Friday Night Open Thread

Our earlier open thread is filling up. What else is in the news? More federal medical marijuana raids in Colorado. On a lighter note, Colorado's state champion goat was disqualified for failing a drug test.

Anyone else getting error messages trying to upgrade a PC to Apple's iOS5? Apparently, I'm not alone.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Hmm . . . (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:16:23 PM EST
    So I got my ballot in the mail today and it seems there's a city measure to tax medical mj. Also got a nice glossy saying why to vote yes. So, if this passes, and then the Feds turn around and bust our tax revenue source, will they pay us back?  :)

    Hey, I just saw that the (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by observed on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:18:38 PM EST
    world cycling championships will be held in Astana. That will be just up the street from me.
    If I were a cyclying fan, I would be real excited.

    no more Occupy Iowa arrests tonight (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by desmoinesdem on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:55:23 PM EST
    The mayor of Des Moines came to Friday evening's Occupy Iowa GA and offered them permission to camp/protest around the clock in a city park not far from the state capitol. After some debate, the protesters agreed to move a few blocks away rather than risk arrest by state troopers for breaking curfew on capitol grounds. State officials had granted Occupy Iowa a permit to protest from October 11 through 11 pm on October 14 and refused to extend that permit.

    Can't imagine (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by the capstan on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 10:31:39 PM EST
    that any female would pretend to be a lesbian; there is still too much hatred toward gays and lesbians for that to be fun.  As to getting a kick out of being 'persecuted,' for some people any attention is welcome.

    BTW, in my over-long life, I have decided that the ones who spew hate are probably the ones most likely to be closet dwellers.

    ps--women with odd-looking hair are sometimes cancer victims who have had radiation.  should I confess I did not follow the links?

    She has a typical short haircut (none / 0) (#11)
    by nycstray on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 10:41:25 PM EST
    that many older women have. (mine's about the same length :P ) Nor was she spewing hate. The couple that she didn't give a license to, said that she wasn't issuing them to any couples.

    My Adobe flash player is troubled again (none / 0) (#14)
    by shoephone on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 11:25:23 PM EST
    so I can't see the video.

    But, at the risk of getting hit with shrapnel, I gotta say:

    I really hate uptight political correctness.


    I wasn't the one (none / 0) (#20)
    by the capstan on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 08:12:32 AM EST
    poking fun at her, but I sure know about the haters.  I finally followed the link and saw the haircut.  Wish I had enough hair to do that!

    You've managed to offend a lot of people, (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Mr Natural on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 10:37:46 PM EST
    including me, whose wife wears her hair a lot like that.  Perhaps you don't get out much, or live in an isolated valley where women still wear their hair like the actresses in old Russ Meyer films?

    Really (5.00 / 0) (#16)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 12:46:54 AM EST
    And just in general, jokey condescending stuff about people's appearances turns me way off if they're just ordinary people and not big celebrities.

    iOS on a PC? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by markw on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 11:18:34 PM EST
    Is that an inside joke? :-)

    no, ITunes is on (none / 0) (#17)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 01:29:35 AM EST
    PC's as well as Macs. When I opened iTunes, and plugged in my iPhone, it told me to upgrade to iOS5. I followed the instructions and got error messages. As apparently have lots of other people.

    Perhaps the update message was just for Mac users (none / 0) (#22)
    by DFLer on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 09:21:59 AM EST
    iPhone=Mac user (none / 0) (#25)
    by Rojas on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 10:20:40 AM EST
    it's itunes 10.5 (none / 0) (#43)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 02:30:29 AM EST
    and you need to upgrade to it to upgrade your iphone, ipod and ipad to iOS5. Which I've done and now my computer and my iphone are all messed up. I've wasted a whole day on this and I can't the libraries to match or my iphone to sync. I'm leaving my iPad and iPod as is and not taking the chance on losing my whole music library (which I've downloaded to an external hard drive but I'm not convinced it worked right either.

    Music for the revolution from Occupy (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by caseyOR on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 10:07:55 PM EST
    Cleveland. As the man says in this video "Cleveland is a polka town." So click this link to Corrente and watch and listen as Occupy Cleveland tell sit like it is, musically speaking.

    There is a pithy Emma Goldman quote about dancing and the revolution that I cannot call to mind at this moment. Nonetheless, I remember enough to know that it is relevant to the Occupy movement, and we would all be well-served by living it.

