Making the point that bloggers are NOT in fact the base of the Democratic Party (duh), Matt Yglesias writes:

I often thought during the health care debate that poor people would be saying “hell no I’m not going to give up this Medicaid expansion so you can hold out indefinitely for a public option.”

Funny, I often thought during the health care debate that less well off people should be saying "hell no I'm not going to give up a public option for those sh*tty exchanges Beltway Bloggers love." Different strokes I guess.

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    Yes, but Matt is telling them (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by observed on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:35:01 PM EST
    what they should have thought.
    It's that condescending elitism which is practically the only "liberal" trait I see in MY.

    They should be proud (none / 0) (#3)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:38:46 PM EST
    and demanding standing there with their hand out while the man turns their pockets inside out to  count their loose change up and mark it down.  Sorry, but what a clueless dummy.

    As if (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:35:36 PM EST
    As if people who are on Medicaid, who are in our existing social structure the deadbeat loser class, are going to march in the streets proudly demanding anything.  How out of touch can one man really be?

    By the time you drag yourself into whatever office you have to after waiting months for your appointment time to arrive, and filling out all the paperwork that clearly defines and insures you really are this much of a loser, I think all you probably want to do is drag yourself home and cry.

    We were not been able to get our daughter through the process, I guess she'd rather eat dirt than have to sit there for hours waiting her turn and contemplating what a worthless crappy person she is.  We are now checking to see if she can be on our insurance again even though she has been married. Must be nice to be Matt though and get to have Matt's life so far.  He sure is clueless about the realities out there for others though.

    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by ruffian on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:53:17 PM EST
    I often thought during the health care debate that liberals used to be the spokespeople for the downtrodden that did not have the werewithal to fight for themselves.

    I guess Matt was just there to do whatever it is he was doing and then critique the efforts of the downtrodden.


    I know I'd rather eat dirt... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:44:38 PM EST
    than ever making the mistake of asking the state for help ever again...like you said, the side dishes of investigation, humuliation, degradation are just too sour, and then you find out you made 5 bucks too many last year to qualify for the assistance.



    I couldn't believe the paperwork she had (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:48:16 PM EST
    to fill out.  I read it all, looked at her single mom divorced tear stained face and that appointment months and months out....she wasn't going to do this.  She had already been humiliated enough.

    It's awful... (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:53:50 PM EST
    and heaven forbid one "unworthy" person slip through the cracks and get a hand, Rush Limbaugh won't shut up about it for two weeks.  

    I don't envy her...but its a lesson we all must learn, and often the hard way...our sense of "community" does not extend below 500k a year.  All we got is ourselves, our friends, and our family to get by...and luckily she got you.  The community at large?  Just as likely to kick ya than help ya.


    not just Medicaid (none / 0) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:46:31 PM EST
    my mother waited for years for social security disability benefits when she was almost old enough to collect ss.  she died waiting for them.

    I'm so sorry, Captain (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:07:31 PM EST
    It's a crying shame.  I know a (very) few people on disability who had to wait literally years to get on it, and I also know some who really should be on it, but have never been approved.  This is part of the reason why the whole idea of raising the Social Security age even more makes me crazy.  Those who think it's a good idea, when asked about people in physically demanding jobs who simply cannot perform them at older and older ages, blithely say "Well, they can go on disability!"  Well, good luck to them ever getting on disability.

    Sort of changes the whole (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:23:04 PM EST
    Entitlement meme huh when we take a moment to think about what has happened to those we know and love.  We are entitled to be abused and treated like crap :)

    It drives me (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Zorba on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:36:18 PM EST
    around the bend when the "powers that be" and the parroting media "pundits" go on and on dismissively about "entitlements."  I not only care and worry about those I know and love, I extend this to all those I don't personally know, but I know are out there, hurting and not getting the help they need.  A society is judged by how they treat those who need help, as far as I'm concerned.  "Inasmuch as ye have done it unto one of the least of these my brethren, ye have done it unto me."  Matthew 25:40.  One of the (very) few parts of the Bible that I take literally.    

    it is (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:26:08 PM EST
    unfortunately Ive sort of seen both sides of this.  I have a relative currently who gets benefits.  with the assistance of a law firm.  why cant she work?  she is to fat.  I am not kidding.

    Oh god (none / 0) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:34:53 PM EST

    seriously (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:39:05 PM EST
    makes me what to hit her over the head with one of those wallmart wheelchairs.

    Don't tell Limbaugh... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:39:44 PM EST
    thats all we need.

    Every system will be abused by the unscrupulous, just look at our capitalist system at large...doesn't mean its not worth doing.  Just gotta do your best to minimize the fraud while not making it too investigatively humiliating for those in genuine need.

    I got a good friend on disability...lost his finger in the hopper of his garbage truck.  He's never been a "worker", the running joke is how many aborted attempts did it take for him to find the stones to surrender his finger for a life on the dole..1,2,10?:)


    nah (none / 0) (#21)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:43:13 PM EST
    she would be a fan.  he knows his base.

    Dear God....no kidding (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:51:59 PM EST
    I have to go over this with my husband too (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:50:41 PM EST
    There will always be people hell bent on getting over.  They will live their lives in that fashion, you will not change them...and they usually aren't very happy people so I'm not sure how well this getting over thing is working out for them.

