Will The ADL Issue A Statement On Glenn Beck's "I Have A Dream" Speech?

Via Steven D. at Booman Tribune, is Glenn Beck giving a speech at the Lincoln Memorial on the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I Have A Dream Speech" "sensitive" to the concerns of African Americans? Will Abe Foxman of the ADL think that Beck should not do this? I mean, people are upset:

[Glenn] Beck's "Restoring Honor" rally, with former vice presidential candidate Sarah Palin among the scheduled speakers, will take place on the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, 47 years to the day after Martin Luther King Jr. delivered his famous "I Have a Dream" speech there.

[. . .] Civil rights leaders have denounced Beck's plans, questioning his motives for choosing the date and place, which they said are historically symbolic of the country's civil rights movement.

Maybe Beck should move to a site a few blocks away. I mean, if he was interested in not offending people and creating unity. Will Foxman and the ADL be releasing a statement urging Beck to take into account the feelings of African Americans?

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    I think (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:41:48 PM EST
    5 miles would probably be acceptable.

    I'm thinking, (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Zorba on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:10:03 PM EST
    Maybe more like 5,000 miles.  

    Yes, I do think we should evaluate (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:42:15 PM EST
    all First Amendment activities to make sure they are not offending anyone by the content of what they say....

    you know (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:44:04 PM EST
    I almost think they are doing it to BE provocative

    Beck is a very good rodeo clown (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:55:13 PM EST
    Heh (none / 0) (#4)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:45:28 PM EST
    Well you know (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by CST on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:47:22 PM EST
    there were some white people who did some pretty bad things to some black people - and last I checked Glenn Beck and Sarah Palin are white.

    Have they stood up against and apologized for the extremists in their midst?  Where is the money coming from to fund this?  Have we looked into that?  How do we know they aren't supported by white supremacists?  After all, they are white.

    Fox is own by a Wahhabist (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:51:59 PM EST
    No kidding.

    Yes (none / 0) (#16)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:04:23 PM EST
    A Saudi Prince is the major shareholder at 7%, Murdoch wants to  let him run things...

    he could have some swell (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:52:08 PM EST
    conversations with the Reverend Moon over at the Washington Times, I bet..

    Just Saw This (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:58:55 PM EST
    I doubt all those Fox news patriots know that the same News Corp that's owned by a Wahhabist Saudi prince just donated a million dollars to the Republican party. Of course they'll never find out because the only network they watch is the same terrorist funded network that's doing it.


    Seems to me that by taking the cool mil, they are disgracing the victims of 9/11, pouring salt on the open wound of all who are traumatized by muslim terrorists, and F'ING HYPOCRITES.

    This hypocrisy would make a great ad, but the Dems would never do it because they would not want to hurt the feelings of the Saudi Prince, he is the richest person in the world...


    This is big news to me... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:04:53 PM EST
    Fox owned by Saudi tyrants and "loyal to the crown and not the constitution" Murdoch?  Wow...maybe some of the same money behind Park 51 is behind Hannity and Beck...and the Fox Studios sharing an island with Ground Zero...the horror!!!

    never hurt the feelings (none / 0) (#71)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:26:52 PM EST
    of the richest person in world..

    The eleventh commandment..And first one of both U.S major political parties.


    I'm lost completely . . . (none / 0) (#74)
    by Untold Story on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 06:18:25 PM EST
    Is Beck for real going to make a restoring honor speech on the anniversary of the Civil Rights Movement?

    How would he get access to a historical site on such a meaningful date?

    Who owns Fox News - is it only a small percentage by the Saudi prince?

    Also, what is about Hannity (a wild rooster) and space in Freedom Tower?

    Beck is a little off, imo, not quite centered, inasmuch as Hannity is obsessed with himself and his own ideas.

    What a group, Beck, Palin, Hannity, Newt, Rush, and, perhaps, Lou Dobbs will even make an appearance.

    Makes one wonder why anyone should worry about 2012 and Obama's second term.


