Wednesday Night Open Thread

Criminal Injustice Kos has a good diary today on solitary confinement as a form of torture.

Remember Marvin Booker, the homeless man in Denver jailed on a drug paraphernalia charge, who died after being tasered when he went to retrieve his shoes before going back to his holding cell? The cops won't face charges, but his family announced today they will sue.

Lindsay Lohan got some bad news from the judge today. She has until March 10 to consider her dismal options.

Tonight on TV: Survivor, American Idol, the premiere of the new season of America's Next Top Model, and a new Justified.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Colbert Report (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 11:29:28 PM EST
    My foster-mother's step sister, Stephanie Coontz, will be on Colbert Report tonight.  I assume she'll be talking about her new book (which has a very long name).  I'm told she's as nervous as heck.  Please watch if you can.

    She was great (none / 0) (#6)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 11:37:55 PM EST
    and I already have her book about Friedan's Feminine Mystique on my library waiting list.  I've read good reviews.  Now I look forward to it even more, having watched her and listened to her.  She was great.

    I'm glad that you thought so. (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:13:02 AM EST
    Thanks for watching.

    Coontz on Colbert's website (none / 0) (#175)
    by DFLer on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 06:39:29 PM EST
    How fun, I have it DVR'd (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:41:26 AM EST
    The whole family loves Colbert and we catch up on the weekends.  He is cutting edge, congrats to her.

    DVR'd it, will watch tonight (none / 0) (#15)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:28:12 AM EST
    But she has fulfilled my fantasy.

    Probably not a very feminist thing for me to say (none / 0) (#19)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:39:07 AM EST
    But I have my weaknesses.

    She did a great job (none / 0) (#40)
    by lilburro on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 09:25:01 AM EST
    and the book sounds very interesting.  Hope it does well.

    Ditto (none / 0) (#179)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:13:22 PM EST
    Plus I need to be reminded of the history from time to time. She sounds like a good teller of the tale.

    My spouse went to bed last night (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:57:36 AM EST
    really discouraged.  He doesn't keep up with the financial situations much, he's busy with other things.  Last night he read about the housing market, and he watched what was going on in WI.  He watched Trumpka point out that tax breaks were given that brought about the deficit and that when the governor took office there was no deficit.  He asks me why that fact isn't being hammered into the ground?  I don't know.  He asks how a man is supposed to go to work everyday and work all day and then come home and try to prevent our leaders and the crooks they work for from destroying the society he works 24/7 to protect?  I wish I knew

    Its A Small Price To Pay (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by john horse on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 05:55:01 AM EST
    to keep the rich and our corporations living in the manner to which they have become accustomed (sarcasm alert).

    Its funny how the sacrifice is all on our part.


    Lost in the propaganda (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by Rojas on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 06:43:51 AM EST
    You can't have a functioning Democracy built on a foundation of lies.
    About the "manufactured deficit" I posted a link earlier to this: The Milwaukee Journal Sentinel Nov. 19, 2010

    Madison -- Democratic Gov. Jim Doyle's administration on Friday told Republican Governor-elect Scott Walker that he would have to cope with a $2.2 billion deficit in the state's upcoming two-year budget, but this brighter-than-expected forecast contained more than $1 billion in hidden pain.

    So if Trumpka is telling the truth the conspiracy spans the previous administration who was also projecting deficits over 3 billion prior to Walker taking office and making any tax cuts. I find this non plausible. I hope Walker gets his balls busted over the shenanigans he pulled, but the other side is not going to do themselves any favors by spreading disinformation. Just ask Gore how his case was strengthened by insisting on recounting some of the votes. He has expressed his regrets on that issue.

    I understand his discouragement. I have often pointed out that we are shooting the wrong people. Not that I think it's time to start shooting but on the threat scale of enemies foreign and domestic, we a wasting a whole lot of resources in the wrong place.


    You are right (none / 0) (#97)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:58:34 PM EST

    The deficit for this year has nothing to do with tax rate cuts that don't take effect until next year.  Trumka was misinformed.



    Valid questions (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:31:41 AM EST
    His questions are very valid. I wish more people would wake up and ask them.

    The fact that people were more than willing to return the Republicans to power (when they were the very ones that created the mess), just goes to show how pathetic the media and the Democrats are.

    If there's one thing that's disappointed more than anything else about the Obama administration, it's that they allowed the Republicans to control the message.

    Throughout the campaign, Obama's team was great at staying on message. He played the media to the max.

    He has the bully pulpet. Sadly he's chosen not to use it. The only conclusion I've been able to draw is that he shares their views.


    Found our spot in Sayulita... (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:13:43 AM EST
    does this look like the groovy place for some r,r,r&r or what?  

    More than I wanted to spend, but as the philosophy goes, f*ck it.  Looks so freakin' cool and I know the special lady is gonna dig the hell out of it.  Vamos a Sayulita...Orale!

    Ah, very fun! (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:26:46 PM EST
    Looks like a great getaway!

    I must have missed this (none / 0) (#59)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:10:51 AM EST
    reading the thread last time.  I love it.  I love things out of the ordinary though, and I love anything with a handmade adobe look.

    I'll scope it out... (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:06:57 PM EST
    and wrangle us a primo group rate for the Talkleft Convention.

    kdog, please investigate and evaluate (none / 0) (#123)
    by caseyOR on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:25:07 PM EST
    this location as a potential home port for our crew. Things to look for:

    Well, a place to dock our boat, good beaches, good food, good drink, good people, welcoming to pirates.

    I await your report.


    Aaargghhh... (none / 0) (#163)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:30:59 PM EST
    me first mission from the salty Captain Casey...aye aye! :)

    psst! (none / 0) (#171)
    by nycstray on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:24:55 PM EST
    pet friendly would be nice also  ;)

    I would go (none / 0) (#131)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:33:01 PM EST
    I have earned a vacation

    I'm in! (none / 0) (#134)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:36:40 PM EST
    I want (none / 0) (#180)
    by sj on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:24:00 PM EST
    In fact, I'm practically drooling here.  It looks so beautiful.

    particularly inept one (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:28:40 AM EST
    took two tries

    we used to attract (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:31:11 AM EST
    a better class of site violater

    Sigh....those halcyon days... (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:32:31 AM EST
    I'm really getting the tin cup against the (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:41:42 AM EST
    bars treatment this week.  Joshua and his friends have all played everything they got for Christmas to completion.  Now they are going back and playing some of their favorites together but they keep asking me about Red Faction as if I could pressure you and you would magically make it appear earlier than scheduled :)  I see yesterday they announced May 31.

    yep (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:51:04 AM EST
    I believe that is the date.  trust me if I could I would.  I could use the bonus that I wont get till it ships.

    fyi (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:53:29 AM EST
    we are pretty much done here.  or I should say "they".  I have been off that project for several months.  but the last stragglers are rolling off in the next week or so.  it takes that long to get it through the microsoft and sony submission gauntlet.

