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Hectic day, apparently for J as well.

I have no idea what is happening so you tell me.

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    Making math fun with a 7 year old with ADD (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 08:30:59 PM EST
    is interesting. He tells me about Lego Sponge Bob sets every time he answers a question correctly.

    Also, for those with male children and grandchildren in the 5-8 range, you can't go wrong with the Captain Underpants series... The books are funny to this old fellow, too! Don't know how underwear and toilet jokes go over with girls of that age.

    Per David Sirota (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:45:01 PM EST
    Romanoff has pulled into the lead.  So, are we ready to vote for the Democrats we want instead of the Democrats we are told we are going to have or else?  This is really going to pi$$ Rahm off.  Can't wait to find out who is retarded next, I'm hoping to find out that this is going to retard Rahm.  This has got to be the fault of leftwing bloggers!  Those ba$terds!

    From 1000 miles away (1600, actually) (5.00 / 2) (#21)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:53:48 PM EST
    it's not clear that Romanoff is the superior candidate to Bennet.

    That was Sirota's point, that (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by magster on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:36:32 PM EST
    Romanoff is better because of how he has had to campaign to get to this point -- make progressive vote promises, go primarily grassroot, disavow PAC money and blast corporatism.  Whether he lets progressives down after he's elected <cough> OBAMA <cough>, he is a vehicle for showing progressive strength in the face of an 8:1 cash advantage for Bennet, endorsement from Obama and the entire CO congressional delegation and Gov. Ritter.

    So we're mad at Bennet (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 06:58:19 AM EST
    for having raised a lot of money and won the support of the rest of the Congressional delegation?

    There must be more to it than that.


    I think the story here is that (none / 0) (#57)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 08:26:36 AM EST
    Romanoff has none of those things, but he is making progressive promises........or perhaps we should say liberal promises, to the voters......and he is about to kick Bennet's booty.  By making liberal promises in a purple state he's about to unseat a Dem incumbent.  The fact that Romanoff will likely rollback every single one of those promises is a separate story.

    I'm still trying to figure (none / 0) (#65)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:37:11 AM EST
    out why "progressives" are mad enough at Bennet to want to kick him out.  I don't get it.

    He has been labeled a Conservadem (none / 0) (#67)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:48:54 AM EST
    He joined the "Moderate Dems Working Group", blue dogs.  I think it is possible that he deserves this "awakening" :)

    I'm with you on this (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 06:56:28 AM EST
    I've seen Bennet interviewed a couple of times and he's impressed the heck out of me with his thoughtfulness and genuineness.  I don't get what the gripe is.

    I suppose it depends if he believes (none / 0) (#25)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:06:24 PM EST
    that voters can make him sorry for not keeping his promises :)  To me it does say that American voters want progressives, and Democrats can be primaried to the clapping and joy of huge crowds.  This bunch in power NEEDS to believe that they can be primaried, not that this and what happened to Lincoln is likely to scare those who believe themselves to be bullet proof yet :)

    When Colorado so willfully goes against the established Dem, the "established" have a few  problems.  The kind of problems they ought to be having but have thusfar manipulated their way into avoiding.


    To be honest-- (none / 0) (#28)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:15:33 PM EST
    and maybe it's because I haven't read Sirota's screed--I don't really understand what you're talking about. At least, what you write seems irrelevant to the reality of the two candidates.

    It is some of what Sirota wrote (none / 0) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:23:38 PM EST
    but it is also from my personal experience of being a Colorado resident.  That same Colorado that shudders to think about Gary Hart and Pat Schroeder and was so certain that it was doing the best it could do when it gave you Salazar.  Colorado Democrats used to be much more liberal, then somehow that became something evil and nasty.  It is out of character for them to chase the candidate making them the most liberal promises.  And they almost seem to be chastising Bennet for his past record of service....out of character in recent history.

    When I see a guy sell his house (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:25:55 PM EST
    to sink money into ads for a primary, I see someone whose judgement I question.

    Yeah, well Colorado loved it some (none / 0) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:32:56 PM EST
    Douglas Bruce too :)  When Colorado is upset about certain issues, it is upset about certain issues and we will take all sorts of crazy as long as they bring the goods we think we want :)  It's a state of looney pioneers andgarden.  You are too urbanized and neurotic to embrace and appreciate the psychotic :)

    A hilarious comment (none / 0) (#59)
    by Cream City on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 08:35:06 AM EST
    after such an authoritative comment, and in a thread headlined "Per Sirota screed."

