardly revised 417,000 the prior week, the Labor Department said.

Exacerbating the problem is the rise in headline inflation:

The Labor Department said its Consumer Price Index increased 0.4 percent last month, after rising 0.5 percent in July. The reading was higher than the 0.2 percent rise expected, with food prices posting their biggest gain since March. Gasoline prices climbed 1.9 percent after jumping 4.7 percent the prior month. Food prices rose 0.5 percent after increasing 0.4 percent in July.

This is bad because the folks that want Austerity Now! get to yell Inflation! The reality is that core inflation is 2% due to slack demand. But energy and food prices go up more because demand for these items is inelastic. This is a toxic brew of economic news. Things are looking bleaker.

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    the new poverty statistics (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by desmoinesdem on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 08:44:42 AM EST
    from the Census Bureau are terrifying, especially when you consider that poverty will probably continue to rise until about a year after unemployment starts falling (which could be well into the future).

    Also to consider... (none / 0) (#7)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 09:35:19 AM EST
    the poverty line is something like 22k for a family of four.  A ridiculously low income threshold...depending on where in the country you reside, the line could easily be set at 32k or more.

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    Let's face it, kdog, (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 09:57:10 AM EST
    they don't want to make the poverty stats sound any worse, so they set the poverty line very low.  I'd like to see our congresspeople try to live on $22,000/year.  They do the same with the "official" unemployment rate- it doesn't measure long-term discouraged workers, the underemployed, part-time workers who would like to work full-time but cannot find full-time work.  Why let people know how bad it really is, since they already think it's bad enough?  

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    I hear ya... (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 10:18:44 AM EST
    Granted I have expensive habits to go with simple tastes, but even if I quit smoking I don't think I could swing it on 22k a year net, definitely not gross.  

    Lies, damn lies, and statistics.

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    As a single person, kdog, you (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by caseyOR on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 02:25:43 PM EST
    would have to live on $11,000/year. That $22,000 figure is for a family of four.

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    Comedic... (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 02:46:04 PM EST
    why does no one in the media talk about how ridiculous to the point of useless the levels are?  I've caught a few articles about the alarming poverty stats, all mentioned the level, but every writer left out the "lol".  

    Never mind, look, over there, Sarah Palin sniffs blow off oil drums! :)

    BTW kids, never sniff blow off oil drums, ya could get some rust up your beak and need to get a painful tetanus shot.

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    Will you be reading McGinniss' book? (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 02:52:15 PM EST
    And:  you forgot about all the references to "extreme poverty," apparently a subset.  

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    Hell no... (none / 0) (#50)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 03:12:02 PM EST
    I ain't reading it, but I must shamefully admit I'm taking perverse pleasure in the wisecracks from the NBA community.

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    Aw, quit your griping guys (none / 0) (#52)
    by NYShooter on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 06:38:24 PM EST
    Its all good; the stock market rose 186 points today

    Just think of all your capital gains!


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    Also (5.00 / 0) (#20)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 10:48:07 AM EST
    They also keep the poverty line low because qualifying for certain benefits is dependent upon your percentage of the poverty line....for instance, Obamacare provides no health insurance "subsidies" for those making over 400% of the poverty line.

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    Good point... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:05:58 AM EST
    I'll never forget when I applied for Medicaid as a broked*ck college kid with a bum leg working full time, man said I wasn't broked*ck enough.  Coulda fooled me!

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    Things are bleak allright... (5.00 / 4) (#3)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 08:56:07 AM EST
    and those immune from the bleakness are gonna take full advantage of the situation, by hell or high water!

    Poverty is up, pay is down, bills are up, morale is down...and dare you complain the refrain is "be glad you have a job."  

    Since I'm one of those "be glad you have a job!"'s, I talk to other "be glad you have a job!" colleagues all day long...I don't think morale and spirits have ever been lower amongst those who should be "glad".

     

    One in five (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 09:58:47 AM EST
    children in this country are living in poverty.  One in five.  That's something that everyone in this country should be ashamed of.

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    Per UNICEF (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by smott on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:03:02 AM EST
    The US is now 22nd of 23 rich countries measured for CHild Poverty, only Mexico is worse.

    Sweden tops everyone with an impressive 2.6%.

    US and MExico bring up the rear with 22.4 and 26.2 respectively.

    Basically those socialist swedes, danes, finns, kicking our arse.

    http://www.unicef-irc.org/publications/pdf/repcard1e.pdf

    Page 6

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    This (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:20:54 AM EST
    just makes me want to cry.  We're bad statistically on child poverty, bad on global measures of overall health care, bad on the growing disparity between the rich and the poor.  We are rapidly plunging out of First World and approaching Second World status.  When will the majority of the people in this country begin to wake the f*ck up and start trying to take their country back?

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    Don't forget infant mortality (5.00 / 0) (#29)
    by smott on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:28:04 AM EST
    US now 34th, between Cuba and Malta.

    6.81 per 1,000 live births.

    Singapore and Iceland tops with 1.92, 2.07.

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    Yes (none / 0) (#32)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:59:31 AM EST
    Very, very sad, isn't it?

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    I think it is time to buy ravioli (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 08:58:45 AM EST
    Come on up (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 10:26:29 AM EST
    to Maryland.  I've been canning and freezing garden produce all summer.  And there's also lots of venison in the freezer.  I think we can do better than canned ravioli.   ;-)

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    Be careful Z... (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:08:28 AM EST
    if things stay on course, the Republic of Zorba might have many a refugee at her borders looking for food and shelter.

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    I've got a huge barn, Dog (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:14:54 AM EST
    Plus other farm buildings.  And if people are willing to help garden, hunt, fish, cook, and clean up- I think we can handle a few (compatible) refugees.  (I'm not entirely kidding, here.  If things really go south, there are more than a few friends and relatives we might have to take in.)

    Parent
    Only half-kidding myself... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:26:39 AM EST
    when I say I have scoped out where the massive local food warehouses that supply supermarkets are...first stop on Sh*t Meet Fan day before we head for the hills!  Also only half-kidding when I say I've given serious thought to reversing my anti-gun ownership stance.

    I might not have a wife and kids of me own, but the McArab clan is large, and nobody goes hungry on my watch.  

    I really hope we figure out a way to prosper and provide a chance for all to prosper in the coming century, but with this government and framework I just can't see it happening.

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    Well, as I've said before (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 11:57:33 AM EST
    We're armed.  Hunting-type long guns.  Mr. Z. used to hunt when he was younger, and he taught me how to use them (and we taught our kids, when they got old enough, including lots of lessons on gun safety).  Realistically, I would not live up here way in the boonies if we were not armed and prepared to use those arms- the police response time is at least a half hour or more, so we cannot depend upon them to protect us, if it comes to that.  Don't get me wrong- I'm not some kind of an NRA nut.  And I don't have any problem with registering hand guns, and requiring people to take a safety course and a background check before they can buy one.  And there is no reason for individuals to own an assault-type weapon.  But a shot gun can certainly be effective against a home invader who means you harm.

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    Totally agree... (none / 0) (#33)
    by kdog on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 12:00:02 PM EST
    although I abhor guns personally, they give me the creeps...I am a staunch 2nd Amendment guy.  An inalienable right it most surely is.

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    Come on down (none / 0) (#34)
    by Zorba on Thu Sep 15, 2011 at 12:08:22 PM EST