    I don't doubt the complexities (none / 0) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:56:43 AM EST
    I played PacMan with Josh on Saturday.  He was very impressed with how effective I can be throwing myself around one little sturdy stick.  PacMan is spaceage technology to me :)

    They've gotten (none / 0) (#38)
    by Zorba on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 09:18:18 AM EST
    extremely lazy.   ;-)

    WikiLeaks (5.00 / 2) (#86)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:31:57 PM EST
    Anyone notice how ofter the press is using WikiLeaks as a source for the inter-Gadhafi workings ?

    From demon to major source in 5 seconds flat.

    like this (none / 0) (#87)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:34:51 PM EST
    Libya's antiregime forces promised to mount an offensive Thursday against the capital, Tripoli, as leader Moammar Gadhafi accused his opponents of being under the sway of al Qaeda.

    and (none / 0) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:35:33 PM EST
    (CNN) -- In the first indication the crisis with Libya could take on a military dimension, the Pentagon is looking at "all options" it can offer President Barack Obama in dealing with the Libyan crisis a senior U.S. military official tells CNN.

    My spouse said that (none / 0) (#100)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:04:59 PM EST
    If he tries to use aircraft to hurt the people NATO could do shoot downs, they have a base they could work out of close by.  We looked up what aircraft he had last night after the news report that one plane being sent to bomb was ditched by its crew that ejected into the ocean.  He has some really old stuff that looks like it is all probably grounded, but he has some newer stuff too capable of really doing damage.

    Al Qaeda :) (none / 0) (#101)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:06:00 PM EST
    The dude is a walking talking circus :)

    Not just Al Qaeda .... (none / 0) (#133)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:35:44 PM EST
    Al Qaeda distributing hallucinogenic drups...

    Of course painting himself as a bulwark against Al Qaeda is the kind of talk that kept us off his back for 10 years, so it's hard to blame him for grasping at straws.


    But we've got the facebook now (none / 0) (#145)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:49:58 PM EST
    And we've got the Wikileaks. So we know what's going on now LOL

    No, Like These (none / 0) (#136)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:38:47 PM EST
    WikiLeaks Cables Reveal Gadhafi Clan's 'Lavish Spending ... Bitter Rivalries'
    - NPR

    Wikileaks: Gadhafi Family A Web Of Greed, Nepotism
    - Huffington Post

    WikiLeaks: Gadhafi Turned Down Madoff
    - Huffington Post

    WikiLeaks: Muammar Gaddafi 'close to voluptuous Ukrainian nurse
    -The Telegraph

    WikiLeaks cables: A guide to Gaddafi's 'famously fractious' family
    - Guardian


    WikiLeaks: Gaddafi left enriched uranium on the runway in 'fit of pique' after he felt snubbed during U.S. visit

    WikiLeaks Reveals: Qaddafi Uses Botox

    Wikileaks - "Gadaffi's blonde, Iranian cancer, and Mugabe a crazy old man"


    civil lawsuit by family (1.50 / 2) (#18)
    by diogenes on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:37:09 AM EST
    What are the damages?
    1.  Loss of companionship to the family that let him be homeless rather than take him in?
    2.  Loss of earnings by a homeless man?
    3.  Or is it trying to hit the lottery jackpot in a jury trial?

    Drowning municipalities... (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:05:06 AM EST
    in civil suits for police misconduct and brutality (and murder) is the only way I can think of to maybe possibly hopefully get the municipalities to straighten up and fly right...criminal law is awol when the accussed wears a badge (see different rules different fools), that leaves civil.  

    Though this would require voters holding the elected authorities responsible for their dirty, as your comment illustrates some prefer to blame the victim and their families, or like the idea of jackboots on undesirable throats, at any price.


    Of course (none / 0) (#41)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 09:27:07 AM EST
    Drowning municipalities will also lead to things like this:

    Falling revenue and rising costs will force Allen Park to lay off 25 to 30 employees by June -- a cut that could include all of the city's firefighters, a city official said Wednesday.

    It's not just police departments that are affected.


    I know... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 09:30:49 AM EST
    my feeling is if citizens won't hold their authorities responsible, they are asking for lost jobs & services & financial ruin & tax hikes. Just desserts for shirking their responsibilities as citizens and letting authorities run roughshod over their fellow citizens.

    I don't know who else in the public (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:17:54 AM EST
    has standing to bring legal action when the city itself won't do it. Wait for the Feds to investigate? From the lawyer's statement, my bold:

    "The city of Denver and various institutions and individuals have engaged in a conspiracy to coverup the details of this killing, which is only one recent example of the custom and culture within Denver law enforcement to encourage, condone and ratify brutality on the part of law enforcement officers," the family's lawyers stated

    As kdog says, it may be the only way to stop this behavior.


    So, diogenes, are you saying that since (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:32:03 AM EST
    the victim in question wasn't a 'productive member' of society, his family's pain and anguish at his unnecessary death shouldn't be the basis of a lawsuit in the first place?

    If he had a job and earnings that were lost, you'd be all for it then?


    Or Wrongful Death (none / 0) (#84)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:18:30 PM EST
    John Donne (none / 0) (#157)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:16:46 PM EST

    But who can remove it from that bell which is passing a piece of
    himself out of this world? No man is an island, entire of itself;
    every man is a piece of the continent, a part of the main. If a clod
    be washed away by the sea, Europe is the less, as well as if a promontory were, as well as if a manor of thy friend's or of thine own were. Any man's death diminishes me because I am involved in mankind; and therefore never send to know for whom the bell tolls; it tolls for thee. . . .

    On a happier note, the (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09:33 PM EST
    first Gergiev/LS0/Mahler concert was terrific. One down. Two to go.

    Sounds like a great start (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:23:55 PM EST
    to your theater/concert week! I'm excited to start my weekend. I should be arriving about this time tomorrow - Hotwire.com gave me a good deal at The Benjamin, near 51st and Lexington. kdog has my contact info. (I'm now making the 'call-me' sign with my hand.)

    I saw a clip of the Obama Libya presser (none / 0) (#2)
    by andgarden on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 10:09:43 PM EST
    I really hope the job of SoS isn't taking a toll on Hillary's health, because she didn't look well. :-(

    This has got to be a time (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:39:32 AM EST
    where being SoS will eat your lunch.  We've got nukes to worry about in the Af/PAK problems, unrest in over 80 countries that will likely worsen, and two war zones.

    Paging ruffian, a little Cubs gossip. (none / 0) (#3)
    by caseyOR on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 10:48:51 PM EST
    While skimming through the Cubs stories at the Sun-Times I came across a little bit of wishful thinking. According to this article, Cubs' owner Tom Ricketts is "open" to signing Albert Pujols if he doesn't work things out with the Cardinals.

