Sunday Night Open Thread

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Marcy at Empty Wheel has moved from Firedoglake to her own digs at EmptyWheel.net. FDL has added The Dissenter, covering civil liberties and digital freedom issues.

It's a baby girl for Ivanka Trump and Jared Kushner.

Law Prof Ellen Podgor at White Collar Crime Blog has some more thoughts on Roger Clemens' mistrial.

Rudy Giuliani says he believes in the presumption of innocence -- for Rupert Murdoch and NewsCorp.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    "Can Murdoch get a fair shake in the media? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dan the Man on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 09:42:46 PM EST
    " So asks the Washington Post.

    Yep.  Some billionare media tycoon can't get a fair shake from the media.  Next question: Is Rupert Murdoch being treated even worse than Lindsay Lohan's been treated?

    Save some for Ted Turner (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 10:20:51 PM EST
    He must be just eating this up.

    Much as I loathe Fox News (none / 0) (#18)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 07:43:49 AM EST
    (and Fox Biz), they have not been regularly breaking amazing stories about the inside dealings of either politicians or celebrities or crime stories.  I think Roger Ailes is also not quite so stupid as to get involved in this kind of phone-hacking or police-bribing stuff.

    Cozying up to pols, sure, but so does every other news outfit.

    I deeply regret to say I doubt very much if any of this is going to touch Fox News and Roger Ailes.  Their sins lie in other directions and are not officially criminal.

    The NY Post is another story.  This seems to be a newspaper scandal, not a broadcast scandal.


    I confess that I would welcome (none / 0) (#3)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 10:18:48 PM EST
    Roger Ailes being brought before a grand jury with a full grant of immunity.

    I want him to say what he knows under oath.


    Nah, no protection for (none / 0) (#58)
    by brodie on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:28:11 PM EST
    Ailes -- I want him ultimately subpoenaed just like any other suspect and forced to testify under full penalty of perjury under oath in front of Congress or a grand jury.  No partial immunity/Ollie North deals, either.

    If he's let off too easy, he'll just re-emerge to fight against us, and democracy, another day.  Probably sooner rather than later.  Just getting Murdoch, tempting though that is at the moment, isn't enough.  Murdoch, Ailes, James Murdoch, the female exec -- all of them need to be held fully accountable.


    You would like Ailes held accountable (none / 0) (#62)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 03:41:04 PM EST
    for what, please?  For the phone hacking scandal at a British newspaper he has nothing to do with?

    I'd like Ailes boiled in oil, personally, but there's no indication whatsoever that Fox News has ever indulged in any of this kind of stuff.

    Seriously, when was the last time you heard about Fox News breaking some big celebrity/politico/crime story based on astonishing inside information nobody knows how they came by?

    That's not Fox News's shtick.  They're into breaking the politics of America, and you don't need to risck hack somebody's phones to do that.


    We don't know yet, gyrfalcon (none / 0) (#65)
    by christinep on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 06:48:24 PM EST
    Many of us believe that there is a likelihood that the several unethical (& perhaps more) practices in London were repeated in practice in New York. My particular interest is the Wall Street Journal, since the just-resigned head of DOW & owner of the Journal is Les Hinton, reputedly Murdoch's closest business associate. Given the number of "interesting" undertakings by Wall Street & its merchants throughout the first decade, I believe that it is worthwhile to assume that Muurdoch & reps had their hands in any number of activities that might be associated with what so many have considered the heart of the problem of the Great Recession.

    This is just the start of the investigation. ('Caught a brief reference upon turning on the evening news, wherein AG Holder notes that they are in the early stages of investigating.)
    The British situation jelled for a few years, before the present "spontaneous" upheaval. My real concern: The invitation--and, probably, reality--of abuse by so powerful a communications giant. (On a smaller level, that is Izvestia & Pravda of yore; it can also be likened to the power of state-owned presses in dictatorships.) To me, the issue of overreaching authority reposited in Murdoch & co stands at the forefront of this decade's issues. (Please see NYT article in the past day by David Carr, an outstanding Times real journalist.)


    No, we don't know, but so far (none / 0) (#66)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jul 19, 2011 at 04:18:57 PM EST
    there isn't the slightest hint of an accusation, never mind evidence, that the Fox cable news operations were involved in any of this.

    And I'll say again that it wouldn't make any sense for them to because that's not what they do.  This is what tabloid newspapers thrive on.

    That Murdoch is deeply involved in all kinds of ugly political/financial shenanigans wouldn't surprise me in the least, but that's a whole different story (and a far more important one).

