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    Announcing a crucial breakthrough (5.00 / 4) (#1)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 11:54:14 AM EST
    in the effort to create machines that accurately simulate human behavior, researchers at Carnegie Mellon University said Monday they had built the first robot with the capacity to suppress its emotions. "This is the holy grail of artificial intelligence," said project director Kate Tillman [...] "We felt we were on the right track when we brought up a personal shortcoming and it paced around the lab muttering, but when it started breaking eye contact and changing the subject, we knew we had accomplished something revolutionary."

    Any bets that it will clap, cheer, vote for the lesser of two evils in a hearbeat, and believe that democrats have emptied the swamp of congressional corruption, without using any cpu cycles at all?


    wow (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by CST on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:01:48 PM EST
    umm I totally believed this post.

    Damn you Onion news!


    Heh. Try (none / 0) (#4)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:03:07 PM EST
    the second link for something completely unbelievable.

    Good to see you edger (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:14:15 PM EST
    It's been a while.

    Thanks. (none / 0) (#8)
    by Edger on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:35:05 PM EST
    You too.

    meanwhile (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:55:51 PM EST
    back in the even more strange real world.

    Is this the world's creepiest robot? Japanese inventor develops the bald, legless Telenoid R1


    fly lashes (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 11:56:30 AM EST
    Next time include a WARNING for (none / 0) (#7)
    by coast on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:18:40 PM EST
    those of us who just ate.

    An investigation by PETA is warranted to determine just how the flies met their demise.


    heres another (none / 0) (#10)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:51:02 PM EST
    Eeeeewwwww (none / 0) (#13)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:53:18 PM EST
    I hope she sterilized those fly legs before she glued them on her lashes, given that flies can spread diseases (from WikiAnswers):

    food poisoning (e.g.. Campylobacter, Streptococci,
    Salmonella, Klebsiella, Chlamydia and so on...)
    lower respiratory infections
    urinary tract infections

    She doesn't look very germaphobic :) (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:55:16 PM EST
    A good case (none / 0) (#17)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:57:05 PM EST
    of dysentery might just change her mind.   ;-)

    Solar flare (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:15:13 PM EST
    headed our way.  It should produce some spectacular auroras very early tomorrow morning.

    I'll check the skies, but (none / 0) (#20)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:07:48 PM EST
    I'm much more interested in the potential satellite disruption and, with stronger storms to be expected during the solar maximum period (2012 or so), the potential destruction of much of our power grid system.

    The US House recently passed a bill, unanimously, to fund what I think would amount to surge protectors for the major transformers undergirding the grid, which tend to attract such solar energy disturbances like a lightning rod and, worse, can be destroyed by them.  Rebuilding them, or rather replacing them, could take months to years.  As usual, the House bill is wending its way slowly through the Senate, last I checked.


    It's official (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:14:29 PM EST
    I'm divorced. Two signatures, a fingerprint, and about $250. Sorry TL, didn't need a lawyer in Colombia!

    Ex and I are both relieved, and now I have official rights to my son.

    Ex and I have decided to remain friendly, even friends. Her brother and I are thick as thieves, so it's kind of necessary.

    Now time to look for a novia chula colombiana!

    Welll, it might be kind of soon for a novia, but that dental assistant is really cute...

    Maybe I should have married in Columbia. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:18:23 PM EST
    $250 per divorce is a real steal.

    divorce, dental work, (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:23:10 PM EST
    and tutoring my ADD seven year old in math, writing, and "The Adventures of Captain Underpants." To some, it might be a strange vacation, but par for the course in the Jeffinalabama family.

    My ex bro in law wants me to buy a lot next to his in the country so we can retire and have fun together.

    Not the average trip, I imagine.


    Welcome back... (none / 0) (#34)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:45:58 PM EST
    to the swinging bachelors club my good man...and good luck making that dental assistant your next ex-wife:)

    Is your son coming home to the states with ya?  Or should I ask, are you coming back to the states?


    Do I have to answer today, kdog? (none / 0) (#95)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 05:10:49 PM EST
    Sounds like the odds are shifting... (none / 0) (#114)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 09:13:54 AM EST
    towards a stay...oh boy I can relate:)

    congratulations (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:18:59 PM EST
    breath the free air my friend.

    More proof that is all about religion (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:29:08 PM EST
    Progressives and liberals tend to argue with conservatives on the merits of the policies....But this assumes that is about policy with conservatives.  I firmly believe that for most conservatives it is more about religion--that politics is an existential fight for them.

    Two recent articles from/re: intellectual conservatives support my argument.

    First, the LA Times from Sunday, entitled "From Neocons to Crazycons" by David Klinghoffer, who was the Literary Edito of Buckley's National Review in teh 1990s.  So, Klinghoffer has impeccaable credentials as a conservative intellectual.  And the title of his article is promising--about all those grubby nuts taking over the GOP.  

    But look at a couple of points he makes:

    When I was a college student in the late 1980s interviewing for an internship at National Review, Managing Editor Richard Brookhiser fixed me with a look and posed a question that might seem more natural in a religious than in a political context. "How did you become a conservative?" he asked.