    I see this all too often from clueless frosh found out for faking along in a discussion thread until caught, but rarely is such honesty seen in blogworld.


    Sure, if you think it's impossible (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 08:40:39 AM EST
    to form an opinion about the race without adopting Sirota's.

    Sorry for giving Sirota a hat tip (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:16:58 AM EST
    Sheesh.  It is the internet Cream City, your authoratative is only YOUR perception of words.  I had no idea how deep and authoratative your inner feelings for David Sirota were, but let us try to remember they are yours.

    You entirely misread my comment (none / 0) (#76)
    by Cream City on Thu Aug 05, 2010 at 12:51:20 PM EST
    as well as to whom it was directed.

    But who cares?  Not me.  I still had my laff of the day -- and again, not because of you, but because of the hijack of your thread.


    What promises? (none / 0) (#53)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 06:57:06 AM EST
    Really? Okay, I'll play... Coloradoan.com (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:22:10 AM EST
    He says he would have voted for the "banks too big to fail" provision and for the "cram down" forcing banks to write down home loans to current value, avoiding many bankruptcies/foreclosures. Both provisions are now not in the finance bill, which would have reduced future need to bail out those institutions, which caused the economic crisis.

    Also said he will only commit our soldiers to a war with a clear, understandable purpose; a clear exit strategy; where the local government was trusted by its people - both missing in Iraq and Afghanistan ... and the reason we failed in Vietnam.

    Says he supports single-payer health care, which would free corporations, state and local governments, and the unemployed from purchasing insurance from companies charging 30 percent administration fees while Medicare operates for about 3 percent. Insurance companies will charge more for pre-existing conditions; Medicare does not. Medicare for all would be more affordable by including payments from a larger pool of young and old.

    Romanoff as majority leader in the state House of Representatives wrote and got passed Referendum C (a five-year reprieve from the Tabor Amendment) by convincing Republican Gov. Bill Owens of the advantage of having a workable budget for his last years in office to reflect well on him and the party.


    Oh, you meant Romanoff's (none / 0) (#64)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:35:42 AM EST
    promises?  Thought you were talking about Bennet's.

    I don't think Romanoff is seriously a better (none / 0) (#66)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:44:20 AM EST
    candidate.  His promises are sort like Obama's anti-war promises.  He wouldn't have voted for the AUMF...even though that wasn't his option and he sure as hell voted for the FISA bill without a moments hesitation :) I know many Coloradoans are glad that Salazar wasn't available to make the healthcare bill even worse than what we got too.  Salazar was a huge disappointment for many of us who worked hard for him to beat Coors.  It is terrific in my mind that more liberal "voices" can beat establishment Dems with no big money in past purple states like Colorado.  I guess the beltway can only ignore the people so long.  To me this signals a public will swing left.

    Don't let 'em fool ya'. (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:02:33 PM EST
    Romanoff is as big a DLC insider as there is.  There is little or no substantive policy difference between him and Bennet.  And frankly, the way he (and his supporters) have behaved this primary has very much soured me on him.  He has proved to be a just another typical politician--the sense of entitlement, the win at all costs/scorched earth mentality, the inflated ego...

    Neither of them are the Democrats I want--but they do represent a better choice than the out and out crazy that Buck and/or Norton present.

    And don't even get me started on what a tool Sirota is.


    So you think he'll Obama us? (none / 0) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:08:57 PM EST
    It worked on us once :)

    I can all but guarantee it. (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:19:59 PM EST
    He'll swing to the center as fast as you can say re-election funds.  This "man for the rest of us" thing is a nifty façade.

    Has he tried, you are the change you (none / 0) (#36)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:33:35 PM EST
    are waiting for?

    Gosh (none / 0) (#22)
    by squeaky on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:00:34 PM EST
    And I thought Progressive was a dirty word around here.

    I don't think I have ever seen the word mentioned so many times in one place.


    lol!~ (none / 0) (#23)
    by nycstray on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:02:25 PM EST
    he sure did over use progressive :P

    If someone were to actually get Progressive (none / 0) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:08:07 PM EST
    The word Progressive could be reborn in the hearts and minds of liberals :)

    And in the world of (summer) opera, (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 12:09:51 AM EST
    KUSC FM is streaming "Eugene Onegin," with James Levine, Mirela Freni, and Thomas Hampson.  Beautiful.  Most popular opera in Russia, per announcer.

