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    Classic Clip (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:10:24 AM EST
    Thew PR of Brittan leaving destruction in his driver driven vehicle after announcing that Scotland Yard will launch it's largest investigation ever.  Ever... seems as if these 'hooligans' have hit a nerve requiring more effort then the subway bombings, the Iraq debacle, and the thousand other problems that require investigation.

    If they had only put this sort of effort into not screwing the poor, this wouldn't be happening.

    Maybe if they put this level of effort in planning, maybe someone would have not been out of the country vacationing and could have reacted a day or two earlier.  

    Maybe the JackA PM shouldn't show up with a driver while the city burns only re-enforcing the mem that they are out-of-touch.  And both the PM and Mayor were welcomed with disdain, something that doesn't fit the media narrative, so it's not being show.

    Even Bush has enough sense not to show up in NO in a suit and limo.

    Nope, not their fault, it's the dirt poor hooligans with unimaginable influence; they are spreading the violence throughout the country.  Definitely no people fed up, that crazy.

    Around 2:40 mark

    Just a few bad apples... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:41:12 AM EST
    just like Abu Gharib.  No systemic problems to report, everything is on the up and up.

    Gotta run commoners, fox hunt followed by a banquet this evening. Cheerio!


    It's Never Management or... (none / 0) (#36)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:05:43 AM EST
    ... anyone of means and power, it's those people with nothing, who have zero power, that will bear blame.

    You forgot the Prime Minister's personal masseuse who was brought along to Tuscany.  They can't expect him to use the local talent in times of austerity.  Never mind the fact that he actually has a personal masseuse who probably makes more that 99% of the people in these neighborhoods, ditto for his driver.

    Quite Losing Focus, Scott, this is about drunk hooligans that want free stuff.


    Just watch the news... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:13:40 AM EST
    on the boob tube, they'll straighten you right out mate and remove such crazy thoughts from your mind.

    Who is happier than Rupert Murdoch right now?  His arse is out of Scotland Yard's frying pan (not that he'd be fried or anything).


    Plus... (none / 0) (#58)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:41:08 AM EST
    ... the revenue he is generating from the coverage while simultaneously getting to push the bad apple mem.

    Let's send the PM (none / 0) (#95)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:52:58 PM EST
    a copy of "The Last Czar"-- a good read,  that features a former Queen's granddaughter, to while away time when  traveling back and forth from his Tuscany Villa.

    CNN is full of investing tips today (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:50:23 AM EST
    And anyone who listens to them and follows their advice doesn't know enough about today's markets to even remotely be able to play on that field and you shouldn't be gambling with your money in this fashion.

    Why, on day's like today is CNN always full of all this "investing advice".  It's weird, it feels like Politburo.

    Oh yeah (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:52:30 AM EST
    AND DON'T MAKE ANY HUGE MOVES UNTIL YOU TALK TO YOUR WORKING FOR FEES AND COMMISSIONS FINANCIAL ADVISOR.  This is what CNN keeps saying today.  Walter Cronkite would never be telling me this $hit.

    And Cramer... (none / 0) (#46)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:22:36 AM EST
    ... who's only talent is being wrong all the time, even on Monday, he said the markets would remain flat.

    Yet they parade him around as an expert.

    Financial 'experts' giving public advise should divulge their portfolios.  I would like to know if they are stupid or con-men/women.  

    If Cramer heads his own advise, he should have carryover losses for the 20 years.


    everyone knows by now (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:21:44 PM EST
    that reading the comments on any news org's website is bad business.  For some reason it seems like all the wingnuts on the web post on these boards, if only to whine about the liberal press bias.

    Occassionally though, you can read through the comments and find real "gems".  Today I was reading an article about sharks on the cape and how they are advising people to stay away from seals.  There were only a few comments so I took a peak.  One of the comments was a rant about how seals are evil and polluting our waters and need to be entirely wiped out.  I just thought, wow, who knew that there was someone out there who hated seals to such a degree that they really want to kill them all off.  What did those friendly faces ever do to him/her to incite this deeply held anger?  People are strange.  It's probably Obama's fault too that there are so many seals :)  Someone should do something!

    Well played... (none / 0) (#86)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:24:53 PM EST
    I can always count on non-TL internet comments to make me feel like a sane, rational, normal human being...no easy task mind you:)  Seals are an especially strange windmill to tilt at.

    Youtube especially has some real winners.


    China 'launches' Aircraft carrier. (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:27:14 PM EST
    story here from Yahoo.

    Before anyone panics, it was originally being built as a Soviet carrier.

    It's an old design, doesn't have arrestor gear like US carriers, and probably will have to employ Sukhoi attack aircraft and some VERY short legged fighters.

    Where this makes a difference?

    a) national prestige

    b)Matsu, Quemoy, and of course Taiwan.

    In the grand scheme, not much of an escalation, and certainly not a tipping point. India has operated carriers for years, for example. I think b) may be more visible as the People's Liberation Army Navy (yes, the Navy is a subordinate force to the Army) shows the flag around theTaiwan Strait.

    So... let's await the belligerency, and hope it doesn't happen.

    Gerald USN, this is your department...

    Panic? (none / 0) (#89)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:39:28 PM EST
    Nah...I panic when Goldman Sachs launches a new investment vehicle.

