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    A new (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 07:49:42 AM EST
    research study (PDF) carried out by Michael I. Norton of Harvard Business School and Dan Ariely of Duke University - that finds that "Americans generally underestimate the degree of income inequality in the United States, and if given a choice, would distribute wealth in a similar way to the social democracies of Scandinavia" and that "92 percent of Americans would choose to live in a society with far less income disparity than the US, choosing Sweden's model over that of the US."

    RawStory Saturday:

    What's more, the study's authors say that this applies to people of all income levels and all political leanings: The poor and the rich, Democrats and Republicans are all equally likely to choose the Swedish model.

    But the study also found that respondents preferred Sweden's model over a model of perfect income equality for everyone, "suggesting that Americans prefer some inequality to perfect equality, but not to the degree currently present in the United States," the authors state.

    Recent analyses have shown that income inequality in the US has grown steadily for the past three decades and reached its highest level on record, exceeding even the large disparities seen in the 1920s, before the Great Depression. Norton and Ariely estimate that the one percent wealthiest Americans hold nearly 50 percent of the country's wealth, while the richest 20 percent hold 84 percent of the wealth.

    But in their study, the authors found Americans generally underestimate the income disparity. When asked to estimate, respondents on average estimated that the top 20 percent have 59 percent of the wealth (as opposed to the real number, 84 percent). And when asked to choose how much the top 20 percent should have, on average respondents said 32 percent -- a number similar to the wealth distribution seen in Sweden.

    "What is most striking" about the results, argue the authors, is that they show "more consensus than disagreement among ... different demographic groups. All groups - even the wealthiest respondents - desired a more equal distribution of wealth than what they estimated the current United States level to be, while all groups also desired some inequality - even the poorest respondents."

    The authors suggest the reason that American voters have not made more of an issue of the growing income gap is that they may simply not be aware of it. "Second, just as people have erroneous beliefs about the actual level of wealth inequality, they may also hold overly optimistic beliefs about opportunities for social mobility in the United States, beliefs which in turn may drive support for unequal distributions of wealth," they write.

    There is also a great graphical description (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 07:56:19 AM EST
    of this that really gets the point across, in a short 4 minute video produced by extremeinequality.org

    The Sound of Wealth Inequality


    Gates family supports higher taxes (5.00 / 3) (#23)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:09:16 AM EST
    on wealthy in WA state.

    Here in Washington, they're taking that literally. A TV spot for a proposed new income tax on the state's wealthiest citizens shows Microsoft founder Bill Gates' 84-year-old father, William Gates Sr., plunged by giggling kids into a dunk tank and left to drip in his wet khakis and Oxford shirt.

    "Some people say Initiative 1098 is about soaking the rich. But it's really about doing something for the next generation," Gates says. "You see, state cutbacks have put our kids at risk, and we can't just sit here and do nothing about it." link

    That's fascinating (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by lilburro on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:28:17 AM EST
    I don't have time to read the PDF now, but thanks for the link!!

    The youtube video (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Edger on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:36:17 AM EST
    is a jawdropper. Well worth watching.

    Anyone read Bob Woodward's (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 02:05:16 PM EST
    new book yet?  Trying to decide whether to reserve it on line at library.  So much effort!  Anyway, Digby discusses someone else's review of the book (shades of "American Taliban" controversy; shouldn't she read the book first?).  Petreaus.  Interested, MT?

    I'm reading American Taliban first (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:41:40 AM EST
    I plan on reading Woodwards book but haven't ordered it yet, and I probably should read it before I read the exerpts that leftwing bloggers pull out of it :)  I like David Petraeus, I think he is a good man doing an extraordinary job.  And I don't know how his wife does it either.  I suppose if we got General's pay though I could figure it out too.  There would be a lot more hiring out, and the science project would have been something plant related because I have too much to do even now to learn about nerf guns and deal with that.  Things are so busy at our house right now with the soldier person, we only really see him on Saturday and Sunday and then that consists a lot of watching him sleep.  Three mornings a week he is out the door in PTs at 5:00 am and he showers at work now and doesn't even come home to shower and change because he can often squeeze in some sort of report in the drive time.  My job is to keep the clean clothes coming and large portions of very late dinners (I hate my job but it must be done).  I go to his office to see him right now :( but I did get a lunch alone with him two weeks ago.  I do get to go to some work lunches that honor different people for different things, but I can't call that intimacy even if he somehow can :)

    I read what Digby had to say (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:14:44 AM EST
    And without reading the book, the real problem lies in what the administration wants to happen in Afghanistan.  People are all ticked because there was no plan fleshed out that offered less than a 30,000 troop increase.  There was a plan for that and that plan was the Biden plan.  The Biden plan is about bombing our problems away in Afghanistan without knowing exactly what we are bombing on the ground.  In order to know what we or anyone else is bombing they must have intel and that means boots on the ground.  The Obama administration wants as few civilian deaths as possible and THE ONLY WAY to achieve that is BOOTS ON THE GROUND.  I will read the book though and tell you what I think.