    Onegin is (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 07:03:49 AM EST
    THE Russian opera in Russia, bar none.  It helps that it's based on Pushkin, who is THE Russian writer of all Russian writers.  The heart-breaking Lensky "Kuda, Kuda" aria before the duel is Pushkin word for word.

    For me, it's the most satisfying opera I know.  I never get tired of it, and I hear something new in it every time.


    I just saw the Met HD film from 2007 (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 02:48:30 PM EST
    so was primed and ready.  Beautiful music.  

    Salt is a fun distraction of a movie (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 07:23:10 PM EST
    It doesn't hold itself out as psychologically significant, and it won't give you a strobe effect headache like most other "action" flicks these days.

    Haven't seen it yet (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 08:31:27 PM EST
    If I don't get there by Tuesday I may be too late in Enterprise :)

    I thought "Salt" was a good example... (none / 0) (#72)
    by EL seattle on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 12:17:34 PM EST
    ...of solid thriller cinema, and almost old-fashioned in a lot of ways.  It probabably had one-and-a-half too many chase scenes, but that's way less than most action films these days.

    What interested me the most was the number of older folks in the audience at the Saturday night "Salt" show that I went to.   There were more than a few people in their mid-seventies and older, and as near as I could tell, they were all enjoying an action thriller with a female protagonist who essentially becomes a one-woman death machine when she has to.

    I don't know why all those older folks decided to show up at "Salt" for that particular show, but I thought that it was really cool that they were there and seemed to be having a good time.


    I'm trying to figure out this going gray hair (none / 0) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 07:38:27 PM EST
    thing.  I really wanted some solution that would honor the gray coming in.  I grew it out for awhile and my husband tells me I'm not gray enough to work it.  I feel tired of dying every six weeks though.  So my daughter learned how to pull hair through caps very well.  It is all the same amount of work though to make this gray thing work in a cool way.  It is just different work.  In the process of bleaching and toning though we have become well versed.  So my daughter decided this week to go platinum blonde, and she is naturally a dark brunette who recently went wildly red.

    This is the best video, we followed this person's directions but it look three lifts for a dark brunette.  We had been warned though.  And we utterly embraced "Ivory Lady Wella Toner".  She looks great, but it took one night and all the next day.  What did Marilyn Monroe go through?

    Afterwards we literally baked Aphogee first step into her hair under a dryer cap.  Blondes must have more fun, I haven't seen her all weekend and now she's late to Sunday family supper.

    MT, if i let mine grow in, it's pretty grey. (5.00 / 2) (#7)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 08:32:42 PM EST
    Shaving, however, is a viable option. Remember the movie Star Trek 1? ;P

    I'm just about there (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 08:44:31 PM EST
    I used to enjoy all the hair coloring, but now find myself bored with it.  It used to have fun, now it is a chore.  There must be a better way for the weary.

    It has been bonding though doing this with my daughter.  Who knew I could trust this person with hair bleach and various hair destroying chemicals?  This is the person who confessed that in her early most hateful teens, she put Visine into my coffee because someone told her it would give me the runs.  I remember when you couldn't find Visine around here to save your life.  God knows how much Visine I've drank :)


    It's all your fault, natch. (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:09:42 PM EST
    I've never been either blonde and/or straight haired until quite recently.  I told hairstylist--not my daughter--I thought perhaps the ship had sailed re me being soooooo blonde.  She's thinking about it.  When I was in charge of color I was a very brassy auburn, as opposed to mousy brown.  Now I guess I am naturally mousy gray.  Not going there!

    I am normally mousy brown (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:13:25 PM EST
    As I get older it gets worse too and it lends itself easily to the mousy gray.  My grandmother had terrific salt and pepper hair, it was splendid.  I did not get THAT hair, trying to fake it.

    Hair stylist says I'm fortunate my base (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:16:34 PM EST
    color is mousy gray as not "roots" problem.  Tres expensive though.  

    Just buying the needed goods at Sally's (none / 0) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:25:30 PM EST
    is pricey if you go through all the steps, take the time, buy the protein treatment and bake it into your hair afterward.  I have no idea what everyone is paying right now for a total dye and highlight and lowlight.  I have trained my anal retentive husband to highlight :)  He feels important :)  My daughter has several friends who now want to go platinum and want me to do their hair.  It is an all day experience though and you have to be watchful.  It cost us at least 60 dollars for all the goods too.  I would think a stylist would need well over a 100 bucks for the labor.

