NBAPA Disclaims, Files Antitrust Suit Against NBA

Question presented - Is a professional sports league a single entity under Section 1 of the Sherman Act?

For more on the single entity question, see American Needle v. NFL. See also this post.

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    The end? (none / 0) (#1)
    by Addison on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:19:58 PM EST
    So this effectively ends 2011-12 NBA season (at least), right? A shame for the fans. I hope some network has snapped up Turkish or Italian league broadcast rights. There's always NCAA basketball, though.

    Why did the NBA players' assoc. wait til (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:23:00 PM EST
    now to "disclaim"?  

    Holding out hope... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:30:03 PM EST
    that the owners would come to their senses and realize who fans pay big money to see, and who the networks pay big money to broadcast?

    Nobody buys season tickets for the Knicks because of Jimmy Dolan, in fact they do in spite of Jimmy Dolan.


    it's more than what they were bargaining over anyway.
    Not sure if it was a good idea or not.
    I just wish they would do something about he horrible refereeing. I used to be a pretty hard core fan, but the ref's have almost ruined it for me.

    Players stood to lose a lot (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:46:30 PM EST
    over time and the teams would save a lot.

    This is bargaining.

    Folks need to understand that people are looking after their interests.


    It always comes down (none / 0) (#15)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:34:16 PM EST
    To who has the bigger bank account.

    The owners, due to their out-of-control egos, and disinterest in managing their teams intelligently, will make the players pay for their own lack of will power.

    The players have the issues, but the owners have the money.

    The owners will win...they always do.


    Players can win in court (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:37:01 PM EST
    And, (none / 0) (#22)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 03:04:40 PM EST
    I really hope they do.

    Nail on the head... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:53:14 PM EST
    owners want concessions from players to protect themselves from their own stupidity and mismanagement of their own teams.

    thanks, (none / 0) (#23)
    by NYShooter on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 03:05:41 PM EST
    and you said it better than me....and with a lot fewer words!

    It's a tough sport... (none / 0) (#10)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:48:49 PM EST
    to officiate, that being said NBA refs are pretty lousy, I hear ya.  Too many ticky-tack foul calls, they need to let them bang and play like they did in the 90's before the rule changes to increase scoring.

    Officiating is problem in all sports (none / 0) (#12)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:14:27 PM EST
    basketball fouls, NFL penalties, balls & strikes in baseball (recall the loss of a pitcher's perfect game by horrendous safe call at first base), NHL penalties.

    You can view the human errors in sports officiating as ruinous of the games if you like, healthier in my view to view it as part of the entertainment, something else for fans to argue about. There's no game without it.


    Mistakes happen in all sports... (none / 0) (#14)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:32:46 PM EST
    more mistakes seem to happen in the NBA is all, or maybe I'm just a fan of street ball...no blood no foul:)

    Pass interference (none / 0) (#17)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:45:25 PM EST
    enough said

    I hear ya... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:58:34 PM EST
    but an NBA game feels like an NFL game with 20 bullsh*t pass interference calls a game.

    I think NFL refs do a pretty good job for part-timers.  NBA refs are full time.


    In the NBA if you look at a ref for making a call or say something to another player, it's a tech. There's no fun left anymore. It actually reminds me of "professional" wrestling sometimes.

    How could I forget... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 03:36:49 PM EST
    the "funny look" technical foul...another managerial gem from David Stern.



    I suppose you loved seeing ... (none / 0) (#29)
    by cymro on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 02:21:05 AM EST
     ... Charles Smith and Anthony Mason hack everyone who dared to try to take the ball anywhere near the hoop. Prsonally, I hated it, and was delighted when they started cleaning up the game.

    Basketball is not supposed to be a full contact sport, and allowing players to get away with so many fouls just takes all the skill out of the game, just like it did in soccer before they started enforcing the rules properly.

    Most basketball fans I know are glad we never have to watch the 1990's Knicks, or their like, again.


    I'm in the minority then... (none / 0) (#30)
    by kdog on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 09:29:37 AM EST
    I loved those 88-84 Knick victories circa 1994...a hard-nosed think twice before driving the lane brand of basketball, similar too the brand of ball played in schoolyards across NYC.

    But even back then MJ was getting the superstar phantom foul calls, when he wasn't off playing baseball.


    It was a mistake imo (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:33:54 PM EST
    Billy Hunter is no DeMaurice Smith.

    There's always Cricket. (none / 0) (#3)
    by Mr Natural on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:27:47 PM EST

    Or badminton (none / 0) (#20)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:59:05 PM EST
    Or croquet.   ;-)

    Badminton (5.00 / 0) (#26)
    by jbindc on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 05:27:18 PM EST
    Is freakin' awesome!  One of my favorite events tonwatch in the Olympics.  Fastest raquet sport in the world with the shuttlecock traveling at speeds over 200 mph!

    (yes, I'm a nerd)


    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Zorba on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 06:26:46 PM EST
    I like to watch table tennis, as well.

    Assuming the leagues are a single entity (none / 0) (#6)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:40:11 PM EST
    under Section I, does that not then expose the league (all pro sports leagues) to any Section II liability, e.g., maintenance of monopoly?

    Ir's not a single entity (none / 0) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 01:45:29 PM EST
    certainly not with regard to players.

    If they wanted a single entity, the league would negotiate the player contracts. It does not.

    To answer your question, Section 2 claims are more difficult, mostly on market definition imo.


    I understood the NBA as arguing that (none / 0) (#11)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:08:41 PM EST
    it is a single entity, incorrect?

    I assume they will (none / 0) (#13)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 02:32:09 PM EST
    Just giving my view of the argument.

    NFL case is still pending? (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Mon Nov 14, 2011 at 03:00:57 PM EST

    No. SCOTUS: NFL is not (none / 0) (#28)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 15, 2011 at 12:00:10 AM EST
     a "single entity."