Monday Open Thread

It was 40 years ago today, August 15, 1971, I moved to Colorado. I don't think it ever occurred to me back then it might be permanent, but I can't think of a better place to call home. How happy are you with where you live?

I'm off to court for the rest of the day, here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Moved to Colorado (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:28:45 PM EST
    from Seattle. Huge change. For weeks we couldn't figure out what that orange thing was that rose in the east every morning....

    I had my choice of CO or the San Fran area to locate the west coast corporate office. Decided that if we wanted a home bigger than a shoe box Denver was the better choice. Plus Stapleton worked better as a hub except for Pacific destinations.

    Took a while but became a Bronco fan and still am. Once bitten by the Orange Bug there is little hope for recovery.

    Stayed there for 17 years but retirement came and fighting the snow and cold became too much. So we returned to the sunny South and became People of Leisure.

    Wish I was younger and moving to Denver. Heck, just wish I was younger.....

    The sunny south of where? (none / 0) (#29)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:55:44 PM EST
    America (none / 0) (#41)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:43:06 PM EST
    Denver is home (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by sj on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:49:14 PM EST
    but not where I live.  I expect it will always be that way until I get back.  Which I will.  Sometime.  Would be nice if the job market in Denver was as good as here near Washington DC.  I check every time I'm seeking a new contract.  Even here it's touch and go being a contract software developer.

    I'm a Boston girl (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by CST on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:52:41 PM EST
    but it's not the only place I've ever felt home.

    I've moved around a bit, and everytime I go back to a place I have a lot of memories, it feels like going home.  That can be true whether I've actually lived there (Pittsburgh), or I've just spent a lot of time there (Vermont).  It doesn't even have to be a place, sometimes there are simply roads or experiences that make me feel like I am "home".  Driving to NY is one of those, or counting the tunnels across PA to Pitt.  In some ways I feel at home when I am travelling to a place more than when I am sitting still in a place, because so much of my life has been about leaving a place and going someplace new, that the simple act of traveling makes me feel like I am home.

    Traveled a lot (none / 0) (#40)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:41:18 PM EST
    with my folks when I was a kid, so traveling gives me very much the same feeling. (I sleep like a baby in hotel rooms!)

    I seem to spend a lot of time (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:56:50 PM EST
    thinking about where I live, and gauging my level of satisfaction with the situation. I think that means I am not happy with it. When I lived in Colorado the only thoughts I had were about how lucky I felt to be there. Same way with California, most of the time.

    Back in Illinois and here in Orlando I spend a lot of time plotting my escape. When I moved here it was in part kind of an experiment to see how much it really mattered where I lived - after all, non-work waking hours only account for at max a third of life. Did it really matter where I lived? As it turns out, yes. Being able to look at something beautiful while driving to work or running errands, and having a lot of pleasant contact with nature mean a great deal to me. The contact with nature I find in FL is mostly if the unpleasant sort.

    That said, I like the people here a great deal. Probably the nicest folks of any place I have lived. Orlando is very diverse and there is a real effort at a melting pot, at least among us working stiffs.

    My feeling on Fla... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:05:57 PM EST
    is ya gotta be on or near the ocean...I much preferred my time in Pompano than my time in Tallahassee.  Tally was a nice town with a southern feel, and the keggers were great...but there I missed home and the beach I got used to being right across the street from my Pompano crib.

    If I leave NY it will be to another locale on the ocean.


    Fully concur. That would make it a lot better. (none / 0) (#17)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:13:20 PM EST
    However, the beach areas are not as pleasant as the ones in California, to me anyway. Too much building allowed on the beach.

    If good beach access is what you need, kdog (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:20:57 PM EST
    and ruffian, well, Oregon has it. The coastline is one of the most beautiful in the world. And, unlike with our neighbors to the south, the beach, which runs the entire length of the state from north to south, is owned by the people of Oregon. Not a single bit of the beach is privately owned. And this means that no one can block access to any part of the beach.

    One of the great tragedies (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:43:42 PM EST
    of the East Coast, and particularly the gorgeous northern coasts, is you can't even see the darn thing because it's all privately owned and obscured from view except for a handful of public beaches.

    Folks on the West Coast were incredibly smart to prevent that from happening.


    I do love the Oregon beaches. (none / 0) (#22)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:30:34 PM EST
    They are breathtaking. I am more of a 'walk along the beach' type than a swimmer, so they are perfect for me. I drove up that coast many years ago and spend a night at a great little lodge at Yachats. I still remember it as one of the best times ever.

