Wednesday Morning Open Thread

I'm swamped still. But read this:

I don't think it's too strident to demand at this point that David Brooks be hauled up before a jury consisting of everyone else in America and forced to defend himself against several million counts of being an insufferable twat in a public place. In today's episode of Missing the Point So I Don't Miss a Meal, Our Mr. Brooks informs us that he once again has placed us all under close inspection beneath his monocle and discovered that some of us are very angry, not because some thieves in nice suits pillaged the national economy and then held the scraps for ransom. Oh, no, that isn't it at all, and he's got some wholly arbitrary ad hoc sociological categories to prove it.

Yep. Charles Pierce.

Open Thread.

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    Bottom line (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:11:14 AM EST
    A whole lot of us worked hard for decades to get make it into the middle class and we kinda object to the top 1% stealing what we need to remain there.

    I object... (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:57:46 AM EST
    to any cuts to Medicare/Medicaid/Social Security/Food Stamps aka programs that might actually help a human being while the DEA, an agency that hurts, still exists.

    And, stealing is what it is about. (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:30:49 PM EST
    The premises go unexamined and assertions are accepted as facts.  Social security is going broke and cutting Medicare will address higher health care costs.   We must cut benefits now so as to avoid cutting benefits in 75 years. And, just to be sure, we need to privatize--let Wall Street do it.   Anybody for sequestration?   The best possible outcome, given where we are,  in my view.

    The Super-Duper Committee (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:35:57 AM EST
    gets advise from bipartisan "experts," leading off with Bowles and Simpson of Cat Food Commission fame.  Bowles was fearful that the committee will "fail--fail the country."  Simpson had, unsurprisingly, unkind words in equal parts for Grover Norquist who had people in "thrall" to him and to AARP who he said was blocking changes to Medicare and Social Security, describing a recent AARP ad as the most disgusting ad he had ever seen (you remember, the one that urges Congress to cut wasteful spending and close tax loopholes, not reduce benefits).

    But not there just to criticize, Bowles and Simpson had their own suggestions: a nice balanced package to reduce deficits by $2.6 trillion of which $800 billion is from increased revenues and the rest in cuts, in Medicare and Medicaid, of course, and, also, a "less generous" formula to calculate social security benefits.  Bowles would also be supportive of raising the eligibility age for Medicare since we have coverage available through ACA.  

    Alice Rivlin and Peter Domenici, of a private study group, proposed a total revamping of Medicare which some, and count me among them, might describe as harebrained. All four experts said Congress should devise a "grand bargain" to reduce deficits.

    Co-chair Senator Patti Murray concluded by saying that "now is the time when everyone needs to be putting some real skin in the game and offering serious compromises.   ... Democrats have made it clear we are prepared to do that."

    If Patti Murray wants to put some skin in the game (5.00 / 3) (#4)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:50:07 AM EST
    I suggest she start by eliminating all presidential and Congressional pensions and health benefits. By all, I mean past, current and future benefits.

    Maybe someone in who is represented by Sen. Murray and others on the committee might suggest that be the place to start.


    Yes, maybe your Sweet Claire (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:55:22 AM EST
    will be a sponsor.  She says she lost about 50 pounds so that she has energy for her re-elction campaign.  Perhaps she can expend some of it to help Patti out.  

    That fcking Simpson is getting (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:07:16 AM EST
    his pension and has the nerve to talk about people sucking on the government teat when they expect to get benefits we paid for.

    Didn't realize until recently how little (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:15:22 AM EST
    time one is required to serve in Congress b/4 a vested pension is available.  5 yrs., I think.  

    They can start collecting their pension (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:22:45 AM EST
    at the age 0f 50. Not 65, 66, 67 or 69 but 50.

    For accuracy: (none / 0) (#25)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:46:12 AM EST
    A full pension is available to Members 62 years of age with 5 years of service; 50 years or older with 20 years of service; or 25 years of service at any age.

    A reduced pension is available depending upon which of several different age/service options is chosen.

    Just read this LAT opinion piece re (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:26:01 PM EST
    State of CA pensions/Gov. Brown's reform proposal:  link

    Then I looked to see who wrote it.  Not LAT editorial board but a taxpayer advocate.  


