Thursday Night News and Open Thread

President Obama will speak next Thursday at 7pm ET, so he doesn't interrupt NFL football. I could care less about football, but I would hate to miss eviction night on Big Brother, and with 8 million viewers, that's nothing to sneeze at. On tonight's show, here's hoping Shelley goes home.

Condi Rice had some sharp words today for Dick Cheney's portrayal of her as "tearful" in his book.

"It certainly doesn't sound like me, now, does it?" Rice said in the interview. "I would never -- I don't remember coming to the vice president tearfully about anything in the entire eight years that I knew him."

The Third Circuit Court of Appeals ruled today that due process rights apply to all, even the undocumented. The opinion is here.

There's also a new Jersey Shore and Project Runway tonight. This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Presidential Endorsements (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 06:52:55 PM EST

    In a preview of a forthcoming PBS Frontline documentary, John Rizzo, one of the top attorneys for the Central Intelligence Agency (CIA), claims that President Barack Obama has "endorsed" nearly all of the controversial Bush administration secret warfare programs.

    "I was part of the transition briefings of the incoming Obama team, and they signaled fairly early on that the incoming president believed in a vigorous, aggressive, continuing counterterrorism effort," Rizzo said.


    He added: "With a notable exception of the enhanced interrogation program, the incoming Obama administration changed virtually nothing with respect to existing CIA programs and operations...."

    This video is from PBS Frontline's documentary "Top Secret America," scheduled to air at 9 p.m. on Sept. 6, 2011.

    RawStory video link

    Did anyone (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 07:38:25 PM EST
    else catch the post CST did on how Ghadaffi had a photo album with love notes to Condi Rice. She had a link where they showed the picture album he kept with pictures of her. If I were Condi, i would be worrying more about that than something Deadeye Dick said.

    No kidding (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 07:48:43 PM EST
    So far the whole world has been better at Where's Waldo.

    Let the WH help you start a petition... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Anne on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:17:53 PM EST
    Help them figure out what's on our minds...  

    C'mon, kids - it'll be fun!

    The White House is engaging in a Change.org-type experiment with their We The People campaign. The site allows anyone to start a petition on any issue they want. If they build support and generate 5,000 signatures for the petition, the White House promises to review and respond to it. The review will be done internally by Administration officials. The President, in a statement, characterized it as "giving Americans a direct line to the White House on the issues and concerns that matter most to them."

    There's more at CBS News.

    This reminds me of the BarackObama.com groups during the Presidential campaign. After then-candidate Obama announced his support for the FISA amendments act, activists opposed to Obama's position used the tools on MyBarackObama to create a Get Fisa Right group that eventually became the biggest group on the site, with tens of thousands of supporters. Eventually, Obama responded to the Get FISA Right group, where he pledged to listen to the group's concerns and "seek to earn [their] ongoing support." There was a promise of an internal review of the FISA law after the election.

    None of this really happened. The Administration has adopted the tools of warrantless surveillance from the Bush Administration and arguably taken them further. The group pressured the President to address their concerns in a statement, but the engagement really ended there.

    As if the WH hasn't been receiving hundreds of thousands of letters, e-mails, and phone calls from people expressing thier concerns on issues ranging from the economy to Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid, to the wars, to ...are they kidding me?

    Give me a break.

    Obama building his e-mail list (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:26:35 PM EST
    to solicit contributions.

    Or building a list of agitators (none / 0) (#24)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 11:24:49 PM EST
    (and suspected Clintonistas)

    The football game? (none / 0) (#2)
    by loveed on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 07:20:35 PM EST
    He does not want to interfere with the football game? Is he afraid he'll miss the kickoff?
    It's 4:00pm in California. I hope it's on the radio.

    Prob doesn't want low ratings :) (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by nycstray on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:47:37 PM EST
    I'm guessing the opening game of the season will attract quite a viewing crowd. With his tanking poll numbers, football may be the more popular kid on the block . . .

    Yeh, with football, you get action (none / 0) (#34)
    by Towanda on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 06:26:14 PM EST
    and someone gets to the goal sometimes, whereas with yet another speech, you get "just words."  

    I'm enjoying more Brett as Sherlock (none / 0) (#4)
    by observed on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 07:43:04 PM EST
    Worried about apostillation.
    I hope I can travel without being  completely apostillated, otherwise I may be delayed significantly.

    I love this writing (none / 0) (#5)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 07:47:41 PM EST
    And I love what it implies about how even bankruptcy is nourishing in its own way.  I know a lot of people who blog don't like that idea though because I saw the admitted Meyers Briggs testing and there is a large portion of I's and J's that like blogging :)

    If we all went bankrupt together though....we could make this work....we could be good for each other :)

    Even the trustees, too? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:01:12 PM EST
    Not sure how we can legally accomplish (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 10:29:15 PM EST
    that all the way around.  Have any specific trustees in mind?

