Friday Morning Open Thread

World Cup -Brazil v. Netherlands this morning. Should be a great game. I like Brazil.

Wimbledon - Berdych v. Djokovic as we speak. Nerdych up a set. Later, Nadal v. Murray. A match to watch.

Tour de France - Prologue time trial tomorrow morning from Rotterdam (temporarily moved to France this year.) Stages 1 through 3 will take the peloton through the Netherlands and Belgium - cobbles and the Ardennes. After heading back to France, through the Alps and the Pyrennees, the Tour finishes on the Champs Elysees July 25.

Open Thread.

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    Looking forward (5.00 / 2) (#1)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:02:06 AM EST
    to Holland v. Brazil too...I prefer the men in orange.  

    I don't know if this has been discussed here but healthcare.gov is up.  I like their "Find Insurance Options" database.  I'm thinking about switching my plan (I have individual insurance) and it gave me 10 companies, each with multiple plans, in the span of 2 minutes.  Unfortunately no price estimates are available until October 2010 but it's still helpful.  And then when I clicked to the homepage it gave me the option to "go back to your coverage options" in case I did that by accident.  Neat!  Hopefully this will educate people on what's in the law.

    What do you all think of it?  

    I am also (none / 0) (#2)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:05:33 AM EST
    rooting for the men in orange.

    As for health care - we got our on statewide one and it seems pretty similar to that.  Very easy and straightforward.


    GOOOAALLLLL!!!!! n/t (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:12:55 AM EST
    that was beautiful (none / 0) (#23)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:15:31 AM EST
    and the Netherlands goalie is phenomenal.

    One more...

    (although Brazil seems fairly dominant)

    Goals don't always go to the dominant team.


    Orange vindicates that bad call seconds before (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Ellie on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:28:03 AM EST
    I love Instant Karma!

    I'm still suspicious about that ball. I don't care how many simulations were done in its development, you don't HALVE the stitching in a spherical missile and expect it to work kinda sorta the same way.

    It can still bend, as has been shown by some glorious goals and lovely footwork so far, but IMO it favors a less "beautiful" style than Brazil or Spain.


    My SpFreTalian heart is still with Spain overall, but my head is leaning German.

    Don't know why much of the US has started looking away; the quarters are like 4 baby World Cups!


    just found out I am related to (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:30:22 AM EST
    Mark Twain.  how cool is that?
    just got this from a relative that has been doing all that family tree stuff:
    (my family name is casey)

    Abner Brooks Casey (1700, Tyrone Co., IRELAND)
    his son:
    Benjamin Casey (1731, Ann Arundel Co., MD)
    his son:
    William Casey (1754, Frederick Co., VA)
    his daughter:
    Margaret Casey (1783, Adair Co., KY) married Benjamin Lampton
    her daughter:
    Jane Lampton (1803, Adair Co., KY) married John Marshall Clemens
    her son: Samuel Langhorne Clemens (1835, Monroe Co., MO)
    AKA: Mark Twain

    VERY cool, that's how cool! (none / 0) (#10)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:03:19 AM EST
    I'm envious (none / 0) (#11)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:03:59 AM EST
    I only have Lloyd George, former PM of England, and William Williams, an original signer of the Declaration of Independence.

    I'll trade you.


    Have some pride.... (none / 0) (#16)
    by coast on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:10:38 AM EST
    an original signer of the DofI, on this weekend of all others.

    heh (none / 0) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:12:44 AM EST
    no deal.  but the signer is pretty cool.

    Gore Schmore -- Twain's is the dish I crave (none / 0) (#13)
    by Ellie on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:07:17 AM EST
    I can't wait for the Nov/2010 publication ofhis memoirs, which he ordered sealed until 100 yrs. until after his death. His autobiography ...

    ... provides a remarkable account of how the dying novelist's final months were overshadowed by personal upheavals.

    "It's completely at odds with the impression most people have of him," says the historian Laura Trombley, who this year published a book about Lyon called Mark Twain's Other Woman.

