Lieberman To Arianna: "I don't think you've read it, sweetheart"

Sexist a**hole:

When [Arianna] Huffington said there's nothing in the Duelfer Report to bolster [Joe] Lieberman's conclusions, the senator replied, "I don't think you've read it, sweetheart."


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    Joe not only shows himself (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by shoephone on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:10:18 PM EST
    to be a sexist a$$, but an insecure one as well. He only wishes he had Arianna's IQ and media savvy. Alas, it is not to be.

    From now on, every time he opens his mouth to speak I will feel happy that he is leaving the senate.

    FYI, that story can't be found via link. (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Anne on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:17:28 PM EST
    I think I've had quite enough of these men who think it's okay to call women "sweetheart" or, um, "sweetie," especially in a professional setting.  How tempting must it have been to append "Well, bless your heart, Gramps" to whatever her response was...yeah, yeah, two wrongs and all that, but sometimes it gets hard to always have to be the one to take the high road, and besides, sometimes, giving back what you get in the most polite way possible can send a powerful message.

    And to think, this man could have eventually ended up being our president, if the Supremes had called the 2000 election for Gore; I wonder which brand of craven he would have given us, the conservative, the moderate or the liberal?

    Ooh, I need to go chew a couple of Tums now.  Thanks...

    [as an aside, BTD, if you're reading this, can you please fix the transposition in the title of Jeralyn's "Mexican" post?  It's been driving me crazy all day!]

    Sorry link fixed (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:22:47 PM EST
    I'll see if I can find the title you mentioned.

    So, we had to wait another decade (none / 0) (#63)
    by Towanda on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 11:21:41 PM EST
    for a president who calls women "sweetie."

    This is not progress over time.


    Gail Collins, NYT, op-ed on (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:33:39 PM EST
    a Goodbye to Guy Named Joe

    One of her kinder quotes:

    "He's the kind of guy who, when you see him in line at the supermarket, you go and get in a different line so you won't have to make conversation," a friend from Connecticut protested, when Al Gore announced that he had chosen Lieberman to be his running mate.

    Many of his Dem colleagues in Congress (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by shoephone on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:01:27 PM EST
    feel exactly the same way.

    I attended the SOTU in '07 (right after Holy Joe won re-election as the Independent/"Lieberman for CT" candidate). The most lasting impression of the entire evening was in the beginning, after the senators and reps first filed in to take their seats: The Dems were backslapping and hugging and kissing each other, with big smiles on their faces (they had just won back control of the Senate). But no one -- NOT ONE DEMOCRAT -- was hugging, backslapping, or even coming over to shake hands with Holy Joe. They were aggressively ignoring him. And there he stood, in the middle of the pack, all by his lonesome, like the shunned seventh-grader at lunchtime, desperately looking for a friend.



    I saw him and his wife at a (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:03:32 PM EST
    supermarket not too long ago and he really gave me the creeps and that was before I processed who he was.  I was struck by how small both he and his wife are.  The quotation you posted just reminded me of that non-event.  Although, it is was sort of funny because I had this strong urge to make sure that I stayed far away from them as possible because they were just so creepy.  I really didn't want to end up in line with them at all either - lol.

    His wife too? (none / 0) (#37)
    by star on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:27:28 PM EST
    Creepy that is? Do you know anything about her other than being Lieberman's wife?

    All I know about her is that (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 06:00:44 PM EST
    she's a lobbyist.

    I am a city kid and female.  I move through the world assessing people around me in public places - for me it is a totally unconscious process where I am kind of looking at and reading people that I am around to assess threat levels - and to be clear, I am not going around "afraid" per se - but when you grow up in cities and live in them most of your life, you practice this unconscious assessment of what's going on around you and who is around you.  People who walk directly behind me out of my field of peripheral vision if I glance backwards always raise a red flag for me, for instance.  Usually, they are just sheeple types, but not always.

    But like a lot of people who have grown up in and lived in cities most of their lives, I don't really notice people unless they are outstanding in some way - interesting, really nice or creepy...

    Anyhow, without registering who they were, my first instinct in seeing them was that they were bad news - creepy.  Then, after I realized who they were and given how paranoid Lieberman's world view is, that processed in my mind as a good reason to avoid them.  He's the kind of guy I could envision claiming that he felt threatened when there was no real threat - hey, and he did that very thing on TeeVee today - still claiming that Saddam had "WMD"!