    Honestly... (none / 0) (#93)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:45:10 PM EST
    never thought the term "investment vehicle" would come out of the kdog's mouth.

    okay, maybe it IS the 'End Times.' (none / 0) (#98)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:58:48 PM EST
    Believe you me... (none / 0) (#101)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:07:15 PM EST
    if the darn things didn't send the world economy into tailspin I'd still be in ignorant bliss, and an "investment vehicle" would still be the mode of transportation that gets you to the track...as it should be.

    hey K, check your (none / 0) (#102)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:17:56 PM EST
    email... pirate message.

    Taiwan (none / 0) (#91)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:44:33 PM EST
    can believe in (none / 0) (#92)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:45:06 PM EST
    I think we got'em now (none / 0) (#127)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 05:56:59 PM EST
    I mean spending more and more on defense obviously is the wrong thing to do.

    (Sarcasm directed at the anti-war people.)


    Why my father makes me laugh (5.00 / 2) (#88)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:36:32 PM EST
    He may have split when I was a kid, he may have had his failings as a father, but his perspective as a public school teacher, which he did for many years while also acting (which often got him in trouble with administrators for ditching out to go to auditions), is priceless.  I may have told this story before, but it came up again when I was talking to him on the phone -- or yelling at him, since he refuses to get a hearing aid ("You're a World War II vet, you can get one for free, just do it!" I implore him to no avail).  

    The story goes like this.  He was a teacher who was tough, had high expectations for his students, and he refused to label kids as good or bad, smart or dumb, he really thought everyone capable if they did their best.  And he is basically a teddy-bear with a rough exterior sometimes.  So one day, when I had to accompany him to school for the day (my mother and stepfather had to go out of town, and my school was off for teacher conferences), I was wandering around the classroom in between classes.  I was maybe 8 or 9, this is the early 70s, mid, whatever, and I stopped at one desk, reading the message left on it by a student.  The message had actually been carved into the desk, and deep, the pocket knife obviously wielded with intense hostility.  I read it curiously.

    "Dad, what's this mean?" I asked him, pointing down at the engraved message, which read:

                  "Suck My B*lls, Adler!"

    He perused the sentence and chuckled.

    "It means I'm doing something right."

    I said I didn't understand what he meant.

    "At least I got him to put a comma in the right place," Dad said with odd satisfaction.

    Happy 84th, old man!

    (His birthday is actually a mystery.  His mother told him one day, his brothers told him another, and the birth certificate he finally got from the hospital 70 years later told him another date.  Ah to be a lower east side tenement-dweller during the depression.  They never even know you exist.)

    Great story... (none / 0) (#99)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:00:48 PM EST
    Any chance ya can get him back teaching? The schools could use him...they slap the cuffs on kids for that kinda thing now, instead of drawing due satisfaction at the proper use of punctuation.

    To this day... (none / 0) (#103)
    by Dadler on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:18:33 PM EST
    ...he has no idea how he lasted as long as he did.  One of his least favorite places, he used to say, was the teacher's lounge, where he was forced to go to grab a smoke (though back then they had a smoking area for kids older than 18, lol).  But he hated the lounge because he said that's where he heard his colleagues label kids and, therefore, limit them.  He never let a kid's prior rep affect the way he treated that kid.  He still goes into my nephew's elementary school and reads stories to the kids, though.

    Send some random b-day love... (none / 0) (#104)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:26:46 PM EST
    from me will ya?

    Ahhh, just the thought of the old school Teacher's Lounge requires a cig break...


    "A lot of action.... (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:22:25 AM EST
    lot of action".

    "Looks like we caught a hanger Sarge!"

    "You should have played those kings Mike."

    Free stock tip, for your gaming pleasure, to the first person to name that film.

    No Prize, but... (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 03:27:38 PM EST
    ... great quote from a degenerate gambler.

    It's immoral to let a sucker keep his money.

    Rounders (none / 0) (#4)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:33:30 AM EST
    Winner Winner... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:43:51 AM EST
    Chicken Dinner!

    Here's the tip...tyranny sector stocks are a strong buy.  Barbed wire, barricades, tear gas, pepper spray, tasers, rubber bullets, and assorted mfg's of tyranny gadgets...the sky is the limit!


    I'll Take Another Inflatable Bouncy Castle... (none / 0) (#24)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:34:27 AM EST
    ... and pass on Edger Winter prize.

    Click Here for joke reference.


    Rounders? (none / 0) (#5)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:34:57 AM EST
    and here's a tip, you always want to be the house.

    Have you cheked in (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:37:40 AM EST
    with the E-Trade baby lately?

    And more (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:47:26 AM EST
    Wisconsin (none / 0) (#2)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:26:36 AM EST
    Two victories in six races but overall a thorough defeat for the money, the time, the hoopla, the people and the rhetoric, and it isn't over.  Now the Democrats have to defend their home goal.


    1.  won back a seat that shouldn't have been lost
    2.  won the seat of a morally bankrupt politician that will take solace with his very young mistress.  At least his wife is somewhat happier.

    Ignore Nate Silver on this one.  Walker will be safe next year, and the money, time and people need to be held out for the major 2012 elections.

    Nope. (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:52:12 AM EST
    This was Citizens United vs. citizens of a state.
    Against more money than ever has been spent in state legislative races, and all in solid red Republican districts, two Republicans now are booted out the door (and really fast; being recalled barely gives time to pack up a desk).

    And the Repubs in the state Senate now have only a one-vote margin -- and that vote is the very moderate and very powerful Dale Schultz, former majority leader who voted against Walker's budget bills.