    Heh. I was just tweakin' you there (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 10:35:45 PM EST
    Because you said "If we all went bankrupt together".

    I do kind of like the idea of no one paying taxes all of a sudden all at the same time, though. It might spark an awakening inside the DC bubble. Maybe? Well, ok, maybe not... ;-)


    Maybe "J"s especially, huh (none / 0) (#11)
    by christinep on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:25:15 PM EST
    yes (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 10:27:51 PM EST
    Even the trustees, too? (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:01:36 PM EST

    Liberate this... (none / 0) (#9)
    by Edger on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:15:37 PM EST
    WikiLeaks cable: U.S. troops handcuffed, shot Iraqi children in raid

    According to a diplomatic cable published by WikiLeaks, U.S. troops massacred an Iraqi family in the town of Ishaqi in 2006, handcuffing and then shooting 11 people in the head including a woman in her 70's and five children ages five and under.  

    McClatchy is reporting that the soldiers then called in an air strike on the house to cover up evidence of the killings.

    Heroes, eh? (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 11:23:25 PM EST
    "Real" men... (none / 0) (#29)
    by Edger on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 08:12:07 AM EST

    From Hullabaloo (none / 0) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 08:45:30 PM EST
    Markos on the the speech scheduling stupidity:

    Obama has two options:

    1. Immediately say, "That's cool, we'll do it another day." The date, again, is inconsequential. Why get in a fight over this?

    2. Go on the offensive. Make the argument that Obama chose the day because it was the first day Congress was back in session. What's more important to the American people than jobs? And anyway, the White House ran it by Boehner and he had no objections, so why is he freaking out now?

    Either one would've been fine. But instead, we got a crazy hybrid--the White House initially went on the offensive, called Boehner a liar, started working reporters on a pushback campaign, and then, suddenly, collapsed to Boehner.

    It was the worst of all worlds. Rather than look accommodating or strong, the White House came off looking indecisive and weak. All over the biggest non-story of the month. It was a great way to cap off a dismal August...

    But Markos' key critique of the Administration is well-taken. First, everything they do is almost designed to make them look craven and weak. Being accommodating is one thing; being constantly humiliated like Charlie Brown kicking a football is quite another.

    And it's not even working to attract independents. It's terrible politics, in addition to being terrible policy. link

    The worst of all possible worlds (none / 0) (#25)
    by Mr Natural on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 11:27:54 PM EST
    Anti-Pangloss: the Presidency

    What gets me is if they'd (none / 0) (#26)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 01:15:52 AM EST
    thought about this a week or so ago, they could have asked Boehner then to call the Congress back a day early so he could give the speech on Tuesday, and if Boehner refused, it would be fine optics-- Republicans refuse to cut vacation short by one day to consider jobs for Americans.

    This one just completely baffles me.  I can only think it was a mistake somewhere along the line, though that's hard to imagine.

    Lose-lose for Obama for playing pretty outrageous hardball for a few hours, and then instead of justifying it, collapsing immediately.

    I do not get it.


    The tar sands pipeline shows (none / 0) (#15)
    by observed on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 09:03:30 PM EST
    both Obama's political skill, and his utter awfulnees. He has not just shifted the goal posts on global warming---his policies go 180 degrees against global warming action.
    Yet there is hardly a peep about this story.
    What a savvy disaster Obama is.

    Site Violation - spam (none / 0) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 09:10:34 PM EST

    here is another view on Huntsman (none / 0) (#18)
    by loveed on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 10:01:36 PM EST
     Wall Street journal endorses Huntsman economic agenda. They want him to give the response to Obama speech next week.
     You might not like the endorser, but this will help him. After all this is the repub. primary.


    Huntsman "appears" to be the adult (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by shoephone on Thu Sep 01, 2011 at 11:13:52 PM EST
    in the GOP's room. But he is, for all intents and purposes, the same old, same old: No new taxes, no regulations, no women's rights. And he made his money the old-fashioned GOP way -- he inherited it from his rich daddy.

    Boy, is he (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 01:20:44 AM EST
    I heard him interviewed at some length on Fox this evening, and he just blathered and blathered and endlessly repeated his scripted talking points, often using the identical language, no matter what the interviewer asked him (van Susteren), and dodged attempts to get him to give specifics.  He also used only the 1st person plural-- "we," never once "I," which comes across to pretty much everybody as totally phony.

    He's calmer and more assured than Rick Santorum or Tim Pawlenty, but otherwise, he's pretty much identical in his <cough> impressiveness and charisma.

    No sale, buddy.  Go home.


    Yes, and if he has his way (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 05:26:02 AM EST
    all of his capital gains and dividends will be tax free. People who now qualify for an Earned Income Credit because they make so little income will pay 8% of their income in taxes and pick up his part of the tab to run the government. Families will go hungry and do without so that he can accumulate even more money that he doesn't need.  