    Evangelical Christians, curious about their fellow believers, will sometimes ask something similar: "How did you become a Christian?" Among conservatives, most of us too had "born again" stories, but they were political rather than religious. (Though sometimes our philosophical paths led to new religious paths as well: The first step on my own journey to Orthodox Judaism was to become a conservative.)

    Thus, this conservative intellectual describes the common nexus between relgious conversion--to a traditional religion, of the rulemonger and authoritarian stripe, I would submit.

    Also, look at Klinghoffers definition of conservatism:

    The idea of purpose in the cosmos was central to the conservative vision. Another icon on the right, Whittaker Chambers, described in his 1952 memoir, "Witness," the moment he awoke from his earlier communism: It was upon looking closely one day at his young daughter's ear. Noting the exquisite beauty, the evidence of "immense design" shook him. He could never again subscribe to the secular, materialist dream.

    When I became a conservative, that is what I signed up for: a profound vision granting transcendent significance to public life and hope in private life. The goal wasn't to defeat Democratic officeholders or humiliate left-wing activists. It was, and still is, with those who remember, to save civilization.

    See, Chambers became a conservative when he gave up being secular.  And, Klinhoffer's conservatism is a "transcendent vision."  Could it be put any stronger that conservative value abstract principle over real people?  

    The "dream" is more important than anything else.  This explains Reagan.  He descrbied the dream well--for this he was loved.  No  matter that the dreams wasn't true--he did negotiate with terrorists and trade arms for hostages,a nd he di raise taxes significantly at least twice.  the truth does not matter.  The dream does.

    Hence, Joe the Plumber who had no current chance or even the liklelihhod of ever being subject ot Obama's tax hike on the wealthy.  But Joe the Plumber had the dream, and that dream, as detached from reality as it was, is what matters--and one can hear any number of conservative thinkers nod in agreement that having the dream is more important than getting actual tax relief.

    This emphasis on the abstract and religious dream of transcendence leads to very different methods of thought.  It is inductive v. deductive reasoning.  Conservatives have the dream--the base assumption which they arrive at through mystical/religious sexperiences--and then they deduce how the rest of the world should be run.

    Progressives generally more often make an effort to use inductive reasoning.  They review the real world they see and try to make logical connections between related set of facts, as jondee put it here.  The scientific method.

    Conservatives fight very hard to protect their base assumptions from which they deduce how the world should be run.  Thus, Darwin and Climate Change are existential/religious threats that must be extinguished.

    And, here is the second quote from the prominent NeoCon thinker, Norman Podhoretz:

    Jeffers accepts this account but adds a surprising theological twist, telling us that in February 1970, Podhoretz experienced a mystical vision in the woods of upstate New York that convinced him "Judaism was true." Jeffers has difficulty explaining precisely what this revelation meant,

    Conservatives become conservative via a religious conversion.  Not just for the Christians, but for those Jewish Neocons as well.

    But I do not believe all religious belief and spiritual orientation leads to the conservative epiphany.  Just those who like Winston Smith see the beauty in authoritarianism, the rulemongers who need and crave certainty.

    So, it is not about politics with the conservatives, but defending their vision of the meaning of life.  Thus, validation from the government, and beating the progressives, and winning a cosmic battle against their own doubts, is all important.

    Do not believe that the political fight with conservative is about concrete policy.  This will explain much--as in how they can be deficit hawks and push for more tax cuts that even
    Republican Alan Greenspan says do not pay for themselves....And on and on.....

    Jed Bartlet (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:04:24 PM EST
    Said the very same thing in The West Wing

    The "dream" is more important than anything else.  This explains Reagan.  He descrbied the dream well--for this he was loved.  No  matter that the dreams wasn't true--he did negotiate with terrorists and trade arms for hostages,a nd he di raise taxes significantly at least twice.  the truth does not matter.  The dream does.

    Hence, Joe the Plumber who had no current chance or even the liklelihhod of ever being subject ot Obama's tax hike on the wealthy.  But Joe the Plumber had the dream, and that dream, as detached from reality as it was, is what matters--and one can hear any number of conservative thinkers nod in agreement that having the dream is more important than getting actual tax relief.

    From TWW (circa 2002):

    Bartlet : "It doesn't matter if most voters don't benefit, they all believe that someday they will. That's the problem with the American Dream, it makes everyone concerned for the day they're gonna be rich."

    Although he didn't equate it to religious conservatism.


    And Bob Dole (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:35:59 PM EST
    told Tweety that he did not believe in life after death.

    It was an off-the-cuff question, clear non sequitur, and Dole just answered.  It was after his 1996 run for the Presidency.

    Dole comes from the Midwesterner branch of conservatism.  Old fashion conservatives with a small "c;"  cautious, thrifty and respecting tradition.   One can actually have a discussion on the merits with such conservatives.  There are few of them left--and Dole did pander while still in the game.

    And, today's conservative religious types are the dogmatists, the rulemongers, the authoritarians.  They exist in every religion.  As do those who focus less on abstract rules and more on the core value of compassion--which underlies all the major religions.  Fear drives the authoritarians.

    Today's religious conservatives are the modern-day Pharisees.....And, if one is sincerely relgious from the compassion camp, it must be sad to see the authoritarians so tarnish the image of their belief system.  