    I agree with her though on one thing, because of what happened with McChyrstal and David Petraeus actually taking a step down to take over the Afghan mission.....Obama is now David Petraeus' b*tch.  And David Petraeus will not make a mistake that he can easily be fired over either like McChrystal did.  The new military COIN is also David Petraeus' brainchild, he will likely protect it, and work just as hard to make it safe and successful as he would one of his children.  Obama uses infighting (which I think is stupid) in order to "control" those under him.  In my opinion it is like controlling people using dynamite, but David Petraeus will fall into NO such scheme.  He will pick apart every problem and every difficulty and ask real questions about how he and the military is supposed to achieve the President's goals with nothing for resources.  Obama is licked where Petraeus is concerned.  He is also lucky though, Petraeus prevents him from creating another country completely on fire and burning to the ground like Iraq was before David Petraeus.  He prevents Obama from just pulling some impossible notion out of his arse and throwing it on the table and walking out of the room only to suffer a total military failure a year down the road and proving the Liberals are no better at National Security than the insane Conservatives.  I think this is overall a HUGE win and sadly something that very few lefties think about.  Either Obama leaves Afghanistan, or he goes with David Petraeus though.  I am still shocked when I read people ticked about the troop increase who keep pretending that something humane can take place in Afghanistan by just bombing the PHUCK out of them and keeping our "footprint small".  What a trade off, makes me sick to think about.


    Well said,MT (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:48:27 AM EST
    as usual.

    I get particularly aggravated by the blowhards screaming about the military demanding more troops.  If you give the military a goal you want to achieve, they're going to demand enough troops and equipment to achieve it.  Period.

    We saw what happened in Iraq when that moron Rumsfeld insisted on keeping the troop numbers way below what the military guys knew was necessary.  Don't want that to happen again, thank you.

    The thing to question is the president's goals, not the needs of the military to achieve them.


    Makes me sick, too (none / 0) (#43)
    by Dadler on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:15:17 AM EST
    Logic tells me, the only way to POSSIBLY, MAYBE, to achieve something real in Afghanistan and keep civilian casualties to a minimum, besides GETTING OUT, is for American soldiers to die first, in vast numbers, everywhere, to ENSURE that civilians are kept safe. But, aside from the impossibility of that policy being instituted, it would also require hundreds of thousands of troops, which we're not going to commit, and we're drone cowards at heart anyway, and we have really come to believe that it's civilians who are supposed to die first. That's what really makes me sick.  Forgive me, but to paraphrase a quote from a Kubrick film, a soldier's job is to die. That is what they are there for. And only by dying in huge numbers, and showing the Afghan people they are willing to die whenever and wherever necessary for them, can Aghanistan avoid what you, and all of us, hope it can.

    But you and I both know, Americans are not going to march to their mass deaths for Afghanistan. Nor would Afghans do it for us.

    We long ago murdered whatever chance either Afghanistan or Iraq have for any kind of normal, prosperous future in the next hundred years, if any humans are around then.

    Forgive me, but I'm in a foul mood today.


    Boots On the Ground? (none / 0) (#44)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:37:59 AM EST
    Boots on the ground did not stop the massive civilian deaths, torture and imprisonment of Iraqis in the last eight years.

    Yes bombing increases civilian deaths, but putting more troops on the ground that have little compassion for Afghan civilians aka muslims, and adding tens of thousands of troops who cannot tell the difference between the good guys and the bad guys because they all look alike, is not going to stanch civilian deaths or win hearts and minds either, imo.


    You know zero (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:22:56 AM EST
    about the realities and even if you did you would ignore it.

    Iraqi Civilian Deaths Are Reality (none / 0) (#59)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 01:04:21 PM EST
    It is a matter of record. And what is the favorite term our troops on the ground call Muslims?  Hodgi.... isn't that it. The new gook?

    Sounds to me that you have been brainwashed.

    If there are any red blooded American killing machines who have compassion toward Muslims, and can tell the difference between good muslims and bad muslims, or even speak Pashto, they are extremely rare.


    Well, Ignore this: (none / 0) (#104)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:12:09 PM EST
    In interviews with Army investigators, he described a plot led by Staff Sgt. Calvin Gibbs to randomly kill civilians while on patrol in Kandahar Province.

    Prosecutors have also alleged that members of the platoon mutilated Afghan corpses and even collected fingers and other body parts, and that some posed for photos with Afghan corpses.

    A few bad apples? Sounds more like mainstream abu ghraib hatred.

    "Gibbs had pure hatred for all Afghanis and constantly referred to them as savages," Morlock said in the statement reviewed by the AP. "Sometime after Christmas 2009, Gibbs gave me a (fragmentary) grenade and told me that if the situation presented itself that we should go ahead and run with the grenade scenario that he had briefed to us."....

    The case raised serious questions about the Army's handling of the case. Spc. Adam Winfield, who is charged in the final killing, sent troubled Facebook messages home to his parents in Florida after the first killing. He wrote that he was being threatened to keep his mouth shut about it and that he didn't know what to do.

    His father made nearly half a dozen calls to military officials that day, and he said he warned them about the ongoing plot and the threats against his son.

    But no suspects were arrested until May, when a witness in a drug case in the unit alerted investigators to what he considered unjustified killings.


    Feel the love.....  

    more like systemic hate...


    I just was Rasmussened (none / 0) (#2)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 03:56:18 PM EST
    in the third poll I bothered to do in the last few weeks, amid many pollsters calling my purple state of late.

    I will say for Rasmussen that this is the first poll that didn't ask stupid questions -- that is, questions that showed that the other pollsters did not do their homework in research, prior to research design, even to understand that voters don't register by party in my state.