    Imagine the uproar if Pujols made the jump from St. Louis to Wrigley Field. It's most probably a whole lot of wishful thinking. Surely, the Cards will find a way to make Pujols happy. It sure would be fun if the Cubs got him, though.

    Ah, finally revenge for the Lou Brock deal! (none / 0) (#16)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:29:26 AM EST
    That would be awesome!  Hope springs eternal in the Cubs preseason!

    Boo! Boo! (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Zorba on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 09:15:46 AM EST
    I'm telling you, if Pujols goes to the Cubs, he and the Cubs will all feel the wrath of the βασκανία (Greek Evil Eye)!   ;-)

    We already have the (none / 0) (#43)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 09:58:55 AM EST
    Curse of the Billy Goat!!!!

    Do your worst!


    Sorry, ruffian (none / 0) (#71)
    by Zorba on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:43:23 AM EST
    But the all-powerful Greek Evil Eye, added to the Curse of the Billy Goat, will ensure that the Cubs will not win a World Series for 65 more years, even with Pujols.  (Truth to tell, I don't know that he'd go there, and I don't know that they'd give him what he wants in terms of money and length of contract.  In any case, it's not over 'til the fat lady sings, as they say.)       ;-)
    PS  My son, who is a die-hard San Francisco fan (go figure), is hoping he'll go to the Giants.

    "Major Incident Team" (none / 0) (#4)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 10:56:12 PM EST
    of almost 40 police officers from Milwaukee has been sent to Madison at the request of the governor -- in addition to more than 500 extra officers from across the state in the last couple of days.  The same couple of days when crowd size has declined since the weekend.  

    So there have been no "major incidents," not even a single arrest since protests started more than a week ago.  Would this, then, be a proactive step taken for "major incidents" planned?  By whom?

    My post #17 (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:20:29 AM EST
    Walker admits to fake-Koch that they were considering sending in thugs to turn the protests violent if he thought he could get away with it politically.

    This guy has to go.


    Should Say (none / 0) (#85)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:21:16 PM EST
    Instead of police officers it should say bringing in a union that backed him which is exempt from the anti-collective bargaining legislation.

    Yup (none / 0) (#115)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:11:25 PM EST
    This is not the way to do a good bill (none / 0) (#7)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 11:47:53 PM EST
    although it is historic, already the longest session in Wisconsin legislative history and still going:

    Exhausted and overshadowed, the Wisconsin State Assembly continued its marathon session Wednesday, inching closer to the seemingly inevitable passage of Gov. Scott Walker's controversial budget repair bill.  By Wednesday [night], the Assembly had been in session for 35 hours and worked through just 23 of 103 amendments.

    And while Assembly Speaker Jeff Fitzgerald, R-Horicon, enforced limits on debate, it seemed clear that members were in for another all-nighter if they hoped to finish debate on the bill.

    This is the debate that the Assembly Repubs tried to prevent in illegal action last Friday, passing the bill before taking up any amendments -- and before the Dems got there, on time.  At least, the time that Repubs had told them.  Repubs had their sheeple get there early to pass the bill without even a minute of discussion -- and refusing to recognize the first Dems to file in the chambers.  Dems eventually did shame Repubs into returning the bill to amendable status.

    And then came the weekend, when Dems came up with more amendments (with a few from Repubs).  And now -- this is not way to do a good bill.

    But it's Walker's Way, the Wisconsin Way now, which looks a lot like our famous Chicago Way.  They're learning up north!

    To be clear: The bill will pass (none / 0) (#8)
    by Towanda on Wed Feb 23, 2011 at 11:51:06 PM EST
    in the Assembly, the lower house.  This is a delaying maneuver to buy time for the Wisconsin 14, from the upper house, who still are here in Illinois and standing firm.  But it must be hard; many are parents away from young children, including one who is pregnant, and Walker has pulled their paychecks, so they are paying their own way (and refusing to use a lot in donations).

    On the other end of the spectrum, the oldest of them is the longest-lasting state legislator in the country.  


    WI Gov Scott Walker caught in prank phone call (none / 0) (#17)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:34:29 AM EST
    Possible ethical violations cited during Walker's conversation with someone pretending to be one of the Koch brothers. Among other things, he said they have thought about sending thugs in to turn the demonstrations violent, but feared the political consequences. Nice of him.

    Also talks about steering money to districts that support him.

    Went in to put our daughter on (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 08:19:37 AM EST
    our insurance yesterday, but they won't take any paperwork until they have to and that is April 1st.  The woman behind the desk also told us that Humana is fighting tooth and nail looking for any way to get out of extending insurance to military kids past 18.  She doubted they would have anything ironed out by April 1st and ready to go.  So much for healthcare reform.

    very funny (none / 0) (#39)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 09:23:40 AM EST
    Welcome Home Carmelo! (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:09:50 AM EST
    Good show last night at the Garden...still not sure about the trade, but it sure is nice to be back firmly on the roundball map and see the Garden rockin' again...as it should be.

    And them Johnnies avoid the usual trap game letdown against Depaul...blew 'em out of Carneseca Arena...look out Big East!

    Watch San Diego State/BYU Saturday (none / 0) (#50)
    by Dadler on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:48:54 AM EST
    Game of the year west of the Mississippi.  2 p.m. EST, the Aztecs will get their revenge for their only loss of the year.  The Arena will be rockin', the student section (known as "The Show") will be utterly out of control, and this game will be one of the best you see all year, IMO.  Plus you can check out Jimmer Fredette, a true hoop savant.  Hopefully, tho, he has a terrible game.  The east coast hoop establishment thinks we suck out west, I think this game is going to be a showcase for two highly ranked, but still not well known, teams.

    It's a national game on CBS, btw (none / 0) (#51)
    by Dadler on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:49:30 AM EST
    meant to mention that.

    Got my Sports Illustrated.... (none / 0) (#55)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:58:15 AM EST
    yesterday...haven't read it yet but your Aztecs got some love with a feature article....caught a mention of a rabid fan base.  Cool when your team catches fire, ain't it?

    I'll be rootin' for your boys against them crazy Mormons...but I've got a date on Saturday with a couple of TL's finest and won't be able to watch.  

    Though I woulda been watching the Johnnies battle 'Nova at 2 anyway:)


    Matinee, eh? (none / 0) (#69)
    by Dadler on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:32:13 AM EST
    Enjoy Geoffrey Rush, heard nothing but amazing things about the play.

    Nice to see St. John's back, as well.  I wasn't a huge Lavin fan at UCLA, but I used to love Louie Carnaseca on the sidelines.  I think I was the only kid in California back in the early 80's who subscribed to "Eastern Basketball," this tiny little hoop lovers rag.  Back when I was a huge Leo Rautins fan, now his kid's playing at his alma mater, Syracuse, and I feel so old it's silly.