    We need campaign reform (none / 0) (#75)
    by Untold Story on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 06:20:00 PM EST
    white supremacists? (none / 0) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:53:21 PM EST
    actually I think they are pretty up front about that part.

    last night Olberman gave a messianic shout out to Beck in worsts

    A military charity was heavily involved (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:02:27 PM EST
    They have backed way off now due to pressure from the military and many military pitching a giant fit, I think they are only hosting the breakfast now because they cannot guarantee that this speaking event can remain "apolitical".  This is big money though all the way around.

    It is supposed to remain apolitical though, I wanted to go test that.


    God, do we have to talk about this? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 01:56:38 PM EST
    I have made phone calls and looked into filing an I.G. complaint.  Unfortunately SOWF (a military charity involved in this) has dotted and crossed what needed dotted and crossed.

    I need no fecking Honor restored however.  I plan to make that immensely clear.  This Restoring Honor grossfest has been on my own personal radar for a long time now.  An Air Force spouse was reporting on it months back.  I thought about attending but something else came up and I've taken that as a "sign" to stay out of it.  I'd probably get the crap beat out of me there or something :)

    What lost honor are they supposedly (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:00:40 PM EST
    restoring? I have not heard of this until now.

    Who knows (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:14:59 PM EST
    SOWF orginally became "involved" in the first stages of this whole deal they claim because a wounded special forces soldier asked Glenn Beck to become involved with the charity when Beck told him he would do anything for him.  Beck was visiting wounded soldiers at Walter Reed when this took place.

    SOWF supplies scholarships to the children of special forces soldiers who are wounded or killed.  I think they also provide funds for soldier retraining when a special forces soldier is wounded.

    I have spoken with them on the phone though, and they are wingers to the hilt.  They love Beck, but made claims to my face that what they truly desire is only to get some good funding for their charity.  I call bull, but that is only an opinion.  A whole bunch of AF officers too run this, makes me gag....people who never saw the whites of their eyes before they sent them to the other side, all hung up on their fabulous patriotism....gag....retch....gag...another beef that keeps coming up for me in my life.  Not to smear the AF, just certain retired officers who never saw the blood and guts and put it all together to make one big one, people who can endlessly afford to be noble patriots till they die a nice quiet death due only to old age.  The same people who will endlessly question PTSD too, as if they would or could ever have a clue.  The kinder gentler military seeking cush administrative positions to gush from.


    I know a couple of AF retirees like that too (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:41:42 PM EST
    I understand you completely, though am obviously not as immersed in it as you.  

    Sounds like a good cause held hostage to its advocates.


    I'll add, if it needs saying, (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:05:57 PM EST
    that I like you know plenty of wonderful retired and active also!!!

    SOWF also is operating (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:23:02 PM EST
    under a special charter granted to them by the Sec of Def that allows them access to my families records and allows them to be posted on dot gov websites and government publications.  They MUST remain apolitical.  How apolitical do you think this bull$h*t is going to be?  But Beck says it will be apolotical, and all the participants have been told this is apolotical.

    I'm so pi$$ed I can't spell apolitical (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:26:42 PM EST
    with any sort of consistent accuracy.  How sad.  My honor is restored.

    I'm retired USAF with 85% in joint assignments. (none / 0) (#59)
    by BTAL on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:47:43 PM EST
    I won't talk bad about the other services, even the few bad apples that I encountered in each.  Each has their own mission and responsibilities.  My son-in-law, an Army SF team member (who just returned 10 days ago from his, have lost count deployment) has an AF controller on the ground with him.  He recognizes what each service brings to the table, even that blue suiter there with him at the pointy end of the sword.

    Blah blah blah (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 08:49:24 PM EST
    But a bunch of inflated ex AF desk jockeys have set the whole country up for a swingfest.  And they know it, they've been told by more than just me but we'll have to sit back and let this playout.  Fine, I can do that but let me just say right here and now  I TOLD YA SO!  The worst sort of out of their minds, wingnutty, I used to wear a uniform and I was somebody.  I really don't care what you like and don't like from me on the topic of who has dealt with the death and wholesale destruction and who hides in the rear and dies the "perfect patriot forever and ever" in some nursing home after they spent most of their lives running some wingnutty military charity.  No jonesing park benches EVAH for this crowd of brave and fearless patriots running alongside this Glenn Beck show.  You'd have to have a few scars for that.