    True, but Simpson is Simpson. (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:02:56 PM EST
    Simpson has been a long-time enemy of social security and medicare. And, derisive of anyone who does not agree with him. For example, according to the Congressional Record, Simpson said in 1985: "I just happen to believe that ss and medicare are so out of whack they ought to be constantly subject to budgetary review...."  The question for me is why was Simpson appointed by Obama to the Cat Food Commission to study this issue? And, given the fact that the Cat Food Commission was such a failure, that according to the rules Obama set up, it could not even register an official vote of failure, why is Simpson and his cohort Bowles called as experts before the powerful super dupers?  And, of course, Simpson, during his Cat Food study, offered an update to his feelings of social security that was utter nonsense.

    Quoting from memory JFK's spot on (5.00 / 2) (#51)
    by brodie on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:24:44 PM EST
    remarks upon seeing Ike at a presser, ca 1962, coming out strongly against Kennedy's Medicare bill:  "There he goes getting into his govt provided car driven by a govt provided driver, off to Walter Reed to get his govt provided checkup."

    Some time ago (none / 0) (#109)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 11:13:41 PM EST
    when Simpson was still in the Senate he was interviewed about Congressional benefits.

    He screamed 'I worked my a$$ off for that pension.'

    One of the most disgusting hypocrites in American history.


    If Patty Murray wants everyone to have (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by scribe on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:57:19 AM EST
    some skin in the game, she should pony up, say, 95% of her millions.

    If she can't make it on the rest (plus her Senatorial bennies and the graft she looks forward to getting once out of the Senate), too f'g bad.

    Until she does, though, she cannot be taken seriously (by anyone outside the Very Serious People, of course).


    Twat or Twit? (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:53:52 AM EST

    Reminds me of our last family vacation when I saw Brooks on TV yapping about "Oh sure he'll get some heat from his base on SS and Medicare, but it's all good," and my mother-in-law listening to him carefully.  When I talked over the talking head, she got very mad.  She then told me how they had to raise the SS age, because we're all getting older, and Medicare too, we just have to do it.  I sighed and told her not to watch these shows anymore, to just read.  Then I gave her a kiss on the cheek and said she was a wonderful grandmother to my son.  Didn't really know what else to do.  Sigh.

    And another link to my short story about Disneyland, flashing boobs on Splash Mountain, basketball inside the Matterhorn, and the feral cats who roam the place at night.  Hope anyone who reads it (that means YOU! Ahem) enjoys it.  (LINK)


    "Insufferable twat"? (none / 0) (#20)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:37:20 AM EST
    No, no way.  Twit?  Yes.

    Whenever I see a man labeled with a (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:40:50 AM EST
    pejorative for a female body part, I assume it's intended to be a shot at his "manhood."

    But, I'm a woman, so what do I know?


    I hope with all my heart (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:50:55 AM EST
    that in his next life David Brooks is lucky enough to be born a woman.  And maybe he get a soul next time too.

    I doubt it would do any good re: David Brooks (none / 0) (#110)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 11:32:05 PM EST
    He reminds me all too much of the friends and acquaintances in my life (male and female) who came from well to do families and haven't the slightest bit of empathy or even intellectual curiosity.  Sociological twits.

    "Boob" doesn't work like that, though, (none / 0) (#99)
    by Peter G on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:40:41 PM EST
    does it, Anne? Anyway, when an attempt is made to degrade a man by attributing something womanish or feminine to him in a derogatory way, it usually manages to combine a misogynistic implication with homophobia all at once, it seems to me.

    As a kid, it was about (none / 0) (#101)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 09:07:15 PM EST
    learning to "be a man."  Boys were taught to be men.

    That seems rather tedious.  

    The idea with kids nowadays seems to be to help them grow into caring, responsible adults.....regardless of gender.


    then there is my mother (none / 0) (#28)
    by CST on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:52:01 AM EST
    her: "I'm really worried about 2012, if the republicans win, this economy is going to be a disaster, they will cut medicare and social security, and then what will happen?"

    me: "I'm really worried too.  I'm also really worried that they will do it anyway with the deficit comission whether Republicans win or not"

    her: "Obama can't do that, he's a Democrat, he just won't"

    me: " ....... "


    You've just expressed (none / 0) (#111)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 11:34:10 PM EST
    our absolute and total frustration, disgust and anger.

    Brooks was internet shallow (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by observed on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:56:55 AM EST
    before the internet---truly a pioneer.