    Will do bro... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:44:45 AM EST
    with such good company good times are assured...even if G-Rush hits the Oscars instead of entertaining us.

    All credit to Norm Roberts for this team and cleaning up the disaster left by Mike Jarvis...next years # 2 recruiting class in the country is all Lavin-wood baby...bringing the Cali ballers eastward!  Hope he told them a foul out West is good D in the Big East...we bang and its so good to be banging again near the top of the conference!

    Good luck with the big move man...been meaning to say.  It sucks, but hopefully San Fran treats you well once all settled.


    Did you have a chance (none / 0) (#73)
    by CoralGables on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:46:19 AM EST
    to read last week's yet, or did you only have time to look at the top photos?

    Last weeks... (none / 0) (#78)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:53:43 AM EST
    hmmm, with the article about the NFLPA head right?

    Duh...you're talking about the Swimsuit issue...wonder why they even bother with that anymore in the internet age CG...its no longer racy or exciting...or maybe I'm just not a 13 year old horndog anymore, who waited all year for the swimsuit issue and quarterly Victoria Secret catalogs to swipe from my sister:)  


    The Scariest Story (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:14:14 AM EST
    I like her dogs ones (none / 0) (#52)
    by nycstray on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:55:06 AM EST
    did you see How Kenny Loggins (none / 0) (#53)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:56:13 AM EST
    Ruined Christmas.

    I was on the floor.


    That was hysterical! (none / 0) (#181)
    by sj on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:41:57 PM EST
    Thanks for that.

    Why does now seem a good time (none / 0) (#47)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:36:08 AM EST
    to visit my wife's niece in Escondido?:

    SAN DIEGO -- Thomas Gainsborough's name will be forever tightly yoked to "Blue Boy,"  the riveting portrait of young Jonathan Buttall, painted around 1770, standing atop a windswept hill in the English countryside and dressed in the satin garb of an earlier aristocratic era. It's the most famous portrait in America. The painting's brilliance, lofted by dazzling brushwork, has a lot to do with its celebrity.

    Click or LA Times Me

    seen some of those (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:48:40 AM EST
    he does satin better than anybody

    You can see the attention to detail (none / 0) (#56)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:59:01 AM EST
    in the music underneath the subjects arm, it looks legible enough to play from for a musician of the day.

    What do you lot make of... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:38:08 AM EST
    this Canadian baby dying in London, and the parents being treated liked criminals?

    I won't pretend to understand the medical issues, but it appears the poor child is going to pass on no matter what, so why can't the parents wishes be honored?  They certainly shouldn't be under 24 hour surveillance...it's a hospital, not a prison...and parental rights have gotta trump whatever rights the state is trying to claim over the child, right?  Weird one.

    Hard decisions (none / 0) (#83)
    by waldenpond on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:17:24 PM EST
    but I don't know how you force someone to do surgery on someone who is brain dead.  They could try to get donations to transport the child and pay for the hospital stay and surgery but it does nothing to address the concern that the child not suffer from surgery nor while passing.

    Those issues... (none / 0) (#105)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:44:36 PM EST
    I can understand...doctors take an oath to do no harm, and when wishes of the family run counter to that it's a pickle.  And I'm no fan of machines keeping the brain dead alive, to be sure...creeps me out.  As does the anti-euthanasia crowd trying to make hay out of it.

    But whats up with the security angle?  In such a difficult time, all other issues aside, the family should be left alone to say goodbye and have those final moments in peace...being watched liked child abusers or worse is so very cruel and uncool.  

    Hospitals, much like schools, are too eerily resembling prisons these days...must we put barbed wire around everything?  


    I find every hospital that we go to (none / 0) (#107)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:50:52 PM EST
    to be very different.  They each have a subculture uniquely their own.  Some comfort us, and some leave us uncertain and a little scared at times.  When Josh had his foot surgery to remove the talus in both of his feet in Birmingham, one of the nurses in recovery told him to shut up and that he had no reason to make all that noise.  It was before we were allowed to go back.  I don't know what they used for anesthesia, but he was the devil, it was a reaction to anesthesia though for God's sake and he's a little boy with both feet in huge casts.  He hates that place now.  And they were rude to us as a family the whole time too.

    It's a tough job... (none / 0) (#116)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:13:56 PM EST
    especially with kids...and its gotta be hard to always remember your everyday b.s. is the scariest of days in the lives of the patient and their loved ones...and to always act accordingly, with the upmost empathy, compassion, and bedside manner.  Shame on any hospital giving Josh and the fam a hard time, no excuse for any of that.  

    I must say Columbia Pres. has been wonderful with my niece..."visiting hours" never applied to us, great nurses, great doctors...A plus all around.


    and Christus in San Antonio (none / 0) (#122)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:24:45 PM EST
    has turned treating children in surgical situations into a high art.

    That's freaky, sort of scary too (none / 0) (#106)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:45:26 PM EST
    I had one doctor flat out tell me that I should just let Joshua die instead of seeking solutions when his scoliosis was out of control.  Imagine if he would have had tried to pull something like this on me at Evans Army Hospital.  I shudder.  I would want to say goodbye to my baby at home.  I don't understand anything that the hospital is doing.  The child is doomed and they wanted him to die there, his family would like for him to die at home.  Why torment these people?

    They want surgery (none / 0) (#139)
    by waldenpond on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:42:36 PM EST
    The parents want surgery which causes pain.  Also, not understanding the details, but the child may linger in pain.

    I think at this point, the goal for the hospital is to cause no harm for their patient.


    They are obviously missing... (none / 0) (#166)
    by kdog on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:42:42 PM EST
    the harm 24 hour security guards staring holes through the family is causing...thats the part getting my goat.

    It sounds like he is brain dead (none / 0) (#174)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:42:58 PM EST
    so how could he feel a trache, but not feel being suffocated if they remove his breathing tube like the hospital wants to do?  It doesn't make sense.  It seems to me to be about control.  At this point though it is about his family IMO, if he is brain dead.  They have to go down fighting for him because they are going to have to go on after losing him, if they don't fight to the bitter end they have failed as parents.  A military Chaplain told me this when I was trying to deal with a doctor telling me when my son should die.  The Chaplain said that in his opinion that would lead to a huge depression for me and probably his father too, parents can't NOT fight for their child just because doctors say they shouldn't.  They want to take him home, I think they want a miracle...and I think they deserve the right to deal with the fact that there isn't likely going to be one on their own turf surrounded by their own family.

    It's a very sad story (none / 0) (#109)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:53:42 PM EST

    An emotional Superior Court Justice Helen Rady, who called it "heartbreaking" and "such a sad and difficult case," decided Thursday not to allow the family's appeal of a decision last month by Ontario's Consent and Capacity Board to have the child's breathing tube removed and put in place a do-not-resuscitate order and palliative care.