    "There is a perception that Twain spent his final years basking in the adoration of fans. The autobiography will perhaps show that it wasn't such a happy time. He spent six months of the last year of his life writing a manuscript full of vitriol, saying things that he'd never said about anyone in print before. It really is 400 pages of bile."

    Twain, who was born Samuel Langhorne Clemens, had made several attempts to start work on autobiography, beginning in 1870, but only really hit his stride with the work in 1906, when he appointed a stenographer to transcribe his dictated reminiscences.

    Your links are pretty cool usually, but this one to Twain has to be the coolest!


    yes (none / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:11:17 AM EST
    looking forward to the memoirs too.

    possibly even stranger I also seem to be related to a former SC politician:

    One of Abner's sons, Gen. Levi Casey represented the Spartanburg, SC district in the House of Representatives of the US Congress 1802-1807. He is buried at the Congressional Cemetery in Washington DC.

    Brazilian Meltdown - match is busting wide open (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Ellie on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:35:37 AM EST
    ... ref's struggling to get the game under control.

    Have any of you heard from mile hi (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:00:28 AM EST
    hawkeye?  I thought of him last night while reading about threatened levee in Des Moines.

    was wondering (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:04:27 AM EST
    about him too.

    Triple... (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:09:00 AM EST
    it's been more than a couple weeks...getting nervous.  Hopefully it's just better things to do.

    Size Matters, (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by KeysDan on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 01:13:49 PM EST
    and we are numero uno. Take that Mexico! The BP oil spill is, as of yesterday, the largest ever in the Gulf of Mexico.   Based on the highest of the federal government's estimates of oil that has spewed into the Gulf waters for the past two and one-half months, the spill hit the 140.6 million gallon mark, eclipsing the puny 140 million gallon Ixtoc I spill off Mexico's Gulf coast in 1979 to 1980.  While Mexico's Pemex may contest the data leading to their heartbreaking loss, BP, with the Administration's customary acquiescence, can always counter with the real data of the amount of oil gushing since the April 20 blowout. Pemex's only possible argument is that the comparisons are not on equal footing, since Ixtoc 1 was one of those safe shallow water wells, and not a moratorium-prone deep water well.

    Size Doesn't Matter If Nobody's Looking ;-( (none / 0) (#65)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 10:18:54 AM EST
    Yes, but if we keep (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by KeysDan on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 11:11:08 AM EST
    casting it in sports metaphors, it may have a chance of staying on the screen.  The latest: a 60 to 80 percent chance of oil reaching the Florida Keys, Miami and Ft. Lauderdale.

    Unemployment (none / 0) (#4)
    by kenosharick on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:44:21 AM EST
    Last night all the "experts" were saying we would wake up to new unemployment numbers of 10% again. I wake up and see a DECLINE to 9.5% and yet everyone is calling it horrible news. We knew about the Census job loss. Not my area, but I thought this would be seen as positive news.

    The 9.5% (none / 0) (#5)
    by BTAL on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:47:19 AM EST
    doesn't include > 600K people who have stopped looking.

    The "good news" of private sector jobs is well short of the number needed to keep up with population growth.

    It is not a good report.


    Right, it is not a good report. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:10:36 AM EST
    Extremely frustrating that Washington is not focused like a laser on jobs creation. I personally know quite a few desperate unemployed people; the number of unemployed is huge and people's lives are crumbling...

    And these numbers are ALWAYS... (none / 0) (#12)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:05:21 AM EST
    ...revised later in the negative direction.

    not entirely true (none / 0) (#22)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:14:15 AM EST
    there have been some months recently that were revised in the other direction.

    That being said, not good news.  There is no way that 9.5% could really ever be good news.

    I agree with Dr. Molly - people are getting desperate.  And I can't believe they failed to extend benefits.


    The failure to extend benefits (none / 0) (#24)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:20:26 AM EST
    looks like it will mean a lot of people I know will not stay in school, move back home, and one single father may have to sell his home (in this market).

    The ones in school are older workers laid off and taking the initiative to retrain, and many in fields where we will need them such as health care.  Others are training to be teachers and in other public service fields.  What is the sense of cutting off the career retraining of so many?