    My brother lives in Corvallis - prof at OSU. Maybe I will retire up there with him someday....I know it is not on the coast, but the drive to the coast is pretty, as I recall. I could make that work!


    Very pretty drive and just under an hour from (none / 0) (#26)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:41:01 PM EST
    Corvallis to Newport on the coast. It's the same here in Portland. In about an hour I am at the beach. If I wanted, and there have been times when I have wanted, I can drive to the beach for lunch.

    And the mountains. OMG! As I'm sure you remember, ruffian, Illinois has a dearth of both ocean and mountains. On a clear day one can see five mountain peaks from right here in the city. And, in not much more than an hour of driving time, I can be on Mt. Hood.

    That's right. Drive an hour west and I'm looking at the vast Pacific Ocean. Drive about an hour east, and I am in the Cascade Mountains.


    All true, of course, but here (none / 0) (#30)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:04:39 PM EST
    on Port Townsend Bay I can from my window see hundreds of peaks of the Olympics on my right, hundreds more of the Cascades on my left and the very top of Mount Rainier on a clear day!

    If not happy (I never ask that question) I am at least content with saltwater, sky and mountains.  The skies are phenomenal here on Puget Sound.


    Oh my, I have spent a day there too (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:09:16 PM EST
    Definitely right up there on my favorite places list. I really do think my retirement will be in the northwest somewhere. I am angling for a job assignment to Whidbey Island at some point too.

    See, I am plotting my escape...


    Whidbey! I can see it from here! (none / 0) (#37)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:22:22 PM EST
    Definitely one of the best places.  I have friends who live there and love it and the ferry in my front yard goes straight to Whidbey Island (altho they call the route Coupeville now for PR/tourism reasons!)

    I rode that ferry over from Whidbey (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:38:20 PM EST
    one afternoon a few years ago when I was up there on an extended business trip and had a free afternoon. So beautiful! I loved walking around Port Townshend. I did a walking tour, as I recall. Such a beautiful place. I did not realize you lived there.

    Lived in PT most of my life (none / 0) (#55)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:41:36 PM EST
    since age 10 when my father mustered out of the Army...off and on as an adult...my mother's home town.  No longer just a mill town/military town nowadays.  Surrounded by retirement communities and the town has followed that pattern, drawn by the views, weather, lifestyle, nearness to Seattle and citylife.

    I am most partial to the Mukatillo-Whidbey (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:45:41 PM EST
    ferry however, due to the Ivar's on the dock where I can get my favorite clam strips and fries to enjoy on the ride. Yum!!!

    And you can get a beer on the ferry! (none / 0) (#56)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:42:11 PM EST
    Puget Sound is gorgeous. (none / 0) (#52)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:26:19 PM EST
    And Port Townsend is a dream of a town. We certainly don't own the market when it comes to Pac NW natural wonders.

    Living in Washington never appealed to me, though. Oregon was and is such a good fit for me. Still small enough that if you don't know someone, chances are you know someone who does. And, yet, big enough, that it doesn't seem like the world has passed us by.

    A lot is made of the "rivalry" between Portland and Seattle. I never understood that. They are very different cities, offering very different things. And Portland fits me better.


    I agree. Scale matters and what (none / 0) (#57)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:45:41 PM EST
    feels like home is home.

    I never understood the rivalry thing either.  Both are wonderful and very different cities with much to offer.  My favorite niece lives and works in Portland...and loves it.


    Hence, my 'what am I doing HERE?' moments (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:07:14 PM EST
    Must have said yes in a weak moment. It did seem worth a try. If I even had a boyfriend with a boat it would be nice! I need to hang out at the marinas more often ;-)

    I do love the Oregon Coast, (none / 0) (#53)
    by Zorba on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:05:35 PM EST
    as well as the coast in northern California.  I would be happy to retire in Oregon.  However, don't totally diss Illinois.  Yes, it doesn't have mountains, but the beaches along Lake Michigan are really great.  The Great Lakes may not be oceans, but there's a reason they're called "great."  They even have waves.   ;-)

    I'm not dissin' Illinois. :-) (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:32:11 PM EST
    The Great Lakes are great. And I especially love the Illinois countryside, the rivers and the farms and the fields and the dirt. We are not taking good care of it, but it's still some of the best dirt around.

    Fortunately for me, though, the pull of the Pac NW was so intense that I could not ignore it.  It suits me in a way the midwest never did.


    I appreciate Illinois more as I get older (none / 0) (#61)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:47:14 PM EST
    It really is pretty, with rolling hills, trees and rivers where I grew up. Plus Chicago, of course. I probably feel most at home when I go back to Illinois.