    We can all yearn for Ailes's downfall, but it ain't coming through this particular scandal.  He and Fox News have been wildly successful just doing the sleaze that they do.  He's got no incentive to go around having people's phones hacked.  He's utterly amoral, but he's not that stupid.


    Oklahoma governor... (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by desertswine on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 10:16:48 PM EST
    calls for prayer to end the heatwave.  Because that always works so much better than... I don't know... sanity.

    THE red state turns red (none / 0) (#7)
    by andgarden on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 10:23:30 PM EST
    seems appropriate somehow.

    I wonder if the Governor will ask for a big government disaster bailout.


    Can Washington make it rain more, or (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Peter G on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 11:30:05 PM EST
    lower the average temperature?  That sort of bailout?

    They certainly took the heat off (5.00 / 3) (#14)
    by Rojas on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 01:16:09 AM EST
    them Wall Street boys...
    Just saying...

    If they weren't such a bunch of jerks (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 10:58:56 PM EST
    God wouldn't be mad at them like this

    If I were god, I would (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by observed on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 11:11:31 PM EST
    Have it in for the state which elected Inhofe AND Coburn.

    Oklahoma must repent now (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jul 17, 2011 at 11:15:56 PM EST
    and turn away from such evil living and dealings or burn :)  

    Hope God loves him more than Gov. Perry (none / 0) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:19:41 AM EST
    Gov. Perry Issues Proclamation for Days of Prayer for Rain in Texas

    NOW, THEREFORE, I, RICK PERRY, Governor of Texas, under the authority vested in me by the Constitution and Statutes of the State of Texas, do hereby proclaim the three-day period from Friday, April 22, 2011, to Sunday, April 24, 2011, as Days of Prayer for Rain in the State of Texas. I urge Texans of all faiths and traditions to offer prayers on that day for the healing of our land, the rebuilding of our communities and the restoration of our normal and robust way of life.

    Oh, btw maybe his (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:21:50 AM EST
    cuts to fire departments wasn't such a great idea.

    Is this a subtle recognition of Islam? (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:26:19 AM EST
    Masterpiece Mystery on PBS (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:45:08 AM EST
    I confess, I love just about every series that airs on Masterpiece Mystery on PBS. I especially like the ones that are based on novels that I have read. The TV scripts, of course, are not faithful reproductions of the novels, but MM does these adaptations better than anyone.

    Tonight was the first episode in a series based on the Aurelio Zen mysteries written by the late Michael Dibden. Zen, an Italian police detective living in Rome, is around 40, separated from his wife, and his mother lives with him. Zen is that rare Italian public servant, an honest cop, one who takes no bribes and does not plant information.

    Tonight's episode was excellent, and true to the idea of Zen as Dibden portrayed him in the books.  It's MM, so the actors are for the most part British, and I so appreciate that none of them attempted a fake Italian accent. Rufus Sewall, an actor with whom I am not familiar, plays Zen, and plays him well.

    If you like mysteries, and especially if you like mysteries set in countries other than the U.S., I recommend all of the Aurelio Zen books.  Dibden was an excellent writer.

    Thanks for the tip! (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 07:45:09 AM EST
    Correction needed to embedded URL (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 10:18:14 AM EST
    for Marcy Wheeler's new site; the "emptywheel" part is showing up in your post as "emptywheet," which means it doesn't go where it's supposed to.

    Anne is hereby crowned (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 10:38:54 AM EST
    official TL proofreader extraordinaire.

    Thanks, Peter - it's really more of a curse (none / 0) (#25)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:04:07 AM EST
    sometimes, though...in this case, the only reason I discovered the error was because I wanted to take a look at the new site and then bookmark it - and that's when I discovered what the problem was.

    Serious question about proofreaders: (none / 0) (#26)
    by observed on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:05:54 AM EST
    How does one get a proofreading job?
    I have a friend who, while extremely intelligent, has a very spotty employment record, because of health and personal reasons.
    He was state chess champion one  year in the 90's, to give you an idea of his smarts.
    He's a voracious reader, and very meticulous about details, generally. I thought he might be able to get a  job as a proofreader. I imagine not many people can proofread well----I know I can't.

    If you find out, let me know, as I've always (none / 0) (#32)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:27:44 AM EST
    thought one of my off spring would be an excellent proof reader and/or copy editor.  

    I still keep a letter (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:39:40 PM EST
    from a publishing company thanking my daughter for a letter she sent informing them of a mistake in her "kindergarten" workbook.

    It's so unnerving when you try to explain a homework question to your five year old, and she comes back with "I understand what you're saying but you're missing my point"... and it turns out she was absolutely right.


