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    God hates Kyle Orton (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Dadler on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 08:38:41 PM EST
    I think that much is clear.  That said...Tehbow!

    And Tyler Palko is a joke. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 12:20:50 PM EST
    C'mon Coach Haley, it's time to put Stanzi in!  

    BTW--Orton got 2.5 million for one play.  God doesn't hate him that much.  


    GOOOO TEBOWWWWW! (none / 0) (#13)
    by Amiss on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 08:13:05 AM EST
    Oh and Guess who is playing in Gator Bowl (none / 0) (#14)
    by Amiss on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 08:16:10 AM EST
    Should be interesting at least...........Gators vs Ohio State

    Thirty-six bowl games (none / 0) (#44)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 03:29:56 AM EST
    requires 72 teams, nearly 3/4ths of FBS teams and the Ohio State - Florida matchup means $$$.

    Quote (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by NYShooter on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 09:25:57 PM EST
    "I know that I had a lot of help. Offensive line did a great job, and receivers stepped up and made me look a lot better than I really am," said Tebow, who completed 10 of 15 passes, his best percentage as an NFL starter, and posted a career-high passer rating of 149.3.

    A few more comments like that and the T-Man's got another fan.

    I've never seen him play before, and I don't get (none / 0) (#15)
    by Farmboy on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 08:18:33 AM EST
    the hype. On field he was a loud-mouthed, tantrum throwing child - just like many other 24 year old millionaires in the NFL. Post game he was all, ah shucks, I'm just a regular guy. Again, just like many of his peers.

    As to his performance, the passer rating was good but he only made 15 attempts. The rookie QB on the other side out threw him by nearly 200 yards, and I didn't see him on TV screaming at his teammates when bad things like INTs happened. Maybe he should try that approach to get some love - or maybe move to a team that isn't a joke.


    He's led his team to the division lead (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by republicratitarian on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 09:17:33 AM EST
    and if the playoffs started today they would be in.

    That's no joke.


    I called the Vikings a joke, and they may not (none / 0) (#18)
    by Farmboy on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 09:41:21 AM EST
    have enough time to make it to next year's playoffs.

    and in yesterday's game it was the Denver (none / 0) (#20)
    by Farmboy on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 09:44:13 AM EST
    defense that led the team to a victory.

    Denver's D was as bad as they've been ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by magster on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 02:36:53 PM EST
    .... for weeks yesterday. Don't be a hater, embrace the Tebow.

    Maybe Not, But the Division Is (none / 0) (#34)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 12:20:48 PM EST
    When I saw the NFC North was lined up against the AFC West, I thought the Packers had one of the easiest schedule in football.  But then I reminded myself that every team in the AFC West has an easier schedule.

    I believe Tebow has beaten one team that is over 500, the Jets.

    I have had the pleasure of watching Tebow twice and he is exciting to watch, like yesterday.  The problem of course is that they had to mount a serious comeback from an 2-10 team, a team they should have thrashed.


    This should be flagged and used (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by CoralGables on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 10:03:19 AM EST
    as a teaching tool to show why people that wake up on the wrong side of the bed shouldn't be permitted near a keyboard in the morning.

    Are advocating restraint of right to comment? (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:32:34 AM EST
    I'm wondering if Tebow, post NFL, could do a song and dance show a la Hugh Jackman.  

    Using the above comment as an example (none / 0) (#32)
    by CoralGables on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:53:01 AM EST
    what would be best for a site without an edit button is the self-imposed Oreos and tea rule advocated years ago. Type, walk away, eat a handful of Oreos, wash it down with the beverage of your choice, re-read what you wrote, highlight, cut, and start over.

    As for the song and dance you wish for...I'm reminded of last week's cougars and boy toys thread :)


    Please, tell me what was wrong with my post (none / 0) (#42)
    by Farmboy on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 03:04:35 PM EST
    that I should censor myself. I made a few basic points about Tebow:
    I've never seen him play before; I wasn't impressed with the performance I saw, either as a player or as a person; and I based on yesterday's game I don't understand the hype.

    I made a couple points about the Vikings and Ponder:
    The Vikings are a joke; and If Ponder wants to get noticed for his performance as a player he either needs to adopt Tebow's public persona or needs to get on a team that isn't a joke.

    What part of this is worthy of the Winston Smith treatment?


    Sadly (none / 0) (#45)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 03:33:40 AM EST
    My bet is politics and that would be a real disaster.

    Did you miss his Focus on the Family ad?


    Tebow being drafted by the Broncos (none / 0) (#23)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 10:29:55 AM EST
    was widely discussed/criticized because it wasn't thought he would make a NFL quarterback because of his playing "style." That is, he is more of a running QB vs a drop back passer. That was/is a valid comment because of the more physical nature of the pros vs college play. And the possibility he may be injured because of his style of play.