    The rulemongers and (5.00 / 2) (#68)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:07:12 PM EST
    authoritarians are ascendant now because so many feel so disoriented by the accelerating pace of change.  Society is moving beneath their feet with daily earthquakes.....Computers, cell phones, gay marriage, time warp....

    Conservatives are afraid of how rapidly we are changing.  And they have a poet laureate.  Cormac McCarthy imo captures this angst so well.  

    Senator Tom Coburn during the Kagan confirmation hearings blurted out the most bizarre rant I have heard in a long time.  But, in translation, it makes perfect sense.

    Coburn, realizing that Kagan would be confirmed, asked her to consider those who feel that their freedoms are being taken away by big government.  He said almost tearfully, and very sincerely, that he personally felt that over the last 30 years his freedoms were being taken away.  

    Last 30 years?  Since 1980?  Since Ronald Reagan was elected?  Since the conservatives have been ascendant?  What freedoms has he lost in the last 30 years?

    Klobuchar really clobbered Coburn with a line of questions about women in the Senate and on the Court, in 1980 and the present.  That, has gone from none to some.

    But Coburn was sincere.  He has experienced something deeply troubling during the last 30 years--what was it?  The rapid change in society by technology, etc....Reagan's tax cuts didn't make him feel better.  Culture shock has consumed him.  

    Technology makes it harder to hide facts and believe in a dream of Father Knows Best and the idealized version of the 1950s that never existed.  

    So Coburn wasn't talking about federal government policy over the last 30 years--no, his side has won that debate over the last 30 years.....It is the culture wars.....But what is absolutely fascinating is how clueless Coburn was about this.  He really believes that over the last 30 years liberals have made the government erode his personal liberty.  

    With that lack of self-awareness, it is so easy to demagogue the issues.....    


    "Over the last thirty years.." (none / 0) (#75)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:56:23 PM EST
    roughly the amount of time since "big government taking our freedoms away" became one of the established GOP mantras..

    It's an idea which dovetails, again, with the belief that "for the people by the people" and checks and balances are pipe dreams -- it being always and only a choice between one form of authoritarianism or another. And of course, in the final analysis, might makes right. Or at least until Jesus comes back..


    Mmmm, not so sure (none / 0) (#110)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 11:14:03 PM EST
    this is new in the last 30 years.  I believe I heard the same anguished cries, or worse, during the '60s and '70s, especially over Civil Rights, the war on poverty, etc.

    Seems to me it's the conservative/authoritarians' perpetual existential angst.


    Yeah, that is why Coburn's (none / 0) (#126)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 01:42:40 PM EST
    "last 30 years" sounded so odd.  It is just a slogan--better suited to the 60s and 70s.

    But Coburn sounded so sincere--I am convinced he really believes it.....as indistinct an idea as it is.


    Coburn (none / 0) (#127)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 04:24:07 PM EST
    I want to say this very carefully.  Coburn does sound sincere about a lot of things.  I think his head is not screwed on entirely right.

    Who are you to tell me what religious (none / 0) (#64)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:52:07 PM EST
    conservatism is all about?

    a (none / 0) (#67)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:06:38 PM EST

    I rely on conservatives stated thoughts (none / 0) (#70)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:09:32 PM EST
    I refer to Podhoretz and Klinghoffer.....  Klinghoffer spells it out....

    And, just my opinion....

    If you disagree, in what regard?


    Oh come on, (none / 0) (#92)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:35:07 PM EST
    that sound you hear is the joke going over your head.

    Ah, give me a break and spell it (none / 0) (#94)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:58:02 PM EST
    out--I did miss it....

    OK, you, quite authoritarily, imo, (none / 0) (#105)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 07:07:43 PM EST
    gave us a treatise on authoritarians.

    You remember the 60'/70's era "Speak truth to power" which got the humorous response "Hey, who are you to tell me what to do?" or somesuch...


    The attempt to achieve clarity (none / 0) (#125)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 01:40:16 PM EST
    can come off that way....

    If you think about... (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:24:19 PM EST
    it is the same con since the beginning of time...eat sh*t now have-nots, and you'll be rewarded later.  The religions said you will inherit the kingdom of heaven for 10% today, the conservatives say it will surely come for you on earth tomorrow, provided you give me a tax cut and a no-bid contract today.

    It's a con thousands of years old and people still buy it....Jimmy Cliff will tell ya all about it.

    Well they tell me of a pie up in the sky
    Waiting for me when I die
    But between the day you're born and when you die
    They never seem to hear even your cry

    So as sure as the sun will shine
    I'm gonna get my share now of what's mine

    Well (none / 0) (#54)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:30:52 PM EST
    People have to have hope (or faith, if you will), otherwise, what's the point?  If you don't think you'll ever be rich, chances are good that you won't be.

    Dreams are good things, my friend.


    Yes... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:44:02 PM EST
    dreams are beautiful...those that will exploit the hopes and dreams of the downtrodden for personal gain, otoh, are ugly beats.

    To be fair...Marx, whether he knew it or not, was selling a con too.


    err... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:44:36 PM EST
    s/b ugly beasts.

    People will pay dearly to (none / 0) (#57)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:38:37 PM EST
    have the dream--even if it hurts them in the real world.....Conservatives prove that every day.