    The baby's father and mother, Sana Nader, 35, wanted the same treatment for Joseph as was given to their daughter before she died, eight years ago at 18 months -- give Joseph a tracheotomy and ventilation, and allow them to take him home to die what would be a peaceful death.

    But Joseph's doctors say while a tracheotomy -- an incision is made in a patient's airway, to help breathing -- may prolong the baby's life, it's futile in this case and would likely cause much discomfort. It would certainly also increase the risk of infection and pneumonia, they argue.

    "The medical officials would not want this little boy to suffer," Rady said.


    Joseph's on a ventilator and fed through a tube. He's in what the doctors call "a persistent vegetative state." The doctors say he's blind and deaf. He's missing all five brain stem reflexes considered necessary for life -- gag, cough, eye movement, pupil and cornea responses. His brain deterioration is irreversible.

    A team of doctors, including a world-renowned pediatric expert from Toronto's Hospital for Sick Children, has examined Joseph and agrees he's dying of the same progressive neurodegenerative disease that claimed his sister.

    Joseph's doctor told the adjudication board that doctors "reluctantly" gave the couple's daughter a tracheotomy. Since then, doctors have learned "substantially" more about the procedure and determined it isn't right for Joseph.

    Shocking Fat Equations (none / 0) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 10:57:18 AM EST
    these were mostly known to me but this one was sort of a shock.

    1 cup Progresso Potato, Broccoli & Cheese Chowder
    Total Fat: 12g Saturated Fat: 3.5

    One 16-20 lb. roast turkey
    Total Fat: 11g Saturated Fat: 3g

    The snack fruit pies (none / 0) (#58)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:08:44 AM EST
    I bought at the day-old bread store yesterday have 5 grams of saturated fat apiece( and are smaller than Hostess brand fruit pies), no trans fats, so that's the silver lining, I guess.

    That's why I don't buy a lot of canned goods, it cuts down on the labels I have to read.  :-)


    also IMO (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:12:57 AM EST
    good fat and bad fat.  I think the fat from an avocado is probably better for you than the fat from that bottled dressing stuff.

    Natural vs trans fat (none / 0) (#76)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:52:11 AM EST
    the Wiki backs up your intuition, it's really because of partially hydrogenated plant fats that there's a problem:

    Foods containing artificial trans fats formed by partially hydrogenating plant fats may contain up to 45% trans fat compared to their total fat.[29] Baking shortenings, in general, contain 30% trans fats compared to their total fats, whereas animal fats from ruminants such as butter contain up to 4%. Margarines not reformulated to reduce trans fats may contain up to 15% trans fat by weight.[30]

    It has been established that trans fats in human milk fluctuate with maternal consumption of trans fat, and that the amount of trans fats in the bloodstream of breastfed infants fluctuates with the amounts found in their milk. Reported percentages of trans fats (compared to total fats) in human milk range from 1% in Spain, 2% in France, 4% in Germany, and 7% in Canada and the United States.[31]

    Trans fats are used in shortenings for deep-frying in restaurants, as they can be used for longer than most conventional oils before becoming rancid. In the early 21st century, non-hydrogenated vegetable oils that have lifespans exceeding that of the frying shortenings became available.[32] As fast-food chains routinely use different fats in different locations, trans fat levels in fast food can have large variations. For example, an analysis of samples of McDonald's French fries collected in 2004 and 2005 found that fries served in New York City contained twice as much trans fat as in Hungary, and 28 times as much as in Denmark (where trans fats are restricted). At KFC, the pattern was reversed with Hungary's product containing twice the trans fat of the New York product. Even within the US there was variation, with fries in New York containing 30% more trans fat than those from Atlanta.[33]

    Click or Wiki Me

    about avocados:

    Nutritional value

    Avocados are high in valuable, health-promoting fats. For a typical avocado:

        * About 75% of an avocado's calories come from fat, most of which is monounsaturated fat.
        * Avocados also have 60% more potassium than bananas. They are rich in B vitamins, as well as vitamin E and vitamin K.[28]
        * Avocados have a high fiber content among fruits - including 75% insoluble and 25% soluble fiber.[29]
        * A fatty triol (fatty alcohol) with one double bond, avocadene (16-heptadecene-1,2,4-triol), is found in avocado.[30]

    High avocado intake has been shown to have a beneficial effect on blood serum cholesterol levels. Specifically, after a seven-day diet rich in avocados, mild hypercholesterolemia patients showed a 17% decrease in total serum cholesterol levels. These subjects also showed a 22% decrease in both LDL (harmful cholesterol) and triglyceride levels and 11% increase in HDL (helpful cholesterol) levels.[31] Additionally a Japanese team synthesised the four chiral components, and identified (2R, 4R)-16-heptadecene-1, 2, 4-triol as a natural antibacterial component.[32]

    Click or Avocado Me


    guacamole (none / 0) (#79)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:55:10 AM EST

    Sounds about right to me (none / 0) (#89)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:39:09 PM EST
    Rush Limpbaugh (none / 0) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:40:29 PM EST
    be dammed

    "Friends, the goverment wants you (none / 0) (#102)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:09:24 PM EST

    to eat healthily so that you will live longer and they can keep raising taxes on you as you get older."

    It's just that simple.


    holy cr*p! (none / 0) (#61)
    by nycstray on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:15:54 AM EST
    I went from the fat link to the salt one. i'm only on the second salt food and the calories and sodium are freakin' NUTS!!!!

    they really are (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:18:10 AM EST
    I really like V8.  especially the spicy one for bloody marys until I saw the stunning salt content.

    the amount of salt in canned foods, particularly soups is amazing.


    I started to look at their (none / 0) (#66)
    by nycstray on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:30:38 AM EST
    healthiest restaurant meals one and many of those seem to have really high sodium . . .

    i don't eat processed food and rarely eat out. guess i was missing a lot more than i thought i was! sis (2yrs older) had a heart attack 2 wks ago. i sent her the links as she's not so careful about things . . . thanks :)


    ET 2 - EXTINCTION (none / 0) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:06:21 AM EST
    So did (none / 0) (#67)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:31:47 AM EST
    Boss Hogg owns your uterus (none / 0) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:16:41 AM EST
    Republican Georgia State Rep. Bobby Franklin has introduced H.B. 1 in the Georgia Legislature, which, along with outlawing abortion, requires that all miscarriages (which the bill calls "spontaneous fetal deaths") be reported to the local county registrar within 72 hours, along with documentation that the miscarriage occurred with "no human involvement whatsoever."

    something like (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:28:22 AM EST
    25% of all pregnancies end in miscarriage.

    Honestly, this falls 100000% under the category "if men could get pregnant..." this would not be happening.