    But the criticism ignored that he was a proven winner and a leader. Those are special qualities that go beyond the mechanics of the game. His team mates play at or often above their "usual" talent level because they believe he will do "something" that will let them win.

    As football is very much a team game, that belief is very important.

    So far his critics are wrong. I suspect he will become more of a pocket passer as time goes on.

    He was/is also a person who is not afraid to display his faith in public. I think this makes many people uncomfortable so they look for a reason to criticize him.

    At present he is talking the talk and walking the walk in both the game and his faith.

    I wish him well and success in his game and faith.


    Tebow's faith doesn't make me uncomfortable (none / 0) (#25)
    by Farmboy on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 10:52:08 AM EST
    although I saw no evidence of it on the field yesterday. What I saw was a Broncos team nearly lose to one of the worst teams in the NFL, and the only reason that didn't happen was the Denver defense.

    As I said, this game being my only exposure to Tebow's performance as a player, I don't get the hype. YMMV


    Well, I tried to give you (none / 0) (#26)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 10:59:46 AM EST
    a snapshot. I will only add that the Greenbay Packers, who were 11-0, almost lost to the Giants, who had lost three straight.

    "On any given Sunday" has long been a NFL mantra.

    And yes, Denver has a very good defense. And defense is what gives the offense the chance to win.


    BTW - Christian faith (none / 0) (#27)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:01:17 AM EST
    doesn't mean that you are not supposed to play and fight hard against your opponents.

    Christian faith should have little to do with the (none / 0) (#53)
    by Farmboy on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 01:16:05 PM EST
    outcome of a sporting event. Or should the Vikings' defeat be taken as an indication of their lack of faith, and earn them a public stoning?

    Bronco Defense Ranked 24th (none / 0) (#38)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 01:29:39 PM EST
    OK but they've been good enough (none / 0) (#48)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 09:40:18 AM EST
    when they needed to to win.

    'Must be something...all those opponents (none / 0) (#41)
    by christinep on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 02:38:34 PM EST
    Lots of back & forth on Monday mornings in Denvertown these days. Since I grew to become a Tebow fan--officially during the Chargers game--my neighbor is shocked at my new fan-dom. Denver is a football town; the usual commentary is nothing new...unless it is the Tebow thing now. As I said a week or so ago, it is different (we all know that) and against expected form (we know that too) and, mostly at this point, fun.

    So...the neighbor keeps saying "but, oh, the opponents, blah, blah." And, my response: Bottom-line record; were the other five opponents also the worst. BTW, everyone is aware that "on any given day" the poor/bad/not-so-hot team wins, especially if it means something (& my understanding is that it really was a need-to for Minneapolis in more ways than one.) Heck, even the perfect Green Bay doubled down to beat the Jets (y'know that team that Denver beat.)

    It is fun. And, on this limited matter...ta da...I agree with jimaka. It would be not unexpected for Tebow to improve the passing skills compatible with the southpaw situation. Heck, it even took a few pro-years for Elway to develop, as we might tend to forget over the years.


    Yeah, I well remember when (none / 0) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 09:42:50 AM EST
    Elway grabbed the ball you weren't sure whether to grimace or grin.

    But, like Tebow, he was always fun to watch and even early on capable of some amazing things.


    Which Denver defense was that? (none / 0) (#51)
    by rdandrea on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 11:21:22 AM EST
    the only reason that didn't happen was the Denver defense.

    The one that gave up 381 yards passing to Christian Ponder?


    The defense that forced three turnovers, (none / 0) (#52)
    by Farmboy on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 01:08:27 PM EST
    scoring on one of them, and winning the game with a last minute interception. That defense.

    As opposed to the Denver offense, with 13 first downs, 3/11 on third down conversions, only 180 yards in the air, and 150 yards on the ground.

    Without the score from the Denver d and the interceptions, the Broncos lose.


    Yqa, No Jesus in My Football (none / 0) (#36)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 12:45:35 PM EST
    He was/is also a person who is not afraid to display his faith in public. I think this makes many people uncomfortable so they look for a reason to criticize him.

    Do you watch football, I can't remember the last time someone scored and didn't do some random Jesus non-sense.  If anything, the NFL is too saturated with public displays of Jesus, certainly the interviews are.


    That's not considered excessive (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 01:56:01 PM EST

    I can't remember any (none / 0) (#50)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 09:45:17 AM EST
    player getting the publicity re his faith.

    But what's your point? No praying on the field?

    What's next? No prayers before a Math test?


    Well, honestly, I'm pleased (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by oculus on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 12:47:04 AM EST
    anytime Michigan bests MSU.  

    Michigan did not (none / 0) (#46)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 03:42:33 AM EST
    deserve the Sugar Bowl.  We manhandled them, won the division outright, split with Wisconsin and got the shaft.  Michigan beat one ranked team, Michigan State beat two ranked teams.

    Penalized for winning the division and playing in the Championship game.