    I'm really sick of all these greedy old b@astards (both Republican and Democratic) who think it is a great idea to increase their wealth by sticking it to the poor and middle class. Of course all the while they will tell you what a great Christian they are. Sanctimonious, greedy robber barons are draining this country dry.  


    would you feel different (none / 0) (#35)
    by loveed on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 07:17:01 PM EST
     Knowing he plans to give it all away before he dies?
     Would you feel different if he has his own cancer foundation?

    Nope (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 08:08:55 PM EST
    Taking money away from millions of people who need it now so that he can disburse it at some later date does not change my opinion at all.

    I believe (none / 0) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 08:18:47 PM EST
    there is confusion between senior and junior taking place here.

    Jon Huntsman Sr has signed on as part of the Giving Pledge.


    I was responding to his father money (none / 0) (#40)
    by loveed on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 05:22:48 PM EST
     This family reminds of the Kennedy's.

    I thought it was the American dream (none / 0) (#33)
    by loveed on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 03:32:27 PM EST
    Where you can be anything you want to be.
     His father lived the American dream


      I don't have a problem with people having money.


    You seem so devoted to Huntsman? (none / 0) (#38)
    by christinep on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 08:58:14 PM EST
    Other than for some of us who have worked for individual candidates, it stands out and is, indeed, striking. My question today: Does the apparent fact that he has not suggested anything (any particular and direct) in the way of job creation cause any discomfort? By saying "direct," I mean any proposals other than the reduce-taxes-for-the-haves...a legitimate question?

    It's not that I am devoted to him (none / 0) (#39)
    by loveed on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 05:19:11 PM EST
     When Obama became president, I knew it was a mistake. So I started following the careers of several politician. Huntsman was one.
     When Utah was the best ran state, I became aware of Huntsman. I read his biography. And started following his career. Which was impressive.
     I also liked His family.His wife is awesome. There missionary work made them aware of the struggle that poor people endure.
     I think he dreamed of being president. He has plans for the country. Kinda reminds me of Bill Clinton.
     As far as a job plan. I think his tax plan lays the foundation for jobs (for me 14% is better than 26%). We have to get away from this class warfare. And look at the big picture. The tax code is broken and we need to start from scratch.
     I think it's time we had a president that is smarter than me(LOL). A president with a clue.
     It's more than just jobs. How do we deal with China,end the wars,education,health care,nuclear waste,housing market ect...
     The only candidate that I have ever campaign for was Wes Clark. I picked him the same way I picked Huntsman. I knew Bush was going to be a disaster.
    Dems pick Kerry.
     Here is an article I found interesting.
     I picked him for his record.And he's running on his record.

    'Appreciated your direct response, loveed (none / 0) (#41)
    by christinep on Sat Sep 03, 2011 at 08:56:31 PM EST
    While I disagree with your conclusion, I realize how you got there. It is important, surely, to get involved as you have...and to go with your genuine instinct.

    "Obama backs down ... (none / 0) (#30)
    by Yman on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 11:29:50 AM EST
    ... on ozone regulations."


    If I had a nickel  for every headline that started with "Obama backs down..."

    "If I had a nickel..." (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 12:35:10 PM EST
    You wouldn't need to worry about when his grand jobs plan will be unveiled because you'd be rich.

    There is a site (none / 0) (#32)
    by jbindc on Fri Sep 02, 2011 at 01:44:11 PM EST
    called "DCist" which posts local gossip and stories of the DC area (there are sister sites for various cities, in case you are not familiar).

    Every Friday, they have a post called "Overheard in DC" which usually includes some fairly amusing snippets of random people's conversations.

    I thought on this Friday, I would share a few that I thought were kinda funny and hopefully will bring a smile to your collective faces, and start off your Labor Day weekend in the right manner.

    Outside D.C. Superior Court, around 10 a.m. on a weekday:

    A man in his late 30s on a cell phone: "Yeah, so they charged me with violating my probation, and possession of heroin, but they never field tested me!"

    [Pauses to listen to the person on the other end.]

    "Cuz, man, if they had field tested me, they woulda realized it was just a pile of coke!"


    At a U Street (trendy and hip) bar on Monday night:

    Two guys are having a conversation about grooming when one randomly asked: "So you're the only one who got his a$$ waxed today?"


    I understand these people perfectly:

    Several people are watching CNN at a large government agency:

    Federal employee #1: "Congress' disapproval rate is 82%? Oh my god!"
    Federal employee #2: "So who do you think is in that 18%?"
    Multiple people at once: "Their families!"


    And of my all-time favorites, from 2008:

    At Safeway:

    A couple, both wearing "Palin for President AND Vice President 2008" shirts, are buying a 12 pack of Budweiser.

    The clerk tells them it's $9.50. The couple then starts complaining that they're gouging people in town for the rallies, demands to speak to the manager, and that it's un-American.

    Cashier: "No sir, that is capitalism."