Friday Morning Open Thread

Busy right now. Hopefully posting later.

Remember, Barca-ManU tomorrow.

Open Thread.

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    The "reform" these govs promised (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 10:36:12 AM EST
    is exactly what they are doing! Fineman wants to ignore that fact. Scott in FL, for example, had no 'reform agenda'. He just had a massive 'cut spending and taxes' agenda.

    These (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2011 at 11:28:02 AM EST
    people have been annoying me for years. Fineman was a huge Bush apologist and then moved onto Obama apologist. This is why I never listen to cable news anymore. They're all full of bunk.

    Me too (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:38:26 PM EST
    I haven't laid eyes on Fineman for a long time - does not seem like he has improved with time.  

    And it is happening on my Bday (5.00 / 5) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:04:53 PM EST
    I don't want to be jerk.  I don't know what is happening for my Bday but I think my daughter is doing whatever is going on, and I don't want to be a jerk.  But I really want to see this game.  I feel like such a dude

    Not jerky to suggest sports bar venue. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by oculus on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:09:50 PM EST
    We have the grandbabies now (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:19:12 PM EST
    and they are a big part of family celebrations.  And I do love that too. I can only make this work if I can get Zoey into the game, she will lead Naomi into it :)  But we do have a sort of family sports bar here.  I had not thought of that.  We could maybe swing that, but I bet nobody thought of this so I must drop the hints.

    Happy Birthday Tracy!... (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by kdog on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:14:02 PM EST
    It's your day...gather the clan and all watch the beautiful game together....we all be should be humored one day a year.

    I'll be margarita-ifying myself all day and into the night tomorrow, at least thats the plan...the first and last will be in your honor my dear.  And the first and last spliff in honor of your pops...the man done good work:)


    happy day before your birthday! (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by CST on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:18:19 PM EST
    I'm gonna be missing the game - because poor me is going on vacation for the first time in 3 years, so I will be travelling.  But I'm coming home just in time to go to the USA vs Spain game next Sat at Foxboro, although since it's a friendly I don't know how many of the top guns will be there.  My dad picked up tickets for the whole Fam.  Life is rough :)

    How FUN! (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:15:15 PM EST
    The whole family!

    a fellow Gemini... (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by lilburro on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:40:01 PM EST
    maybe that's why I enjoy your comments so much ;)  Actually, the only thing I really know about the Gemini sign is that Chris Rock joke, "Gemini...you're gonna die, twice."  

    Enjoy your birthday, and the game!  It should be on pretty early right?


    Have a great birthday MT! (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:47:31 PM EST
    You deserve it!

    Happy Birthday Weekend, MT (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by christinep on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:52:19 PM EST
    Remember the rule that you "rule" on your Birthday. You get to be Her Majesty Militarytracy for the day (and watch/do all the good things you wish.) And--among family & friends here--the corollary to the rule: When the B'Day falls on the weekend...an extended festivity as Countess MT is in order as well.  Best Wishes!

    "You say it's your birthday..." (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:58:15 PM EST
    Happy Birthday MT!

    Happy birthday tomorrow, MT! (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Anne on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:15:58 PM EST
    DVR the game if you have to, and try not to pay any attention to sports news spoilers!

    I hope it's a wonderful day for you, and for the family who love you so much, and are, I suspect, more grateful for all that you are and have been to them and for them than they could ever adequately express.

    I'm happy to "know" you, and even when we have our occasional disagreements, I always know that you come from a place of passion and commitment and principal - something that too many people have replaced with indifference, much to the world's detriment.

    The world is definitely a better place with you in it, so - Cheers! - and here's to a great year ahead!


    I did it (none / 0) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:22:14 PM EST
    I set the DVR this morning thinking that there isn't any way I'm going to get to be engrossed, so I will have to patch it up the best I can :)

    Happy birthday weekend! (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:41:25 PM EST
    Here's a suggestion... go to the O Club, and get some of the folks to do carrier landings! In case you don't know, that's when they push long table together, run and dive on them, and folks at the end are supposed to grab them before they fly off...

    Ahhhhhhhhh... good times. I'm sure they can still mix a mean Tequila Sunrise there.


    Oh... my birthday's coming on the 14th... (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:43:06 PM EST
    I and the US Army and Flag Day share!

    Continental Army: June 14 1775
    Jeffinalabama: June 14 some years after.


    I forgot... they have to throw (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:21:10 PM EST
    pitchers of ice water on the tables, otherwise it's hard to slide.

    Have a great (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by MO Blue on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:23:25 PM EST
    Birthday weekend.