    Almost finished reading Helene Cooper's (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:40:17 PM EST
    memoir.  She is NYT writer.  Born in Liberia.  When she was in high school there, her uncle was executed on TV by coup led by a "Country People" staff sgt.  She is the descendant of freed slaves and other free black immigrants from U.S. before U.S. civil war.  The immigrants took over and were the "haves."  Those already in Liberia weren't happy, as many wanted to continue selling their countrymen into slavery.  Then the coup, after which the formely "have-nots" were now in charge and lived the same lavish livestyle as the former one-party government.  Very good book.  "The House at Sugar Beach: in Search of a Lost African Childhood."

    I don't doubt... (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:47:15 PM EST
    the tendency to con and exploit is a part of human nature.

    Pete Townsend taught me that one.

    Meet the new boss, same as the old boss.

    18 yr old has first job (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:38:21 PM EST
    My 18 year old son started his first ever job today.  He is working for a flooring company.  He's fighting it all the way.  I tell him he can go to school part-time when he's ready until he decides what to major in, he'll have money in his pocket, a trade is great to have because you can move anywhere with it etc.

    Our expectations? Do your own laundry, pick up your own dishes and food waste and get a job.  He got upset and called us effing a-holes, effing nags, he doesn't want to grow up you effers, stfu.  So how did I get my bundle of joy to get a job?  Well, I kicked his patootie out.  He was to go to work and left a 11:00 pm the night before and came home at 1:00 on a Monday afternoon to chained doors.  He called yesterday asking if he could come home... yes, if you do your laundry and go to work.  Tada!

    Congratulations to my son.  He makes minimum wage for his first four weeks, but he has an actual 'internship' with 6 mos increases and will make $30 at the end of his four years.

    old school (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:52:42 PM EST

    btw (none / 0) (#76)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:01:15 PM EST
    that was totally sincere.  that is what would have happened to me if I had done the same thing at the same age.

    that there is not enough of this is what is mostly wrong with the world IMO.


    Glad the tough love worked out... (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:53:45 PM EST
    W.P...I'd imagine it wasn't easy for ya.

    Lets hope your boy doesn't talk to the boss like that though!  

    30 bucks an hour after 4 years is a nice living if he sees it through, must be a union shop.


    We were sweating bullets (none / 0) (#79)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:09:51 PM EST
    Not much sleeping going on (though we knew he was safe staying with friends and relatives) waiting to see if he was going to jump on board and wondering 'what next' if we couldn't connect with him.

    glad to hear it worked out (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by CST on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:12:52 PM EST
    tough love and all.  He'll be thankfull for it in... maybe 20 years :)

    On behalf of campuses everywhere (none / 0) (#81)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:11:44 PM EST
    I wish that we would see more students opting to wait a while -- although I will say that I would not hold anyone to having to have a major so soon.  High schoolers have no idea of the hundreds of majors that await them, and the first years of college are a time to explore them.  Frankly, I worry more about the closed minds of the frosh who come to campus knowing exactly what they want to do, the ones not open to all of the opportunities for study.  Plus, of course, most college graduates today are not working in the field in which they majored -- in part because so many new majors have been created in this incredible era.  And more new majors and minors and interdisciplinary certificates and such are emerging all of the time. . . .

    All that said, I wish that I had been able to counter the other parent and the peer pressure to convince my own progeny to wait a year or two before starting college.  It would have worked out a lot better than stopping out for more than a year or two during their loooooong college careers.  When they came back with more maturity, the difference was (and is, for one who soared to Dean's List) remarkable.  

    So stand firm on requiring maturity . . . if perhaps not exactly requiring a major?  Just a thought, but you know best what your progeny needs along the lines of those patootie kicks.  


    whenever I am asked (none / 0) (#89)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:23:16 PM EST
    I always tell people to wait a bit.  take some time.
    hard to do at that age.  I wish I had done that.  it would have avoided several years of floundering.

    About time for a major (none / 0) (#91)
    by waldenpond on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:30:23 PM EST
    He's pretty sure he wants to be a psychologist, he's mentioned it for about 3 years now.  He's in an odd spot academically.... he started taking college classes at 14 (went to traditional HS to have the senior year experience) and has his GE done but he's just not going to study at this stage of the game.  But I agree with you, when he's ready, I would encourage him to spread out to see how his interests match his skills.

    CC, I agree. (none / 0) (#96)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 05:12:57 PM EST
    Too many undecided teens with helicopter parents wanting a doctor, lawyer, einstein or davinci.

    Ah, the copter parents at least (none / 0) (#100)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 05:35:51 PM EST
    do not plague us as much in the statie schools as in the privates.  Honestly, some of the calls that my spousal unit gets amaze us.  And wouldn't it be easier for us if every campus similarly interpreted FERPA, our great line of defense?  How can the same law be said to mean so many different things at our campuses?  But I come from a campus where the lawyers have a fortress mentality, so I feed my spouse the interpretation he needs to send those hovering parental units back to base.