    So a moderate -- not a reactionary rightie, not a wingnut, but a moderate -- Dale Schultz just became the most powerful man in Wisconsin.  Walker and the Fitzgeralds and even the Brothers Koch now have to be very, very nice to a guy who voted against them -- and who will do so again, because he is very, very ticked at the treatment that he got from those guys.  Just last week, getting ready for yesterday, he blew open again in the media the tricks that Walker played.  Quite a fun read, that story; sorry you missed it.


    Good to see your comments, Towanda (none / 0) (#73)
    by christinep on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:42:28 PM EST
    I remember when it was said: Oh, even getting the signatures for recall will be sooo difficult; ooh, the Repubs have put up phonies to challenge the Dems prior to the recall...and, that is going to be a majore hurdle to overcome; and, oooh, Wisconsin has gone Republican throughout...just last November.

    While this isn't the three-part final victory that we hoped for (and you worked so hard for), this is more than the giant step to correct the off-track of last November. It is baloney for the WP fool writer, e.g., to conclude that momentum has been derailed. IMO, we have witnessed a feat very unique in American political history: A party set back on its heels last November has more than come back in less than 9 months to come within an inch of overtaking control of the state senate. When observers and hard workers digest, analyze the underlying facts--including the salient fact that residents there were asked to vote multiple time in the short span of 9 months--they will see the dedication of united people power that is rarely demonstrated. And, that is more than a moral success...that is door-knocking, vote building reality.

    Thank you so much. (On Wisconsin!)


    And Dems still can win 5 of 9 recalls (none / 0) (#76)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:54:46 PM EST
    because last night was only the second round.

    One of the Dem incumbents, not primaried by "fake Dems" -- the ploy that Repubs used to win time and spend more millions -- already held his seat weeks ago.

    Two Dems replaced two Repubs yesterday, in districts that went Repub amid the 2008 Dem sweep.

    And it's not over:  Two more Dem incumbents face recalls next week.

    If those seats can hold, the final score will be Dems, 5 to GOP, 4.

    Bad political observers see only horse races, indeed, look at only one lap instead of the big picture.  Bad betters put it all on one lap, Gerald.  That's how they lose in the end.


    Paul Ryan was not (none / 0) (#97)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:54:37 PM EST
    appointed to Cat Food II.  Maybe he feels he will be too busy.

    More likely, he just has too high a (none / 0) (#100)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:01:13 PM EST
    profile - better to appoint those most average people know nothing about.

    It really doesn't matter who the GOP appoints: does anyone really think they will not be in lock-step with their party's stated agenda?


    Yes, but Ryan is their star. (none / 0) (#106)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:40:17 PM EST
    And, Jon Kyl walked out on the Biden negotiations, but that was so long ago.  But, I agree,  there will be  a block vote and we know what it will be.

    Ryan will be busy getting ready (none / 0) (#111)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 04:49:11 PM EST
    by raising funds to run for Herb Kohl's Senate seat.

    I was Up There Last Week (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:35:21 PM EST
    The political ads were hard core.

    I recognize Darling because the zillion dollar homes on Lake Drive in Milwaukee all had tacky Alberta signs in their yards.  

    No one seems to get the humor, tens of thousands spend to make their laws look picture perfect, until they need push a candidate who's only goal is reducing property taxes, then $10 political signs are the new vogue, by the people with lake front property.

    I'm glad I was on vacation, because no way could I take the political commercial intensity a week before a recall election.  By far, the most vile and over the top commercials I have ever seen.


    Agree; I was back there last week (none / 0) (#78)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:03:01 PM EST
    as well to work for the Dem against Darling.  The Dem is a nurse who has not forgotten that she came from the working class, a self-made success story, a longtime hard-working  volunteer and advocate for the mentally ill, a mother and a wife and a really wonderful person to meet.  

    But in the most disgusting ads I ever have seen, she was pro-pedophiles and anti-veterans and a scary harridan who wants to release all criminals to murder and rape your children and . . . the Kochs and their Club for Growth and their Americans for Prosperity and their American Federation for Children and uncounted other orgs spent incredible millions on such messages.

    This was the most money ever spent on a single legislative district race by far in the state and, some say, in the country.  The total spent on just six legislative districts was more by far than on the statewide gubernatorial race.

    And if this is the future of Club for Growth politics coming to your state, give away your teevees and get a postal box and run for cover.  


    The Political Climate... (5.00 / 1) (#108)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 03:10:45 PM EST
    ... is not the one I left 12 years ago, it was ugly, but worse, those ads wouldn't be used if they didn't work.  It was a sad trip for me, maybe I idolized the state in my mind, or maybe they have gone insane.  I saw an ugliness that shook me.

    The good news is that (none / 0) (#112)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 04:56:10 PM EST
    it didn't work that well for the Kochs and all of their organizations, since they lost two seats and lost Republican ground in a lot of others.

    The sane Wisconsinites with whom I talked about what we saw also are disgusted and only wished that the one positive ad -- by Darling's Dem opponent -- had had more air play, but she was outspent, of course.  And not only by the Repubs; the Dem also was outspent by many Dem organizations that went over the top in their ads.

    A lesson that I sure learned was to send money to the candidate, as I did, and not to the outsider organizations that put Wisconsin in their names and got people all over the country to send money to ActBlue and the like -- all to pay high salaries to professional campaign managers who have no stake in the state; they fly in, don't learn localisms, do polls that make outsider mistakes, impose ads that turn off locals, and fly out of the state before polls close.