    Right. "Copy editor" is the name (none / 0) (#41)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:54:39 AM EST
    of the "proofreader" job at professional publishing houses (book and magazine), I believe.  Newspapers used to have them, too, but I think that's no longer true, with all the layoffs and cutbacks.

    For certain the LAT no longer employs (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:58:39 AM EST
    copy editors!   So frustrating reading an article in which someone who hasn't been mentioned at all in the article then appears as "Mr. Smith."  Who the heck is Mr. Smith and why should we care what he says or thinks.  

    Copy editing and proofreading (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by shoephone on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:13:55 PM EST
    aren't really the same. Proofreading is catching typos (spelling errors, number errors, and punctuation errors) and copy editing involves more grammatical usage. Anyway, newspapers have gotten rid of most of their editing staffs. Even book publishing houses have scaled back tremendously on editing, and it shows.

    The best way to get a job in the field is through contacts. You generally have to know someone. *You also need to have demonstrable editing skills in your work history -- that old catch-22. Most people start out by doing volunteer projects.


    Here's a thought... (none / 0) (#37)
    by easilydistracted on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:33:45 AM EST
    Might be worthwhile to market himself as an editor or technical writer, targeting government contractors and their proposal submission process. I'm thinking some of the small business, 8A government contractors. Some of the stuff I've seen come from these companies...outch. Good thing about it, it can be done from home.

    Wouldn't hurt to try.


    I think you mean "ouch," (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:51:52 AM EST
    not "outch."  ; )

    LOL - almost spit water on the screen... (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:44:05 PM EST
    nice to have a moment or two on a problematic Monday when I can bust out laughing...thanks!

    My main goal with that one, Anne (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 01:19:15 PM EST
    was to get there before you did!

    Peter G, I'm hoping Andgarden and you (none / 0) (#52)
    by vml68 on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:01:18 PM EST
    can help me out. I'm thinking of moving to Philly and was wondering where(towns) you would recommend buying a home. My husband's office is near Logan Square, so any place that is not more than a 45 min commute would be great.

    Send your name and e-mail address to TL (none / 0) (#60)
    by Peter G on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 03:11:46 PM EST
    via the "e-mail" link under "Menu" to the right side of the page, and she will forward them to me for private response. (Tell her I offered.) Describe your family situation (ages, kids, etc.), and what kind of things it's most important for you to be near. Your 45 min parameter makes it easy to have lots of choices.  

    See, (none / 0) (#55)
    by easilydistracted on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:17:42 PM EST
    That's just what I mean.

    Thanks. (none / 0) (#38)
    by observed on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:40:58 AM EST
    Easy-D... (none / 0) (#49)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:52:46 PM EST
    haven't seen you around my man...good to hear from ya!

    Hey... (none / 0) (#54)
    by easilydistracted on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:16:54 PM EST
    I appreciate the remarks. Looks like I'm back at least for a short while.

    BTW, KD, (none / 0) (#56)
    by easilydistracted on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:19:47 PM EST
    I trust all has been well you, Brother?

    Certainly can't complain... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:25:11 PM EST
    got my health and still eating under a roof...what more could one want? And having a kick-arse summer that should only get better...you know me, takin' er easy for all the sinners:)

    Hope all is well on your end with you and yours, and you're back for more than a short while.


    Check with publishing companies (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 01:27:49 PM EST
    Their job postings should have the basic requirements posted. Some of the positions could be listed as 'assistant' positions. I'm pretty sure that's what some were where I worked. A book went through several people on both edit and art sides and we all did a bit of proofing, but iirc, there were 3 sets of eyes on the edit side that saw the copy through every round.

    Might want to check into some of the more indie publishers and newer e-pub companies to start building a resume.


    Thanks. (none / 0) (#61)
    by observed on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 03:34:26 PM EST
    Thought-provoking post today by Greenwald: (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 10:41:34 AM EST

    Same theme but new application.  

    Tom Tomorrow's view of debt ceiling (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 10:49:11 AM EST
    negotiations:  link

    Tomorrow's cartoon (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:07:14 AM EST
    portrays Obama as stupid and gullible. Not an attraction picture of the president but better than than the alternative, I guess. The alternative that Obama is choosing to use this manufactured crisis to cut domestic and entitlement programs to pay for the Bush/Obama tax cuts and the upcoming corporate tax cuts is too painful for many Democrats to even consider.    

    I read two posts over the weekend, (5.00 / 0) (#39)
    by Anne on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:51:16 AM EST
    and one more today, that express very well what "the problem" is with Obama.