    Thank you Donald (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:22:44 PM EST
    Not only for a well-thought and written comment, but for such visuals as:

    ...Crazy Uncle Charlie, who somehow escaped from the attic apartment at Grandma's house, and who is presently running naked down the street and flipping off all the neighbors as he passes by, yelling "Who's got the big one? I do!"

    And, another reason not to watch commercials (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:03:16 PM EST
    DVRs and Tivos for everyone!

    It turns out that vivid commercials are incredibly good at tricking the hippocampus (a center of long-term memory in the brain) into believing that the scene we just watched on television actually happened. And it happened to us.


    Although we like to think of our memories as being immutable impressions, somehow separate from the act of remembering them, they aren't. A memory is only as real as the last time you remembered it. What's disturbing, of course, is that we can't help but borrow many of our memories from elsewhere, so that the ad we watched on television becomes our own, part of that personal narrative we repeat and retell.

    So, are you saying that my (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Anne on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:53:38 PM EST
    husband and I weren't outside, holding hands across our matching clawfoot bathtubs, as we gazed at a stunning mountain vista?



    If you were (5.00 / 3) (#35)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:57:58 PM EST
    And if I was one to question you on such things, I would ask - If the medicine is so effective, what were you doing in separate tubs???

    That's so funny... every time I (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by Anne on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:13:02 PM EST
    see that commercial, I wonder what the hell these people are doing in separate tubs...

    (And then, of course, I remember the SNL faux commercial for "Dr. Porkenheimer's Boner Juice" that recommends, "if you have an erection for more than four hours...call a friend!"


    I also think (none / 0) (#44)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:48:08 PM EST
    "How the hell did they get two tubs up there?"

    LOL (none / 0) (#36)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:59:06 PM EST
    Your babies don't talk about stock trading either!

    so I was watching the Glee finale (5.00 / 1) (#42)
    by CST on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:23:37 PM EST
    with mi hermana, and the obligatory "pillow fight in hotel room" scene came on.  It made me think a few things:

    1. why is it that in every single movie/tv show where girls are in a hotel room they have a pillow fight?

    2. why is it that when I am actually in a hotel room with other girls this always seems to really happen?

    3. do we do it because we saw it on tv so much that it's just become normal, or did it really happen that much that it became a tv thing?

    Chicken and egg question, I really don't know anymore.  Hoping some of you older ladies who came of age pre-tv-pillow-fight-indoctrination can assist.

    I can't speak for all older women of the (none / 0) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Fri May 27, 2011 at 05:54:06 PM EST
    boomer demographic, but I stopped having pillow fights at around the age of 10-11. Over the intervening decades I have spent a fair amount of time in hotel rooms with other women (traveling with the rugby team, vacations with friends), and no pillow fights.

    I don't know if that is due to lack of exposure to TV pillow fights during the formative years or not. Perhaps the increasing sexualization of girls at an ever younger age, coupled with more exposure on TV and in pop culture to what used to be considered adult behavior (sex and porn, etc.) is part of the reason.

    Seriously, the TV shows of my childhood and teen years never had men and boys commenting on their fantasies of girls having pillow fights or girls having sex with each other. These days you can pick any sit-com with young adults and hear all about male sexual fantasies. This has to have an impact on girls.


    Have no idea where it came from (none / 0) (#74)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 09:45:37 PM EST
    either.  I remember pillow fights, but nobody had boobs yet and we all had dirt under our fingernails.  Who are all these busty people with freshly washed hair that are pillow fighting?  Nobody I ever knew.

    poor, gullible hippocampus (none / 0) (#23)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:13:28 PM EST
    I just hate commercials so much I am sure they trigger something in my brain. I get so irritable now if I am not skipping them.

    Skip the DVR (none / 0) (#32)
    by me only on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:44:33 PM EST
    just don't watch television.

    Ok (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by lilburro on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:29:34 PM EST
    I didn't think there was anyone on Earth more hypocritical than Newt Gingrich, but I was wrong:

    Priest Helping Pope With Pedophilia Reforms Arrested For Pedophilia


    Yup (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:48:35 PM EST
    Was really sickened to see this earlier. I was wondering what would happen if this were some small fringe religion instead of the Catholic Church. There are just no fitting consequences for the powerful. Who is going to prosecute the pope for his negligence?

    This priest wasn't helping the pope (none / 0) (#39)
    by lilburro on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:14:16 PM EST
    he was just in the archdiocese of the archbishop helping the pope.  So I got that wrong.  Still, it's pretty crazy.

    The study commissioned by the (none / 0) (#49)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:14:22 PM EST
    American bishops, suggested that the pedophilia scandal is due to the social changes of the 1960's and 1970's, sort of, the blame. "Woodstock" defense( many were having consensual sex with adults so what was wrong with having non-consensual sex with children).