    That's surprising (none / 0) (#10)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:12:43 AM EST
    because Rasmussen now sells polls for $600 where you can write your own questions and they will do the robopolling. Perfect way to skew the results the way you want them so you can make news with the biased poll.

    Wow (none / 0) (#17)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:38:58 AM EST
    Is it then presented as a "Rasmussen poll"?

    Excellent Question (none / 0) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:48:12 AM EST
    and I believe the answer is that it's up to those releasing the poll. I can find very little other info than the privately purchased polling is through Pulse Opinion Research which is a branch of Rasmussen.

    In a recent Rasmussen Minnesota Governor poll, I found in the results that Rasmussen states "Field work for all Rasmussen Reports surveys is conducted by Pulse Opinion Research, LLC."


    Brothers and Sisters (none / 0) (#3)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 10:13:11 PM EST
    certainly turned it up a few notches, is anyone else watching it?

    Boardwalk Empire had a lot of foreshadowing of doom and gloom to come.  I haven't found a character  in it to care about. Desperate Housewives was terrible, it's moved from schtick to shlock

    J, I'm thinking when the NYT (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 10:16:14 PM EST
    TV critic retires, you should get the job!

    I think I'm too (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 10:46:32 PM EST
    negative for the MSM, I tend to pan 90% of what I watch, but thanks. I wish politics would get interesting again. I guess for now, it's just crime and tv.

    Boardwalk Empire (none / 0) (#42)
    by NealB on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:12:54 AM EST
    I think Boardwalk Empire ratcheted up last night; enough to get me back again next Sunday at least. I'm interested in where they're going to take the Kelly McDonald character; her story is compelling. A member of a women-for-morality league, wife/widow abused by her husband, single mother of two little kids that sure seem glad dad is dead, and, we found out last night, maybe smarter than the bad big boys that rule her world. There's a lot going on with her. Is she going to end up working with the FBI or Nucky? Both? I haven't read the book, so I'm intrigued to find out what her story is.

    Margaret Schroeder, who plays Kelly, is excellent. She was brilliant in Gosford Park several years ago, playing Maggie Smith's maid.


    Looking forward to watching it tonight (none / 0) (#47)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:54:20 AM EST
    Sunday night is turning out to be a good TV night - I have to parcel it out a little bit.

    I'm glad that character is going to get a lot of play. Interesting story there. I was trying to remember where I remembered Kelly MacDonald from - must have been Gosford Park. Everyone was so great in that film.


    Couldn't agree more re: DH. (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:01:33 PM EST
    It's just no fun anymore.

    Padres definitely messed up today. (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 10:17:45 PM EST
    12 to 2, Cincinnati.  At least they didn't clinch at Petco.

    I have no idea what happened (none / 0) (#9)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 11:55:47 PM EST
    in bball today. But one thing I do know . . . . J.E.T.S . . .   We beat da Fins :)

    tell yer tutoree (sp?!) his guy LT did good again and we're happy to have him :)


    I will tell Mario, who was kind of (none / 0) (#11)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17:04 AM EST
    underwhelmed by L.T.'s effort last week.  Picky, picky.  

    BTW, the Yankees are the wild card leader (none / 0) (#12)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17:52 AM EST
    after Boston walked in the winning run!

    So much for a defensive struggle... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:56:53 AM EST
    Sanchez and Henne were flinging it around like the O'Brien and Marino days...2 straight very solid games for the young QB...very encouraging.  With Santonio Holmes due back in 2, we could get scary good on offense.  Keller is a freak!

    But we need Revis back asap...he's so key to everything we do on D.  Wilson is getting picked on big time.

    Good stuff stray...nice to get out to the early division lead by beating the Pats and Dolphins. Let's keep it rollin' fellas!


    Has Sanchez been picked in the last 2? (none / 0) (#53)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:47:21 AM EST
    Dude is starting to show consistency on what I saw as flashes of a good QB. Good head on his shoulders also. And yes, Keller is a freak, lol!~

    can't wait for Holmes :) and they gotta keep Edwards on the up n' up. no more stupid sh*t dude! Wilson may be getting picked on, but I'm betting he's also getting schooled.


    Good point... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:58:32 AM EST
    every rookie needs time to get their NFL feet wet...especially corners.  But he looks really lost:)

    Sanchez hasn't thrown a pick all year, granted he was very luck that ugly screen he threw into that D-Lineman's chest didn't get picked:)...but the dudes got a 104.9 QB rating with 6 TD tosses so far...much better than I expected, especially after the Week 1 bedsh*tting.  NE has a weak secondary, but the Dolphins are stacked on D...this is a very good sign of things to come with our signal-caller, imo.  

    Onto Buffalo...no matter how bad they are they always play us very tough.  I was kidding around last night saying the Bills are looking at 3-13, with one of those wins surely coming against the Jets:)



    How about our boy Leon (none / 0) (#117)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:50:44 PM EST
    in Seattle yesterday, dog? Two run backs for tds..
    That problematic leg seems to be fully operational..

    If the Jets can't move the ball next week against Old Man Potter's putrid, low budget, front seven, we'll know either that some Jets are in the tank or some Buffalo hoodoo man figured out a way to put the evil eye on 'em; either way, it sure won't because the Bills have an LBer that cant shoot a gap or a lineman who can rush a passer..



    Wow man... (none / 0) (#119)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 05:18:46 PM EST
    I could feel the football torment in that comment...Buffalo '66 style.