    But, yeah, she too seemed creepy.  They seemed like a creepy team.  All of this was gut reaction on my part.  But that gut reaction has been very helpful to me over the course of my life and so I respect it when it happens.

    And you know who I ran into in late 2006 at the airport who registered as detached, cold and aloof?  Obama. lol


    She evidently has a strong stomach :-) (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 06:15:58 PM EST
    I remember (5.00 / 3) (#45)
    by lentinel on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 06:06:22 PM EST
    blurting out loud, "he just lost the election" when I heard that Gore was choosing Lieberman, whose only qualification was that he had spoken out against Clinton.

    I always liked (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by brodie on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 07:40:26 PM EST
    Clinton press sec'y Joe Lockhardt's immediate and frank reaction when, walking into the Oval as the news broke where Bill and Hillary were present:

    Bill:  What do you think about it, Joe?

    Joe Lockhardt:  I think it's Al Gore's way of saying "[Eff] you, Mr President."

    Bill:  Really?

    Hillary:  I agree.


    That was my feeling at the time... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 08:46:06 PM EST
    an interesting calculation about character coming from Al Gore at that time.

    guilty pleasure (none / 0) (#27)
    by sj on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:43:11 PM EST
    I so much enjoyed that op-ed.

    Gail sure took him to task in (none / 0) (#48)
    by KeysDan on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 06:51:16 PM EST
    the way only she can do.  I would have added his breath-taking concession to Republicans, during the height of the 2000 Florida recount, that disputed overseas military ballots must  be counted, ignoring the rule on postmarks.  Of course, in another dispute, he chose to run both as senator and vice president, so he did have a back-up job and, he probably thought, a nice springboard for the 2004 presidential nomination.

    I'll be honest with you, (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by brodie on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 08:00:23 PM EST
    a lot about that 2000 election still sticks in my craw, and one of the sticking points was the selection of Holy Joe.

    Apparently (Shrum's memoir) Al Gore was gung-ho from the outset about making some "out of the box" pick, and after the GOP convention when he fell well behind in the ever-shifting polls, he got kinda panicky and wanted to throw the long ball with his selection.  It had to be different, given the dire negative numbers in the polls.

    Here's apparently how it quickly settled:  two top possibilities, Lieberman and Edwards.  The others -- Kerry and Kerrey -- were treated as backup longshots.  But Edwards got nixed by the lobbying of Warren Christopher, Gore's head of the VP selection process, who regarded him as too young, too quick, and a pick that would be rather reckless (like a stopped clock, even Christopher is right occasionally).

    Then DNC Chair Ed Rendell shot off his mouth publicly when he said the country wasn't ready yet for a Jewish Vice President, which only angered Gore and made him all the more determined (LBJ-like) to name him.  

    One top Gore aide, trying to talk Al out of it, then noted Lieberman's nonconfrontational style and said in debate Gore would need a Mr October not a Mr August.  This reaction too just made Gore more committed to his choice and at that point, it was about time to bring in all the top advisers and announce the pick.


    springboard for the 2004 presidential nomination (none / 0) (#53)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 07:44:16 PM EST
    Joementum ran into voter's "No way, Jose."

    Can he leave soon enough? (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:38:29 PM EST

    The interview was Lieberman's first (5.00 / 4) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:54:21 PM EST
    on air bid for the Sec. of Defense position. With statements like this (same line as post) how can he be passed over for the position especially since he has already received McCain's endorsement.

    During an appearance on MSNBC's "Morning Joe" today, Senator Joe Lieberman (I-Conn) continued to insist that Saddam Hussein was developing weapons of mass destruction even though none were ever found after the invasion of Iraq.

    The senator, retiring his seat in 2012, also said that despite the enormous cost to the U.S. in blood, prestige and treasure he does not regret his vote for war and would do it all over again.

    Being a 100% wrong is one of the first qualifications for being a considered a very serious person on defense.


    God help us if he's the next (5.00 / 2) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:14:42 PM EST
    Sec of Defense.  He is such a loser in too many "look at me everyone" ways. I couldn't understand his whipping for DADT....but now I do.  He obviously wants the job.  Dear God, it has been hard enough watching Joe Lieberman from afar...please don't now put him right in my face every single day.

    I'm already doing some (none / 0) (#55)
    by brodie on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 08:03:48 PM EST
    crude preliminary calculations:

    Sweetie + Sweetheart + DADT = BHO + JRL + SOD


    He says that he's never backed (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:06:06 PM EST
    down from a fight.  lol  But he just did.