    I wasn't commenting on Beck or (none / 0) (#83)
    by BTAL on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:31:49 AM EST
    the charity that you mention.

    It is the rant against other services.  Guess the Navy with their Mediterranean  pleasure cruises and port calls in Athens, Rome, etc. are also slackers.

    Does that mean the Marines are also the harder core killers because they storm the beaches?

    Smearing any service is wrong.


    Isn't asking Glenn Beck to restore your honor (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:03:26 PM EST
    a little like asking Wilt Chamberlain to restore your virginity?

    The only way I can restore my own (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:24:45 PM EST
    honor after this is by purchasing some Glenn Beck portrait toilet paper.

    Right after the Museum of Tolerance opens (5.00 / 4) (#28)
    by steviez314 on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:24:04 PM EST
    its Sean Hannity Pavillion.

    Great Comparison, BTW (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:50:18 PM EST
    Right to the point....  f'ing hypocrites

    That there are people in this country who (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:59:39 PM EST
    will see Glenn Beck as an appropriate voice for honor only speaks to their stupidity; millions more will see the irony of Beck's stunt: an unabashed bigot standing on the steps where MLK, Jr. once spoke, and which honors Abraham Lincoln, invoking the flag, using wounded soldiers as props, and paying lip service to character, will never put him anywhere close to being in the same league.

    And I think the counter-rally is not such a great idea, either; there is too much to be done and too many issues to address to waste time having pi$$ing contests with people like Beck, Palin and others.  The right-wing will use it, predictably, to make their points, and Fox will showcase the organizers and attendees in the worst possible way.  And for what?  To rally their own, of course.

    They've set the hook, and now, we're biting.  Again.  I wish I could pick lotto numbers this easily.

    believe it or not (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:13:57 PM EST
    FOX is not the only news network.  there are others.
    and I am quite lost in the argument that there should not be a counter protest because FOX will present it in a bad light.  

    Yes, dear, I'm aware of the fact (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Anne on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:26:33 PM EST
    that Fox is not the only network, but I believe I also stated that they would be using the counter-rally to stir up their own - see how that works?

    If you are lost, it is only because you like to take short cuts through people's thoughts, and that usually sends you in the wrong direction.

    Do you seriously think that Beck and whoever else is part of his event are going to say or do anything that won't be just dripping with literal and rhetorical symbols of patriotism, that won't be all God-country-mom-and-apple-pie, and that it won't stand in stark contrast to the counter-event, which will somehow end up being more about Dems/liberals don't understand what the 1st Amendment means, or Dems don't care about honoring our heroes of armed conflict wounded in service of freedom?

    The anti-Beck event just plays right into the right-wing agenda - I will not watch it play out because 8/28 is my birthday and I think I might have something better to do that day.

    But seriously, get a GPS, man - you really need one, and bad.


    you seem to have (none / 0) (#49)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:32:33 PM EST
    not only swallowed hook line and sinker but the rod and reel along with the fisherman

    Dear? (none / 0) (#50)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:35:04 PM EST
    I guess we are all human after all...

    bait (none / 0) (#54)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:39:00 PM EST
    and lame bait at that

    Lame As It Is (none / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:45:39 PM EST
    At least it is a bit more direct than usual.  

    I sometimes (none / 0) (#63)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:59:08 PM EST
    have that effect

    Dear mom (none / 0) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 09:31:21 PM EST
    It is the people attracted to this event and determined to show up that are the powder keg, not Glenn Beck :)  They will bring their ugly signs too, and then the real ugly will begin.

    I think I agree that full coverage of (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:08:53 PM EST
    Beck in his own words pulling his obvious stunt is as effective as any counter-rally.

    I dont (none / 0) (#70)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:13:15 PM EST
    she is right about one thing.  they will all be wrapped in flags.