    Public beach! Also unlike your (none / 0) (#32)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:09:04 PM EST
    neighbor to the north.  My state of Washington sold a lot of our tidelands for short-term revenue.  Huge mistake.

    Sure, but you freeze your butt off (none / 0) (#67)
    by LatinDem on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:20:16 PM EST
    if you try to swim in the Oregon ocean.

    If you grow up freezing your (none / 0) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:44:56 AM EST
    butt off though, it is what is normal and it is too cold for most germs.  Swimming in the Gulf of Mexico is green bathtub creepy sometimes :)

    Never been to Cali... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:27:38 PM EST
    but if your back is to the high-rise condos, the South Florida beaches are great...and much calmer for bathing than California.  

    A little green up by Pompano, but down South Beach that gorgeous Carribean blue.

    Here on LI they're green, but we've got some real gems.  And two options, ocean south and the sound north.  Being anti-air conditioning and no pool at home, Sunken Meadow Beach on the sound 10 minutes away is huge for me in the summer, and free after 6 pm.  I still can't believe ya gotta pay to use the creators bath tub 'round here though...outrageous, especially with the property taxes 'round here.  By what right! They even charge you to walk on the beach on Long Beach...not a beach fee posing as a parking fee, just to walk onto the sand.  


    Seriously, you have to pay just (none / 0) (#24)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:35:19 PM EST
    to stroll on the beach? You'll find none of that in Oregon. Walk the beach to your heart's content for free.

    The water is cold. Cold all year 'round.  It is not a lazy swimming ocean here in the Pacific Northwest. Run on the beach, sun on the beach, fly kites on the beach. It's all great. But no swimming without a wetsuit or you will turn blue in very short order.


    Seriously... (none / 0) (#27)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:41:51 PM EST
    hard to believe isn't it?  And lots of beaches are "private property", not that I pay any attention to the signs:)  There is a private beach on the sound by my sisters house, we use it all the time and the worst that has happened was a dirty look from the "owners", as if such things can be owned, lol.

    Still hope to do the West Coast road trip in the not to distant future, sucks I couldn't swing it this year.  You'll be one of the first to know Casey!


    NJ beaches charge just to walk on them also. (none / 0) (#71)
    by jawbone on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 09:55:36 PM EST
    Really! I had no idea about the beach fees. (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:35:44 PM EST
    That is truly just wrong.

    Yes, the FL waters are a lot calmer for swimming - also warmer. Whoever named the ocean 'the Pacific' was not body surfing at Huntington Beach.

    And I do like the white FL sand. But if you just want to go for a ride and look at the ocean scenery and maybe easily stop for a drink someplace - or even worse, ride a bike - forget about it.


    Fees for state-owned beaches (none / 0) (#35)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:15:18 PM EST
    in Washington now, too...thanks to our Democratic governor and legislature' institution of the Discover Pass.  Grrrrr.  Took me 6 years to undo state parks passes system last time they imposed fees and I will never forgive these Democrats...taking the very last free pleasure and quality of life from poor people and the unemployed...the state parks we already own and paid for.

    Just one more reason I'll never be a Democrat again.


    That's just awful (none / 0) (#59)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:16:12 PM EST
    as I well recall the Washington coast; I have lots of family there (and in Oregon with its great coast).

    I cannot imagine beach fees imposed here in the Midwest -- but the way it's going, I appreciate the heads-up, as that proposal probably is coming here next.  Every other crazy idea does. :-)


    Uh (none / 0) (#62)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:55:08 PM EST
    On the bright side...sort of....when I was a kid we had no car so no way to get to a state park... If you're poor enough to have no car but close enough that you can bike, the cost for state parks and DNR lands is free since the pass is really a parking pass..  I didn't see a state park until I was 20...

    What I really hate about the "Discover" pass is that it's tied to a car, rather than a household...so we had to tie it to our highest gas mileage car, so we wouldn't be stuck getting another pass if we needed more car space for a particular trip.

    I'm sure the state doesn't care because it means more gas tax revenues...a double bonus.


    In other words (none / 0) (#63)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:56:29 PM EST
    The poor are likely not being hurt by this, it's the lower middle class that have to endure the pain.

    Nope. The $30 access fee (none / 0) (#65)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:08:06 PM EST
    per vehicle is a major barrier to all low-income people's use of their parks.  We've been through this before and have the data.

    While most state parks are rural and require a vehicle to reach them, not all are.  In my small town of 9,000 folks, a major 400-acre state park is right in the center of town with the nicest beach and many amenities which we have paid for and volunteered for.  Too bad.  Thirty bucks, please.