    The answer to your question is "no", but he's going to be around for the next two years; and I'd say that he's likely to be more upsetting and troublesome than he ever was since he's got no reason to exhibit any self control to get re-elected.


    Every time (5.00 / 4) (#41)
    by lentinel on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:57:51 PM EST
    I read about Lieberman and his cretinism, I am reminded that it he that indirectly led me to TalkLeft.

    I was googling Obama to find out something about him, and I found a link to TalkLeft. There was an article about Obama endorsing Lieberman over Lamont in the democratic primary in 2006.

    I, like many, was excited about the prospect of Lieberman, an architect and rabid supporter of Bush's plan to invade Iraq, being brought down by a challenger who opposed the war.

    And what do I read? I read that Obama went to Connecticut to support Lieberman and oppose Lamont.

    And he uttered these words in doing so:

    "...what I know is, Joe Lieberman' s a man with a good heart, with a keen intellect, who cares about the working families of America."
    "I am absolutely certain Connecticut is going to have the good sense to send Joe Lieberman back to the U.S. Senate". I later read that the sentence went on to say,  "...so he can continue to serve on our behalf."

    That told me all I needed to know, as it turns out, about Obama.
    To me it was the first of many red flags that went ignored by many who were invested in an Obama candidacy.

    But I found TalkLeft, for which I am grateful.

    To be fair (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 08:57:18 PM EST
    a number of DemVIPs turned out in Connecticut or in some way spoke in support of Lieberman at the time. Even Hillary, among many others whom I respect.

    Again, the most convoluted part of the relationship tendrils involving Lieberman is his selection by Al Gore for the VP spot? Despite my admiration for the former VP in the environmental and reinvention areas, I've always believed that the 2000 selection process was a churlish slap at the Clintons.

    Maybe it is all about the strange DC world of complex relationships (or something.)


    I think Al and Bill (none / 0) (#61)
    by brodie on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 09:04:47 PM EST
    met some time after the 2000 election, mostly to try to clear the air, perhaps repair a very damaged relationship, as Bill felt dissed (not just over Holy Joe) about how Gore used him, or didn't, during the campaign.

    Supposedly they eventually reached some modus vivendi at least, but I doubt Bill has ever quite forgotten the treatment.

    Me, I am still waiting for Al Gore to make himself available to a tough, non-star-struck lib-leaning blogger or reporter who can question him closely about that election and everything concerning it that went south for our side.  I've never seen such an interview.  Instead, Al made himself scarce, went into academia, then went on his global warming worldwide tour, where he's been for years now.  


    I've never seen such an interview either (none / 0) (#62)
    by christinep on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 09:12:46 PM EST
    It may be that we never will because the reality or image of how he has developed since his "political" days might not allow it.

    Yes, (none / 0) (#65)
    by lentinel on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 02:57:22 AM EST
    I know about the other dems going to Connecticut. The "good democrats".

    It's not so much that Obama schlepped there too, it's also WHAT he said about Lieberman, as printed above - that Lieberman was working "on our behalf".  

    For someone who made his reputation as being so brave and brilliant because he knew that Bush's war in Iraq was bogus (as did everybody I knew), he went ahead and supported someone who was an architect of the ongoing carnage.


    Well, I wouldn't want to stop (3.50 / 2) (#21)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:30:02 PM EST
    so many good rants... but did this also raise your collective hackles?


    Apparently you missed them (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:31:51 PM EST
    See Anne's comment above.

    Yes, I did miss Anne's comment (none / 0) (#24)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:35:50 PM EST
    One of how many????

    What??? (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by sj on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:47:45 PM EST
    Are you expecting discussion of that event of 2 and half years ago, to equal or eclipse discussion of today's event?

    Because, if so, all you're doing is trying to change the subject.


    All I was doing was (2.00 / 1) (#49)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 07:02:41 PM EST
    noting oxes,goring thereof and who they belong to.

    But I did learn that a sexist comment is subject to an unwritten statute of limitations.... if you are a Democrat.



    There's no "statute of limitations" ... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Yman on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 07:15:12 PM EST
    ... or double standard re: sexist comments around here.  You may not remember, but Obama's comments were repeatedly denounced here when he made them, just as Lieberman is now being called on his comments.

    Nice try, though.