    The report also claimed that the priests were poorly prepared (no one, apparently, told them not to touch), and they were poorly monitored (without being looked after they would not know that was bad). Some critics say the 60's rationale was not Woodstockian, but the evil effects of Vatican II (guess when the reforms required that the altars be turned around, some thought it referred to the altar boys).  


    Note on Newt: (none / 0) (#50)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:20:28 PM EST
    While reading reports of Gingrich and his current wife's "revolving interest-free" account "at Tiffany's running at about $500,000, my mind traveled to a possible SNL skit of the couple with Callista appearing in more diamonds than Carol Channing and Queen Elizabeth II combined.

    Accused, not convicted. (none / 0) (#67)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Fri May 27, 2011 at 05:28:02 PM EST
    That said, he also now claims to be HIV pos.

    The Dictator's Ringtone (none / 0) (#1)
    by Dadler on Fri May 27, 2011 at 10:18:06 AM EST
    Short fiction by Dadler, looking for a few reads, last day for the link.  (LINK)

    Thanks and enjoy and have a good weekend.  We have indoor skydiving this afternoon, a birthday present for my son.  Should be a hoot.

    And if you think it sucks... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Dadler on Fri May 27, 2011 at 10:43:46 AM EST
    ...please, do tell.  I've worked in Hollywood, I have skin thick as a phucking elephant's.

    Best line ever heard in one of my Hollywood meetings. A producer is talking about my rewrite of a script.  He has forgotten his own copy of it, and as a proxy he's patting the top of a generic pile of scripts on his desk: "There's a lot happening here, and it's not bad that a lot's happening, I want a lot to happen, I just don't want so much going on!"


    Dadler, can you email me (none / 0) (#6)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri May 27, 2011 at 11:52:49 AM EST
    jeffinalabama AT gmail dot com? I'm doing some writing myself, and want to talk with another writer.

    It's very chilling, Dadler (none / 0) (#48)
    by Zorba on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:03:59 PM EST
    As it is supposed to be.  Very well done.

    Belated thank you (none / 0) (#77)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 02, 2011 at 02:43:02 PM EST
    Bah, I need to remember to check back on these kind of posts all the time.  Glad you enjoyed it, glad you had that reaction.  Peace.

    It doesn't suck (how bout that) (none / 0) (#65)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:36:46 PM EST
    It is good.  Very interesting, and having characters that exist in realm that coincide within a theme of some current real world events.  Very creative

    And...there is a lot going on (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:37:44 PM EST
    Late, but much appreciated (none / 0) (#75)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 02, 2011 at 02:40:44 PM EST
    Damn, but I forgot to check back on this post, so forgive my tardiness in thanking you.  Interesting to get the opinion of those not my friends of family or usual suspects.  

    And ;-) on the "a lot going on." (none / 0) (#76)
    by Dadler on Thu Jun 02, 2011 at 02:42:01 PM EST
    I wish you could've seen my face in that meeting.

    At DK today there (none / 0) (#7)
    by brodie on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:03:59 PM EST
    was a diary and another mention on the fp about yesterday passing w/o anyone (aside from Rick Perlstein at the NYT) noting the fact it was the 100th anniversary of Hubert Humphrey's birth.  Perlstein says he's become a largely forgotten figure, and has a good piece which is linked at the diary.

    My only objection to Perlstein's otherwise good article is that HHH wasn't always a liberal hawk on the war.  In fact, it could be plausibly argued he was only out there toeing a line that his boss, Lyndon, insisted he toe.  

    Perlstein apparently also isn't aware that Humphrey early on in the Johnson admin, sent LBJ an unsolicited memo warning him about greater US military involvement over there, and that the landslide election victory against the hawkish Goldwater gave Johnson the political room to begin a US disengagement.  But LBJ was not happy getting this advice, as he'd privately already committed to escalation, and soon made HHH persona non grata at the WH (and also Johnson may have begun tapping his VP's office phones at this time -- LBJ was paranoid, and suspected his #2 of disloyalty).

    For me, Humphrey was a decent but flawed pol -- flawed in not having a sufficiently strong enough character to resist the constant bullying of his boss Lyndon.  In the '68 campaign, towards the end, as Hubert tried to semi-distance himself from Lyndon on Nam, it was a case of too little too late, tentative independent steps Hubert later regretted not being bolder about.

    No question also that had he become prez, now with no bully to boss him around, he would have ended that war far sooner than Nixon did, and w/o all the bombing and invading other countries that Nixon engaged in.