    I don't read Brooks, but, I do recall a friend's (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:06:52 AM EST
    reply when I asked how the friend was doing.  He sd., I find myself more and more in agreement w/David Brooks.  Meant to figure out what he meant.  This explains it.

    I don't say this flippantly, but I honestly (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by observed on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:15:14 AM EST
    think he is an exemplar of Arendt's banality of evil.
    He is an morally empty monster, waiting for the right mass murderer to devote himself to.

    Read his 11/2003 column "A Burden too Heavy [ to put down?]" and see if you agree.
    He said that the major problem Americans faced in regards to supporting the Iraq war was that they wouldn't support the troops when they commit atrocities.


    I've seen him in a few interviews (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:38:08 AM EST
    He's like Spock only without emotions :)

    But he's got the logic?!?! hehe (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by observed on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:39:25 AM EST
    He's actually monumentally stupid. I have never seen any evidence of cogitation on his part.

    He reminds me a bit of (none / 0) (#23)
    by observed on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:40:39 AM EST
    Marilyn Vos Savant. She also is possessed of a great number of truly weird ideas, each of which presented as if they are the most sensible thing since sliced bread, and none of them supported by a shred of actual evidence.

    Recently on the Daily Show (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:07:28 PM EST
    Jon Stewart had up a recent cover of Parade, it had Rick Perry on it looking fetching.  Stewart referred to Parade as something in the newspaper that often gets mistaken for coupons :)

    Buwhahahahahaha (none / 0) (#33)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:17:55 PM EST
    Stop the presses, watching Ben Stein now and he says that OWS is childish and selfish.  If these people want something done they must work to get it done.  Sleeping in tents is not doing anything other than keeping honest people from having a day of work (where is that happening?)

    The funniest complaint... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:05:02 PM EST
    is all the supposed p*ssin' and sh*ttin' on the streets.  If ya listen to Faux News you'd think the gutters run yellow and brown downtown with hippie waste! lol

    And not for nuthin', for men (and hardcore ladies)the world is your urinal...everybody does it, even stockbrokers on all night benders.  Whaddya expect in a city with no adequate public restroom access?  Even the restrooms in parks get chain-locked come fall...come to my rec league football games on Sunday morning and dudes are pissin' on every other shrub or tree...as mother nature intended I might add.


    How do the trees and shrubs look? (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:29:13 PM EST
    Healthy... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:37:56 PM EST
    still mostly green, even after our first little dusting of snow.

    Healthier than most of the players anway...I worry for the future of the league...there is only one team of young kids startin' out...the rest of us are getting up there.  I pass for the "youth movement" on my squad and that ain't good.


    Oh no. Sounds like a classical music (none / 0) (#60)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:42:57 PM EST
    audience, only a couple generations younger.  

    Urine burned :) (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:14:53 PM EST
    I agree. He kind of gives voice to the (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:20:46 PM EST
    worst of the 'elite' who think they are smarter than anyone else, and really are not.

    Sort of like Ayn Rand (none / 0) (#112)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 11:39:02 PM EST
    who worshiped a serial killer.

    Has your friend's income level gone up? (none / 0) (#17)
    by observed on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:31:10 AM EST
    Hard to imagine someone suffering economically and agreeing with Brooks.

    I 've always suspected he is a trust fund (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:29:55 PM EST
    type of guy.  Although he does work as a musician and music critic.  

    David Brooks can just bite me. (5.00 / 4) (#12)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:08:52 AM EST
    Or maybe he's the one who needs to be bitten; I imagine he has a few soft spots, and with his nose so far up in the air, he'd never see it coming...

    Charlie Pierce has become a daily fix for me, because he so well expresses not just the obvious truths, but does so with wholly appropriate doses of anger and sarcasm that speak to what so many are feeling.

    Brooks really ought to consider using some of his hard-earned, liberal arts-educated money to buy himself a clue or two, but alas, that might mean having to remove his head from its deeply embedded position somewhere near the end of his digestive system.

    Millions without jobs, little but low-paying, no-future,  minimum-wage jobs where there are jobs, billions in college loan debt - much of which will not be helped one iota by Obama's acceleration of the new student loan repayment options - and Brooks thinks the solution is more people going to college and getting married.  

    Okay, then.