    C'mon we all know PPJ is (none / 0) (#56)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 08:10:36 PM EST
    objective when it comes to Democrats:

    There are no moderate Democrats.
    A few are less radical than the others.

    Three post, not a single word about the ostensible topic of this thread.


    Will PPJ boldly go for 4, or will he quietly slink off and hope nobody notices his failure?

    Stay tuned.........................


    But he's a "social liberal" ... (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by Yman on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 08:12:55 PM EST
    ... don'tcha know.



    what the hell (none / 0) (#68)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 08:18:25 AM EST
    does that even mean?

    That's his self-description (none / 0) (#69)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 08:26:37 AM EST
    so that people don't confuse him with one of those 'extremist' Democrats, he's not a racist, but he thinks that the Armed Forces are in danger of collapse because DADT got repealed, and he thinks the Tea Party will become a significant political movement sometime soon.

    Who knows (none / 0) (#78)
    by Yman on Sat Jan 22, 2011 at 01:18:21 PM EST
    I think it's his way of trying to put a little daylight between himself and the Pat Robertson types, and give himself a little credibility.

    Literally, thousands (none / 0) (#70)
    by jbindc on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 08:38:11 AM EST
    Go to the comments section and search "Sweetie". Look under all the different sections by name (don't use "all") -  99% of the comments that contain the word are snarky and refer to Obama's comment to the Detroit reporter.

    that's a definite "yes" (none / 0) (#25)
    by sj on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:36:41 PM EST
    Did you expect otherwise?

    Yes, it (none / 0) (#35)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:25:02 PM EST
    did. It was condescending and sexist from Obama.

    Hah! (none / 0) (#39)
    by chrisvee on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:34:43 PM EST
    I had the same recollection as well.  

    The mentor managed to be more offensive than the student though!


    I (none / 0) (#46)
    by lentinel on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 06:11:17 PM EST
    remember that.

    Talk about flesh-crawling creepiness.


    Arianna's response (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:09:52 PM EST
    (if she was as classless)

    "Oh, I read it shorty."

    and translated it into 3 languages (none / 0) (#4)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:17:33 PM EST
    Since she's Greek, she could have just said (5.00 / 2) (#40)
    by Zorba on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 05:44:24 PM EST
    Τον διάβασα, μαλάκας.  Only the last word doesn't mean "shorty."

    And add (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:19:02 PM EST
    "Boo-yah, be-yotch!"

    Two points..... (none / 0) (#6)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:21:45 PM EST
    First, a little empathy, please, for aging people over, let's say 50 (like moi) who have a lifetime's usage of words and phrases that have come into ill repute during these past couple of decades of enlightenment.

    Second, Joe is an aging (can I say "jerk?") who has proven you CAN teach an aging dog new tricks: He's learned to get stupider and stupider with each passing year.

    Might have a little more sympathy (5.00 / 0) (#9)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:24:08 PM EST
    on the age thing (not much, though - this man is a public figure and talks for a living), if forgot himself and was addressing a young woman.  But Arianna is almost 61 years old.

    Forgot himself? The man is nothing but calcuating! (none / 0) (#30)
    by byteb on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:55:46 PM EST
    I don't think he has a spontaneous bone in his body. Everything he says and does is after great thought based on the single goal of making Joe look good.
    He's so full of himself. Little creep.

    Empathy for Joe is too much to ask (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:33:41 PM EST
    Doubt that age has much to do with him being a roaring a-hole unless you want to consider that because of his age he has longer to perfect his natural tendencies.

    My guess would be that it was not (5.00 / 3) (#11)
    by Anne on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:41:51 PM EST
    a slip of the tongue at all, but a deliberate comment by a clearly-threatened Lieberman that was intended to put Huffington in a position of being too gobsmacked by his insult to respond.

    Too bad for him that it had the side benefit of reminding millions of viewers/readers why they will not be sorry to see Joe hit the road.

    The guy makes my skin crawl.


    He was using the term (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:19:30 PM EST
    "sweetheart" as a rhetorical weapon.  It was meant to belittle his opponent in that debate.

    Indeed. (none / 0) (#42)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 06:00:20 PM EST
    It was in response to her (rightly, imo) belittling him.

    HUFFINGTON: Well, based on this completely unfounded assumption, I sincerely hope for the sake of the country that you do not become Secretary of Defense.

    LIEBERMAN: Now Arianna, these are not unfounded. Go read the Duelfer Report.

