House Comm. to Subpoena Holder Over "Fast and Furious"

Republican Rep. Darrell Issa, chair of the House Oversight Committee, said today the committee will subpoena Eric Holder over the ATF's Fast and Furious program.

This is typical Republican grandstanding. If we're going to complain about Holder, let's discuss the targeting of medical marijuana businesses or the policy on targeted killings of U.S. citizens, not guns that ended up in Mexico.

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    Seriously? (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by jarober on Sun Oct 09, 2011 at 07:02:47 PM EST
    Because dead Mexicans - not to mention US border patrol agents - don't count?

    As much as I'd like to see the war on drugs end, this thing is pretty bad, and needs to be investigated

    Not to defend Issa (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 07:27:30 AM EST
    but if that were the standard Congress could never investigate anyone.

    mymy (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by mymy on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 08:57:40 AM EST
     I have gotten a sick feeling the more I have learned about  Fast and Furious. Whoever thought it was a good idea to let guns"walk" to Mexico and get in the hands of Mexican drug cartels needs to be exposed.

    Wrong (5.00 / 3) (#6)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 09:33:56 AM EST
    They either gave, or didn't stop the guns that ended up killing American agents.  Sorry but this is a big deal.

    It's not like we got a crack team of detectives in Congress, someone has to do it, I'll take Issa if the choice is him or no one.

    That being said, Holder ?  He had as much to do with it as Issa.

    And unlike the MM fiasco, this program is known for a fact to have lead to many deaths, and an almost guarantee of more to come.  They people who thought this was a good idea, at the very least should lose their jobs, and possibly do some time in Mexico.

    Really? (none / 0) (#8)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 10:40:55 AM EST
    That being said, Holder ?  He had as much to do with it as Issa

    Isn't the question, what did Holder, and by extension the President, know and when did they know it?


    It Was Pretty Local w/ a couple ATF Agents (none / 0) (#9)
    by ScottW714 on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 10:59:20 AM EST
    Part of the problem is real authority was never granted.  There is no reason to go after Holder unless someone implicated him, that's how investigations work.

    They can't even connect the higher ups in the ATF, so going after Holder, as the post indicates, is republican grandstanding, IOW trying to connect the administration by media, not facts.


    Same as Nixon (none / 0) (#10)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 11:35:29 AM EST
    It wasn't what Nixon did but the cover up.

    The issue now is that Holder appears to have lied to Congress, possibly to protect Obama.

    I just think they should spend as much time and energy investigating this as they did over the claims of a baseball player.


    Lets understand the scope of this (none / 0) (#12)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 03:31:34 PM EST

    Thousands of guns were involved.  

    Hundreds of them have been recovered at various crime scenes in this country and in Mexico.  

    The operation proceeded over the objections of local agents.  

    ATF, DOJ, and ATF personnel were reportedly involved.

    No legitimate law enforcement purpose has been put forward to explain why guns were repeatedly allowed to be purchased by known straw buyers and allowed to leave surveillance and cross into Mexico.



    WoW WoW WoW (none / 0) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Tue Oct 11, 2011 at 08:45:08 AM EST
    Must have hit a nerve, got the two Limbaugh protege's all hot and bothered.  Even got Jim bashing a republican president without even knowing it.

    What's wrong boys, the pharmacy run out of anti-psychotics today ?


    "Police & Thieves... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by kdog on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 10:00:56 AM EST
    in the street, fighting the nations with their guns and ammunition."

    Fast & Furious is a seriously deadly f*ck-up, and the ATF/DOJ should be held accountable.

    Fast & furious needs to be looked into as well (none / 0) (#3)
    by BobTinKY on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 07:25:38 AM EST
    It stinks to high heaven.

    targeted killings of U.S. citizens (none / 0) (#11)
    by Abdul Abulbul Amir on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 01:22:17 PM EST

    US citizens that take up arms against the country have always, as far as I can tell, been subject to targered killing.  That is what every Union sniper did in the Civil war.  The only difference is more modern technology.


    It was pretty local (none / 0) (#13)
    by mymy on Mon Oct 10, 2011 at 04:29:00 PM EST
    If so why didn't the ATF or DOJ find those people and fire them rather than threaten the ATF agents and gunshop owner that came forward