    My stylist charges $130 (none / 0) (#41)
    by shoephone on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 11:24:32 PM EST
    for the highlighting. Then he washes, cuts and styles it, which is, ahem, a few bucks more. The whole thing takes 90 minutes. It ain't cheap, which is why I only have it done about every ten weeks. But it's worth it because he is really skilled, and I just feel happier as a blonde. (I mean, I can't do anything about the nine months of gloom in Seattle weather, so why not?) In my early twenties I really started going mousey brown, and I finally got fed up with it about five years ago. You know how it is -- once a blonde, always a blonde (in your mind anyway).

    I don't have much gray, and it seems the only person besides me who notices it is my stylist. Like you, I also hate the fact that it's silver gray, rather than that lovely-looking white, like my grandmother's sister had. We get what we get. I never saw my mother's real color after she turned 35...


    Have you tried the Brazilian (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 11:52:53 PM EST
    straightening yet?  If only I could go back to high school and be both blonde and w/straight hair, my whole life would probably have been different?

    Can't figure out the replies (none / 0) (#48)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 12:39:08 AM EST
    That must have been for Tracy?

    I have lots of natural curl, so, not only do I not straighten it, I spray a bit of B&B in it when it's wet, and it does its thing on its own. Honestly, I rarely even brush my hair! Which my stylist says is cool. ;-)


    My gray hair is coming in curly (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 11:54:07 AM EST
    I guess maybe I got something good to work with from my grandmother after all because hers did too.  She could get a good haircut and finger comb her hair and it looked great.  I wear a curly bob right now but straighten it sometimes when I'm in the mood.

    And damn Hillary's hair looks great (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:33:49 PM EST
    Did you check out those highlights and lowlights?  Better than Obama's........Heh!

    Agree re Hillary's hair. Have we learned (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:18:27 PM EST
    who did her hair and make-up yet?  (P.S.  If you have to ask, you cain't afford it!)

    Never heard that about Visene-- I guess (none / 0) (#9)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 08:47:38 PM EST
    you've been regular, though! How's my little buddy doing?

    Can't wait for school (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:10:30 PM EST
    He's ready.  He likes Captain Underpants, Wimpy Kid is still his favorite though.  He has done more reading this summer than ever before.  He is currently playing the video game Fallout 3 DC.  Some sort of nuclear apocalypse has taken place and he is trying to live in D.C.  Water is now radioactive and you must drink water.  He says that there are bathrooms in D.C. but you (the video you) does not need to use them as you would in real life. He has drank out of a toilet and that water is extremely radioactive (I could have told him that), it is better to drink out of the sink :)  Boys will always be boys I guess :)

    12-yr. old tutoree enjoys Wimpy series but (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:30:57 PM EST
    always comments the books are "very expensive."  Also bought him first two of "Lightening Thief" series but haven't heard he has started them.  He had heard of the books.  Not sure how he is doing on "Outcasts United," but was interested initially.  He wanted to know how I knew so many words.  I sd., reading!

    How cute (none / 0) (#38)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:37:51 PM EST
    You are a great tutor

    Almost forgot to pass onto (none / 0) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:47:18 PM EST
    you the Scholastic Reader link.  I get most of Joshua's books through them because they offer some deals you just can't walk away from.  And if his teacher sets up an account and gives me the code, what I order adds up points for free books for his class too that his teacher can purchase.  Worked swell last year.

    Oops...wrong stuff in the paste...sorry (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:49:28 PM EST
    Family farm up for sale... (none / 0) (#3)
    by desertswine on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 07:44:49 PM EST
    I just read Dante Atkins' (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 08:30:17 PM EST
    'No Time to Quit' and I can't help it,  the Dems don't care enough about average people for me to care in return. Suck it up and bring it home one more time isn't going to work for me.  I can't find a grain of enthusiasm and reading such things from Dante, the guy who has a past of boasting about being nothing more than a master mass manipulator, absolutely does zero for me.....bleh

    Armando, been too busy (none / 0) (#10)
    by jeffinalabama on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 08:54:53 PM EST
    for Sports Left? Or waiting for football season?

    May be TB sweeping Yankees? (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:11:24 PM EST
    I was pulling for (none / 0) (#17)
    by CoralGables on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:22:35 PM EST
    the trio of thrice fried friar.

    I'll bet. So was my brother, who was here (none / 0) (#29)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 10:15:49 PM EST
    for the series.  We saw 2 others fans in Fish attire today.  

    In Mad Men universe (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 09:19:00 PM EST
    the jerk from Lucky Strike is back. Ugh. . .