    Thanks so much for the (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:12:59 PM EST
    on-the-ground reports, Towanda.  Really appreciate it, and you've certainly boosted my morale about this a bit.

    Agree with you 100 percent about giving money directly to the candidates, not the outside groups.


    No way Walker is safe next year (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:00:41 AM EST
    He remains quite unpopular, and the results last night in Republican leaning districts doesn't change that.

    Glad to know that (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:13:16 AM EST
    Walker's safe (none / 0) (#22)
    by itscookin on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:19:00 AM EST
    The Democrats are going to need their money for all of the other races in 2012, and the teachers' union's membership is going to take a nosedive when their dues are no longer automatically deducted from their paychecks.  Less union money to throw around. There are recall elections next week for a couple of the so-called "flee-baggers", and their seats are by no means safe. "Elections have consequences." Time for both sides to grow up. This has set a very bad precedent. Think about how you would be howling if the shoe was on the other foot. If the Wisconsin Democrats don't like what Walker is doing, give him a Democratic house and senate in 2012.

    Willful ignorance (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:26:01 AM EST
    Money will be available from all over the country to unseat Walker.

    Take away the "recall" appellation and it would be insane not to run a full campaign against him. As a recall it still isn't even a hard call.


    Wisconsin Dems (none / 0) (#29)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:54:37 AM EST
    Are going to possilby try and schedule recall for November 2012.  It may come down to presidential politics - that and there are 2 more recall elections next week.

    Agreed. And, in my view, (none / 0) (#31)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:57:27 AM EST
    there is a silver lining in yesterday's voting results in that the  movement against Walker remains with the efforts of the Wisconsin citizens.  No complacency or undue reliance upon Democratic senators--as good as they are.  This is a case where "close" counts.

    You're against the democratic process (none / 0) (#35)
    by Towanda on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:03:25 AM EST
    and entirely legal process of recalls?  You consider them immature, a bad precedent, etc.


    You think that we should think about how this would hurt our toes if stepped on by big, bad Republican shoes.

    Jeesh, again.  Of course, what is to be expected from a commenter who uses the term "flee-baggers"?  I bet that you think that what they did -- what Lincoln did as a legislator, as well -- was illegal, too.  

    Jeesh, again and again, but in just which despotic country would you like to live, and in just which century?

    But heck, to take a page from your book:  If you don't like the entirely legal and democratic process of recalls, then get to work to change the law.

    That ought to keep you busy while Wisconsin Democrats work toward 2012 -- the people whom you think aren't thinking about 2012.  You just keep thinking that, there in your happy place, huh?


    The money, time, hoopla, etc (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:25:53 AM EST
    are also applied against the 2012 compaigns, only a year form now. I view it as a head start, not a waste.

    British burning problem identified (none / 0) (#3)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:29:54 AM EST

    "The way we police in Britain is not through use of water cannon," Home Secretary Theresa May told Sky News. "The way we police in Britain is through consent of communities."

    How's that workin' out for you?


    Actually (none / 0) (#52)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:37:19 AM EST
    it does work.  But, I don't believe you understand what it all means and what the events in Britain mean.

    it means (none / 0) (#63)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:08:11 PM EST

    that the looters care not a fig for the police or how much some fuzzy thinking cop/politician kisses up to some poorly defined "community".

    Does work?  You might get away with "used to work," but it is clearly not working now.



    or that they do (none / 0) (#66)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:15:46 PM EST
    since if you knew anything about this one of the issues is that the police in this neighborhood were not doing any "commmunity" policing and were perceived as being part of the problem.  Particularly after they shot someone.  So the problem is that they failed to do their job correctly, not that they were tasked with the wrong job.

    Now I see (none / 0) (#75)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:48:43 PM EST

    Countrywide riots, arson, and looting are the fault of the police.  No doubt the looters/rioters were police out of uniform.



    you are being intentionally obtuse (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:56:52 PM EST
    nowhere did I write that.

    But the police were NOT doing "community policing" which is what you implied was a failed policy.  I was just pointing out that they were not implementing that policy.  You were the one who said that whatever it was the police were doing wasn't working.

    Now you're just trying to have it both ways.


    IRS (none / 0) (#6)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:37:08 AM EST
    Refuses to recongnize legally married same-sex couple, using DOMA as their defense defense.


    They have to (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:50:14 AM EST
    This isn't a surprise.

    It's still the law of the land.


    Which Law ? (none / 0) (#26)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:42:58 AM EST
    Married is married, no one gets married by the Fed, their documents are legit as anyone's and the law doesn't require the IRS to use DOMA because it's been ruled unconstitutional in two courts, they are just being prix.

    The IRS? (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:59:05 AM EST
    Pr*cks?  Nah, can't be:)

    Michelle B. must still have contacts from her days working for the devil.


    Uh (none / 0) (#44)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:21:54 AM EST
    The Attorney General declared DOMA unconstitional back in February. However, as you know, that does not negate the law, since it is up to the judiciary to declare a law unconstitutional, and in fact, in a letter to Speaker Boehner, Holder said that while the DOJ would not defend DOMA, it would continue to enforce it until Congress repealed Section 3 (the clause that specifically defines marriage as between one man and one woman) or until "the judicial branch renders a definitive verdict against the law's constitutionality."