    But I don't know...we've always managed to play down to the Bills level in the past when we're rolling good...always.  At least I won't be watching cuz I can feel it comin'.

    So happy for Leon...practically won that game by himself!  Looks like same old Lean to me too.

    He'll have to do quite a bit of that cuz I don't see Seattle winning many games, even in the putrid NFC West.  Now thats a division for your Bills:)


    Dexter, get some grief counseling dude! (none / 0) (#6)
    by ruffian on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 10:39:46 PM EST
    Great opening episode. Is Dexter going to get nailed for the one murder he hasn't committed? And if Jennifer Carpenter doesn't get her Emmy this year..well I guess I have no empty threats to make, but it won't be right.

    I'm listening to the audiobook of Rebecca Traister's book about women in the 2008 campaign, 'Big Girls Don't Cry'.  Very good so far. She did a lot of first hand reporting right from the start of the race, before the excrement hit the fan, and has a lot of interesting insights, and a good perspective. It is interesting to get her view as a thirtysomething, interviewing the feminist icons of other generations.  She does not seem to have missed much. Looking forward to,listening to the rest, though if I listen in the car as usual some road rage incidents might ensue.

    I just finished listening to "Dance, (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Sun Sep 26, 2010 at 11:19:38 PM EST
    Dance, Dance," a novel by Haruki Murakami.  I enjoy his writing.

    Thanks! I'll put that on my list (none / 0) (#31)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:48:49 AM EST
    Do you use audible.com? They have a nice new mobile app for droid and iphone. It lets you download the books right to the phone instead of having to go to the computer first. Very convenient.

    I check audio books out of the library (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:00:03 PM EST
    and play them on the CD player in my car.  Which means a 16 disc book takes a very long time to listen to!

    I have an MP3 device I hope to load from audible.com so I can listen on the long drives on an upcoming trip where others will also be along for the ride.  Hope I can accomplish the download!


    Yes, I used to do that too - cassettes were (none / 0) (#95)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:19:30 PM EST
    even worse than CDs!! Changing them while driving sometimes a challenge too. I probably should have been pulled over. Have you ever used the Cracker Barrel restaurant/shop rental system on long trips? You can check out a book CD set in one location and return it at another.

    The mp3 players are so much more convenient, and it really does not take that long to download a whole book.

    Now I have geographical locations associated with books I've listened to on road trips. Lots of Bill Bryson between Denver and LA. Wolf Hall between Atlanta and Orlando.


    South of Broad, Pat Conroy, if you (none / 0) (#105)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:25:29 PM EST
    ever drive to Charleston.

    I DVR'd it but haven't watched it yet (none / 0) (#28)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:44:31 AM EST
    As I described, I'm trying to keep my weekends open for "family" right now.  I'll probably watch Dexter today.

    Durbin just said "No" (none / 0) (#16)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:38:46 AM EST
    on endorsing Rahm for mayor of Chicago at this time. FDL

    Most pols (none / 0) (#18)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 06:43:43 AM EST
    usually at least wait to see what the field is before endorseing anyone, don't they?  If he endorsed Rahm (or anyone else) right out of the box before he's even announced, he'd earn some resentment he doesn't need to earn, especially if Rahm ended up not running.

    But I did see that on CNN or whatever, and he was a bit flat and abrupt about it.


    With the likelyhood of Rahm running (5.00 / 2) (#58)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:17:34 PM EST
    for mayor, looks like the administration has decided that he will share the blame with those dastardly liberals for all the things leading to defeat in November.

    Last spring, chief of staff Rahm Emanuel began pursuing a series of deals with interest groups--insurers, pharmaceutical manufacturers, hospitals--to grease the passage of health care. When Axelrod eventually turned to the issue, he became frustrated. The deals Emanuel was negotiating were moving the legislation forward. But they risked provoking a public backlash. "During the campaign we fought against insurance companies," Axelrod said in discussions with Emanuel and the president. "After the deals with insurance companies, the deals with Pharma--all these people are supposedly our friends." FDL

    BTW. Axelrod by his own admission is not at fault for any unpopular thing in the health insurance bill. According to him, he advised against the excise tax on good employer paid health care plans but was overruled by Obama.


    Agree his answer was rather abrupt (none / 0) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 07:50:51 AM EST
    Liked this line.

    I have said publicly to Rahm Emanuel, "if you want to run, you can't do it from the White House, you need to do it from the loop in Chicago."



    Or Hyde Park. (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 12:03:12 PM EST
    A friend (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 07:44:20 AM EST
    on FB quoted a poll that showed that 24% of tea partiers think that violence against the government is okay. Anyone else hear about that poll?

    The story producing audible gasps (none / 0) (#24)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:27:27 AM EST
    around the office this morning. What a way to go.

    Law enforcement and family (none / 0) (#107)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:27:10 PM EST
    assert nothing to suggest suicide.  Strange, but then he just bought the company a year ago.  Those things look unstable to me but I haven't tried riding one.

    I'm caught :) (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:46:30 AM EST
    I just saw this and a big woo hoo went off in my head.  But aren't UGG boots on their way out?

    These boots are made for walkin' (none / 0) (#32)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:51:04 AM EST
    and that's just what I'll do

    And one of these days the boots

    Are gonna walk all over you

    (dun dun dun dun dun dun dun)

    AAAARGH! I feel like I should be transported to Bien Hoa or An Khe...