    This is f*cking nuts.  A lot of times these are really painfull experiences for women who truly want kids.  And wtf does "no human involvement whatsoever" even mean?  That you didn't trip on some stairs or eat the wrong food?


    yeah (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:36:04 AM EST
    the wife of one of my friends here miscarried just a couple of weeks ago.  it was horribly traumatic for both of them.  they had been buying baby things and . . . .

    I love the line in the middle (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:32:01 AM EST
    "No facility operated on public school property or operated by a public school districtand no employee of any such facility acting within the scope of such employee's employment shall distribute contraceptives."

    Because when trying to combat abortions, you must be sure not to give people birth control.

    They should just call this the barefoot and pregnant act.


    thing progress (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:26:11 AM EST
    what has happened to our country (none / 0) (#77)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:53:38 AM EST
    that people like this get elected.  and reelected.  even in GA.
    from wiki:

    Franklin is an opponent of public schools, stating on his weekly blog that, "The State Has No Jurisdiction To Educate Our Children -- Period!"

    In House Bill 1, a bill Franklin proposed that would outlaw abortion, a provision is included that would require that every "spontaneous fetal death" have its cause investigated by the "proper investigating official."

    In January 2011, Franklin sponsored a bill that would do away with driver′s licenses in the State of Georgia. Franklin stated that the licenses represented "oppressive times" and "licensing of drivers cannot be required of free people, because taking on the restrictions of a license requires the surrender of an inalienable right." He further stated that the freedom of movement by operating an automobile should be open to all Americans, regardless of age or driving skills. He cemented these beliefs by noting that he does not object to 12 year old children driving cars on Georgia Highways.

    Franklin is a fierce opponent of abortion and gay rights. Franklin holds that America has strayed from its Christian past and the country needs to be changed into a Christian nation. Franklin believes that legislation that is in direct opposition to God's word will bring about the wrath of God. In 2010, Franklin stated, "Islamic terrorism is not the greatest threat facing America. God is."[12] Franklin claims that President George W. Bush "praises the gods of pagan religions."

    I do love that driving is (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:59:30 AM EST
    "an inalienable right".

    how every amurkan


    I guess (none / 0) (#92)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:40:29 PM EST
    either a lot of people who agree with him or don't pay attention to what he's doing. I really don't know which. This guy is in a district near me and he has been doing this crap for years. I think a lot of people know what he's doing but don't think it will affect them. This guy is beyond disgusting with his hatred of women. He is a sick puppy.

    Sick and disgusting (none / 0) (#110)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:59:11 PM EST
    were exactly the words that came to mind. Hateful is a good one also. How do these people live with their own sick minds? And how could anyone mark a ballot for this guy?

    Glenn Greenwald (none / 0) (#74)
    by lilburro on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:46:32 AM EST
    ...has a point:

    But for those loyal Obama supporters who spent two years defending the administration's DOMA position on this ground:  if they have even a minimal amount of intellectual honestly, shouldn't they now criticize the President's reversal, this new refusal to defend DOMA?   If they really believed what they were saying for the last two years -- that a President is required to defend the constitutionality of all statutes -- then shouldn't they be vocally condemning Obama now for doing exactly that which they insisted he has no power to do?  Of course -- as the torture photo and civilian trial controversies also demonstrated -- one of the joys of partisan fealty and devotion to a leader is that one need not have any actual beliefs or positions:  you get to say whatever you need to say at any given moment to justify the leader's conduct, even if it completely contradicts what you said months or weeks earlier in service of the same objective.  Justifying the leader's behavior is the sole prism through which the entire political world is viewed; one is blissfully liberated from the need to formulate any actual views or principles.

    the man (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:47:38 AM EST
    is so annoyingly consistent

    At moments like this (none / 0) (#80)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:56:25 AM EST
    a good memory is indefensible :)

    Honestly, thank heavens for flip-flopping pols.  I'm inclined to let bygones be bygones.  Better late than never.  At least he's making this change while still in office.  The most annoying thing is the pols who flip-flop once it's too late to do anything about it.


    funny (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:13:22 PM EST
    considering what is known about Ian McKellen and rumored (unfounded) about Patrick Stewart:

    James McAvoy(Wanted, Atonement), who plays Charles Xavier in Matthew Vaughn`s X-Men: First Class, just described the film to the LA Times as `kind of a love story,' and because the love story would be between Xavier and Magneto, I'm afraid that's going to be a tag that proves irresistible to many people.

    curious (none / 0) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:39:15 PM EST
    how women here feel about this conversation on Mahers show about women and muslims

    Bill Maher Slams Muslim Men's Treatment Of Women, Gets Heckled By Audience Member

    got this reaction from some poster at TPM.

    which, I think, distinguishes Maher from one or two of the prominent right-wing bigots who seem to be faking it for ratings.

    Maher is not faking. He's a hater. Ugly stuff.

    I disagree.  I pretty much agree with everything he said.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:43:00 PM EST
    I'm not a big fan of Mahrer but he's right here. Muslim men do treat women horribly or at least the fundamentalist flavor do. I had a Muslim neighbor one time and he did none of this though so I wish that people would start talking about fundamentalism which is problem in all religions vs. just grouping all the people in a religion together.

    I think (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:54:43 PM EST
    the real problem is that they tend to have more religious government.  If the fundies in this country had their way, it might look more like that.  But... they don't, not to the same degree.  And over there, they do.  So yea, things are a lot worse in Saudi Arabia than they are here.  But when you take the government out of it, for example when you think of Muslims who live in the United States, I'd say they are no worse than the rest of their religious American counterparts.

    I agree that whenever you lump people together you can get into trouble.  

    That being said, this was my favorite part:

    "Talk to women who've ever dated an Arab man. The results are not good."  Maher added they have a "sense of entitlement," indeed quite the anecdotal piece of "evidence," and one to which guest Michelle Caruso-Cabrera shot back,

    "Every man I've ever dated has a sense of entitlement."



    but he has a point (none / 0) (#98)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:59:32 PM EST
    ever dated one or known anyone who has?  I have and it colors much of how I see them.  she was married to an Afghan man for several years.  some amazing stories.

    she is the one who first told me about (none / 0) (#99)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:01:11 PM EST
    their propensity to keep little boys as sex toys.

    for some reason assuming this would be of interest to me.


    my sister is (none / 0) (#104)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:43:05 PM EST
    married to a Turk, which I grant you, is not an Afghan - but that's kind of my point.

    Between me and my sisters we have hit up a lot of nationalities.

    Ever dated an African from Africa?  Or an Asian from Asia?

    At least my sister's husband is cool with the fact that she's educated and works.  And as far as I understand isn't 100% convinced of the intelectual inferiority of all women, like some men I've known...

    It's one thing to say Americans vs. some other country.  It's another thing to say "Muslims vs. non-Muslims".  I don't buy it.