    It's just wrong and won't raise the revenue required to operate all parks and keep them open.


    Oregonians voted to dedicate 15% (none / 0) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:47:41 PM EST
    of lottery monies to state parks and natural resource protection (things like watershed improvements). This will continue forever unless the voters decide at some future date to rescind it.

    Prior to 1998 our parks were a mess. They were falling down, in need of major rehabilitation work. And we were on the verge of simply closings down several of them. Instead, we passed a ballot measure that guaranteed that 15% through 2014. Since the first ballot measure passed in 1998, we have rehabilitated old parks and opened several new state parks. That measure was just renewed in the 2010 election, and extends the funding forever.

    In addition to guaranteeing that state parks remain available to and owned by the people of Oregon, this measure has also been a job creator. Building new parks and maintaining existing parks requires the work of actual human beings. And the work of protecting our watersheds and other natural resources also requires that people be hired. Some of these jobs are state jobs and some of the work is contracted to private companies.

    Lord knows the voters of Oregon have made some bad decisions at the ballot box. That g@d@mn income tax kicker being among the worst, but where our parks and natural areas are concerned, well, we did good.


    I don't (none / 0) (#38)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:24:48 PM EST
    know how you stand Orlando. We considered moving there back in the late 90's and all I could think was yuck. The landscape is not that pretty. My husband thinks it's a wonderful place. He and I vehemently disagree on all this. I'm of the mind, if you're in FL, you might as well be near the beach. The job he was considering was somewhere between Tampa and Orlando and I was pushing to live in Tampa if he took the job instead of Orlando. Orlando is fine to visit I just don't think I could live there.

    There are many people that love it (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:41:04 PM EST
    I think they are crazy, personally!

    I really should get to the beach more often, but the heat just sucks all my energy. All I want to do is stay indoors.


    Born and raised here in MO and (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:59:56 PM EST
    have lived here all of my life. My daughter, son-in-law and grandsons live here so it is definitely home for me.

    At one time thought about moving somewhere warm year around, but was unwilling to go so far from Nana's boys. Now that my finances are much more precarious and chances of illness have increased, it looks like I will stay here indefinitely.  

    Northeast PA (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Lora on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:11:38 PM EST
    Relatively good place to be for global warming.  Lotta rain, lotta cloud cover.  Heat is not too severe.  Storms tend to be a bit more moderate here than elsewhere.  Flooding can be a huge problem for many here, courtesy of the Susquehanna River and its many tributaries.  For me the flooding's generally limited to the basement on occasion.

    People are practical, down-to-earth.  Good sorts.

    I live in a part-suburban, semi-rural area that is very beautiful, and I'm fortunate to work in the same lovely area.

    My spiritual home is in Vermont.  I swear, the grass IS greener there.  Lost a summer place there a couple of years ago, the prettiest spot on earth.  I admire Vermonters and their politics, love the towns, farms and land and especially the Lake Champlain area and would move there if I could.

    Family keeps me where I am, though, which isn't bad at all.

    Champlain Valley is where I live (none / 0) (#44)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:49:28 PM EST
    But I've been in NE PA a few times and the countryside there is also very beautiful.

    I actually think VT's grass is greener than PA's anyway.  I could always tell when I crossed the border from NY to PA because there started to be just a faint bluish tinge to the landscape.

    Where was your summer place in VT?


    Summer in VT (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Lora on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:20:45 PM EST
    North Ferrisburg.  Place was in my family for over 90 years.  Then a new land owner was able to take possession of our camp due to a strange old property law, and that was it.

    Summers on the little sandy beach, now mostly under water... catching crayfish under the willow tree... canoeing to Lewis Creek or Little Otter or the Cove or Deans Islands... swimming, fishing, even frogging with my parents when I was very little... taking the ferry over to Essex... spending the day in Burlington, going to Vergennes, to Middlebury... Kennedy Brothers statue of Champ... Ben & Jerry's... mostly hanging out in the cabin doing jigsaw puzzles, playing cards, making a fire in the fireplace, visiting friends or just reading on the porch and listening to the sounds from the other cabins in the evening...

    Well.  Yeah.  Best place in the world.


    Oh..and my favorite (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Lora on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:22:38 PM EST
    Watching the sun set over the Adirondacks from Brimm's Rock.

    There are, you know, a fair (none / 0) (#74)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:34:18 AM EST
    number of these camps that come up for sale every year for not much money.  I see them advertised on the bulletin board at my general store all the time.

    After what happened with the lake flooding this year, I wouldn't buy one right smack on the water, though!