    So I've heard (none / 0) (#34)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:08:53 AM EST
    On the way out or not, I'll be wearing mine until they wear out completely. Can't stand cold feet in the winter and they keep my feet warmer than any other boots I have owned and are extremely comfortable to wear.

    This statement is in no way to be taken as support of the person dropping the spam in all the threads.


    Where it is cold (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:20:08 AM EST
    They should probably never be "OUT" of style.  Where I live, it amazes me that any of us own a pair.  And that we waited for the least chill to put them on and then have nasty sweaty feet :)

    My floors get very cold in winter. (none / 0) (#89)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:48:03 PM EST
    A friend recommended Ugg flipflops.  Which work.

    Ugg flipflops in the one winter month (none / 0) (#123)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 12:00:29 PM EST
    I get outdoors, that could probably work.  I haven't seen a pair, but I'll check them out.

    How waterproof are they? (none / 0) (#39)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:50:17 AM EST
    Are they only good for nice dry sidewalks, or can you slosh around the half-melting snow to the bird feeders and firewood racks in them?

    Water resistant rather than waterproof (none / 0) (#41)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:09:08 AM EST
    Wouldn't wear them for anything other than a very brief period of time in wet snow that went above the sole of the boot. Very brief jaunts in yard to retrieve paper or the like they do all right. Anything other than that I wouldn't recommend.

    Rats (none / 0) (#46)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:51:48 AM EST
    That's what I was afraid of.  I sure could use warm and waterproof and easy to put on and not too much dough...

    I have a pair of black puffy nylon Sorrels (none / 0) (#48)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:00:50 AM EST
    I used to wear for walking the dogs in many inches of snow. The boots themselves come up to about mid calf on me, zip up the front, and as long as no snow gets down the top they keep me nice and warm and dry. I used them apres-ski too. They are not real fancy, but nice enough looking for casual street wear. I just looked real quick and don't see the same model anymore these are over 10 yrs old, but I think in general Sorrel makes good boots.

    Sorrel (none / 0) (#62)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 01:38:13 PM EST
    THanks for the tip. I'll go see what I can find.  I actually don't care in the least what they look like while I'm splitting firewood or slogging out to the bird feeders in mid-winter!

    Nice to live in a place where there's literally no such operative concept as "street wear."


    I really liked mine in NYC snow (none / 0) (#64)
    by nycstray on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 01:55:38 PM EST
    I had a pair with the side zip. I avoid laces like the plague with frozen fingers :)

    also have a high arch and narrow feet ta boot. another option I did was good rubber boots, thin wool socks and fleece boot liners. this was good for days when snow was above other boot height as these went to my knees.


    Rubber boots (none / 0) (#113)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:34:15 PM EST
    Yeah, ugh, I resort to those too in really deep snow.  What I need to do is get a pair that's two sizes too big so I can fit several pairs of socks without binding my feet, which just makes them colder.

    I have no patience for laces even in summer unless I'm setting out on some serious hiking expedition.  Working around outside, I'm forever in and out of the house with this or that, and I'm just not going to go through the hassle.


    Sorrels were my Wyoming boots (none / 0) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Sep 28, 2010 at 12:05:47 PM EST
    20 below zero but feet are warm.  I walked to work once in them when it was 20 below and no cars in my vicinity would start.  I decided to take the challenge, and I made it just fine with my boots, snow pants, Columbia parka, and a huge scarf wrapped around my head.  My boss made it to work, his car managed to start, but I scared the heck out of him when I walked in the door. And he chewed me out for not calling for a ride.  But it was a fun challenge and I accepted the ride home.

    I would love to have (none / 0) (#50)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:07:35 AM EST
    waterproof snow boots made with the same warmth and design of the original Uggs. I have a very high instep and have difficulty finding boots that do not have a seam that cuts into my foot at the high point of my instep, thus making them too painful to wear.   Have given away more snow boots than I can count because I can't wear them for more than a few minutes (time you spend walking in them at store).

    Ding, ding, ding! (none / 0) (#61)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 01:35:41 PM EST
    I'm in exactly the same boat, or shoe.  A really good shoe person explained to me once that although manufacturers used to have different lasts for women's shoes, with higher arches and narrower heels, they quit doing that years ago to save money and now only use the men's lasts and make "women's" shoes just with smaller sizes and different styling.  Arrgggghh.

    I did finally find some years ago a good pair of very sturdy hiking boots by a company called Vasque that does use a separate women's last with a high arch and narrower heel.  Don't know if they make winter snow boots, but worth a little Googling to find out.  I may go do that myself right now...


    Don't know if you have a REI store near you (none / 0) (#71)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:17:40 PM EST
    or not, but since the start of this discussion, I have been hunting around. Seems that REI carries Sorel and other brands of rain and winter boots. Online link A couple look like they may work. Think I will go to the store and see what all they have and try a few different brands on.

    Not anymore (none / 0) (#106)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:25:52 PM EST
    We have Tractor Supply "out here" instead!

    But REI outside Boston is where I got those Vasquez boots and the education about shoe construction, from a very knowledgeable saleswoman who instantly knew my problem and what there was that would work for me-- the one Vasquez boot.  Everything else they had was men's-last, even though sold as "women's."  My feet practically sang with joy when I put them on and walked around with them.