    Is the mighty Cleveland Orch. (none / 0) (#42)
    by oculus on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 12:43:47 AM EST
    out of sync w/mainstream Cleveland?

    Had a good turnout at Occupy Orlando (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by ruffian on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 02:34:57 PM EST
    yesterday.  With my usual impeccable timing (hey, Occupy Dog Park gives ground to no one)  I managed to be about half an hour behind the marching, but the crowd at the park at the end seemed pretty big. The newspaper said hundreds, but I think it was close to a thousand, if not more. My friend told me 3 thousand were there at the peak of it, which I missed.

    Good sign: 'the 99% have to budget because we don't have a tea party credit card' . Also a couple of adorable kids with "I want a decent job when I grow up' t-shirts.

    Was glad to see broad demographical participation too - young, old, soccer moms, working stiffs, all races. This cannot be written off.

    I so want to go to (5.00 / 0) (#48)
    by sj on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 02:44:39 PM EST
    Occupy Dog Park.  I'll make her a T-shirt and everything.

    Had a party this morning (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ruffian on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 03:33:42 PM EST
    with homemade doggie cupcakes for my older guy's 10th birthday. I made him wear a little crown.

    We are easily entertained!


    Was briefly walking through Petco (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by oculus on Mon Oct 17, 2011 at 12:09:34 AM EST
    yesterday when, much to my surprise, I encountered the Martha Stewart pet apparel section.  

    Oh, no! (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by Zorba on Mon Oct 17, 2011 at 09:27:05 AM EST
    Well, I suppose the jokes write themselves here, but I'm not gonna go there.  Nope.  Wouldn't be prudent.   ;-)

    Is it just me, or (none / 0) (#1)
    by NY Progressive on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:06:20 PM EST
    did anyone else notice that the public employee who refused to marry a lesbian couple in NY looks a bit gay herself...?

    I mean, not to be too stereotypical, but c'mon, she seems to have recently acquired a great dyke haircut...

    Here she is in her long hair: linky

    And here she is with a bit of a different look: linky

    Well, whatever.
    Gotta love this quote from her, it has a very Christian/self victimization theme: "This may be the first time in my whole life that I've had to actually receive persecution."

    She actually seems quite pleased about the attention and her chance to pretend she's being picked on.

    Looks (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by the capstan on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:10:08 PM EST
    can deceive, Mr/Mrs. Non-progressive.

    Chill, Mr judgemental capstan (none / 0) (#5)
    by NY Progressive on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:19:01 PM EST
    You don't know how to recognize humor, hmm?

    Not when (5.00 / 0) (#6)
    by the capstan on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 09:24:16 PM EST
    it comes to gays!  One of them belongs to me.

    Oh, for God's sake. Even you must (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 14, 2011 at 10:45:34 PM EST
    her short hair style is much more attractive on her than the long, gray, unstyled version.  Neither hairstyle gives me a clue to her sexual orientation.

    Country people don't (5.00 / 0) (#15)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 12:44:59 AM EST
    follow the same fashion standards as you're used to.  Both of those are quite common looks where I live.

    Jesus (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 07:13:24 AM EST
    This comment is atrocious.

    "Looks a bit gay?" Seriously? (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Anne on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 08:39:55 AM EST
    I have no earthly idea why you would think that using the term "dyke haircut" would mark you as a "progressive" in any way, shape or form - or find a receptive audience here.

    But maybe you're one of those not-really-fooling-anyone types, who think appending the words, "just kidding" to their nasty and ignorant comments will render those comments acceptable.

    If that's who or what you are, I don't think this blog is going to be a good fit for you.

    But I suspect you are also someone who just likes to throw rhetorical bombs, and then sit back and enjoy the show; if so, I can add "terminally immature" to my description of you.

    Way to go.


    Did you really type out the words (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 07:15:02 AM EST
    Dyke haircut and hit enter?  Unbelievable, yet here it is right in front of my eyes.

    not any more (5.00 / 4) (#38)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 10:46:57 PM EST
    I just saw it and deleted the comment as offensive.

    Thank you Jeralyn (none / 0) (#44)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 08:50:40 AM EST
    LAT re miscommunication (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 09:52:18 AM EST
    may have contributed to "friendly fire" drone deaths.  link

    2 U.S. military personnel killed.

    Marine commander makes a mistake in Afgh., drone directed from Nevada, observers elsewhere in U.S.  