    I would truly love for someone like Brooks to conduct a little experiment: he should be, for however long it takes, a job-seeker, using his history-major degree, and do it without the benefit of all his connections or access to his personal safety net.  Let him do it with a clunker car he still owes money on, student loan debt.  Put - let's be generous - a thousand dollars in a bank account - preferably Bank of America, because they will be so helpful, kind and understanding when he inevitably bounces a check or two - and let him find a job, an apartment, put food on the table, and see how long he can survive.  Let's see if he can get health insurance he can afford, and if he can't, let's concoct a hypothetical medical problem he has no money to solve, and see how that affects him.

    Until then, he can just be one of the pontificating blowhard poster children for the elites, who is adding fuel to the Occupy movement with every condescending and dismissive word he writes or speaks; but, hey, we all have to find our bliss, right?

    And he can still just bite me.

    I really liked Pierce's dig about Brooks' (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:17:07 AM EST
    history degree from Univ. of Chicago.  

    Yep. I can't say anthing that Pierce does not say (none / 0) (#71)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:20:14 PM EST
    better. He does not miss a trick, and makes interesting connections.

    Forget the degree (none / 0) (#113)
    by cal1942 on Fri Nov 04, 2011 at 11:52:49 PM EST
    Let him be reborn with nothing, into a household with a single parent struggling to make ends meet, unable to accumulate any property or security.

    Let him attend run down, neglected K-12 schools surrounded entirely by others of similar circumstance.

    Let's see how he does from the starting line with real challenges.


    No poors in big cities? (5.00 / 5) (#63)
    by Addison on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:51:40 PM EST
    Something I think Pierce misses is an obvious flaw in the following Brooks paragraph (which Pierce quotes):

    If you live in these big cities, you see people similar to yourself, who may have gone to the same college, who are earning much more while benefiting from low tax rates, wielding disproportionate political power, gaining in prestige and contributing seemingly little to the social good. That is the experience of Blue Inequality.

    There are no poor people in big blue state cities? No folks without college degrees? Really? Brooks lives in enclaves surrounded by gentrification, I guess -- otherwise I don't see how he could make such an idiotic statement.

    You know things are bad - and change (5.00 / 2) (#75)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:39:35 PM EST
    may be brewing - when polls begin to ask - as the WaPo/ABC News poll did - whether the person being polled looks favorably or unfavorably on the idea of an independent candidate running for president against the Democratic and Republican party nominees...the result - a net 61% net would favor that - isn't shocking or surprising; that the question is even being asked is what stands out to me.

    Now, it will be interesting to see what happens next, what the reaction is from establishment politicians.

    thanks for pointing out site violators (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 03:28:42 PM EST
    When I see your comments pointing out "site violator" for spammers, I delete their comments and account, and the comments pointing them out.

    These spams are computer generated. That's how they do 15 at a time, including on closed and older posts. A few times a day I try to heck the new registrations which are listed on a single page and I can determine from the comments or country of origin if they are spam. I can then delete the account and all comments for that user with one click.

    Without going to a system where commenters have to type in a phrase to post a comment, I can't prevent them. I don't want to do that, so I prefer to delete them manually every day.

    I really appreciate commenters pointing them out as I don't read all the comment threads and would miss them on days I don't remember or have time to check the new registrations.

    There are spam plugins for wordpress and other systems, but TalkLeft is on Scoop, and installing such a program is more complicated and would mean I'd have to have our webmaster to do it and I'd rather not have to do that.

    Occupy Oakland, General Strike Pix (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 05:05:58 PM EST
    Excuse me, the first 10 pix... (none / 0) (#88)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 05:10:51 PM EST
    ...are from today in Oakland.

    No can see at work (none / 0) (#90)
    by sj on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 05:28:07 PM EST
    Apparently flickr is a considered a social networking site...

    Hmm (none / 0) (#91)
    by Dadler on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 05:55:54 PM EST
    That sucks.

    Nice pics, Dadler. (none / 0) (#98)
    by caseyOR on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:58:12 PM EST
    Those two signs, the one held by the woman and the other by the child, are both eye catching and true.

    Great pictures (none / 0) (#106)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 03, 2011 at 08:45:07 AM EST
    Thank you

    Brooks? (none / 0) (#3)
    by Edger on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 10:46:45 AM EST
    Lewis Carroll reincarnate?

    A horrific disparaging of twats (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:34:01 AM EST

    Is that the correct multiplicative? (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by observed on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:36:49 AM EST
    A "disparagement of twats?"?
    How about a "soliloquy of self-regarding solipsists"?