    He's worth remembering today for not only the good of what might have been but for the importance of standing firm for one's principles, and the tragic results that can occur when a pol fails to stand strong for what he believes in.  

    "decent but flawed" (none / 0) (#13)
    by christinep on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:37:25 PM EST
    A thoughtful assessment of HHH, brodie. As a young person first eligible to vote in the 1968 election, I also recall the conflicted visage of that VP. But, as a young person so angry with LBJ & his people because of Vietnam, it took until just days before the November election (in the Indiana primary, I worked for McCarthy, but then felt compelled to vote for Robert Kennedy) to decide to cast that vote for Humphrey. My husband, still not forgiving of McNamara et al, wrote in Mickey Mouse as his first vote...and, to this day, I josh that he gave away the SCt to former CJ Rehnquist.

    One different take here: Joking with my husband about the Mickey vote and looking back at the totality of the Minnesota liberal that Humphrey was, my view is even more tempered than yours. No apologia for Humphrey's timidity about Nam, nosiree; only an appreciation for the realization that I cannot name a politician, corporate person, government official, you-get-the-drift without a flaw. (Myself fights my own flaws all the time.) Humphrey did seem to keep on trying...and, that is cause for reflection in itself.

    Thanks for your comment.  A belated Birthday Toast to the Happy Warrior, Hubert H Humphrey!


    Thx for your response, christine. (none / 0) (#24)
    by brodie on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:13:40 PM EST
    I said flawed, but obviously in my post I wanted a little more to emphasize the positive, and note that one interesting fact re HHH and VN and the early memo he wrote which gets neglected or is unknown by too many.  I didn't get into the several -- more than several actually -- times in '68 and subsequent campaigns when Humphrey again fell short, did or said the wrong thing, or otherwise didn't nearly live up to the lofty liberal ideals he'd so passionately advocated for and which, altogether, made him the flawed and rather disappointing pol he became in the public mind.

    A little more flawed a pol than one would have hoped for, actually, despite some impressive victories as Perlstein and you note.  Flawed about as much as fellow Minnesotan Gene McCarthy was, meaning significantly flawed, only differently.  Not that McCarthy, had LBJ named him (as he allegedly was close to doing, or so thought McC) as VP and not HHH, would have acted much differently in being forced to back Lyndon's War -- although that's an interesting what if scenario to contemplate given McC's more stubborn and mavericky character.

    I guess I'm saying I think he was largely a positive figure worthy of remembrance for the good he did do, but not quite my type of noble flawed pol -- the able, well-intentioned one who occasionally stumbles but who at times acts courageously and forges ahead to do the right thing, taking the political lumps if necessary.  I think Humphrey was probably haunted until the end about all those huge opportunities lost -- mostly from not being able to muster enough inner strength at a crucial time which would have propelled him in the direction he knew was the right one.

    Anyway, thanks again for your comments.  And I hope you're not the only one here at TL who has the time to offer a thought about HHH.


    I still (none / 0) (#52)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:27:16 PM EST
    don't get the sheer volume of the anti-LBJ sentiment among some on the left especially when contrasted with the hilariously haigographic treatment of JFK.

    The referenced NYT op-ed (none / 0) (#53)
    by KeysDan on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:45:39 PM EST
    by Rick Perlstein was an interesting and balanced  tribute to Humphrey.  It seems that Humphrey's running mate in 1968 was not so much Ed Muskie as it was Viet Nam.  His defeat was understandable given the need to let the Democrats know of the anti-war sentiment that was being ignored--that sentiment having moved from hippies to housewives.  And, Nixon capitalized on it with his secret plan to end the war. Too bad, the spoils of the election accrued to the criminal Nixon and his national security advisor and Secretary of State.  As history shows, this was not a choice between the lesser of two evils, but the election of evil.   By the way, did Jimmy Carter ever apologize for referring to Hubert Horatio Humphrey as Hubert Horatio Hornblower at the Democratic Convention?  A blooper or a slip of the tongue?

    The lesson of HHH, for any (none / 0) (#72)
    by brodie on Fri May 27, 2011 at 07:32:46 PM EST
    youngsters reading this board, is Always stand up to bullies:  failure to do so could cost you the presidency.  Hubert didn't, or managed only a somewhat tepid step in that direction late in the campaign as he gave that speech in Salt Lake City sort of putting a little distance between himself and LBJ on the war, but not nearly enough, and at a fairly late date.