    Maybe one day (none / 0) (#87)
    by Lora on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:36:03 AM EST
    I'll get another special place on "my" lake!  (well, not exactly "on" the lake, a little higher up on the shore, perhaps!)

    CO purple mountains & PA green (none / 0) (#51)
    by christinep on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 04:11:42 PM EST
    First: I've lived a good part of my life in Denver; and, the longer in Colorado the more its vistas are appreciated & loved.

    Second: The home/birthplace/remembrance connection is strong. My hometown in the coal region is also near Pennsylvania's Susquehanna. The green, green of the Alleghenies & so many trees tug at you all your life. I'll be going for home-again short visit in October. (Dreaming of that covered bridge fair at Knoebel's Grove.)

    Third: Even tho relishing always the CO land that I live on & the PA home of early childhood and many later visits...there is something to be said for ocean. 'Started thinking about Agate Beach and the drive south...wonderful awakening place, that Oregon. Then, I started to think about the smell of salt water mixed with pine on that one day long ago in Maine.

    Wonderful places to live have a lot to do with expansive, adventurous, thankful possibilities.
    Now, we need for there to be The Great Nebraska Sea, and the drive to the beach from here would be easy.


    Have to be near the ocean (none / 0) (#66)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:10:52 PM EST
    NoCal preferred.  SoCal also is fine.  Though out here I often get the troubling sense that things are a little too perfect, and that Mother Nature is about to unleash The Big One.  

    And "The Great Nebraska Sea"?  Didn't Edgar Cayce have a rather vivid dream of the 22d century where Nebraska was then part of the west coast?


    Nebraska Sea projection (none / 0) (#69)
    by christinep on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 09:08:01 PM EST
    Well, darn, I'll not be around for that new sea, then.

    Moved to south central PA (none / 0) (#96)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 10:03:26 AM EST
    nearly six years ago from Texas. The people here are kind of parochial, but it beats the hell out of Texas. I'll take PA winters over Texas summer anytime! I'm not far from Philly, Baltimore, DC or NYC for that matter for a dose of culture and city life.

    I guess that wasn't really the question (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by CST on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:16:37 PM EST
    I'm happy (ish) where I live.  My family is here, a lot of my friends are here, and as far as cities go, Boston is pretty solid.  Plus it's close to a lot of other places I want to be.

    But I always start to get antsy whenever I think of a place as permanent.  Boston is a bit small, and it's only one place on earth, out of so many places.  It's hard to picture myself in one place very long.  It feels constraining.  That being said, I graduated a while ago and I'm still here.

    I guess that's how "40 years later" a place becomes permanent.

    Here's a blood boiler.... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:55:16 PM EST
    buncha grifters do a buncha grifter sh*t, great-grandmother about to get evicted from her home of 44 years.

    Last hope is a call for civil disobedience to keep the city marshals from tossing her out on the street on Friday...I'll be outta town, so don't let me down NYC!  Human barricade time!

    I moved from SF to Seattle in 1970 (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by esmense on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:09:11 PM EST
    ...most of my friends in San Francisco were from the Northwest -- Seattle and Portland area. One friend moved back to Seattle early in that year and invited me to come for a visit -- after a series of incidents, happening close together, seemed to indicate my time in San Francisco was up -- mugged on Market Street, had my pocket picked at Macy's, and finally, an arsonist set fire to my apartment building (in the air shaft right across from my unit. Luckily, that morning I woke up with a case of bronchonitis and a fever so high I was delirious. I actually, and uncharacteristically, called my folks. They too me to their place in San Bruno -- where, out of my head with fever, I was able to watch my burning apartment bulding on the news).

    It was the "last one to leave turn out the lights" era in Seattle -- but, I easily got a job as an editor with a (doomed) little start up (started by a laid off Boeing engineer, and a laid off art director and writer from the regional edition of TV Guide) based in some too far before its time computer technology. It folded in little more than a year, but it was a great year and added acredit to my resume that made me look like someone much hipper about technology than I really was. I went back to SF briefly and then to Tucson. The day I left town was one of those gorgeous break your heart Seattle days when you feel like you can reach out and touch the Olympics and the Cascades and Mt. Rainier floats like a God above it all -- in the taxi on the way to the airport, a little voice inside my head said "someday you're coming back to this." At the time, I didn't believe it. But 4 years later, in Tucson, I married a man with roots in Seattle who was starting a job at the newly opened Cascades National Park. We moved to the Marblemount at the foot of the Cascades and then to Seattle in '76. I've been here ever since. (Although, for the first 15 years, I kept thinking it was temporary).