    If you are a military officer though, they don't promote 100% (well they did when George Bush broke the damned military and that was freaky...that was sort of like the military having a TBTF bailout moment that ended in a few years).  But based on their needs they choose a certain percentage each year that will be promoted, then they get together everybody's paperwork and get a board together, line everyone up based on who they think is great and who sucks...and you might make the cut.  If you don't make the cut you get to leave active duty and get the hell out :)  He hasn't had to live around anyone getting over for too long.  He thinks he doesn't have to anymore or something and it gets pretty funny.


    I don't believe it, and (none / 0) (#30)
    by NYShooter on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 07:05:39 PM EST
    don't, for a minute, think its funny.

    We all laughed at the old "McDonald's coffee lady" too.....until the rest of the story came out showing the horrific injuries she sustained.


    That is shameful (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 12:57:14 PM EST
    that pisses me off.  Joshua goes to therapy very near a Social Security office, and there is this huge billboard a block away for a law firm who fights for your disability.  They pay for both sides...coming and going, it gives me comfort.  My dad had a hell of a fight getting his.  It was tough.  He has a horrible brain injury, but was able to go back to work and did very well in his trade.  He doesn't have much for memory though.  My birth, his childhood, a lot of things were wiped clean...and he gets very emotional easy about some things, not work though.

    He made a lot of money in his lifetime, paid in a lot of money, but his aging with this brain injury is different than the aging of someone without it.  When his cognitive capacity began taking a hit it happened in high speed.  My grandfather got him an attorney though when they first balked at and fought giving it to him. He gets his.


    this was in the 70s (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:23:50 PM EST
    probably before these lawfirms existed.  certainly my mother did not have access to one.  I know that.
    she was on her own.  trying to recover from colon cancer.

    still makes me mad to think about it.


    me too (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by sj on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:30:26 PM EST
    All these years later, it makes me mad, too.  I'm so sorry your family had to deal with that.

    thank you (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:34:35 PM EST
    Some people are slow (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:33:18 PM EST
    to go to an attorney too.  I sort of am, I try to work things out myself and that is not always something that is a good idea or has a snowball's chance of working out :)  I do miss having my grandfather's bossy council around sometimes.  I always initially think that when I must get an attorney I've likely screwed up.  I walk in the door feeling extremely guilty of something every time :) He was never like that, life meant that sometimes you must hire an attorney if you can at all afford one and you just go do it and it isn't about screwing up, it is about the system we created and live in.  This places the poor at a great disadvantage though.

    thanks (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:36:16 PM EST
    yes she was in the backside of nowhere.  many hours from anything resembling a city and really had no help.  except maybe my sister or what ever I could do being 20 something and almost never around because I was away working.

    the "creative class" <retch> (none / 0) (#10)
    by The Addams Family on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 01:12:01 PM EST
    not so much w/creative imagination i guess

    The truth of the matter is that (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Anne on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:16:52 PM EST
    it probably pretty much doesn't matter what demographic comprises the base, because outside of using the tactics of guilt and fear to get people to keep voting for them, once they have our votes we go on "ignore" and they go about doing what they want.  The operative word being "they."

    And I am, frankly, getting tired of people who don't have even the first clue what a liberal is trying to claim that mantle - I'm pretty sure that the "liberal supporter" who was bored by the blogger call on the budget isn't liberal at all - I mean what kind of liberal isn't upset at Obama's economic policy, one that thinks cutting programs for the poor is how we're going to prove how serious we are about spending?  What liberal doesn't think the budget could be subtitled, "See, we can be heartless and cruel just like Republicans!"

    What people were saying during the health care debate was, "Please - I just want to be able to afford to see the doctor without first having to give thousands of dollars to insurance companies who don't want me to do that."

    And the question I thought the so-called liberal bloggers should be asking is why we need to further entrench the class structure of health care - why we're happy to make people wear a big neon sign around their necks that says, "I'm on Medicaid, so I'm poor,"  and for what?  So those who aren't can feel superior?  Where has that gotten us, exactly?

    Right where we are it seems, where "liberal" supporters can be bored by the travails of the pooe people who allegedly comprise the base of the party they also claim membership in.

    This is one crazy-a$$ world we live in, isn't it?

    Well (none / 0) (#28)
    by lilburro on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:44:44 PM EST
    people with $$ donate $.  So that's part of it.  And I don't really know what MY means when he says "poor people" and I don't know if he knows what he means.  Unions, blogging communities, and other organizations are organized around...being organized.  If "poor people" were organized you would be hearing a lot more from them than "give me my Medicaid extension."

    Sh*tty exchanges Beltway bloggers love (none / 0) (#29)
    by vicndabx on Tue Feb 15, 2011 at 02:47:55 PM EST
    Fact is most users are happy with coverage obtained by way of our most recent experience w/an exchange:

    Independent surveys have consistently shown that more than 85 percent of Medicare beneficiaries are satisfied with their Part D coverage


    Individuals like being able to choose a plan that best meets their unique health care needs.  A single, one-size-fits-all drug plan would have limited the ability of beneficiaries to address their own health needs.  Congress did create a defined "standard plan" with the MMA; however just 15 percent of enrollees have selected that defined standard benefit for 2008.  Most beneficiaries opt instead for plans with lower premiums, no deductibles, and enhancements such as coverage for generics within the coverage gap.

    The "less well off" probably don't have time to worry about policy experiments.