    Btw, for marvelous tales of copter parents and other campus funnies, I am enjoying the Chronicle of Higher Ed's "favorite student emails" site; do you know it?  It's hysterical -- and so affirming that campuses everywhere have the same minority of students who generate the majority of work with similar excuses, the same tendency to address us as "Hey You" or "Yo Prof," and chronic inability at time management.  I rarely have had such good laffs . . . until I turn to my own email, of course.


    i have to find that (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 05:39:39 PM EST
    site on the Chronicle. I'm lucky that we have a bunker mentality concerning FERPA also.

    we dont go outside (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:53:48 PM EST

        Feels Like: 116°

    and that is not a dry heat

    ew (none / 0) (#80)
    by CST on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:11:30 PM EST
    i want to go outside.  for some reason there has been almost no humidity this past week (well 54% now which for boston is pretty low).  rare for a summer around here which is usually quite gross.

    83 feels like 85.

    unfortunately I am not enjoying the weather.  GRRRRR I hate being gimpy.  I really, really, hate being gimpy.  Way too impatient for this cr@p.  On a day like today I would prob be taking the 2 hour walk home instead of public transit.

    Some schadenfreude over the fact that tommorow it's supposed to be cr@ppy out.


    heh (none / 0) (#83)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:12:43 PM EST
    this is what old age feel like.

    (so they tell me:-)


    right there wit' ya on the gimp. (none / 0) (#97)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 05:13:49 PM EST
    Hope it heals fast.

    right there wit' ya on the gimp. (none / 0) (#98)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 05:14:17 PM EST
    Hope it heals fast.

    on this (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:11:48 PM EST
    we do (none / 0) (#93)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:35:53 PM EST
    currently a sunny warmish 70 with a nice very light breeze coming off the bay . . . {grin}

    No, I'm not missing NYC summers AT ALL!!


    Been real nice lately... (none / 0) (#115)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 09:26:00 AM EST
    but that heat wave we had was a pretty brutal brand of muggy...still beats the winter though!

    today (none / 0) (#119)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 09:52:49 AM EST
    just like yesterday

    heat index of around 115


    that would be a temp (none / 0) (#120)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 10:01:10 AM EST
    of 101 with 72% humidity.

    and that is in the shade of course.


    My father (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:03:54 PM EST
    Was a consultant to various courts and also school systems. He was one cool cucumber, a real Gandhi......except:

    When it came to schools forcing everyone and anyone into college prep curricula. He never understood why the trades weren't taught in high schools. I mean, what is it with the notion that simply because a student has a decent aptitude he/she must go to college.

    Doesn't the drop out rate register with these  administrators? How many happy, fulfilled, and well prepared kids would we have if future machinists, tool makers, electricians, etc. were graduated alongside future engineers, teachers, and dentists?

    We've got a bunch of teachers here at TL; any ideas?

    Cruel joke (1.00 / 1) (#106)
    by Rojas on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 09:25:21 PM EST
    Teach a kid to be a CNC operator but don't tell 'em the country has decided it's better politics to hire the first wetback that will hit the cycle start button for five bucks and change an hour.

    And we don't make tools here anymore. We import 'em from Asia for a nickel to 25 cents on the dollar. But rest assured there's a fair amount of business in repair and straighting out the mess the bean counter with the degree in business administration who runs operations just bought. No doubt about it, tool repair has a future, for a while.

    Electrician is not a bad choice. At least in that field there is enough regulation that every Pedro with a pair of dikes can't pull a permit.

    Of course the reality is if you're going to make a living on the shop floor these days you better be a machinist who is proficient in tool repair with a good grasp controls and the ability to diagnose and repair electrical, mechanical, pneumatic and hydraulic systems.


    "Wetback"? (5.00 / 1) (#107)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 09:27:44 PM EST
    Hmm. That's telling.

    Yech (none / 0) (#111)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 11:18:14 PM EST
    this dropout (none / 0) (#78)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:08:08 PM EST
    had a pretty good future in technology.
    college is completely over rated.   but I accept that it helps get a job.  it shouldnt but it does.

    I have been meaning to ask you (none / 0) (#85)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:14:06 PM EST
    if you are familiar with the college major or certificate or something in video game design at De Paul, as it is near you in Chitown?  A young relative is heading there in fall and very excited about such studies.  I am floored but fascinated by the thought that this is a college major or whatever!

    oh sure (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:20:01 PM EST
    most of our new hires now are degree holders.  we (they) smartly dont take it that seriously.  nothing prepares someone for production but production but Im sure that it is probably as good as most.  
    and it will help him get in the door.

    yeah.  a degree in video games.  that would have been a punch line in the 80's.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#87)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:19:43 PM EST
    My Russian Jewish great aunt felt the same way. She learned beauty culture, started a school, hooked into the GI bill and then got all the NYC high schools involved in sending her students who were interested in a vocation rather than college.

    She made a fortune without ever thinking of it as anything other than a way to help out kids that were not cut out for college.

    Revlon eventually bought the school which, at the time, was the largest beauty school on the east coast.

    Seems like a big FDR style GI bill, and grants to set up vocational training schools would be perfect for now.


    The BP gusher (5.00 / 1) (#102)
    by KeysDan on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 06:03:48 PM EST
    is the world's largest release of oil into marine waters according to the Incident Command's Flow Rate Technical Group led by the National Geological Survey Director, Marcia McNutt and a team of engineers and scientists. The group was allowed  access to the wellhead just prior to the temporary capping on July 15. Based on data obtained from newly available pressure readings, 4.9 million barrels of oil were "spilled" and about 800,000 barrels recaptured since the first containment cap was installed.