    Now, it has been declared unconstitutional in bankruptcy courts, but those are not the final arbiter of this case with respect to the IRS. It was declared unconstitutional in a Massachusetts federal court, but (and I don't have time to research this), it has been upheld in other federal courts (Washington State, I believe), so I think there's a split in the circuits, with other cases winding their way through the system.

    I'm not arguing it's right, but it still is the law, and the Executive has stated that the administrative agencies will still enforce that law.


    I was about to ask (none / 0) (#49)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:25:53 AM EST
    if anyone knew the status of the various court cases going through the system.  I knew of the MA ruling in 2010 but haven't heard anything about it since.

    Right, but... (none / 0) (#53)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:38:45 AM EST
    ... they could recognize, as they often do, court rulings, and make the change w/o breaking a law no one is enforcing, and a law they surely know will declared unconstitutional once it hits the Federal Courts.

    I promise you, if weed was legal, and one judge in one city ruled the legalization law unconstitutional, every government agency would recongnize that ruling and view it as illegal.

    When they agree, one set of rules, when the disagree, different set, both viable options.  IOW, they are being prix as stated earlier.


    If I understand the link (none / 0) (#43)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:20:30 AM EST
    correctly, IRS required married same sex couples to file both a "dummy" joint return that does not count, and a single return that does.  What are they doing?

    Clarification on same sex marrieds (none / 0) (#83)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:15:29 PM EST
    Case#1:  If married in NY and a resident of NY, for federal taxes,  need to file two separate, single returns (no change); need to prepare a joint federal return (which is not sent to IRS since not recognized) but is used to file NY state tax. Case#2: If married in NY and a resident of Illinois, for federal taxes, need to file two separate, single returns, and since Illinois has a state income tax but does not recognize same sex marriage, file two separate Illinois state returns (no change).  Case#3: If married in NY and a resident of Florida, for federal taxes need to file two separate single returns, and since Florida has no income tax, no  state returns (no change). Case #4: If married in NY and a resident of MA, for federal taxes, need to file two separate, single returns (no change), need to prepare a joint federal return (which is not sent to IRS, since not recognized), but is used and filed for MA state tax. (MA permits/recognizes same sex marriage).

    So, more cumbersome and costly; but, looks like in 2011, spousal heath insurance coverage will be treated the same and not taxed as imputed income.   Perhaps, in a few years, joint filings (and the savings) will be permitted.  


    Next trivia question: (none / 0) (#9)
    by oculus on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:44:53 AM EST
    how much of her data package did Oculus use trying in vain to locate the source of kdog's quotes?

    What the hell is a... (none / 0) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:49:30 AM EST
    data package? Nevermind...:)

    If you use a Blackberry Oculus, stay out of England...they might shut down the network so free people can't communicate in encrypted privacy.

    Next stop martial law.


    That's what I thought too (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:53:09 AM EST
    But what I understand about data and packages has never been a strength of mine.  I assumed I was just dumb :)

    For a second... (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:03:47 AM EST
    I thought it was what Clarence Beeks delivered to Blank-fiend, Nickel-n-Dimon, & Vikram Bandit at sunrise this morning so they can't lose today.

    Not that they can lose even when they lose or anything.


    We lost yesterday (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:12:45 AM EST
    but we didn't.  My husband and I bet a dollar, I said that the Fed wasn't going to go QE3 and the market would go down.  He said the Fed would QE3 and the market would be "stable".  Our family dollar bet twice was hedged, and confidence was high.  We were both wrong but nothing happened, it just happened to everybody else :)  Same as it ever was :)

    LOL... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:18:21 AM EST
    A dollar, Randolph & Mortimer stakes!

    "Mortimer, your brother is not well..."

    "F*ck him!"


    More Tea Party hypocrisy (none / 0) (#16)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:01:30 AM EST
    Michele Bachman's against evil, federal government spending and stimulus packages ...

    ... except when she wants some.

    Up and moving around today... (none / 0) (#30)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:56:54 AM EST
    but I would not recommend prostate needle biopsies as a 'health vacation.'

    16 different cores from an organ the size of a walnut.

    I feel like I've been shot at and missed, but sh1t at and hit!

    Who knew that the core (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:08:59 AM EST
    was the same size as a TRex brain :) I hope you feel better soon

    Well, they say (none / 0) (#45)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:22:27 AM EST
    men think with their reproductive organs... this might explain a lot!

    Did your hubby hear anything that can be repeated about the ch-47 going down?

    Seems odd to me that since the Rangers on the ground had made contact and engaged in an active firefight that one CH 47 and no Apaches or fast-movers got called...


    They have worked together (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:38:56 AM EST
    before.  They are under the same command and work out of the same support hub (unless you are going after Bin Laden and then nobody knows NUTHIN).  It isn't common for them to preform missions together, only special missions and situations which I think are happening more and more often as they are getting better and better at working together seamlessly.

    I would guess whoever the target was it was a big one.  I saw one news report though that claimed it looked like their target was getting away...about to make an escape, and the SEALs came in to cut that escape off.  I have not read the reporter who got the scoop on all of this yet that has been considered so controversial, I'm assuming because he had facts and maybe names that many didn't want him to have.  I thought I would hunt up that report today since emotions have calmed.

    They really screwed up though about protecting the families by keeping the SF members unnamed.  The names were out there, and then suddenly the President isn't going to name names to protect the families.  The names have already been named in some places that can be found.