    Changing the subject---or maybe not---there is a medical center which might be of use to the Republican contenders. Its name in English is Republican Diagnostic Center".


    Twats are much more important to the (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:46:48 AM EST
    sustainment of any serious life lived, and the future of all serious life living to come than David Brooks on all David Brooks levels can or ever will be.

    Good (none / 0) (#31)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:13:43 PM EST

    You were able to type that (5.00 / 6) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:20:00 PM EST
    and hit enter because of a twat.

    It is self-defeating (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 09:10:40 PM EST
    to be anti-twat.

    Cain calls off press conference (none / 0) (#32)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:16:54 PM EST
    Trying to keep his head down as he refuses to answer questions about the sexual harassment allegations against him.  Scuffel with reporters, requests to waive the nondisclosure agreements, one victim wants to speak, and even Haley Barbour saying "you ought to go on and get the facts out".

    When are they going to start asking (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:27:15 PM EST
    Cain about the campaign finance irregularities?

    Oh, wait - I keep forgetting that the media only gloms onto the fun, titillating issues, so, sexual harassment first, then, what does Cain think about the Kardashian/Humphries divorce (what a great opportunity that would be to talk about those stellar Republican family values!)?


    Or maybe I really mean...barf.


    Looks like Cain ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:25:16 PM EST
    ... is trying to diffuse the campaign finance issues by asking an "outside" lawyer to look at the allegations.



    Seems Cain thinks that China (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:11:10 PM EST
    might become a military threat because of its attempts to develop nuclear weapons.

    To quote Anne:

    We are so screwed.

    Heard that this morning (none / 0) (#72)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:21:41 PM EST
    Frankly, I'm much more concerned about these kinds of "gaffs" than the sexual harassment issues, but I would be surprised if it got as much press.  Haven't heard his attempt to explain/spin it yet, but it's more than a little depressing that a candidate for major office is lacking in such basic knowledge.

    What I'm pretty sure of is that, (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:49:38 PM EST
    if that nonsense had come out of the mouth of a Michele Bachmann or a Sarah Palin, we wouldn't be able to hear ourselves think over the catcalls and jeers - but Cain reveals himself to be glaringly deficient on this subject, and...[crickets].

    What's the over/under on how long he hangs in?  A week?  Until after the first primary?

    And people wonder why people are so discouraged about the future...jesus.


    I loved a headline I saw at TPM (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:23:42 PM EST
    comparing the Cain campaign to the political version of "The Producers". I think that ad with the smoking chief of staff and slow smile must be the equivalent of the "Springtime for Hitler" number.

    Have you seen Borowitz report? (none / 0) (#77)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 03:13:13 PM EST
    Mr. Cain goes to Washington. (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:32:01 PM EST
    Apparently (none / 0) (#79)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 03:26:54 PM EST
    A 3rd accuser comes forward.  She never filed a complaint, but Cain allegedly confessed to her how attractive he found her and invited her back to his apartment.

    Good; no agreement for a payoff (none / 0) (#84)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 04:19:25 PM EST
    is silencing her.  I suspect that there will be more, based upon his refusal to recognize even now that there was a problem.

    Now a GOP pollster ... (none / 0) (#100)
    by Yman on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 08:55:31 PM EST
    ... is talking about an incident in a Crystal City restaurant in the late 90's, several witnesses, but no names or details.

    The House Busy Solving What Ails Us (none / 0) (#37)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:43:19 PM EST
    The House on Tuesday passed a non-binding resolution reaffirming "In God We Trust" as the national motto.

    What a total waste of time.

    And Cain...

    What I find so despicable is the woman/women had to sign some sort of non-disclosure statement. Yet Cain can say whatever he wants.  They could let her/them out of that part if the contract to get this out in the open, but they won't.  Why ?

    But what I find truly funny is the republican new found love of lying.  Back in the day, like 6 months ago, the truth in Weiner's non-sense was something they just could not get past.  It was akin to treason.  Now days, not so much, basically they are defending the obvious lies he's told.  From 'Hell No !!' to 'I was misunderstood' in like 6 hours.

    I wasn't cool with it for Reagan, Clinton, though impeachment was a bit much, not cool with it for Wiener and not cool with it for Cain.  Basically, if you are a politician and there is some sort of news worthy scandal and you get caught in an important lie, that should be it.  Party affiliation should be set aside and the liar dealt with like adults deal with real issues.