    Love my Vasque hiking boots (none / 0) (#90)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:04:55 PM EST
    for just that reason. I have a very narrow heel and step right out of many shoes/boots. Had to adjust the insole padding a little because I have no arch at all, but I've had them for years.

    In the old days (none / 0) (#109)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:30:01 PM EST
    <cough> there even used to be a couple of what where called a "combination last" for your problem and for women with really broad ball of the foot and very narrow heels.  Those went away first, then the women's last disappeared altogether.

    I think that probably happened when women stopped wearing "sensible shoes" altogether and resigned themselves to shoes with pinched toes and very high heels that made their feet hurt no matter how they were built. At that point, the shoe people realized it didn't matter whether the shoes fit well or not, as long as they looked fashionable, so why bother.

    I remember shopping for shoes with my mother well up to my teens where it was a very serious consultation and fitting, more like going to the doctor than buying shoes.  Long gone now.


    My mom grew up in an orphanage and (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:48:30 PM EST
    had extremely bad feet due to poor fitting shoes. To her love was a pair of good fitting shoes. She was almost fanatical about it to he point that it embarrassed me when I was a child. Must say that all her care worked since my feet are in really good shape even now that I'm older.

    One of my regrets in life is teasing (5.00 / 2) (#118)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:55:08 PM EST
    my mom when she got new shoes at orthopaedic shoe store.  She didn't grow up in an orphanage but in a very poor family in S. IL.  I wish she could see the clumpy lace ups that became fashionable after she died.

    Admitting the Ipad is nice... (none / 0) (#30)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 08:47:11 AM EST
    I might just be joining Jeralyn, Ruffian, and others... with a docking station, hooking it up to my monitor, and a keyboard, it will do more than my 5 year old laptop.

    I'm always hesitant to jump on a new technology, but as someone explained to me, "it's the iphone technology on a larger scale, the bugs are worked out."

    Big question, singe I'm not sure, can the Ipad run windows like Macs? Or is there a slide show presentation for ipads/macs?

    I know I'm sold if that's the case. I'll also post this in the next open thread, sorry for blog-clogging!

    Can't run windows (none / 0) (#33)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:08:13 AM EST
    But there are a couple of slide show Apps out there. Actually, do you mean slide shows as in PowerPoint, or as in photography?  Apple's PowerPoint type app is called Keynote, and there is an iPad version for $9.99. I don't have it since I have no need, but I think the reviews have been pretty good. There are others too, I'm sure.

    There are many many photography apps that do slide shows, if that is what you want. I would just browse the apps and see what meets your needs. I just use the Apple slide show that comes on the iPad, so I can't recommend any others personally.

    Glad your overall experience has been good. If you already have a bluetooth keyboard, there is no need to buy the docking station.


    Keynote -- i'll remember that. (none / 0) (#49)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:06:25 AM EST
    It's for teaching, so I'll buy it after I buy the iPad. I'm thinking of maxing out the memory, but it might be a lot more than I need...

    I only got the 16 gig memory and have (none / 0) (#92)
    by ruffian on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:09:46 PM EST
    not had a problem. However I do not use it to store music, and video only sporadically for the time it takes to watch them.

    Can't hurt to max it out though. Would you get the 3G? I only got wifi because I mostly just use it at home, and there are enough hotspots at airports and hotels if I'm on the road. Trying not to pay ATT more than I have to.


    i'll go for the 3g. (5.00 / 1) (#120)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:15:27 PM EST
    I can't imagine ever filling that much memory, but why not.

    One of my students today told me in no uncertain terms to wait a couple of months, though... something will be added or better. I must admit that I heard something like "the arglebarglebarble suniumgugugle will be better." I asked him to please email me an explanation of what he said, because I wasn't even certain what language it was.


    Indepth article about the daily lives (none / 0) (#45)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 10:40:45 AM EST
    of the 33 Chilean miners who have been trapped underground for nearly two months. AP Really interesting.

    Follow up to FBI raids in Mpls of anti-war group (none / 0) (#51)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 11:18:07 AM EST
    for "terrorism"

    Anti-war group responds

    I found this interesting:

    Peter Erlinder, the controversial  William Mitchell College of Law professor and a longtime Anti-War Committee member, told the media that the committee was being targeted under an expanded definition of what constitutes "material support for terrorism," upheld by a recent US Supreme Court decision. The Humanitarian Law Project v. Holder case, he said, confirmed that a US citizen could be prosecuted for even offering legal counsel to a member of a group labeled as a terrorist organization by the State Department. He suggested that the Anti-War Committee's fact-finding meetings with Palestinian and Colombian dissidents may have opened themselves up to these raids under the loose guidelines.

    "The political effect is to attack political opposition," Ehrlinder said. "Even though local law enforcement may not intend it, that is the effect.

    By that logic... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 01:22:22 PM EST
    an officer of the law who mirandizes a terrorist suspect could be charged with material support of terrorism...talk about a catch-all charge!

    That is interesting in a "Holy Dystopia Batman!" sorta way.