    Agree with CST (none / 0) (#178)
    by lilburro on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:58:41 PM EST
    I don't think there's anything about Islam that makes it more misogynistic than Christianity.  In terms of governments, yes we tend to provide greater basic protection to women than do many other countries, but we are still lacking compared to TUNISIA.  Yes, women in the US can drive, but there is a ridiculous amount of rape and domestic violence directed at women in the US compared to other developed countries.  You can't compare the US to Saudi Arabia as if they were apples to apples.   We're making ourselves feel better because women are allowed to drive in our country?  Jeez.  Sorry that's not lifting my spirits.

    I agree about fundamentalism (none / 0) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:48:20 PM EST
    completely but I also think that some religious people who would not call themselves fundamentalists (christian and muslim) are more influenced by fundamentalist ideas than they would like to admit.

    so maybe Im a hater too (none / 0) (#93)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 12:42:30 PM EST
    been called worse

    I did agree with Maher there too (none / 0) (#108)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:52:59 PM EST
    in the exchange with Smiley. Smiley surprised me with that obvious false equivalency. I usually find him smarter than that.

    Yes, the anecdotal evidence stuff is tricky ground and I don't know anyone myself. But was right about the nations with institutionalized mistreatment of women.


    I commented on it earlier (none / 0) (#111)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 01:59:37 PM EST
    Still feel the same way.  I may not be treated "perfectly" in the US but I can tell you off about it and legally you can look at me.  You cannot cut off my head, sorry....I know it is a bummer.  I can also spell out to all my girlfriends what a jerk you are and seize up future dating prospects in my vicinity if you really are a jerk and need to be passed over quickly....and you are free to tell all of your macho chauvinist tolerant friends who can stand you what a b*tch I am.  What you can't do is all find me in the street and stone me death for protecting myself and other women from the likes of you.  There is NO COMPARISON, and for some reason only idiots on Maher's panel that night to comment on any of it.

    or (none / 0) (#112)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:03:11 PM EST
    douse your face with acid

    Yes, everything fun to do to mouthy (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:05:53 PM EST
    women who don't know their place and won't put up with you is illegal here.

    I was thinking about you last night too (none / 0) (#117)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:20:57 PM EST
    for some reason.  My husband was talking about how sort of surprising it has been that the Middle East has seemed to "wake up" and take on so many oppressors.  Five years ago, when I first heard that Oprah had come to Bahgdad and was now the Number Uno program I thought to myself....that's gonna mess some stuff up.  People start thinking outside the box and all the way around the box :)  The Middle East has had five years of Oprah now in different areas, and when something intrigues them they find ways to get it to those who don't have it.  I want to know, what role has Oprah played in all of this.  And I'm serious.  My husband looked at me like I was cracked, that was when I thought to myself that Captain Howdy would undstand :)

    I agree (5.00 / 1) (#124)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:25:32 PM EST
    Oprah is a virus.  

    quote from some movie but I cant remember which one.

    "over there you got woman and over there you got woman but when you put them together you get women.  and them all kinds of thing start happening. mostly good things.  but things."


    ah (none / 0) (#132)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:33:27 PM EST
    that was from Solaris.

    not just Oprah (5.00 / 2) (#125)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:26:45 PM EST
    But... Obama.

    The election of Obama was a worldwide phenomenon.  Whatever it was in the states, I think it was an even bigger deal abroad.

    I remember reading an article in the BBC about how young people in China who had never thought twice about Democracy were becomming jealous of their western counterparts.

    Obama made Democracy cool.  Which - while it may not be the most important factor in terms of passing effective policy, it sure is a good way to make the youth of the world stand up and take notice.


    I absolutely agree (none / 0) (#129)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:29:37 PM EST
    you can see the influence on every crowd.  I posted a link to some pics from libya yesterday of some men with pics of Gaddafi all doctored up to look like pic of Obama from the 08 election with the caption HOPELESS.

    but Obama and Oprah are sort of joined at the hip.


    Obrah? (none / 0) (#135)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:38:42 PM EST
    Barah Winama (none / 0) (#159)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:20:00 PM EST
    sounds like someone crying

    Anyone here know anything (none / 0) (#120)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:23:44 PM EST
    about the kind of abuse Untouchable women in India have been traditionally subjected to? I'm gonna go out on a limb and guess that most here don't have a clue; which is, to some extent understandable, given India's 'trading partner' status and the Muslim treatment of women suddenly becoming such an issue of compelling concern since 9/11..

    untouchable men are very little better off (none / 0) (#126)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:26:59 PM EST
    and actually I do know a good deal about it. the father of one of my best friends here an Indian.  

    Equal opportunity abusers :) (none / 0) (#128)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:28:24 PM EST
    and indian (none / 0) (#130)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:32:14 PM EST
    married to a mouthy puerto rican woman.  Dave has many funny stories.

    and they are jewish (none / 0) (#143)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:47:48 PM EST
    I was surprised to learn that there is a pretty large jewish population in India.  Dave has some great pics of synagogues in the middle of the rain forest.

    and speaking of acid in the face (none / 0) (#138)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:40:37 PM EST
    Not long ago I saw a photo in National Geographic of two little boys in India who had had acid thrown in their faces for having the temerity to try to draw water out of an upper caste Hindu's pond.

    Not the kind of red meat Bill Maher is looking for though..Which isn't to suggest that he's wrong for talking about the treatment of women in Islamic countries, only that I'm a little jaundiced about the kind of expedient, fashionable humanitarianism that issues from people like Maher.  


    I think Bill Maher cares about such things (none / 0) (#147)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:52:41 PM EST
    I don't think anyone is deliberately not talking about it.

    actually the reason (5.00 / 1) (#148)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:55:03 PM EST
    he was talking about muslims is because of the wave of revolution sweeping arab countries.  that was the whole point.

    We aren't talking about India (none / 0) (#127)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:27:53 PM EST
    But if you want to talk about India, and how women's rights in India are abusive as hell and pathetic when compared to women's rights in the U.S., I agree with you and I have no reason not to.

    We aren't and we never are.. (none / 0) (#140)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:43:46 PM EST
    and why do you suppose that is, other than that we're not there fighting a hostile force and setting up military bases and oil pipe lines?

    I suppose that is because (5.00 / 1) (#141)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:44:50 PM EST
    That didn't come up on the Maher show.

    could also have to do with the fact that (none / 0) (#144)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:48:48 PM EST
    a lot more muslims not only live here but practice there religion here.