    And then there's the Limbaugh/Ingram getting behind the black man, words can't even describe how much that amuses me.  When they do that, there's not a doubt in my mind of how deep their corruption has gone.

    I almost want Cain to win, just to watch these clowns step all of their own words for 4 years. No more racist emails or innuendos or the whole gamut of garbage from that side of the field.

    Any of the resident republicans want to explain why lying democrats are demons and lying republicans are worthy of defense.

    Probably (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:50:00 PM EST
    Because, my guess is, the Restaurant Association signed the agreement with the women, and Cain did not. Therefore, he would not be bound by a gag order.

    The nondisclosure agreement (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by brodie on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:11:26 PM EST
    likely applied to Cain as he was prez of that org.  And I havent heard Herm offer any statement that says he alone is free to comment about the women and events.

    What happened is that Cain may have violated the gag order terms in some of his recent media remarks, though this isn't entirely clear cut.  Thus the letter from the atty of one of the women asking the Restaurant Assn for permission to be formally released from the agreement.  That's my reading of it anyway.


    How could the accused (none / 0) (#103)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 09:13:05 PM EST
    not sign or know of such a settlement....

    That seems very odd....


    Harry's Law (none / 0) (#104)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 11:05:50 PM EST
    Cool show.

     I like the way the prosecutor is portrayed!

    David Kelley strikes again....


    You swashbuckler you! (none / 0) (#41)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:51:06 PM EST
    Fear the wrath of God House... (none / 0) (#56)
    by kdog on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:34:54 PM EST
    he/she/it ain't gonna like that it is "non-binding"...that sounds an awful lot like blasphemy.

    But what do I know, I thought we had a national motto already settled and binding..."f*ck you pay me".


    Ubi est mea? (none / 0) (#62)
    by KeysDan on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:50:49 PM EST
    Where's Mine?  The Windy City motto, and it should go national.

    Anybody (none / 0) (#59)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:39:54 PM EST
    who doubted what I have said about Cain being a joke now believe me? Cain definitely has a talent for getting conservatives to hand over their hard earned money but not much else.

    Pizza? (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:53:37 PM EST
    No Offense (none / 0) (#70)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:18:20 PM EST
    But calling out any of the republican candidates, including the last bunch, jokes, isn't exactly the revelation of the century.  I would even add Obama in the bunch when you look at the sad state of affairs we are in and what he is proposing and the odds of him staying in place.

    The Onion could post the debates and it would be so damn funny, but it's not because these people are actual candidates, not extremely funny satires of themselves which is what they would appear to be.


    Lindsay Lohan (none / 0) (#42)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:51:08 PM EST
    OWS Finacial Woes (none / 0) (#43)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 12:58:56 PM EST
    Not with the inflows of donations, nearly a half million bucks.  

    Where do they put it, a bank ?

    How to handle CC companies withholding $75k in donation because they expect a lot of 'disputes' ?


    The AP is reporting (none / 0) (#46)
    by Makarov on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:07:42 PM EST
    Viktor Bout has been convicted of "trying to sell heavy weapons to Colombian terror group"

    Robert Caro to publish (none / 0) (#48)
    by brodie on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:19:02 PM EST
    long-awaited fourth volume on LBJ in May of 2012.  To cover the years 1958-1963, thus all the miserable time he spent as VP.

    A final fifth volume will appear 2-3 years after that.

    No, I don't expect Caro to have any earthshaking or MSM disapproved info about LBJ and Dallas.  

    Will you read Stephen King's (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:35:06 PM EST
    latest novel?  NPR reviewer was quite taken with it.

    I will (none / 0) (#61)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 01:49:12 PM EST
    After I read Mike Mayo.

    I usually read non-fiction (none / 0) (#74)
    by brodie on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:35:02 PM EST
    with the occasional classic thrown in.  Not a fan of the genre King usually writes in.

    Was there something he's written that's related to the post on Caro?


    Protaganist of latest novel (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 03:15:02 PM EST
    does a time machine thing to knock off Lee Harvey Oswald b/4 Oswald can assassinate JFK.  

    Ah, looks like King has a (none / 0) (#92)
    by brodie on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:02:20 PM EST
    double fantasy going on -- the time machine and the nonsense about Oswald doing the shooting.  No wonder the NPR person gave it a glowing review.