    Love the funtcion on Mozilla IE (none / 0) (#78)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:27:21 PM EST
    where you can highlight a word, then in the drop down menu, look it up within several options, as in "dystopia" (nice entry on Wiki)

    thanks for the new word of the day, kdog


    Don't thank me... (none / 0) (#79)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:31:37 PM EST
    thank the prophets Orwell, Huxley, Kafka, Zamyatin, and all the other great like minds that escape me at this moment...they tried to warn us about dystopia...I'm just a liberty evangelical spreading their word:)

    I previously thought it was a condition (none / 0) (#93)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:15:55 PM EST
    of the stomach, as in "sour"  :0)

    I just received a CD w/o a label. (none / 0) (#63)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 01:52:11 PM EST
    USPS priority mail.  Addressed to me by name.  From:
    Albert M. Gould
    1 Washurn Place
    Brookline MA 02448

    Never heard of him.  What to do?  Notify Homeland Security?  

    LOL... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:04:04 PM EST
    How about playing it...whatever sounds the disc possesses, I doubt it could be that bad to make it a case for Homeland Security:)

    Or if that is living too dangerously for ya, pull an Elvis and "Return to Sender".


    Don't you think it is kind of suspicious? (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:08:09 PM EST
    Couldn't find anything out about the guy re google.  Except maybe family tree.  

    Maybe it is my message for Mission Impossible?  Solicitation to join the Tea Party movement?  Consider the possibilities.


    What's suspicous... (none / 0) (#68)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:13:33 PM EST
    is a VHS tape showing up in your mailbox, the Alex Jones documentary "9/11 A Road to Tyranny", without an envelope, address, or postage...just the tape.

    I asked everybody I know and no one would fess up to putting it in my mailbox (a federal crime, btw:)...now that was weird.  This was a few years ago, but I insist to this day it had to be one of my knucklehead friends and they just won't fess up for whatever reason.

    I watched it...tin-foily but right up my alley:)


    I just talked to my friend who is an (none / 0) (#70)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:15:00 PM EST
    expert on consumer protection.  I think I will go listen to the CD in my car.  If the car blows up, you'll know what happened to me!

    Depends-- is your car a 1974 Pinto? (none / 0) (#72)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:20:20 PM EST

    Ha. I'll call Ralph. (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:21:53 PM EST
    Actually, my car is a 2002 Camry (boring, I know), which is pre-recall.

    Check out Oculus... (none / 0) (#74)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:21:17 PM EST
    really livin' on the edge...I love it!

    If the mystery disc contains the secrets of life & the universe, please pass it along to your TL friends.


    Air conditioning in the car--a treat. (none / 0) (#80)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:31:38 PM EST
    It is really hot here today.  Anyhow, must be a DVD if anything (I don't have a working DVD player).  No sound if a CD. The mystery continues.

    If it's a bootleg copy of (none / 0) (#82)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:34:34 PM EST
    DOA singing "F*ck You" live at CBGB's it's mine, but they sent it to the wrong TL member...

    just sayin'


    Here's another suspicious circumstance. (none / 0) (#88)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:44:30 PM EST
    (Snark alert, Squeaky.)  My VISA has an unauthorized charge to iTunes for about $40.  I have never charged/downloaded from that site, as I am living in the 20th century technology-wise.  Well, except for the Blackberry.  And my new Rocketfish sender/receivers!

    you should be able to tell your bank (none / 0) (#94)
    by DFLer on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:16:54 PM EST
    to take those charges off, right?

    Yes. (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:20:03 PM EST
    Your iTunes account may have been hacked (none / 0) (#98)
    by jbindc on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:24:04 PM EST
    Mine was earlier this year - from an IP address in Germany.  Bought several hundreds of dollars in a couple of days, and since I wasn't budgeting for those purchases, it through my checking account into overdraft, so I got hit with fees of $30 for each overdraft.  All in all, it cost about $1000.  Luckily, I contacted Apple and they and my bank got it all straightened out and got all the money back.  But I had to file a police report, a report with the FBI, and FTC (all online thankfully), so they could possibly build a case against the IP provider or find the individuals responsible.  I also had to cancel my debit card and change everything that was connected to that.  A pain, for sure, but since I got my money back, I'm happy.

    I don't have an account. (none / 0) (#108)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:28:12 PM EST
    I'll trade your $40 iTunes VISA chg (none / 0) (#100)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:25:23 PM EST
    for my unauthorized $4,1000+ chg for some unidentified newsletter. No snark involved on this. Very upset yesterday when I checked my bank account online even after I contacted my bank. Actually put a dent in a bottle of wine that I opened a couple of months ago.

    jeebus, MO. That's getting into (none / 0) (#121)
    by jeffinalabama on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:17:43 PM EST
    real money. Hope it's resolved quickly.

    Real money is right (none / 0) (#122)
    by MO Blue on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 09:32:14 PM EST
    A real concern that someone has enough of my card information to process the transaction and fearful that they may be able to somehow access the info on the next card. A quick resolution would be very helpful. Needless to say, the bank has canceled the card (my only one) and I will have to contact a couple of companies that debit my account on a monthly basis.

    Here's an idea... (none / 0) (#83)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:34:38 PM EST
    take it to Best Buy and play it on one of the display DVD/TV's.

    And hope it ain't pron!


    Good idea. I was going to go to Fed Ex/ (none / 0) (#86)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:40:57 PM EST
    formerly known as Kinkos.  Yes, I am bored!  

    Actually, I just threw the disc in the (none / 0) (#114)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:37:47 PM EST
    wastebasket.  Movin' on.

    Good Work! (none / 0) (#115)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:40:51 PM EST
    I knew you could do it.