    NYPD Routinely Plants Drugs to Meet Arrest Quotas (none / 0) (#26)
    by Mr Natural on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 11:38:17 AM EST
    "It was something I was seeing a lot of, whether it was from supervisors or undercovers and even investigators," he said.  "It's almost like you have no emotion with it, that they attach the bodies to it, they're going to be out of jail tomorrow anyway; nothing is going to happen to them anyway."

    http://www.nydailynews.com/news/ny_crime/2011/10/13/2011-10-13_excop_we_fabricated_drug_raps_for_quo tas.html

    Do the female cancer (none / 0) (#27)
    by the capstan on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 11:40:39 AM EST
    patients with bald heads or wigs mess up the gaydar?  And your second paragraph presents an a description of Christians I never saw before.  I sort of thought that the 'true believers' are only too sure of their welcome at the pearly gates.  For them, being persecuted for Christianity definitely points to a glorious reward in heaven.  I don't think snarky remarks count as real persecution--but facile assumptions say something about the person who promulgates them.

    Agreed (on your latter comments) (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by NY Progressive on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 08:49:10 PM EST
    My personal experience with hair loss, and it's most common cause, have shown that both women and men exposed to those of us experiencing it tend to run for the hills rather than be reminded of their own mortality. Sexual orientation, social interactions, even politics seem to fade away when we're facing mortality and long term health issues. Death, and our fear of death, easily outweigh the fun, flirty connections we normally make with others. Nah, gaydar and the game we play falls by the wayside when faced with serious illness and death.

    This comment is right on all fronts (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 10:32:55 PM EST
    While I experienced so much support when dealing with chemo and the hair loss etc. that accompanies the treatment, I was surprised and then offended by the ignorance and downright cruelty of a few people.

    Seems chemo patients should have the decency to wear a wig or otherwise cover their bald heads even in the hottest weather as not to upset or offend their healthy sisters. This and other verbally stated rules on what is acceptable behavior or feelings communicated in a "how dare you" tone actually make the people who run for the hills kind in comparison.



    the comment you are replying to (none / 0) (#39)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 10:47:57 PM EST
    was deleted for being offensive

    Saw more video of Ari Douglas (none / 0) (#28)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 12:20:02 PM EST
    the legal observer/wannabe attorney who is claimed to have been hit and then (purposely?) run over/parked on top of by a nypd motorbike.

    Did not see any video of the beginning of the incident, will assume that claims that the motorbike hit him are valid, though the motorbike was going about 0.01 mph at the time.

    Regardless, after the alleged hit, while screaming and writhing on the ground like a 4 y/o who spilled his Coco Puffs, dude clearly chooses to push his feet up in front of the front tire of the motorbike where they remained essentially stationary in place in front of the front tire while the rest of the dude's body rolled side to side due to him throwing a wild conniption fit.

    Cop then rolls the bike forward a foot or two at and, maybe, possibly, the front tire clipped the toe(s) of dude's Chuck Taylors.

    During this  movement of the bike, dude continues his screaming and writhing and clearly now places his feet/ankles in front of the back tire of the bike, which clearly comes to a stop in contact with dude's ankle.

    After a few more seconds of screaming and writhing, dude kicks the bike over and if falls  on it's side. Luckily, despite the crowd gathered around the incident, the bike did hit and injure anyone as if fell.

    At which point several cops grab the dude and, with some physicality, arrest him.

    Dude took a dive. Flat out.

    edit (none / 0) (#29)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 03:15:58 PM EST
    the bike did not hit nor injure anyone as it fell.

    Oh no. MSU beat Michigan. (none / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 03:47:32 PM EST
    There goes BCS.  

    WT and F (none / 0) (#31)
    by dead dancer on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 07:13:41 PM EST
    If all the people arrested were (none / 0) (#32)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 08:02:49 PM EST
    customers, I would think that Citi has exposed themselves to a great deal of legal trouble not to mention the extremely negative PR that they are getting now.  

    DK has picked it up (none / 0) (#33)
    by dead dancer on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 08:17:34 PM EST
    Daily KOS
     Still not sure WHY account holders were arrested; what were they charged with?

    The video and the report is (none / 0) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 10:58:37 PM EST
    going all over the web. Think Progress, guerillawomen, democraticunderground and many, many more. Most with the headline of "Citibank customers arrested for closing their accounts." There are 7,870,000 results on google.