    One thing I do know, the 160th wasn't flying them...or at least that is what I was told yesterday.  And I don't know why that was or if it is an indicator that they were in an aircraft using a crew that was not designed and experienced in flying special forces missions.


    The 160th not involved? (none / 0) (#59)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:44:58 AM EST
    That's just bizarre, given this was a special ops mission.

    Chinook pilots in the 160th are better than the average...

    Wow. I'll check some of my sources to see what I can come up with.

    My big problem? After you're in contact, the secret is out, and it's time to use any and all assets. That saves lives.

    Hmmm. Curiouser and curiouser, and perhaps even more tragic if it was a goat f*ck from the get-go.


    If it was a goatf*ck (none / 0) (#94)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:51:45 PM EST
    Nobody is going to be happy if that becomes "exposed".

    There was at least one (none / 0) (#107)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:57:43 PM EST
    fast-mover providing support to the mission according to this report.

    I have had issues with supersonic aircraft, even with smart weapons, used for ground attack... Are there no A-10's available?

    The Apache can fly almost as fast as the chinook... what led to the Chinook leading the way instead of attack helicopters?

    What happened to dividing the forces onto two or three or four Blackhawks?

    Important questions for the investigation.


    This from on high :) (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 05:30:12 PM EST
    There probably were A-10s over head as well as Apaches, but when the Taliban hears aircraft overhead they do crazy stuff....like hide the rpg :)  The Taliban has made a poor man's science out of listening for overhead aircraft.

    But I got a response for Jim And this is specifically for Jim and his LZ raging.

    Jesus Christ, this isn't Vietnam (he really did say that too...not just me).  Every trigger pull has to be accounted for.  Tell him that the SEED packet (whatever this is cuz I don't know) was disapproved, and it was disapproved because it isn't even allowed.  This isn't a high intensity conflict where civilian casualties don't matter.  We even got a memo last year to keep the noise down because we were waking up the civilians and it was making them mad and they complained to the command :) Sheesh....who is this guy, what does he think we do over there just blow the hell out of everything?

    Good news though (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 05:45:42 PM EST
    The promotion list comes out tomorrow and a Colonel did not visit someone's office today with tissues.  There have been mistakes made in the past at this point though :)  I guess today was full of such horror stories being repeated.  This is it though, no higher to go...yer done.  I don't even want to know what it is like to deal with a Real Live Officer and all this.

    I'm guessing he meant ... (none / 0) (#116)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 05:52:37 PM EST
    ... the SEAD (Suppression of Enemy Air Defense) packet.

    Fingers crossed for the promotion!


    That's what it is :) (none / 0) (#121)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:56:49 PM EST
    MT (none / 0) (#126)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Aug 11, 2011 at 05:50:42 PM EST
    Please tell your Spouse.... With those ROE's...

    I wouldn't blame every man from walking away. I don't know how, or why, they do it. They are being asked for too much.

    And yes, I believe that blowing the hell out of everything in a war zone is the thing to do.

    In fact, at one time,  the whole country did.

    And we haven't won a war since we quit doing that.


    Funny how nobody's walking away (none / 0) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 05:11:27 AM EST
    Jim and the people with the proper training for these missions deploy somewhat in a voluntary way. And it is astonishing how many of them have completed the extreme trainings to even qualify to work these missions.  The military doesn't want anyone stressed out and not thinking straight on any of these special forces ops though.  I think the longest you can deploy without a serious getting sent home break is 6 months.  When you are refreshed and ready to go back is when you go back.

    It was Iraq and blowing the hell out of everything and killing everyone who was innocent for no reason, that broke everyone's hearts and spirits and souls and had everyone walking away.  Today's military are truly people of immense courage, strength, ethics, and conviction.


    Everyone dies (none / 0) (#129)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 05:38:50 AM EST
    I suppose you can die with some honor and dignity and ethics or you can die a filthy scum sucking murdering pig.....and most people choose the former.

    First of all you don't have to defend (none / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Aug 12, 2011 at 09:44:19 AM EST
    the people or their mission. My comments have been solely about the mission management and the ROE's. I state again I don't know how they do it or why given that they are being asked to take unnecessary risks for a foreign policy which is clearly designed to not win the war but provide a withdrawal strategy that can be politically defended by Obama.

    My hat is off to them and I honor their service. And I thought you, of all people, would know that.

    Secondly, I also understand the dying with honor part. Sounds good until you match it with unnecessary risks designed to provide CYA for a politician.  

    In the dying with honor vein you need to go back to WWI when the French, after their troops figured out that the tactics were getting them slaughtered in a no win situation and started to protest/refuse, executed some of them to improve morale. That destroyed the French army long term and trailed all the way past WWII and into N Africa and Vietnam.

    And I understand this isn't Vietnam. There is no doubt that the troops are better motivated and better trained.

    But when I see troops killed because of, if I understand your husband's comments, ROE's forbidding certain tactics in a combat situation, then I just want to curse and kick.

    No military service can survive long term such leadership. No man or woman should ever be asked to serve in such. It is time we decide if we want to win wars or be politically correct to try and mute the anti-war Left.


    Hmmm, starting very soon, I may not (none / 0) (#33)
    by observed on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:00:05 AM EST
    be experiencing any warm weather for the next 8 months. I'll keep you posted

    Let me know if they need a (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:11:08 AM EST
    sociologist, quantitative methodologist, English instructor or Spanish instructor... heck, geography, journalism, creative writing... just about any field with no value in the real world, I bet I can teach it!