    The first was Matt Stoller's over at naked capitalism, in which he contrasted the leadership styles of Elizabeth Warren and Barack Obama.  After relating an anecdote about Warren responding to Republican hammering about whether she was running a campaign to, in essence, sell, the CFPB by saying, "I always try to convince people that I'm right," Matt says this:

    Contrast this with Barack Obama, a person who never fails to wrap his true agenda in gauzy opaque process jargon. Obama won't back his own NLRB or Boeing workers, or even Boeing itself; he thinks that neither side should waste time in court. He won't announce Social Security or Medicare cuts, he wants it to be part of a Grand Bargain for whom no one has to take responsibility. He demands an end to earmarks, or something, but we need an infrastructure bank or something. As a result, the Democratic Party is enmeshed right now in a guessing game about the true goals of their leader, paralyzed and unable to govern. When Warren is present, by contrast, the Republicans are able to argue strongly that they do not believe in government as an agent of good, while Democrats are able to articulate the opposite. It's a real, open, honest debate. There's no sliding around with 11 dimensional chess nonsense, it's straight up democracy.


    Many people are "disappointed" with Obama. But, while it is certainly true that Obama has broken many many promises, he projected his goals in his book The Audacity of Hope. In Audacity, he discussed how in 2002 he was going to give politics one more shot with a Senate campaign, and if that didn't work, he was going into corporate law and getting wealthy like the rest of his peer group. He wrote about how passionate activists were too simple-minded, that the system basically worked, and that compromise was a virtue in and of itself in a world of uncertainty. His book was a book about a fundamentally conservative political creature obsessed with process, not someone grounded in the problems of ordinary people. He told us what his leadership style is, what his agenda was, and he's executing it now.

    David Dayen's was the second post.  In the "Obama's Last Lecture" video that is making the rounds, Obama says this:

    the nature of our politics is to marry principle to a political process that means you don't get 100% of what you want. You don't get it if you're in the majority, you don't get it if you're in the minority.

    David says::

    I don't think anyone would disagree that Obama deeply believes this in his core. The man who came to power on a message of hope is saying that there's no real hope in implementing the full governing agenda in the American system. That's true, apparently, even if you have a large majority in the House and 60 votes in the Senate, which Obama had for several months of his first term. That's true, apparently, even if we're talking about issues and policies where the President has full authority on his own, with HAMP being the best example.


    But there's also a difference between the person who views those procedural blockages for what they are, and sees opportunities for pressuring those blockages through the court of public opinion, for making it difficult on those holding up progress to sustain themselves, for using elections as a lever to enable progress, and even for changing the fundamental structures to bring our democracy up to date to meet the challenges of the 21st century, and... Barack Obama. Because here he doesn't just acknowledge the need for compromise. He glories in it. He sees it as "part of the process of growing up." It's juvenile to act on your own beliefs, to draw bright lines that cannot be crossed, to express core convictions. "Don't set up a situation where you're guaranteed to be disappointed," Obama says. That's the worst thing that could ever happen. He makes an enemy out of disappointment, when it can just as easily be a rallying point, an opportunity to show a better path next time.

    In a follow-up post, Dayen responds to a Steve Benen post on the same video, and has this to say:

    Yes, when Roosevelt came up with a meager Social Security system, many of the activists working on the issue for years were unhappy. Rather than cover this territory again, I'll just quote myself. "Townsend" mentioned here refers to Francis Townsend, the retired physician who led the movement for old-age pensions, building a grassroots army across the country that claimed 20 million supporters.


    Similarly, abolitionists were harshly critical when Lincoln compromised on the Emancipation Proclamation. Civil rights leaders were apopletic at early, fatally compromised anti-discrimination legislation. Gay activists went nuts when Obama appeared to squander the opportunity to end Don't Ask Don't Tell. This is part of our politics, too. And the dissenters are almost always a positive force for progress over time. It's fair to say that progress wouldn't come in the form it does without dissent.

    And after reproducing a quote in which MLK, Jr. says:

    And I had to answer by looking that person into the eye, and say `I'm sorry sir but you don't know me. I'm not a consensus leader.' [Laughter - Applause] I do not determine what is right and wrong by looking at the budget of my organization or by taking a Gallup poll of the majority opinion. Ultimately a genuine leader is not a searcher for consensus but a molder of consensus.

    Dayen ends with this:

    Politics cannot survive on incrementalists alone. It cannot survive with only an inside game, and a political science conception of the art of the possible. Ultimately it needs people on the outside who look at what the incrementalists have produced, and say "No." It doesn't make those people juvenile, it doesn't make them unrealistic. It makes them an integral part of the democratic process.