    Careful (none / 0) (#77)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:24:38 PM EST
    The CD is likely to hypnotize you and turn you and your car into a WMD.

    Wow (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:14:16 PM EST
    Do you call Homeland Security on a regular basis, like every time you get junk mail?

    Maybe this is your lucky day, and you got recording of a distant relative reading you his will..


    You must be pretty bored...


    Snark alert. Can't see myself ever (none / 0) (#73)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:21:02 PM EST
    calling Homeland Security.  

    Secret admirer? n/t (none / 0) (#76)
    by lilburro on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:23:55 PM EST
    Albert M. Gould? (none / 0) (#81)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:32:22 PM EST
    It's your very own (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by lilburro on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:06:03 PM EST
    Of Brookline Mass... (none / 0) (#84)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:37:43 PM EST
    CST's neck of the woods...maybe she has heard of this character.

    ha! (none / 0) (#97)
    by CST on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:23:05 PM EST
    Alas I do not know who the esteemable Albert M. Gould is, despite the fact that he lives within a 10 mile radius of me.

    Since I'm creepy, I can tell you that google streetview thinks this is a private residence.


    Would you mind knocking on the door (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:30:59 PM EST
    and asking him why the hell he is sending me unsolicited USPS priority mail?  

    Poor Al... (none / 0) (#101)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:33:57 PM EST
    the dude sends Oc a present and we go all J. Edgar Hoover on him.

    Wiretapping the internet (none / 0) (#67)
    by jbindc on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:13:00 PM EST
    Maybe headed to a computer near you.

    WASHINGTON -- Federal law enforcement and national security officials are preparing to seek sweeping new regulations for the Internet, arguing that their ability to wiretap criminal and terrorism suspects is "going dark" as people increasingly communicate online instead of by telephone.

    Essentially, officials want Congress to require all services that enable communications -- including encrypted e-mail transmitters like BlackBerry, social networking Web sites like Facebook and software that allows direct "peer to peer" messaging like Skype -- to be technically capable of complying if served with a wiretap order. The mandate would include being able to intercept and unscramble encrypted messages.

    The bill, which the Obama administration plans to submit to lawmakers next year, raises fresh questions about how to balance security needs with protecting privacy and fostering innovation. And because security services around the world face the same problem, it could set an example that is copied globally.

    Speaking of Dystopia... (none / 0) (#85)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:40:49 PM EST
    one step closer to Orwell's telescreen coming to fruition.

    Poor babies...they're snooping and spying has "gone dark"...what if that is how we like it?  Not that we have a say or anything:)


    Wasn't Obama the fellow who claimed (none / 0) (#87)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 02:42:16 PM EST
    he couldn't function w/o his Blackberry?  

    Interesting book review. (none / 0) (#99)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:24:10 PM EST

    This snippet caught my eye.  Bill Dwyre is long-time head sports section writer for Los Angeles Times:

    In the current Internet age of so-called sports journalism, which often consists of someone sitting at a computer or in front of a microphone in pajamas and opining on things he or she knows little about, Dohrmann is a throwback and a bulldog. The best journalism remains that done with exhaustive documentation and backed by impeccable credibility. That's why, unlike the yearly boatload of jock-sniffing sports books that are best suited for pep-rally bonfires, this one might actually get some attention and make a difference.

    Here's a riddle for ya guys... (none / 0) (#102)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:40:07 PM EST
    What do careers in preaching and policing have in common?

    Answer...both great cover for perverts.  Link

    One woman's word against the cops, she is screwed.  But 18 women and their word against one?  We shall see...or not since, it's just an internal NYPD thing, nothing criminal.

    You forgot the clerics. (none / 0) (#111)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:32:17 PM EST
    No endorsement for Boxer (none / 0) (#103)
    by jbindc on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 03:41:33 PM EST
    From the SF Chronicle:

    Californians are left with a deeply unsatisfying choice for the U.S. Senate this year. The incumbent, Democrat Barbara Boxer, has failed to distinguish herself during her 18 years in office. There is no reason to believe that another six-year term would bring anything but more of the same uninspired representation. The challenger, Republican Carly Fiorina, has campaigned with a vigor and directness that suggests she could be effective in Washington - but for an agenda that would undermine this nation's need to move forward on addressing serious issues such as climate change, health care and immigration.

    It is extremely rare that this editorial page would offer no recommendation on any race, particularly one of this importance. This is one necessary exception.

    Boxer, first elected in 1992, would not rate on anyone's list of most influential senators. Her most famous moments on Capitol Hill have not been ones of legislative accomplishment, but of delivering partisan shots. Although she is chair of the Environment and Public Works Committee, it is telling that leadership on the most pressing issue before it - climate change - was shifted to Sen. John Kerry, D-Mass., because the bill had become so polarized under her wing.

    For some Californians, Boxer's reliably liberal voting record may be reason enough to give her another six years in office. But we believe Californians deserve more than a usually correct vote on issues they care about. They deserve a senator who is accessible, effective and willing and able to reach across party lines to achieve progress on the great issues of our times. Boxer falls short on those counts.

    Boxer's campaign, playing to resentment over Fiorina's wealth, is not only an example of the personalized pettiness that has infected too much of modern politics, it is also a clear sign of desperation.

    Hmmmm. Retribution for Boxer (none / 0) (#112)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 27, 2010 at 04:33:58 PM EST
    saying she won't vote for Prop. 19?  Amazing.