    Am interested. Why do you watch (none / 0) (#43)
    by oculus on Sun Aug 01, 2010 at 11:53:47 PM EST
    "Mad Men"?

    Good drama (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 12:05:44 AM EST
    and good story telling. Why?

    In my mind's eye, you only partake of (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 12:12:14 AM EST
    the most intellectually stimulating material.  But then there is Lawrence of Arabia, and what was the other flick you praised recently?  

    I'm a snob, but not rigid (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 12:31:27 AM EST
    My only standard is that I'm entertained by what I watch.

    As for Lawrence, I don't see how that could qualify as a "but" in your conception of what I like. It's visually stunning and also a literary masterpiece.

    The "other flick" is Salt. And yes, I enjoyed it. I also like most Bond movies--none of them "intellectually stimulating."


    So much for my mind's eye! Enjoy. (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 12:55:10 AM EST
    I started watching last year too (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 08:38:51 AM EST
    I can't decide whether I liked the Medicare line, though. I think it might give away roughly when the episode was written.

    Honestly, I'm hoping that the show makes it to 1969. There just seems to be something that happened in the culture that year that was different. (That's my no firsthand experience qualitative assessment).


    Looks like I'll have to (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by brodie on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 10:16:09 AM EST
    give MM a try -- as soon as I figure out when it's on and on what channel.  Shows set reasonably accurately in the Sixties would be something I'd be interested in, provided there isn't too much indoor smoking.

    As for 1969, it was generally the same sort of year of extremes of good and bad that 1968 was, with brutal senseless murders instead of political assassinations being the main distinction.  Also the beginning of a pull-back or reaction by the corp media against 60s counterculture, with the Smothers Bros tv show being cancelled (pressure from Nixon admin).  Though at the end of the year, Dick Cavett's late night show was launched which would eventually incorporate some 60s political/cultural sensibility in his quirky and often interesting guest list.

    Beatles essentially broke up that year and Paul was reported to be dead, as cleverly indicated at the very end of Lennon's song I Am the Walrus (iirc) when played backwards ("I buried Paul").  F. Lee Bailey came forth helpfully and hosted a nationally syndicated teevee show to explore further into this mystery.  

    Woodstock was outstanding, but seemed to announce the end of an era.  Some knuckleheads out here -- Jerry Garcia and the Dead or the Rolling Stones, I forget -- thought it would be a neat idea, as they tried a west coast version of Woodstock, to hire the local Hell's Angels chapter as security, then to pay them not in $ but in cases of beer.  With predictable results.

    Don't get me started about 1969.  And I haven't even mentioned Vietnam ...


    lots (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by CST on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 10:29:19 AM EST
    of indoor smoking - and it's not so much about the counter-culture, although it does come up at times.

    Takes place at an ad agency.  They worked for the Nixon campaign.  Nuff said.

    Show's on AMC on Sunday nights but you might want to start at the beginning since it's in season 4 and a lot of character development has taken place.  You should be able to follow it, but you might not enjoy it as much without the background.


    Hey now... (none / 0) (#58)
    by kdog on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 08:27:47 AM EST
    I'm big on equal human rights for all humans...and I think a carton of smokes is the perfect gift for any occasion.

    yup (none / 0) (#68)
    by CST on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 09:53:21 AM EST
    started watching it last year and now I'm all caught up.  Of course, Peggy is the local favorite.  It's funny because I really didn't like her at first.  But like everyone else on the show (even Don) she grows on you.  I think in some ways we are hardest on the characters we can relate to.

    Cooper is a hoot.  He is such a strange character that you forget sometimes how bakcwards he is politically.  He slips into the role of old, cranky, white man quite seemlessly.

    Any one else watching Pillars of the Earth on Starz?  I don't actually get Starz but you can get all of their stuff on Netflix Instant Streaming now.  I loved the book and the show's pretty entertaining as well.


    Didn't realize anyone had filmed (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 02:51:52 PM EST
    "Pillars of the Earth."

    they are making (none / 0) (#75)
    by CST on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 02:55:50 PM EST
    a miniseries.  Great casting job.  And as a TV show it works much better than a movie would.  They are very thorough as each episode is close to 1 hr long.  Would not be possible to do it as well in movie format I think.  Too much would have to be cut out, and they are now able to keep the flow of the book.  Link to imdb.

    The roots of crack cocaine disparity (none / 0) (#56)
    by Rojas on Mon Aug 02, 2010 at 07:56:17 AM EST