    Heck, physical education, horticulture (long as they only want practical experience), still trying to come up with more... English as a Second Language, Philosophy, fishing?
    Okay, poker...
    Did you say instruction in Russian or English?  

    I can imitate Fearless Leader from Bullwinkle, as long as Dadler gets to edit!


    Seriously, go to (none / 0) (#65)
    by observed on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:15:35 PM EST
    Higheredjobs.com under your discipline heading. The NU ad will be at the top, if they are looking...and they probably are. U wisc. is handling humanities.

    doing it. (none / 0) (#69)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:20:05 PM EST
    thanks. I'm not going anywhere for 6-9 months, though, so I'll live vicariously through your descriptions.  Unless everything turns out well on Friday or Monday when I get my results, and I get offered an immediate position in Colombia, that is...

    they will be hiring (none / 0) (#70)
    by observed on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:26:15 PM EST
    next year, for sure

    how was pitt? (none / 0) (#34)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:00:59 AM EST
    I'm pretty jealous of your entire endeavor.

    I liked pittsburgh. I was surprised how green with (none / 0) (#37)
    by observed on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:06:08 AM EST
    trees it was. I also found the people very friendly.

    Almost a done deal??? (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:06:49 AM EST
    Nice ob...nice.  We'll all have a Kazak connection, let me know what they charge for a carton of Reds there, maybe you can be my new supplier:)

    kdog, (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:19:20 AM EST
    think about this... sevruga and beluga caviar at prices even we can afford...

    new black market, er, ah, free enterprise entrepreneurship?


    Hmmmm...the Caviar Pirate Crewe... (none / 0) (#51)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:35:02 AM EST
    no violence, no need to stop any ships, but we can still dress in puffy shirts and carry swords. We just use the swords as canopeners.

    I like it! What say you, mateys! Parlay!


    Just spotted (5.00 / 2) (#80)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:03:44 PM EST
    the pirate puffy shirt

    Arrrrrrrr! (none / 0) (#82)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:11:25 PM EST
    now a tricorne hat and some fake gold teeth!

    They be carrying those shirts down in your latitudes, CoralGables? We might just need a Purser!


    Hmmm, interesting business (5.00 / 1) (#109)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 03:17:03 PM EST
    opportunity. Surely, there must be a market for bargain-priced caviar.

     I believe bread is still generally affordable. So, no need to branch out into toast points. And that means nothing perishable. So, no need for refrigeration and its attendant energy sucking requirements. And that will be good for kdog. Less time for him on our electricity-generating treadmill. He'll just need to run long enough to power the laptops and keep the beer cold.

    This has real possibilities, mateys.


    There's definitely a market for it (none / 0) (#122)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 08:20:42 PM EST
    I may corner it all by myself. But only if good champagne is involved...

    Now we're cooking with oil... (none / 0) (#56)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:40:16 AM EST
    smuggling prescription drugs in from Canada, smokes and premium Tequila from Mexico, all the goods Americans are getting ripped off or over-taxed on that are cheaper in other nations.

    Sh*t we can make a killing just running smokes up the Atlantic coast from the Carolinas...and fireworks!


    hey, keep the cigs on the downlow... (none / 0) (#60)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:46:45 AM EST
    But I don't know if ATF agents can read, so never mind.

    (oooh, I'm gonna make some ENEMIES... if they can read it)


    How much would J charge us (none / 0) (#68)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:17:30 PM EST
    to keep her on retainer, k? think she might give us a group discount?  Just kidding, Jeralyn, maybe...

    well, maybe caviar (none / 0) (#72)
    by observed on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:39:46 PM EST
    smuggling is a capital crime

    Is it one of the (none / 0) (#74)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:44:13 PM EST
    scheduled drugs the DEA worries about?

    they recently implemented (none / 0) (#47)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:24:12 AM EST
    a bike sharing program in downtown boston.

    Great idea in theory.  In practice, there appear to be some serious growing pains (although I do still think it's a good thing overall).  Boston is not exactly a biker-friendly city.  There is certainly a local population of bike-commuters who have dealt with the fact that there are no bike lanes for years, and are used to dealing with the messed up streets/traffic patterns in this grid-challeneged city.  But it's a love/hate thing, since in order to do that, they often act like real @ssholes.  Full disclosure, I am not a biker, but good friends of mine are, and I have no problems with bikers as a driver, my problems are as a pedestrian.  I've almost been run over by bikers more times than I can count.  And usually it's when they're yelling at me to get out of the way as they run through a red light or hop up onto the sidewalk.

    Now we have a ton of amateur bikers out as well, a lot of whom are tourists, which means they are always lost and haven't got a clue how to get around the city on foot, nevermind on wheels.  I've seen 2 bike accidents happen just walking around my office since they implemented this program like 2 weeks ago.  The city should probably have waited to do this until after they put in more bike lanes.  At least the commuter bikers are used to dealing with the traffic and know how to get around/where the bike paths are.  I could easily see some tourist getting killed on a bike soon.  The traffic $hit show here is a real problem.  That's what happens when your urban planners are cows.  Anything else we do is just retrofitting to that design.

    copenhagen has a bike sharing (none / 0) (#50)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:32:39 AM EST
    program...apparently it's a fantastic transportation means, but I don't know how long it has operated. Like you said, probably growing pains...

    At least these are bicycles, and not Harleys...

    What about helmets for riders there?


    I think you have to provide (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:50:14 AM EST
    your own helmet.