    The group estimated that 53,000 barrels oil was pouring into the sea just before capping on July 15, and the daily flow rate had diminished over time starting at about 62,000 barrels a day. The group was empaneled after skeptics questioned the earlier estimates. Shortly after the April 20 blow, BP and federal officials initially claimed that no oil was leaking, then daily barrels were said to be 1,000, then 5000, then 12,000-19,000, then 20,000-40,000, then 35,000-60,000.  The Ixtoc i spill in 1979 into the Bay of Campeche is a runner up, with an estimated 3.3 million barrels spilled. So, we are number one.

    Oil in the Gulf. Just a little risk now. (5.00 / 1) (#113)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 11:36:07 PM EST
    NOAA has released a report stating that they believe the remaining oil in the Gulf poses only a small risk. Here is the NY Times story.

    I like Jane Lubchenko (head of NOAA). She's from Oregon State U. and has a good reputation. Still, I don't trust the feds on this. This new report brings to mind Christy Todd Whitman proclaiming the air in New York, post 9/11, as safe to breath. Is NOAA the EPA of this oil spill disaster? I just don't know.

    NOAA grossly underestimated the extent of the flow in the early days, largely, I believe, because they trusted BP's numbers. Are the numbers for this new report coming from a reputable source? The report was just released tonight. I expect we will hear responses and comments from the scientific and environmental groups sometime tomorrow, after they've had time to study this report.


    Casey, among the (5.00 / 1) (#116)
    by KeysDan on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 09:28:12 AM EST
    concentric tragedies to the central blowout, is the loss of confidence in the governmental agencies, from the Department of Interior, its rogue child, MMS, the Coast Guard (a particularly sad case), the FDA, and NOAA. NOAA was very slow in moving its large research vessel into the Gulf.  Dr. Lubchenko is a very respected scientist, but it seems her loyalties to Secretary Salazar may be affecting her independent judgment.  It was NOAA, who in concert with BP, down played the size of the spill and, subsequently, also in step with BP,denied that there were undersea oil plumes. After the University of South Florida researchers confirmed the plumes, NOAA changed its tune.  

    NOAA explained that it needed to analyze data, and that it takes time.  These scientists do not rush into conclusions, they claim, yet the well has not been killed (only a temporary cap, with static kill and bottom kill still in the works) and this report of "scant risk" is released.  The next report, of course, will be that Salazar will lift the moratorium.


    I agree, dan (5.00 / 1) (#128)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 08:52:20 PM EST
    It is so sad to watch people who are respected in their fields just throw their credibility to the wind when politics enters the picture. I fear you are correct about Lubchenko letting loyalty to Salazar cloud her judgement.

    And the Coast Guard? Their credibility has been severely damaged. Why would anyone ever believe them again?


    Who am I to disagree (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 06:26:59 PM EST
    with ex VA Gov Doug Wilder, who argues in favor of Obama shaking things up and replacing Biden with Hillary for the 2012 ticket.  Joe can take Hillary's job at State where he wanted to go initially, according to some reports.

    Certainly if the economy is still in the doldrums by this time in 2012, it would have to be a major option as team Obama nervously surveys the political terrain and contemplates needing a game changer.  Hillary could firm up the Dem base, bring back some women, and help with indies.

    I'm a skake-things-up kinda guy.  Biden hasn't been a disaster -- like Lyndon was as VP for Kennedy -- but he may not help the ticket as much as HRC could in a potentially dicey re-elect year.    

    In Real American sports news... (none / 0) (#9)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:45:57 PM EST
    ...it must be football season when ESPN is going nuts over a report that Bret Farve is retiring...

    And I'm sure oculus is thrilled with Timmy Tebow's signing with Jockey!

    move over (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:53:52 PM EST

    Home schooled in their underwear with cameras :) (none / 0) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:51:11 PM EST
    It takes them awhile to catch up but they finally get the

    Tim Tebow in his unders (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:52:19 PM EST

    He would go commando. (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by republicratitarian on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:07:58 PM EST
    Draped. see Crucifixion. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:12:32 PM EST
    Don't give Tim any ideas (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:12:45 PM EST
    for a new line of underwear. 'Modesty drapes - my savior and yours'

    This is a tough economy (none / 0) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:29:37 PM EST
    You and I should just start manufacturing them now.  You can't believe what Christians will pay for new Christianish stuff.  Highly exploitable market :)

    I'm thinking there must be a new Halloween costume company out there too called WWJDWear.  Fight the pagans with the three wise men.


    that would really be great (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:40:35 PM EST
    I would love to take their money for something so silly.

    can we expect under-"vestments" (none / 0) (#15)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:54:47 PM EST
    with biblical quotes on them now?

    Does his mom know he's (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:00:39 PM EST
    taking his clothes off for money?  This story just cracks me up.  Sexy evangelicals photographed "saving it".  You too could look this sexy while saving it as well :)

    He's still doing the eye black... (none / 0) (#51)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:23:02 PM EST
    ...as evidenced by the latest edition of 5280.  Article by Will Leitch even.