    Bakelite! (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by observed on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 12:47:26 AM EST
    I just noticed that my teakettle, from Germany,
    has a Bakelite handle and knob.
    Damn, having some Bakelite really gives me kitchen a modern feel!

    LOL! (none / 0) (#19)
    by Zorba on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 09:41:47 AM EST
    You're certainly on the cutting edge there, observed!  (Actually, old Bakelite has become quite collectible.)

    Well, this is new Bakelite, which (none / 0) (#24)
    by observed on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 10:36:48 AM EST
    really surprises me!
    Actually, my kitchen is great. It's extremely modern, and has lots of cupboard space all packed very compactly near the stove and fridge.
    It's a little lacking in counter space, but that's a minor quibble, as I'm mostly cooking for one.

    I didn't even realize (none / 0) (#37)
    by Zorba on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 01:21:54 PM EST
    that they're still making it!  Have fun in the kitchen.  Cupboard space is always good.

    kdog (none / 0) (#3)
    by CoralGables on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 09:27:45 PM EST
    reports out of Miami say Jose Reyes is a fish

    Adios Jose... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 10:24:35 AM EST
    thanks for the thrills, but I'll see ya at New Shea tormenting the Mutts for years to come I'm sure.

    I just hope the Mutts have the sense to go into full-on rebuild mode now...trade D-Wright and anybody else who may fetch more than a bag of balls, and rebuild the farm.


    Climate Change is a hoax of course... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Sun Dec 04, 2011 at 09:31:34 PM EST
    SAN ANTONIO (Reuters) - The yearlong Texas drought is taking a heartbreaking toll on horses and donkeys, thousands of which have been abandoned by owners who can no longer afford the skyrocketing price of the hay needed to feed them.

    "We get 20 to 40 calls a week that horses are alongside the road and left; nobody's claimed them," Richard Fincher of Safe Haven Equine Rescue in Gilmer, in east Texas, told Reuters. "Sheriffs are calling us all the time."

    Before this year, he would get more like three or four calls a week, he said.


    Horse abandonment is a crime, and state law requires abandoned horses to be held by the local sheriff's department for 18 days, he said. After that, most are sold at a sale barn for whatever prices they can bring.

    Fincher said he expects the problem to continue.

    -- Texas drought leaves heartbreaking toll of abandoned horses

    This will really become a problem when the planet starts abandoning humans. Starting in Texas?

    Oh, wait...

    Forget Michigan State (#17), Boise (#7)... (none / 0) (#8)
    by cymro on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 01:17:36 AM EST
    ... was left out of the BCS bowls despite being ranked higher than both Virginia Tech (#11) and Michigan (#13), both of which were picked by the Sugar Bowl.

    This just goes to prove (once again) that the BCS is about the size a team's fan base, and its TV market, and not its BCS ranking. In other words, the BCS rankings are a huge sham, designed to fool people into allowing a few conferences to continue to make the most money from college football.

    Twin paranormal study debunking (none / 0) (#12)
    by observed on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 05:50:19 AM EST
    I've met someone who believes in telepathy, and one of her reasons is that twin studies demonstrate telepathy.
    Does anyone know a good source on this topic?
    I didn't find much by googling.

    Hate to say I told you so (none / 0) (#16)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 08:28:39 AM EST

    Not a bad default position (none / 0) (#28)
    by sj on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:05:33 AM EST
    But in reference to something in particular? :)

    Preious comments in support of Tebow's (none / 0) (#30)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 11:16:11 AM EST
    ability to play QB in the NFL.

    And I am not an SEC fan much less Fla.  Nor Broncos fan.  


    Ah (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by sj on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 12:03:06 PM EST
    By the time I got here I had forgotten what the original post looked like... :)

    If you would like to blame someone (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Mon Dec 05, 2011 at 03:29:12 PM EST
    for Alabama rather than Oklahoma State (and I agree with you), then place the blame where it belongs...the 6 of the 59 coaches that chose to keep OSU out of their top three on their ballot. All 59 coaches had Alabama in their top 3.

    If you want to try and find a conspiracy, here are your villains:

    Troy Calhoun - Air Force Academy
    David Cutcliff - Duke
    Doug Marrone - Syracuse
    Gary Pinkel - Missouri
    Nick Saban - Alabama
    David Shaw - Stanford

    Couldn't agree more (none / 0) (#47)
    by cal1942 on Tue Dec 06, 2011 at 03:58:05 AM EST
    Michigan State should have gotten the Rose Bowl last year and would have under the old conference rules.  The conference rules were changed the season before to send the team with the highest BCS ranking.  

    This year State committed the sin of playing in the conference championship game.

    I can understand the BCS deciding the participants in the national championship game but for conferences to voluntarily give away autonomy to BCS standings is a real crock and in the long run doesn't help the conference become more competitive.

    Now we'll play on January 2nd while two other bowls are in progress and THOSE people will get a prime time gig all to themselves.