    This town has been very good to me.

    CBS News--military pensions will be Changed... (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by jawbone on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 10:03:30 PM EST
    Per this diary at FDL.

    Also here.

    Ah, the security of a 401K approach. And the pensions can't be touched until age 65.

    Gotta love it. They'll even still the military personnel.  Nothing like Corporatism!

    Wall Street is really getting its (none / 0) (#73)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 11:02:50 PM EST
    moneys worth. Moving from a set pension to a 401k just what Wall St. ordered.

    Solders don't have enough risk in their lives they now need to risk their pensions in the market.

    Also in the Fort Bragg post:

    The traditions of paying service members of the same rank and experience identical base salaries may need to end, Gates said, as part of larger effort to control costs and better reward those whose skills are in highest demand according to a June report by the Virginian-Pilot.

    The secretary has suggested that military salaries could be reduced, given that the services have consistently exceeded all recruitment and retention goals in recent years.  

    Who says high unemployment is a bad thing. The services have consistently exceeded all recruitment and retention goals in this high unemployment atmosphere and now they may be able to reduce military wages too.

    Millionaires and billionaires are too poor but solders have now joined the poor, middle class and seniors and are being viewed as too rich.

    By the time Obama is through, ABG and his savvy Wall St. friends will be the only people voting for Obama and the Dems in 2012.


    This is just as bad as privatizing Social Security (none / 0) (#79)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:57:06 AM EST
    Is it too late for members of the military to protest and reverse this? I know several that count on that pension to help with the transition to private life long before they reach 65. This will be a huge change to their plans.

    Just read the stories (none / 0) (#81)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:04:29 AM EST
    and at the same time am listening to Obama on the radio bragging about his new tax cut for vets returning from Iraq and Afghanistan. Hypocritical, to say the least.  

    Does he want even one military vote? Sure does not act like it.


    Never felt like I had a home (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 11:16:41 AM EST
    Very odd thing.  We moved all the time when I was a kid, more than ten times, and never left L.A. county.  Then I spent a few decades in San Diego, but all the time I was torn about moving back to L.A. for my career and my family, whom I know I needed to be closer to.  Now, here I am in the Bay Area.  Maybe this'll be the one.  Though I know, at some point, I'm going to move to New York.  My father was raised dirt poor on the lower east side.  He started acting there, made it to Broadway as a young man, then left for SoCal and never returned.  I think I'm supposed to return for him.  Always have thought that on some level.  

    But I will say this, as for weather, I have been a blessed man geographically, having to deal with none of the extremes so many of my fellow citizens do.  So I'm lucky as hell, and happy, in that respect.  

    Off to play some tennis with young Dadler, get him away from that flight simulator program he's gotten addicted to since he did a camp at the Hiller Aviation Museum a few weeks ago.

    Happy Rocky Mountain Anniversary, J!  Hope you get forty more.  Peace.

    add weather (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 11:18:16 AM EST
    How could I forget being fortunate enough, as a kid, to grow up breathing some of the chunkiest air in the world.  That was my extreme.  Oxygen made out of rusty mufflers.

    New York is always home... (none / 0) (#3)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 11:34:36 AM EST
    wherever I may roam.  Specifically the streets of Queens...I've gotten used to the ghetto 'burbs, and like the little extra peace and quiet, but I'm back in Queens enough for that true down home feeling and the best pizza and bagels.

    How long I'll be able to continue to afford the higher cost of living is another matter, but no plans to relocate as of yet, and I'm happy where I'm at.  Being close to family is very big for me, that was the hardest part about living in Florida...missing the fam.

    Obama likes to talk about pivoting (none / 0) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 11:37:54 AM EST
    to jobs. Obama must be dizzy (see video below) from all that pivoting.  

    Obama's Pivot to Jobs Deja Vu Video at C&L

    Talk is cheap especially when you decide that you won't spend any money on creating jobs but instead will cut spending thereby eliminating  jobs.

    Just one more politician who is "All hat and no cattle."

    Pivoting = spinning, around and around (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:06:32 PM EST
    so stop pivoting, Obama.  I mean, how long does it take to pivot?  A split second.

    He's calling it pivoting, but it's really just spinning.  Pivoting is just spinning in place and not moving forward.  

    Or it could be called twisting in the wind, couldn't it?


    There's home, and then there's (none / 0) (#5)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:17:33 PM EST
    where you really like living.  The two aren't always the same.

    "Home" for me is the Boston surburb I lived in for 50 years, but I like living out in the middle of nowhere in VT farm country much, much, much better.