    I'll believe it... (none / 0) (#18)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 12:59:40 PM EST
    when the regular season opens...for all I know Favre is just trying to dodge the dog days of camp again.

    I'm preoccupied with waiting for Mr. Johnson & Johnson to cut the damn check payable to Mr. Darrelle Revis, and to take any gripes about it up with a Mr. Al Davis.


    Now (none / 0) (#47)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:15:06 PM EST
    If Favre would just pose on his underwear .....  ;)

    Rather "in his underwear" (none / 0) (#48)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:15:57 PM EST
    He can stand on whatever he wants,

    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:19:59 PM EST
    but standing on the underwear would be a much more interesting ad

    I'm with you, kdog, and so is (none / 0) (#86)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:15:48 PM EST
    much of Wisconsin, where we are greeting the nooz of yet ANOTHER retirement by the Brett as ho-hum.

    The sewage system is getting bigger headlines here.


    The Sewage System (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 06:59:43 PM EST
    in Wisconsin? Or the sewage system that is Brett Favre retirement announcements?

    Who does he think he is? Levi Johnston? (none / 0) (#22)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:11:37 PM EST
    "Staycool collection."  Did you know there are competitions to be male underwear models--at least in Milan.  

    Do tell (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:12:04 PM EST
    Oh, puhlease. I was off seeing (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by oculus on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:33:38 PM EST
    da Vinci's "The Last Supper," or what's left of it.  

    All the local sports media (none / 0) (#24)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:12:13 PM EST
    can talk about in this area is Albert Haynesworth flunking his "conditioning test" a couple of times, and then failing to appear for a couple more tests because of a "sore knee."  Haynesworth has basically been acting like a spoiled brat because he wants to be traded, but OTOH, how many times does a defensive lineman ever have to run 300 yards?  Even in 25-yard increments?  He's also sitting on $21 million, so I suppose he can "limp" all the way to the bank (although rumor has it that the 'Skins may be looking at ways to get the signing bonus back).  At any rate, I'm getting tired of all the "All-Haynsworth-All-the-Time" sports news around here.

    Pains me to say... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:58:39 PM EST
    but I'm with management on this one...for that kinda bank if they want you to play the nose in the 3-4, you play the nose in the 3-4.  This isn't a case of a player grossly underpaid like my man Revis...suck it up and play ball Albert.

    I have to agree (none / 0) (#46)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:13:42 PM EST
    As I said, he's been acting like a spoiled brat, and he needs to shape up and start earning those big bucks.

    He's not going to modeling undergarments (none / 0) (#41)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:10:05 PM EST
    for Haines at that rate. I can see the ad campaign - Are you Haines-worthy?

    Badumpum! (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:12:21 PM EST
    "Thank you, thank you folks.  Ruffian will be here all week.  Don't forget to tip your waiter."

    Try the veal! (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:20:30 PM EST
    Sobering article from (none / 0) (#27)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:14:54 PM EST
    Greg Mitchell today re Hiroshima (65th anniv this Fri) and the first Hollywood movie to deal with it.  Appalling behind-the-scenes intervention by the Truman admin to change the original, more factually accurate and somewhat anti-bomb flavor of the film into a pro-Bomb flick that would be more suitable to HST and the cold warriors in the Pentagon.

    Be sure to also watch the scary and hilarious MGM-US Gov't propaganda piece/trailor put together to promote the film.  

    hello cthulhu (none / 0) (#32)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:42:18 PM EST
    you may have heard of him.  he is the offspring of cthulhu and hello kitty.

    meet him in real life.

    his (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:43:07 PM EST
    Remember the bumper stickers (none / 0) (#99)
    by jeffinalabama on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 05:21:06 PM EST
    'Vote Cthulhu. Why settle for the lesser evil?"

    BTD, what you probably don't know (none / 0) (#35)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:46:37 PM EST
    is that when Contador won Tour de France in 2009, standing proudly on the podium waiting for the Spanish National Anthem, his face slowly took on an air of bewilderment: What they were playing wasn't the Spanish but the Danish national anthem!

    Embarrassing then, but kind of funny now - as if it was a premonition of things to come. ;)

    And Saxo Bank is not a new sponsor. They just decided to continue one more year, together with Sungard, a software and IT services company. (Why they call themselves something that sounds like a sunprotection formula, I'll never know.)

    The Schleck brothers are leaving Bjarne Riis to join a new team from Luxembourg, led by one of BJ's former sports directors.

    Make that (none / 0) (#36)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 01:47:59 PM EST
    "one of BR's ..."

    Saxo old sponsor (none / 0) (#40)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:04:58 PM EST
    Sungard new sponsor but Saxo was supposed to be out and a new secret sponsor (specialized imo) was supposed to be in.

    Heh, just realized (none / 0) (#63)
    by Nemi on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:48:13 PM EST
    I misread you.

    Actually Sungard is not a new sponsor - guess they're just loosening the purse-strings so to speak, so in the future the name of the team will be Saxo Bank Sungard.

    Also, Contador and Riis have plans for Contador to win all three of the big races in one year. If not next year then 2012. Exciting!