    Thank you for your words Anne (none / 0) (#78)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 09:27:28 PM EST
    I need the sage words of mother.  I was originally going to go only to record the event on video, because there is no way this is going to be apolitical.  This is a tea party event held in the name of restoring honor to our wounded soldiers......who never lost their honor that I'm aware of.

    I would have likely gotten the crap beaten out of me though so it is good I have "dog stuff" to do.  I could cancel, but I take it as a sign.

    It isn't just angry military though because the rules about apoliticalness are being blatantly and vilely broken (don't care what anyone says.....only a fool believes they aren't), it is many other groups that will be "violated" by tea baggers trying to hitch a wagon to this star.  Tea baggers have a HUGE racist faction.  If someone doesn't shut this down, it is going to be one hell of a mess.  The military could shut it down in part, at least the military restoring honor portion of this BSathon.  That would take a lot of steam out of it.  I don't know why they have not, perhaps they are waiting for an "optimal moment" to lay down the law.  SOWF is crossing too many "questionable" lines here.  In my opinion that portion of all this really should be shut down!  I can't do anything though about racist tea baggers and MLK other than pray.


    Glen Beck. Restoring Honor. (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by robotalk on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:08:09 PM EST
    How ironical.

    just put this in the wrong thread (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:55:47 PM EST
    but I am pretty sure a pig just flew by.

    Question for a colleague....

    Greta Van Susteren | August 17, 2010

    On August 28th my colleague Glenn Beck is going to lead an event on the mall in Washington, DC. It is the anniversary of Martin Luther King's "I have a dream" speech. The event is causing much controversy ...some support and some don't support and some are even furious and upset. Yes he has a First Amendment right to do it...but what about the wisdom of it? Remember...the Muslims in NYC have a First Amendment right to build a mosque but most Americans don't want it...and you have to ask the wisdom of the Muslims to push the issue. Just because you have the right to do something does not mean you should. My view? No mosque at ground zero and Glenn should move his event.

    It does not help heal the country on so many fronts if we poke a stick in eyes.

    Beck is an a$$ (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:01:50 PM EST
    But the analogy isn't the same and doesn't work.  If Beck were moving his studio to the steps of the Lincoln Memorial, then it would be analagous.  

    doesn't "work"..really (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:25:59 PM EST
    why, is the Divine Miss P going to be somehow involved in this as well?

    It's inexactly analagous, but certainly enough of a "stick in eye to Americans" to warrant evoking that on-going right wing campaign to (stir up), honor and protect the still raw feelings of the citizenry relating to the 9/11 attacks.

    A guy whose made a career out of looking out for "white christians" and "white christian males" and has made statements like "Obama hates white people", has no business giving a speech at the Lincoln Memorial on that particular anniversary.  


    Divine Miss P (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:39:18 PM EST
    Beck's studio... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:22:27 PM EST
    is only 3.6 miles from Ground Zero right now.

    I don't know guys, should we ask moderate Fox viewers to refudiate this insensitive location?


    Sheesh (4.33 / 3) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:03:49 PM EST
    You must be joking or you must be not understanding that the I Have A dream Speech was given on August 28, 47 years ago.

    Let me try it this way to see if you understand - move it a few days, as opposed to a few blocks.

    Try reading it again.


    Um (2.00 / 1) (#21)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:16:57 PM EST
    Since this very minute, I'm sitting a mile away from the Memorial, and since I understand history, I know what you're referencing. But comparing it to "the mosque" controversy is just plain silly, since Beck's stunt involves one day and the Cordoba project involves a permanent structure and ongoing concern.

    If you want to compare them, fix your analogy.    


    Fix your own thinking (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:20:10 PM EST
    I think my point is understood.

    "Just one day?" Sheesh. Seriously, sheesh.

    How about August 29, there is another day. Of better yet, 9/12 - which is Beck's day anyway.

    Are you serious? Really?


    you're right (5.00 / 3) (#53)
    by CST on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:37:30 PM EST
    the analogy is different.  

    For one thing, Beck is using the actual location, on federal property instead of a privately owned location a few blocks away.  