    Just curious (none / 0) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:18:58 PM EST
    but do you get lonely living out in the country? Sometimes I think it would be nice and then other times I don't.

    I've lived in the country and did not like all the driving it entailed. That to me was the biggest drawback. Where I live now is considered exurbs and I still think I spend too much time in the car to go places.


    Hmmm. My response to this disappeared (none / 0) (#75)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:40:38 AM EST
    That never happened before.

    Short answer, no, not lonely at all, but at this point in my life, I've become a bit hermit-like.

    Distances to anywhere are a pain, but a 20-mile drive to the supermarket every week or so on fast country roads though beautiful countyside and with no stop lights isn't all that onerous.

    I work out of a home office, so no commute to endure, which makes a big difference.

    No place is perfect, so it just depends on what your priorities are.  Mine at this point in my life are privacy, beauty of surroundings, and peace and quiet.


    Metro Detroit (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:34:37 PM EST
    is home, but I live in Northern Virginia and work in DC.  Maybe it will feel like home someday, but even my BF pointed out that I always talk about Detroit as "home" or "when I go home".

    Oregon is home to me. (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by caseyOR on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:50:14 PM EST
    I moved here in 1977 and never looked back. I remember driving here in my '66 VW. When I crossed the state line from Idaho to Oregon I felt instantly "at home." It was like my entire being relaxed. And I've never had even a moment of homesickness or wanting to go back.

    I was raised in central Illinois. And I left Illinois because it wasn't the right place for me. I have never referred to my visits back as "going home," but rather as "going to visit my Mom," or "going to see the family."  

    Work took me to Los Angeles (hated it) and San Francisco (loved it) for a few years in the late '80s. Oregon was still my home, though, and I knew my time away would end, and I would go back home. And I did.

    There are so very many places I want to see, visit, explore. There is no other place i will ever call "home."


    What a coinkydink... (none / 0) (#70)
    by desertswine on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 09:32:37 PM EST
    My 66 VW brought me to New Mexico in 1973, its still in my garage waiting for a promised restoration which has yet to happen.

    There is a certain magic here. So I stayed.


    Houston (none / 0) (#10)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 12:51:55 PM EST
    Been here for 13 years; born and raised in Wisconsin.

    Been all over, but Houston is the city I love.  

    Like old Berlin, I feel like it's a little chunk of the north, surrounded by the south.  I am city dweller, so I don't see the dark side of Texas very often.

    Trying to figure out my next move.  Love Houston, but it's a younger persons city, no way I retire here, too busy for a slow mind.

    Next year the plan is too buy some property in Ecuador for extended vacations and eventual retirement.

    Lived all over Texas (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:14:35 PM EST
    Bryan AND College Station, Round Rock / Austin, San Antonio, and Conroe (bet you know where that is!)

    LOVED San Antonio, and Austin to a lesser degree.


    I Know Conroe Well (none / 0) (#88)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:47:28 AM EST
    When I first moved here, by chance, one of my childhood friends lived there.  His roommate, a friend of my brothers, played in a band at several Honky Tonks around Dayton.  

    Talk about culture shock.  Nothing like the movies, and it still blows my mind that you can bring booze to bar and only pay for the set-ups(cup, soda, and ice).


    More profit in selling you (none / 0) (#89)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 10:52:39 AM EST
    ice and mix. Plus the shrinkage is less and there isn't any tax thing to keep up with.

    Dallas use to have wet precincts and dry ones. You could literally walk across the street and go from one to the other. Plus many clubs were "private" and that allowed them to serve alcohol and stay open later.

    Membership was $1.00 a year. Kept the rift raft out.


    I thought (none / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 01:12:36 PM EST
    I should have moved to the next town over, Cut-N-Shoot, just because it would have been fun to tell people where I lived.

    Still Like That (none / 0) (#94)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 09:44:30 AM EST
    Add in the spotty smoking bans, and Dallas is pretty much a crap shoot.

    I love, love, love going to the liquor stores there because they people who check you are active Sherriff department officers in full regulaia.

    Something so satisfying about have a cop sell you liquor.


    Left Texas almost six year ago. (none / 0) (#95)
    by Chuck0 on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 10:01:14 AM EST
    Best thing I ever did. That state has gone from bad to worse over the last six years. The weather, the people, the politicians. Don't miss any of them.

    Born and rasied in NJ, (none / 0) (#23)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 01:33:38 PM EST
    have lived in NY, PA, CO, AZ, UT, CA and England. The West is best...