    Evidently protesters were outside the bank protesting while people with accounts at Citi went inside to close their accounts as part of the protest. Video recorders and live stream running while it was happening.

    Bad move on the part of Citi. They could have instructed their employees to ignore the protesters outside and process the bank closings inside in a normal business manner. Instead they chose to feed the CW that the big banks took our money and then continued to step on ordinary people.

    The PR ramifications are so bad I would fire the person who made the decision to arrest the Citi customers. Once again a really bad decision.  



    Citibank has issued a stupid statement (none / 0) (#41)
    by Towanda on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 11:25:02 PM EST
    that only compounds its idiocy.  In the first paragraph, Citi says the cops asked the bank to close; in the second paragraph, it says the cops decided to close it.  And on it goes in stupidity, as in saying that only one person asked to close an account.  Well, yeh, the rest were in line waiting to do so but were arrested.  And sure, no one was arrested for closing an account, since the corporate banks have yet to get that law passed.  They were arrested on the usual resort, ye olde disorderly conduct.  Etc.

    But no, nada, explanation of the arrest of the young woman who was arrested outside the bank after leaving it, who said she is (not was, not closing an account, but is) a Citi customer, but was pushed by cops into the bank to be arrested.

    Total PR disaster.  And if I could close a Citi account, I would, but I already dumped that card years ago owing to the bank's incompetence and inexcusably lousy customer service.  Even then.

    Citibank Public Affairs issued the following statement regarding today's incident: "A large amount of protesters entered our branch at 555 La Guardia Place around 2:00 PM today. They were very disruptive and refused to leave after being repeatedly asked, causing our staff to call 911. The Police asked the branch staff to close the branch until the protesters could be removed. Only one person asked to close an account and was accommodated."

    To be clear: no one was arrested for closing an account; we didn't lock people in our branch - the police decided to close the branch; and we didn't ask for anyone to be arrested -  that is a police decision.

    That is a lovely little goat (none / 0) (#35)
    by sj on Sat Oct 15, 2011 at 09:43:35 PM EST
    Full disclosure:  I love baby goats.  Saying I love kids -- which I do -- gives the wrong impression so I'm sticking with "baby goats".

    It is kind of sad for the human kids, though.

    Waking up to John McCain this morning (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 09:05:53 AM EST
    discussing how President Obama is failing Americans in dealing with Iran.  God that man!  I realize his brain is slowly drying up, it will happen to me too....but wow is he annoying as hell sometimes.

    Anyhow, he said that President Obama isn't honest with us about what Iran has done, and he is ignoring them and allowing them to get away with really really bad stuff I guess.  And he brought up that Iran was responsible for some of the IEDs that killed and wounded our soldiers in Iraq, and that is true.  But most of that happened on his party's watch and I saw him shopping in Baghdad boasting about how safe it all was as long as you had a security detail and a flack vest I suppose.  Anyhow, what did his party leadership do about Iran sending IED material to certain elements in Iraq?  Well we talked about it some and we attempted to monitor the situation and catch shipments.  We did not declare war.

    As far as dealing with Iran, hmmmmm....let me see.  Their two leading scientists/physicists somehow mysteriously blew up and their centrifuges got a nasty virus.  Who did these things?  I don't really know for certain but I have my suspicions.  I wonder what is sitting at Diego Garcia right now that can be quickly shipped to Israel at a moments notice?  I bet they are the biggest bunker busters we have ever pieced together.  And Saudi Arabia already gave Israel the go ahead to use their airspace to hit Iran's nuclear facilities if agreement is arrived to that the world must stop crazy Iran.  None of this is a secret, we just don't talk about it all day long constantly and do touchdown dances.  There is something called standoff, it requires a level of humility...being an arrogant a$$ only means that someone must save face and attack someone else.

    When is McCain going to start (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 16, 2011 at 10:15:15 AM EST
    beating the drum for legal action against the owners of Koch Industries?

    A Bloomberg Markets investigation has found that Koch Industries -- in addition to being involved in improper payments to win business in Africa, India and the Middle East -- has sold millions of dollars of petrochemical equipment to Iran, a country the U.S. identifies as a sponsor of global terrorism. link

    What was the U.S. policy against people providing material aid to countries who sponsor terrorism? Should Charles and David Koch be put on the list?