    I'm a little more jaundiced.. (none / 0) (#153)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:04:00 PM EST
    and tend to think that as long as a country hasn't attacked us and a lot of U.S investment capital is going there, it becomes much less fashionable to discuss a nation's record of human rights abuses.

    maybe you should change your (none / 0) (#154)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:05:45 PM EST
    screen name from jondee to jaundiced

    they call me mellow yellow (5.00 / 1) (#155)
    by jondee on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:06:43 PM EST
    It does among certain people (none / 0) (#176)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:15:04 PM EST
    I would not put most commenters here in that category though, and I wouldn't put Bill Maher in that category either.  Not that he is "perfect" on comprehending women's issues and can always easily hide the slight sexism he runs on at times, but overall, I give him some pretty high marks for a male human being.

    I'd say part of the problem (5.00 / 1) (#149)
    by CST on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:58:36 PM EST
    also stems from the counter-responses to Maher.  If one of them had gone on to say "what about what happens in India to untouchables" and brings up those things, than they might have a point.  Or the fact that China has a serious female-shortage today because they have been killing baby girls for years.  Or widespread genital mutilation in Africa.

    But they don't, they say, hey, isn't America just as bad?

    No, it isn't.


    wanted to slap (none / 0) (#150)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:00:46 PM EST
    Tavis Smiley

    I thought that exchange (none / 0) (#161)
    by brodie on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:21:00 PM EST
    had plenty of residual 2008 Obama vs Hillary undercurrents, with Tavis a little sensitive about how she was treated in the media for being a woman, and Bill a little sensitive about how he joked about her during that period to favor Obama and how his pick has turned out as prez.

    Throw into the mix a mention of what is probably Bill's #1 example of how religion oppresses people, and you have a couple of guys digging in and refusing to give an inch.  

    And it was telling that there might be some past between these two when Bill shot back at Tavis that "real liberals don't tolerate intolerance" which was delivered fairly sharply with sincerity and no attempt at taking off the edge with humor.


    "sharply with sincerity (none / 0) (#162)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:25:52 PM EST
    and no attempt at taking off the edge with humor"

    really not at all uncommon for that show


    Perhaps so but I (none / 0) (#164)
    by brodie on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:37:30 PM EST
    thought that parting shot by Bill carried a little more direct sharpness than he normally delivers to his guests.

    as I said (none / 0) (#165)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:39:40 PM EST
    I understand why.  I wanted to smack him myself.

    Yeah, I thought it had a lot of (none / 0) (#169)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:07:22 PM EST
    'and you should know better' in it. Or maybe that is just what I was thinking.

    SO DID I! (none / 0) (#177)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 07:17:51 PM EST
    He shamed himself

    Surprised no one commented on (none / 0) (#118)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:21:44 PM EST

    Psy-ops allegedly used on US Senators to convince them to spend more on war in Afghanistan

    A report in Rolling Stone accuses the U.S. Army of illegally ordering a "team of soldiers specializing in 'psychological operations' to manipulate visiting American senators into providing more troops and funding for the war."

    Have not seen it - will check it out (5.00 / 1) (#137)
    by ruffian on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:39:46 PM EST
    sounds intriguing. Didn't know that 'Men who talk to goats' was referring to John McCain and Lindsay Graham.

    I think maybe (none / 0) (#146)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:50:38 PM EST
    one two many movies

    Actual article (none / 0) (#119)
    by jbindc on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:22:20 PM EST
    That is a regular day (none / 0) (#142)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 02:46:42 PM EST
    That isn't a new Psy-ops mission :)

    google is funny (none / 0) (#151)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:01:45 PM EST
    I just typed in "is" space

    got this as a first repsonse

    is kevjumba a heterosexual bear wrestler

    heh (none / 0) (#152)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:02:51 PM EST
    "Is Kevjumba a heterosexual bear wrestler?" certainly follows in that proud tradition. The odd phrase pretty much dominated Google search last night, carrying into this morning, leaving folks who follow such things generally scratching their collective search engine optimizing heads.

    credit where its due (none / 0) (#156)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:15:20 PM EST
    Huckabee on Obama.

    He's been very expressive in his statements, even at the Saddleback Forum when he ran in 2008. He spelled out very clearly what his view was, and frankly, it's inappropriate , wrong-headed, and not helpful to the overall discussion when people try to say he doesn't have a birth certificate or he's a Muslim. To me that demeans the entire real discussion--what is he proposing and whether it's good for the country--that ought to be the centerpiece for our entire conversation, not what did he hear when he sat in church. If people went back and heard every sermon I heard when I was a little kid and some of the more fundamentalist pastors were yelling from the pulpit at me, if they took every one of those sermons and lifted out of them certain phrases and things, it could be scandalous, but only out of the context of the bigger picture. That's why I thought that a lot of the focus on Jeremiah Wright was misplaced.

    survey says (none / 0) (#158)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:18:14 PM EST
    a fair question (none / 0) (#160)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:20:26 PM EST
    Egypt's young people, fresh off of toppling a 30-year dictatorship through the help of social media, used that technology to grill Secretary of State Hillary Clinton on Wednesday, asking her why the U.S. didn't express support for the revolution sooner.

    "The attitude of the U.S. during the Egyptian revolution was to support the Egyptian regime first," read one of the nearly 6,500 questions, videos and audio files users submitted through the Egyptian social media website, Masrawy. "Then, when the revolution turned successful, the U.S. switched sides and supported the Egyptian youth. Why?"

    There might have been (none / 0) (#167)
    by brodie on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:46:26 PM EST
    some early missteps in the public utterances, but it was a dicey situation throughout and the admin had to thread the needle.  Speak too forcefully and it sounds like the revolution is being US-led; say too little and it gives the impression Obama would prefer Mubarak stay in power.

    I'm satisfied with the outcome so far and generally with how Obama et al handled it.   My question would be, what if anything did O and his people do for 2 years to nudge Mubarak towards giving his people more freedom.  Or were they just continuing a BushLite status quo attitude.


    this was directed (none / 0) (#170)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:16:38 PM EST
    at Hillary specifically.

    She was the only admin (none / 0) (#172)
    by brodie on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:30:27 PM EST
    spokesperson -- to her credit -- to take Qs from the youth, so of course they were directing their Qs to her.  

    And I don't see a cite from you saying they were specifically calling her out for extra condemnation, as opposed to Obama or his admin, for failing to more forcefully back the revolt early on.


    my bad (none / 0) (#173)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 04:40:23 PM EST
    Your comment says (none / 0) (#182)
    by Towanda on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 11:05:39 PM EST
    the question about the U.S. role was directed to her.  Because she was the one there.  The question still was about the U.S. role.

    she is the SoS (none / 0) (#183)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Feb 25, 2011 at 07:35:18 AM EST
    in some ways she IS the US to foreign countries.  they are not stupid.  they saw the same video we did.  they know who was on their side and who was not.

    VA regulates abortion (none / 0) (#168)
    by waldenpond on Thu Feb 24, 2011 at 03:49:21 PM EST
    Great link in sidebar... VA bypasses process and votes to regulate clinics as hospitals and expects to eliminate 17 of 21 clinics.

    roanoke times...