    For another, Beck is doing this on the same day, whereas last I checked the Cordoba Center was not planning on opening it's doors on Sept 11th.  

    And thirdly, Beck does in fact preach a kind of hate, where as far as I am aware, the Imam at the Cordoba Center does not.


    please (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:03:31 PM EST
    you dont think they are going to broadcast from that travesty?

    This is big (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:19:49 PM EST
    I've watched it get very big indeed.

    Foxman Is Now Irrelevant (none / 0) (#17)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:06:37 PM EST
    He has lost credibility. If he does make a statement it will be seen as false opportunism.

    If you want to know (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:30:53 PM EST
    where Foxman's coming from, reference the formally-left-leaning Irving Kristol's position statement years ago on why it was incumbent on a certain demograph to support the Right in this country..

    am I alone in thinking (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:08:45 PM EST
    this may just be a bridge to far?  or is that even possible anymore?

    This is a bridge too far (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:17:45 PM EST
    I can almost promise this will be an ugly bridge too far.

    What if someone wanted to... (none / 0) (#22)
    by EL seattle on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:17:44 PM EST
    ... go to the Lincoln Memorial on August 28 and hold a rally about copyright-related issues?

    And join the other rallies? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:18:52 PM EST
    Cuz there will be some other rallying, but not with a permit cuz Beck got the only permit for the day probably.

    Party on Mr. Beck... (none / 0) (#37)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 02:57:45 PM EST
    let freedom ring...for teabaggers, for muslims, for everybody.

    Sensitivity is a virtue, but the freedom to be insensitive is absolute.

    f*ck him (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:05:58 PM EST
    "freedom" lobbyists and corporate sponsors buy for you isn't freedom. It's a populace-lulling lie, like so many others.  

    Whaddya gonna do? (none / 0) (#43)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:15:23 PM EST
    Deny him his permit and become what we despise?  Become the tyrannical sensitivity police?

    Let 'em have their ten minutes hate at King's spot...it'll always be King's spot, thats something no amount of corporate money can take away.


    o.k, so how far are we (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:25:10 PM EST
    going to go with this: should Swift Boat ads and cointelpro smear campaigns be considered falling under the rubric of protected speech?

    Abstract Libertarian absolutism can be as blinding as any other absolutism -- and maybe as enabling of authoritarianism as any other absolutism..

    Sure let Beck reveal himself for all the world to see, but lets not kid ourselves into thinking he's doing it on anything like a level-speech-playing field; that rewards merit and the fruits of freedom.


    Of course... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:35:25 PM EST
    there is no level playing field when it comes to speech...some people have celebrity, some people have big money corporate backers...they will be heard over any old Joe Blow with good ideas.  What else is new...

    I just don't know what can be done about it jondee...censoring ain't the answer, cuz you know the censors would only be sicked on a guy like Soros...or my man over at wikileaks.


    We did have something once called (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:44:45 PM EST
    the Fairness Doctrine..Also, some people (other than the greatest President in American history according to some at this site), once spent a tremendous amount of time in this country working against the anti-freedom phenomenon of media consolidation..

    There are concrete things that can be done to counter the machinations of the Murdochs and Rev Moons of the world.


    not in my book (none / 0) (#46)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:25:50 PM EST
    we call it out.
    which is what we are doing.  maybe a little counter protest.  in spite of the unflattering images FOX might broadcast.

    Calling it out is good... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:30:33 PM EST
    protesting the event is good...freedom of thought, speech, and expression for everybody.

    except that that's not (none / 0) (#52)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:36:58 PM EST
    how it works in the real world, when most of the power over the means of communication and info dispersal is in the hands of a relative few..

    I agree that it SHOULD be for everyone, but that's a "should" that's so big it could be rampaging through Tokyo.

    This is where someone tells me to be thankful I don't live in China..:)


    Damn that real world!!!... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:45:49 PM EST
    some speech is more free than others, some animals are more equal than others...it's a regular "Animal Farm" in that real world.