    Reviewer was George Mason Univ. (none / 0) (#94)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:22:27 PM EST

    How can a castor bean test (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:09:35 PM EST
    positive for ricin?  It is ricin :)  If you grind it up there's ricin in there :)

    We always keep castor oil (none / 0) (#93)
    by brodie on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:17:59 PM EST
    around the house.  Makes for excellent removal of skin irritations and helps hasten healing following minor surgery or burns.  Also use in heated pack over the abdomen for various problems in the middle third.

    Recommended for home medicine chest or quality survival kit.


    As I recall, my mom used to make (none / 0) (#95)
    by oculus on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 06:23:30 PM EST
    us drink castor oil.  Not sure for what purpose.  Tasted really bad.  Or perhaps I'm thinking of cod liver oil.  

    Grandma (5.00 / 1) (#97)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:51:11 PM EST
    Always liked to prescribe it to um, keep us "regular".  She was very concerned about that kind of stuff. I considered it child abuse.  :)

    What was the past fascination with (none / 0) (#105)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Nov 03, 2011 at 08:37:52 AM EST
    childhood regularity?  Nobody in my house was overly concerned about it, but noticed that at some of my friends houses your regularity seemed to be capable of ruining your world :)  It was always the adults who had such fragile lives.

    It was a daily question (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by jbindc on Thu Nov 03, 2011 at 08:53:52 AM EST
    "Did you have a BM today?"

    Hahahahaha! (none / 0) (#108)
    by Zorba on Thu Nov 03, 2011 at 09:56:01 AM EST
    My grandmother and her sisters would call each other daily, just to talk.  And after the usual gossip, what are you making for dinner, etc chit-chat, they would invariably ask that question.  

    What is Up With the Ad for a Lawyer (none / 0) (#67)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 02:11:02 PM EST
    Is that person a mummy ?

    I get the hammer/bandaged finger, but the rest of the costume looks like an Alaskan ninja.  And damn, how much gauze does one finger need.

    It makes me laugh every time I see it.

    Texas Judge Caught on Video... (none / 0) (#81)
    by ScottW714 on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 03:32:39 PM EST
     ...abusing his ataxic cerebral palsy daughter for downloading music and games.

    I'll defend my state to the end, but this guy is a real scum bag, and makes me ashamed of some of my fellow residents.

    Caution, this video is rough, I wish I would not have watched it.  Video

    Did I mention this judge oversaw child abuse cases.

    General Sherman (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by cal1942 on Sat Nov 05, 2011 at 12:26:36 AM EST
    After serving as military governor of Texas during reconstruction said:

    "If I owned Texas and Hell I'd live in Hell and rent out Texas."


    states (none / 0) (#82)
    by jondee on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 04:03:43 PM EST
    are often states of mind, and often very limited ones at that.

    What we need is a little less tribal narcissism, and a little more championing decency, intelligence, and genuine creativity whenever and wherever we find 'em.


    On behalf of Texans, a lot of them (none / 0) (#83)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 04:18:06 PM EST
    are raising h*ll about this guy.

    The video is horrific.


    Occupy DC (none / 0) (#85)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 04:42:46 PM EST
    Just watched the end of a march by some of the Occupy DC folks.  There were about 100 or so of them, marching down 15th St, back to their home base of McPherson Square.  They were banging drums, carrying signs, and chanting (although I am too far up to hear what they are saying).    The Uniformed Division of the Secret Service has the intersection blocked off for them to march safely, but boy, oh boy, all the people trying to leave work right now are not happy. Horns are a blarin' (although it's just a matter of about 10 minutes - people are so impatient).

    Can't seem to find any news as to where they marched....

    Maybe they were honking in support? (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 05:17:04 PM EST
    I'd like to think it's at least possible that some of those horns were making noise in solidarity.

    Although, you're right that people are just so impatient; my favorite honkers are those that do it even when it's obvious the car they're honking at is just as stuck as they are.


    It's a competitive sport in DC (none / 0) (#96)
    by jbindc on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 07:49:22 PM EST
    It's not uncommon for some to lay on the horn for 30 seconds or more around here.

    Our next war? (none / 0) (#86)
    by Towanda on Wed Nov 02, 2011 at 04:52:17 PM EST
    The coalition of the willing is looking for another war, says the Guardian.

    And, of course, the surest way to get re-elected on this side of the pond is to be a wartime president.