    Never been to Copenhagen, but if it's anything at all like nearby(ish) Amsterdam, than they have an extensive bicycle infrastructure in place.

    Part of the problem is that Boston is a terrible city to try to get around on wheels.  The roads were literally designed by cows wandering about the city, you couldn't find a right angle outside the back bay if you spent your whole life looking.  For those of us who live here, it's not so bad, as unlike in a gridded city, no matter where you are there is almost always a direct(ish) path from A to B, usually 2 or 3 paths.  Finding that path, or staying on it, is another thing entirely.  Trying to do that from a bike, as a tourist, with no bike lanes, and the drivers here being like they are, is a bit of a recipe for disaster.

    My guess is Copenhagen has bike lanes/paths at the least.  And is probably an easier place to get around in general.

    Maybe this will help change the street culture so drivers look out more.  But I still think bike lanes are a must for this to really work.


    I've never been to Copenhagen either. (none / 0) (#79)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:03:32 PM EST
    But it is supposed to be a spectacular place to live.

    Here's irony... the effective tax rate in Denmark, with VAT and everything, is something like 70 percent, but less than 5 percent of the people want lower taxes and less services. Research from last year, I'll try to find the study if anyone wants. I don't have online journal access like I once did, sigh...


    I can't imagine it being fun (none / 0) (#55)
    by ruffian on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:39:46 AM EST
    to ride around Boston on a bike as a tourist. I love bike touring, but not in a busy urban center. Seems like you could see more by walking.

    not for nothing (none / 0) (#62)
    by CST on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:52:44 AM EST
    it's often referred to as a "great walking city".  When feeling nice, I like to think that's because it's small, things are close together, and we have decent public transit.  When feeling not so nice, I say that's a way to put positive spin on the fact that you can't drive anywhere.

    They do it here in DC (none / 0) (#81)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:08:53 PM EST
    So far it seems to be a huge success.

    My problem with bikers is that they want drivers to watch out for them, yet they act like pedestrians and refuse to obey the rules of the road (blow through red lights, weave in and out between cars stopped at stop signs and red lights, etc.)


    In MD, we have a new law that requires (none / 0) (#96)
    by Anne on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:54:29 PM EST
    drivers to give bicyclists a 3-foot buffer, which, as someone who lives out in the country can attest, is not the easiest thing to do when there is no bike lane, the roads are windy and hilly and it is rare to have any uninterrupted sight line to determine if it is safe to go around the bikers.  In reality, buffer or no buffer, it's not really safe for biker or driver.

    And many of the bikers can't be bothered to at least alert the drivers behind them when it is safe to pass them.

    I live at the top of a road that is extremely popular with bicyclists because the hill at both ends is challenging - and I get that.  But, geez - I have had more than one close call with cars coming the other way on the back end of the road, where the turns are hairpin, uphill and most of it isn't really wide enough for two cars to pass without one of them having to go partially off the road - there's no shoulder.  Add a pack of bikers struggling to make it up a steeply graded hill, and it's not a lot of fun.

    I'm happy to share the road with bicyclists - I'm not one of those people who honks or screams out the window - but I wish the roads people - whether state or local - would make it safer for everyone on the road and put in actual bike lanes.


    Bikes on twisty country roads (none / 0) (#119)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:23:15 PM EST
    are accidents waiting to happen.  We have lots of them here too on bike vacays, struggling up the hills you can't see over on narrow roads with no shoulders.

    Yeah but D.C. (none / 0) (#118)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:21:45 PM EST
    is a planned city with nice straight wide roads.  Boston streets are mostly a rabbit warren.

    Agree with you 100 percent on the bike people.  They drive me nuts.


    Dylan Matigan (none / 0) (#57)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 11:40:49 AM EST
    In a righteous rant about the big picture.

    HOLD THE PRESS (none / 0) (#64)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 12:08:15 PM EST
    Today's Big Story

    A white woman is missing in Aruba.

    Media relieved of covering stuff they have to think about to twist.

    Saw that... (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:22:20 PM EST
    I expect heavy rotation airplay... a much needed Weapon of Mass Distraction.

    If only she were British, the rioters might go home to watch Nancy Grace for the latest updates.


    I'm betting not so (none / 0) (#90)
    by CoralGables on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 01:40:15 PM EST
    much airplay as you might otherwise expect. She has a sleeve and was on a trip with an internet matchup. That won't jibe with Nancy.

    Sure, it will (none / 0) (#120)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 06:24:28 PM EST
    Not as good as a lissome teenager, but good enough, and Nancy is HEUGGE on not blaming the victim.

    Weapon of Mass Distraction (none / 0) (#124)
    by cal1942 on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:43:31 PM EST

    Perfect description.


    Some wonderful, old-time (none / 0) (#105)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 02:27:07 PM EST
    country music with Rickey Skaggs. that one wasn't Bluegrass, just delicious country music. This one is... The Osborn Brothers.

    Rich music...

    Obama (none / 0) (#113)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 05:20:08 PM EST
    planning to rerun W's 2004 reelection campaign.

    I guess that's what you do when you have a terrible record.

    Opera joke for Oculus... (none / 0) (#123)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 09:27:39 PM EST
    After days of 'reviewing' what he should have learned already, this is my New Theme Song.

    I might have to post some (none / 0) (#125)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 10, 2011 at 10:50:26 PM EST
    music like Gladys Knight and the Pips for no apparent reason.