    Target (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:10:39 PM EST
    "IT'S PROPHESIED" (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:11:50 PM EST
    (End Times Anthem)

    just wow

    its catchy.  

    Here's another doozy... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 02:52:46 PM EST
    from the NYPD...they almost gave this guy a death sentence for putting his foot up on a seat on the subway to give himself his insulin injection.

    Even forgetting the diabetes angle for a sec...30 hours cage time for a foot on a seat?  Seriously?  

    Oh well, whats another 6-7 figure check to cover for these a-holes in blue...it's not like the city has money problems or anything.

    Blago updates plz (none / 0) (#66)
    by abdiel on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:00:11 PM EST

    Lawsuit Challenging Administration (none / 0) (#69)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 03:08:52 PM EST
    on Legal Representation for Terror Suspects

    I have not read it yet but I am told the complaint is rather stunning.

    Add the Center for Constitutional Rights to Glen Beck's $hitlist of ACLU, Tides Foundation, et al. They and the ACLU are suing the US government for limiting their ability to represent the American citizen who is on the government's assassination list.

    BTW BTD... (none / 0) (#90)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 04:29:29 PM EST
    ...pro cycling is coming back to Colorado next year.  

    The eight-day race, scheduled for next August, will be announced at a Wednesday morning news conference on the state capitol steps. And the event will get a celebrity push from seven-time Tour De France champion Lance Armstrong. He announced on Twitter this morning that he will join Ritter for the announcement.

    As someone who remembers the glory days of the Red Zinger, it is about time.  

    All sugar... (none / 0) (#112)
    by desertswine on Tue Aug 03, 2010 at 11:33:12 PM EST
    is not equal...  lay off the fructose.

    Costco has Cokes from Mexico, they still use real sugar, and they taste surprisingly mucho better.

    I second that... (none / 0) (#118)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 09:40:51 AM EST
    ain't nothing like the real thing...sugar is no exception.

    CA Prop 8 (none / 0) (#117)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 09:40:50 AM EST
    Vote wasn't nearly as close as the numbers appeared:

    Immediately after Proposition 8 passed, many who supported same-sex marriage tried to make sense of the results. A set of assumptions gained wide acceptance. Some are correct. Most, however, are just plain wrong. And it's crucial that we know what happened in the last election before launching another attempt to legalize marriage for all.


    After the election, a misleading finding from exit polls led many to blame African Americans for the loss. But in our new analysis, it appears that African Americans' views were relatively stable. True, a majority of African Americans opposed same-sex marriage, but that was true at the beginning and at the end of the campaign; few changed their minds in the closing weeks.

    The shift, it turns out, was greatest among parents with children under 18 living at home -- many of them white Democrats.

    The numbers are staggering. In the last six weeks, when both sides saturated the airwaves with television ads, more than 687,000 voters changed their minds and decided to oppose same-sex marriage. More than 500,000 of those, the data suggest, were parents with children under 18 living at home. Because the proposition passed by 600,000 votes, this shift alone more than handed victory to proponents.


    Another misconception was that those who voted for Proposition 8 were motivated by hate. This does not describe most of the 687,000 who changed their minds in the closing weeks. After all, they supported same-sex marriage before the opposition peeled them away. Yes, they turned out to be susceptible to an appeal based on anti-gay prejudice. But they were frightened by misinformation. No on 8's one TV ad that directly responded to the fear-mongering helped assuage some of the fear, but it was too little, too late.


    Polling suggests that half a million people who opposed same-sex marriage mistakenly voted against the proposition. They were confused by the idea that a "no" vote was actually a vote for gay marriage. This "wrong-way voting" affected both sides, but overwhelmingly it helped the "no" side. Our analysis suggests that the division among California voters on same-sex marriage at the time of Proposition 8 was actually 54% to 46% -- not so close. We are actually 1 million votes away from being able to reverse Proposition 8.

    speaking of which (none / 0) (#122)
    by CST on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 10:13:32 AM EST
    Decision time coming:

    "A federal judge in California is expected to issue his ruling Wednesday on whether the state's voter-approved ban on same-sex marriage is unconstitutional."

    This article suggests that it will most likely be ruled unconstitutional (at least both side's lawyers think so).  Than it is on to the 9th Circuit and possibly the supremes.


    live coverage (none / 0) (#123)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 10:15:13 AM EST
    take pride in your privates (none / 0) (#121)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 10:08:13 AM EST
    Despite past statements by federal agencies such as the TSA that images from body scanners were not and could not be saved or recorded, a government agency has admitted to storing approximately 35,000 body scan images, CNET reports.

    According to CNET, "U.S. Marshals Service admitted this week that it had surreptitiously saved tens of thousands of images recorded with a millimeter wave system at the security checkpoint of a single Florida courthouse."

    this could be interesting (none / 0) (#124)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 04, 2010 at 10:53:42 AM EST
    Wyclef Jean to Run for President of Haiti

    Hip-hop, more than most pop genres, is something of a pulpit, urban fire and brimstone garbed in baggy pants and backward caps. So it's little wonder that one of the music form's icons, Haitian-American superstar Wyclef Jean, is the son of a Nazarene preacher -- or that he likens himself, as a child of the Haitian diaspora, to a modern-day Moses, destined to return and lead his people out of bondage.