    HUFFINGTON: There is nothing in the report that proves anything that you have said.

    LIEBERMAN: I don't think you've read it, sweetheart.

    Then the appropriate response (none / 0) (#58)
    by Harry Saxon on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 08:12:56 PM EST
    is to be as patronizing as your opponent.

    SUO, have you ever heard of the old saying about stop digging...............................?


    I'm over 50 and that has not been (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:42:14 PM EST
    acceptable in my adult life. He's not all that old. He knew what he was doing.

    No empathy here!


    ALL RIGHT THEN! (none / 0) (#13)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:48:45 PM EST
    I was giving myself cover for the occasional slip-of-the-tongue that pops out now and then.

    I thought my second paragraph would've relayed how I felt about "poor ole Joe."

    Jeesh, what a cold crowd here today. ) (only a half-smiley)


    you found the cold spot in my bleeding heart (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:52:01 PM EST
    Its name is Lieberman. Didn't mean to snap at you!

    You have a lot more leeway (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by jbindc on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:53:37 PM EST
    You are not a seasoned politician who manages to talk to thousands of people all the time to ask for their vote and slipped this in.

    My guess is that if Joe was asking Arianna for a campaign donation, he wouldn't have called her "Sweetheart".


    That's not a chill you're feeling, it's heat (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Anne on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:59:13 PM EST
    that mimics what Arianna was likely feeling as the adrenaline rushed to her head at being so blatantly talked down to by one of the world's biggest a-holes.

    Probably not a woman in the vicinity who hasn't had the experience of being treated like that just for being a woman who knows her stuff and who dares to disrespect a man who thinks he's all that.

    That stuff hurts.  Remember the Obama "sweetie" remark?  Same thing.  And he's way too young to have had a slip of the tongue.

    Best not to try to explain away that kind of thing and just cover your head against the backlash!


    the 'sweetie' thing still makes my jaw drop (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by ruffian on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:09:03 PM EST
    Nothing more patronizing.

    Empathy for you - definitely (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:05:02 PM EST
    For Joe - no way - no how. Cold doesn't even come close.

    It's all in the context Shooter... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 11:55:10 AM EST
    the context here appears to be an intentional dig, for which I would suggest a gender-nuetral term like say "smartypants".

    Is this a preview of an (none / 0) (#8)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 03:22:49 PM EST
    unbridled Senator's future behavior?

    There have been comments made here and there about how resentful Lieberman was after that primary loss...  Now that he's not running again, we might see a bit more of the real Joe.

    been thinking (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by NYShooter on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 04:09:13 PM EST
    all day about that piece of NY cream cheese cake I hid in the back of the fridge.

    Now seems like a good time to go stick it in my mouth:)


    Sweetheart (none / 0) (#51)
    by Coral on Thu Jan 20, 2011 at 07:18:00 PM EST
    Whenever I hear that, I've learned to discredit the rest...

    Didn't our current president (none / 0) (#64)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 12:53:41 AM EST
    pretty much do the same thing?  sweetie

    PPJ already brought that up (2.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 05:57:07 AM EST
    darling, try reading the thread if you don't want to repeat a point someone else has already made.

    So flattered. (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 11:48:45 AM EST
    Read n for r? :--) (none / 0) (#74)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 02:22:38 PM EST
    Do you find it necessary to (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 02:26:34 PM EST
    fill in for S___?  Mea culpa for failing to read all the comments.  

    Look up the monolog (none / 0) (#76)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 02:42:56 PM EST
    "The Italian Lesson", by Ruth Draper.

    I'm going up to the Floradora Opera House in San Rafael, CA tomorrow to see a performance of "Angle of Repose" with a special guest appearence by Renee Fleming.


    Lucky you. First Stegner I ever read. (none / 0) (#77)
    by oculus on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 03:01:52 PM EST
    Then, years later, I just happened to tune in a broadcast of the opera, probably from San Francisco Opera.  Plus Fleming.  Await your review.

    what did Ariana say? (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 08:05:36 AM EST

    I don't think she (none / 0) (#71)
    by brodie on Fri Jan 21, 2011 at 08:56:16 AM EST
    got around to directly addressing his sexist remark.

    And to his rare credit, it was one Joe Scarborough who brought it up after the break.

    As for Arianna, she might have felt hamstrung by the fact that guests on MJ are apparently told to be on their best behavior -- no sharp Crossfire exchanges -- if they want to be invited back.