    I'm not particularly (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 02:29:44 PM EST
    fond of where I live. It has its good points and its bad points. Right now it's hard to live in GA because it's so economically depressed. I'm from SC and wouldn't go back there for anything right now. One of my favorite places I lived was Chicago because you could walk wherever you needed to go.

    Only one thing that I did wrong (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 03:52:45 PM EST
    I stayed in Mississippi a day too long. Enjoy Sheryl and the Dixie Chicks performing a great Dylan song for we wanderers.

    Mississippi...hmmm... (none / 0) (#58)
    by oldpro on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 06:57:57 PM EST
    I came across this today in reading an article on healthiest counties to live in/US...

    "While counties with the highest life expectancy are scattered geographically across the United States, the five counties with the lowest average life expectancy for both men and women are all found in one state, Mississippi. In the five lowest-ranking counties, women on average live less than 74.5 years and men less than 67 years. In 2009, Mississippi had the lowest median household income of all 50 states."


    So for those of us worried about cuts (none / 0) (#60)
    by Towanda on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 07:19:15 PM EST
    to what Obama calls "entitlements," the solution is to move to Mississippi -- and not have to eke out more years on Social Security and Medicare that won't be there.

    Please, please tell me that there's an Option 3!


    Interesting (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Aug 15, 2011 at 08:05:17 PM EST
    Wonder if we could control the results re body fat??

    The country is getting fat. The South is really getting fat.


    I sent this to a friend in Mississippi (none / 0) (#76)
    by oldpro on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:57:09 AM EST
    today and he responded that it's the fried food!  That until he moved to Mississippi he'd never heard of (much less eaten) fried pickles and fried biscuits!

    that, plus the fact that it is too hot to move (none / 0) (#80)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:00:18 AM EST
    People get a whole lot less natural exercise down here in the summer. If I don't walk slowly I am dripping wet just walking from my car to my office.

    Maybe pre - universal air-conditioning people got more used to the heat and were active despite the heat. Now we just stay indoors.


    Yes...he mentioned the heat! (none / 0) (#90)
    by oldpro on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 11:21:47 AM EST
    I can't imagine acclimating to it when you can wipe me up with a mop if it's over 72.

    I'm sure drinking gallons of (none / 0) (#82)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:24:58 AM EST
    "sweet tea" doesn't help either.

    Also, let's face it people with extremely limited funds find ways to eat cheap which means that in most cases they are not eating healthy.


    Oh yeah (none / 0) (#83)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:30:47 AM EST
    that "sweet tea" is a really calorie packer. My mother in law makes hers with 1 1/2 cups of sugar to a gallon. It is probably the worst thing in the world for you. Something about the south that sees sugar as some sort of food of the gods. I'm seeing less and less fried food though at home and seeing more people eating at fast food which is also fried and something that lower incomes eat more of.

    I recently saw some type of food (none / 0) (#84)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:55:57 AM EST
    show where this guy drives around the country and samples food at various diners etc. To make a long story short, I was surprised to hear how often lard was one of the ingredients in the most popular recipes at a couple of eateries in the South.

    Lard (none / 0) (#85)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 07:59:16 AM EST
    is making a comeback because it's not hydrogenated and it's natural. I can't imagine frying something in lard is any worse for you than some of the other things people use.

    The lard was not just used (none / 0) (#86)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 09:25:48 AM EST
    for frying but was one of the added ingredients. IIRC, I wasn't all that fond of the taste of lard.

    Can't say that I always eat healthy but luckily I am just not into deep fried food.

    Stir fry OTOH where you barely spray the pan and quick cook veggies so that they remain crisp and barely cooked is one of my favs.  


    My grandmother (none / 0) (#91)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:14:59 PM EST
    cooked with lard but I sure can't remember the taste of it.

    My mom cooked with lard (none / 0) (#92)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 12:29:24 PM EST
    I don't remember it having a taste, but just a different texture than butter that made it melt down a little smoother.

    Born there, everything else feels alien (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 16, 2011 at 06:46:52 AM EST

    Just a bit short of 40 yrs, north of Colfax Ave- (none / 0) (#97)
    by BBQinDenver on Wed Aug 17, 2011 at 01:54:08 PM EST
    opened the door to a City Park South apartment on 31 December 1971. The Bluebird was showing firstrun movies, the bookstore was for everybody (not just adults), and two kosher butcher shops...
    Arrived from Lawrence and Kansas City, to continue working (program & administrative) with the American Friends Service Committee. Then family, other stuff and a 9-year stint at Univ Of Colo Med Center, finishing with the quarter-century of BBQ. and now the leisurely reinvention of myself. Had not planned on Colorado, hard to imagine somewhere else now.