    But I still insist the answer is not to act more like the pigs...at least I hope it ain't cuz I ain't got any swine in me:)


    thats not (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:47:26 PM EST
    what your girlfriend said

    Jeez, with all this activity and issuing of (none / 0) (#60)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:49:48 PM EST
    'statements' by those affronted, I think I will go ahead and issue a statement of offence against the Museum of Creation Science - why should we tolerate the deliberate spreading of misinformation, ignorance, and lies to the American public? I'm affronted and insulted.

    do I detect a note of sarcasm? (none / 0) (#61)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:52:50 PM EST
    I am sort of offended (none / 0) (#62)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 03:58:36 PM EST
    by this
    maybe we could issue a joint statement.

    Karl Rove (none / 0) (#73)
    by jondee on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 05:04:30 PM EST
    waiting to be picked up and go on a shopping spree with Midge Decter and Lucianne Goldberg..

    Nah, (none / 0) (#64)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:00:20 PM EST
    I think it's just peachy when 'museums' are built to solicit educational trips from busloads of schoolchildren for the purpose of teaching them things like the era when dinosaurs and humans roamed the earth peacefully together... :)

    (actually, it's kind of worth a road trip if you have an iron stomach and a good sense of humor)


    Well (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:10:06 PM EST
    This is why some earlier religions prohibited graven images...

    you know you've gone way past "too far" (none / 0) (#66)
    by CST on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 04:06:45 PM EST
    when Pat Buchanan says you've gone too far.

    Why? (none / 0) (#76)
    by lentinel on Tue Aug 17, 2010 at 07:56:04 PM EST
    should Abe Foxman of the ADL be called upon to issue a statement on the matter of Beck performing his abomination at the Lincoln Memorial?

    he issued (none / 0) (#80)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 08:59:58 AM EST
    one about the "ground zero mosque" didnt he?

    Yes... (none / 0) (#81)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 10:45:56 AM EST
    But that falls within the sphere of influence of a Jewish organization to the extent that it considers itself at war with Islamic countries.

    Why single them out as an organization to take a stand against Beck and his defilement of MLK?

    Something's off, imo.


    Anti Defamation League (none / 0) (#82)
    by squeaky on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 11:09:11 AM EST
    The Anti-Defamation League was founded in 1913 "to stop the defamation of the Jewish people and to secure justice and fair treatment to all." Now the nation's premier civil rights/human relations agency, ADL fights anti-Semitism and all forms of bigotry, defends democratic ideals and protects civil rights for all.

    Need more?


    I know (none / 0) (#84)
    by lentinel on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 06:30:27 PM EST
    who they are.

    I was asking why they were singled out above - why it was they who were called upon to make a comment. Why not call upon the ACLU or the NAACP?

    Something felt off to me about BIg Tent's analogy.


    Oh (none / 0) (#85)
    by squeaky on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 06:33:07 PM EST
    You must have missed the fact that they chimed in against the NYC downtown Muslim Community Center project, in contradiction to their mission statement.

    Oh and you must have missed (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by BTAL on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 06:53:01 PM EST
    today's statement by Pelosi where she agreed with the ADL as to looking into the group behind the mosque's funding.

    Personally (none / 0) (#87)
    by jondee on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 07:02:35 PM EST
    I'd like to see where all the ADL's funding comes from.

    Besides the Pollard and Franklin Memorial Trust Fund.


    She also said ... (none / 0) (#88)
    by Yman on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 07:04:25 PM EST
    ... that Muslim leaders have the right to build the center there, and she called for transparency not only re: the center's funding, but also for those funding the opposition to the center.

    Not that her position is in anyway relevant to the ADL's opposition to the Islamic center.


    BS (none / 0) (#89)
    by squeaky on Wed Aug 18, 2010 at 07:08:36 PM EST
    Well you almost got it right:

    Loose transcript from audio statement:

    The decision is up to New YOrkers... It is up to them to work it out. There is a concerted effort to make this a political issue by some, and I join into those who are looking into who is funding the opposition to the downtown mosque.

    An important election is coming up and the main issue is a zoning issue in NYC, stupid no? Circus...

    She was later asked: what about funding for the downtown community center itself, and she said that there should be transparency on both sides.