    I get a sense that this assessment is beginning to get some traction; it's about time. I'd say.


    Obama sticks to his guns when (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:52:03 PM EST
    something is deemed important to advance his well being or agenda. Also, there is no real compromise included in his leadership. He starts out giving the Republicans what they ask for and then moves the agenda further right to get where he wants to go. So I'm really not sold on the arguments people are coming up with.

    What really concerns me is what the president of the United States is teaching the future generation. Teaching them to accept whatever the Masters of the Universe decree and not try to change things that they believe need to be changed. This so wrong in so many ways.

    It's juvenile to act on your own beliefs, to draw bright lines that cannot be crossed, to express core convictions. "Don't set up a situation where you're guaranteed to be disappointed," Obama says.

    How do you explain polls indicating he has (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:29:47 AM EST
    more public approval re these negotiations than Dems. or GOP in Congress?  Do the people responding to these polls want to see the safety net gutted?  

    I am willing to bet the questions (5.00 / 0) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:30:27 PM EST
    asked in those polls do not have any mention of cutting safety net programs. Many people hear Obama say he is not willing to "slash" the programs and hear that he will not cut benefits. After all firmly imprinted in the minds of the public is the meme,  Democrats protect these programs. Except time and with this so called Democrat.

    IMO if the question asked was:

    President Obama has included cuts to SS, Medicare and Medicaid in his negotiations to raise the debt ceiling. Do you approve or disapprove.

    I think the answer would be much different.  


    Is anyone else disturbed by the (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by observed on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:12:48 AM EST
    current coverage of Casey Anthony?
    I see the media portraying someone who the public might justifiably want to see dead.
    How else can you interpret the speculation about the danger she might now be in?

    It's a bi-product of (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 12:52:40 PM EST
    the Nancy Grace effect. But kudos to those that were able to sweep her away with not an ounce of media being able to follow their path.

    My favorite moment (and a psychologist's dream come true), was an interview with a sign carrying protester standing outside the jail at midnight who said, "she isn't worth my time".


    Seems to me she has become the victim/ (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:30:40 AM EST

    Maybe it's just a case of the media (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by observed on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:31:42 AM EST
    wanting to keep a ratings winning story alive.

    Probably. 24 hr. news cycle. Can't (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 11:33:38 AM EST
    saturate the viewers with, say, debt limitation negotiations and/or or U.S. military/intelligence doings abroad.  

    SITE VIOLATOR n/t (none / 0) (#16)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 03:18:31 AM EST

    Thank God she's free (none / 0) (#17)
    by loveed on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 03:46:17 AM EST
     When I lose faith in my country, Americans stands up and proves me wrong.
     George Anthony is a evil man. No father testify against his daughter the way george did. He planted evidence,and lied at every turn. He lied in his pretrial deposition about key evidence in this case (the duct tape and gas can). He voluntary informed the jury he thought she was guilty, when this question was not asked. He lied every time he testified.
     As more jurors come out and speak. There disgust and contempt for George Anthony is unmistakable. One even questions if he is the murder.
     I have no doubt that he molested her. And my heart breaks for her. For years George told her" no one will believe you". It still remains true.
     I hopes she receives the helps she needs.    

    US Women's Soccer Team -- (none / 0) (#53)
    by brodie on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:13:03 PM EST
    should have won that one.  2-3 chances to win when they were ahead, including going into the final shootout, but they bungled it with some sloppy defensive play, then got a bad case of the nerves in the PK period.  This type of loss will sting for a good long while.

    Congrats though to a very good Japanese team, clearly a talented and motivated group that was determined to do everything they could not to lose.

    And the US run of very late heroics and good luck was probably due to run out by the time of the final.  Very good team, but in the end they were a little shaky in the defense back when it mattered, and for some reason they weren't mentally up to the task when they just needed to kick into the net.

    I can't be too (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by Zorba on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 05:16:10 PM EST
    unhappy that the Japanese women won, even though I was rooting for the Americans.  This should give the Japanese at least a little something to celebrate, after the devastation they suffered with the earthquake, tsunami, and their ongoing nuclear reactor problems.

    Charlie Sheen in "Anger Management" (none / 0) (#59)
    by oculus on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 02:42:46 PM EST
    TV series?  You guys are slipping.  I had to read LAT on line to discovery this delicious irony.  LAT

    Emptywheel (none / 0) (#63)
    by call me Ishmael on Mon Jul 18, 2011 at 04:54:15 PM EST
    Jeralyn--Your link to emptywheel doesn't work.  I think that the correct link would be