    Would that he had done differently, and acted like a strong principled liberal who was going to run his own campaign, and accept whatever flak he would get from the increasingly isolated and unpopular president.  That meeting he requested with Lyndon just after that SLC speech, to heal wounds between them, the one Johnson blew off without seeing Hubert because the latter had arrived a little late -- would that Humphrey right then and there had gone into the Oval and told Johnson to his face what he could only muster to say out in the waiting room:  "You can cram it up your a$$ Mr President."

    As for Jimmy Carter and Hubert Horatio "Hornblower", JC probably apologized in private in the WH.  But from what I've read elsewhere, it wasn't entirely an innocent slip:  that was the amusing name Carter and his people used regularly in the Oval to refer to Hubert.


    So, we bailed out European banks too (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 12:44:06 PM EST
    h/t Atrios, to the tune of $80 Billion. And their governments may not have even known about it.

    Can I have my HOLC now please?

    No HOLC (none / 0) (#21)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:01:59 PM EST
    for you. You don't deserve to have the house you are living in or maybe you don't deserve to have a house at all!

    We're not worthy (none / 0) (#25)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:14:45 PM EST
    or so we have been led to believe.

    I was (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:31:17 PM EST
    restating what Obama implied. He certainly doesn't think that helping homeowners should be done at all.

    I got the reference - (none / 0) (#30)
    by ruffian on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:42:29 PM EST
    Was snarkily agreeing with you!

    Okay (none / 0) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:01:55 PM EST
    I missed your snark :)

    Today in sexism (none / 0) (#20)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 01:00:56 PM EST
    The Badminton World Federation has decreed that female athletes must wear skirts to compete to create a "more attractive presentation."

    Needless to say, the female athletes are hoping to signal a big f-you to the Federation before Saturday's world competition in China.

    In the BWF's defense... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:21:13 PM EST
    they are trying to prevent Badminton from being booted as an Olympic event by increasing fan interest.

    And look at what the beach volleyball uniform has done for that sport's popularity...shirtless dudes and bikini clad ladies.

    Not saying it's right...but sex sells, and sports have to sell or they die.


    I love watching badminton (none / 0) (#45)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 02:49:56 PM EST
    And I think the beach volleyball uniforms are close to pornographic.  Why bother wearing them?

    True (none / 0) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:02:49 PM EST
    if the strings got any smaller on some of those "uniforms"...well, I'm sure you get my point.

    And if they got any bigger (none / 0) (#56)
    by Nemi on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:58:39 PM EST
    they would be against regulations. Of course it only goes for the female players.

    Strange (none / 0) (#57)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:00:43 PM EST
    How the men wear big baggy shorts? That doesn't seem to be a problem when it comes to sand?

    You've got a point :) (none / 0) (#60)
    by Nemi on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:17:23 PM EST
    In general I often wonder about how in sports men's clothing gets bigger and baggier while women's seems to get ever more skimpy. Take tennis - remember the tiny, tight shorts men used to wear? Then compare them to todays outfit. Quite a difference. The women on the other hand ...

    I forgot (none / 0) (#64)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:26:37 PM EST
    The men also wear tank tops!

    My initial reaction (none / 0) (#55)
    by Nemi on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:48:00 PM EST
    when I first heard about this decision was indignation on part of the athletes. But then I learned that many young female athletes were actually fine with it because 1) they can still wear their useul shorts underneath and 2) if it will attract more attention to the sport it means more playing time on tv, more (ad)money, leading to higher wages for the players. Plus what kdog points out.

    And ... I might be a little old fashioned here, but I remember during the latest Olympics seeing some of the women curling teams wearing skirts. They looked so sweet, and feminine. Which I don't have a problem with. :)

    As for the beachvolley restrictions (and I don't think that's really the right word?) I find them disgusting.


    I don't think skirts are the poblem per se (none / 0) (#58)
    by jbindc on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:05:58 PM EST
    But the fact that they must wear them to be more attractive. This isn't a beauty contest - it's the fastest racket sport in the world, with the shuttlecock traveling up to 240 miles per hour.

    And I don't see a move to have the men play shirtless so we can see their 6 pack-abs...


    Oh, I absolutely agree (none / 0) (#62)
    by Nemi on Fri May 27, 2011 at 04:21:35 PM EST
    but at the same time I also respect the female players being more pragmatic about it, focusing on the advantages I mentioned above.

    Patriot act extension signed by robo-pen (none / 0) (#54)
    by Mr Natural on Fri May 27, 2011 at 03:46:32 PM EST
    Netflixing night (none / 0) (#73)
    by Militarytracy on Fri May 27, 2011 at 09:37:34 PM EST
    Serious Moonlight, funny and cute.  The Last Station, very very good.  Now watching 'Devil', slow...hope it improves because horror is not my fave genre