    Washington continues to be a ship of fools -- and I have to think that the captain of the ship could use his vaunted rhetorical skills to go to the country on this one . . . while his vice president who was picked for his knowledge of Congress sure isn't doing the job in this administration, either.


    yup (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:35:32 AM EST
    "The ones in school are older workers laid off"

    that's my dad - he's going to BU this fall to get some new "skills" in public health.  Luckily for him my mom works there so he doesn't have to take out a loan.  In his 60s.  Was doing census work for a little while.


    The benefits would been extended (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by BTAL on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:49:03 AM EST
    with bi-partisan votes if Reid had not dismissed out of hand the proposal to pay for just half with un-committed stimulus money.  

    $15B (half the cost) out of $787B is a very small percentage.  Especially so, since the promise and expectations were set of unemployment not passing 8%


    Hey, Rick. In Kenosha and across (none / 0) (#25)
    by Cream City on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:25:15 AM EST
    your former state, fyi, unemployment numbers continue to increase.  Be glad that you escaped Wisconsin, where the economy remains awful.

    And it will get worse in other ways, as the economy and the awful Dem governor soon to step down are ensuring, say the polls, that we will elect a Repub governor this fall.

    As for 2010, I expect that the Dems ought to look elsewhere for support -- Wisconsin will return to being the most purple state, and more red than blue.


    Thanks Cream City (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by kenosharick on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:47:11 AM EST
    I'm in Georgia now, and things are pretty bad here. I'm moving to Tampa next month and will be working on my PhD for the next few years. I'm hoping for a better job market by then. I'll move anywhere.

    Sorry Cream City (none / 0) (#49)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:48:28 AM EST
    The Minimum Wage-anator... (none / 0) (#6)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:51:28 AM EST
    What's up with Arnold cutting 200k state workers pay to 7.25 an hour until the budget is complete?  Others will make $455 a week, others won't be paid at all...pending the court challenges, of course.

    Sounds like a general strike is in order out west.  I don't think I could work for the mofo after such an insult.

    $7.,75 with retroactive back pay (none / 0) (#7)
    by BTAL on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:53:34 AM EST
    is better than the "voucher" method used in CA in the past.

    Seven and a quarter... (none / 0) (#21)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:13:59 AM EST
    is better than an IOU, but it ain't good!

    The grocer and the landlord ain't gonna take an IOU while Cali gets their sh*t together...I pride my self on livin' on the cheap but even I can't imagine gettin' by on the min wage...I really don't know how people do it.


    Governator can do this to non-union (none / 0) (#34)
    by oculus on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:57:51 AM EST
    state employees due to a court decision.  Used to issue "warrants," i.e., IOUs, which were payable when the budget passed.  My credit union took warrants same as state check.  Many banks didn't.  

    Typo correction: $7.25 vs $7.,75 (none / 0) (#8)
    by BTAL on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:54:10 AM EST

    this is almost as good as (none / 0) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:59:13 AM EST
    Lord Jesus Christ

    Donald Duck Arrested for Driving Drunk

    seriously, who would do this to a child?
    it borders on abuse.

    Off Topic (none / 0) (#14)
    by coast on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:07:26 AM EST
    Following up on your movie review from yesterday, I'm taking the kids to see the movie this afternoon.  Any opinion on whether to see it in 3-D.  I'm not big on paying the extra cash. But if the movie is more effects driven as you say wouldn't 3-D be better?

    I would say not 3D (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:29:45 AM EST
    that part seemed really contrived to me.  
    also, the 3D glasses always make me feel like I am going to barf so I would take them off every few minutes to let it pass.  when I did you could hardly tell it was in 3D.  I honestly dont think the effects stuff looked any better in 3D.  but I am obviously not a big fan.  I actually considered getting  up and going to the theater where it was not in 3D.

    personally I am never paying to see another movie in 3D unless there is a really good reason.  

    I was thinking about the movie.  and it was stupid but I thought it was as better than Avatar.  which is saying nothing because I hated Avatar.


    Thanks for the insight (none / 0) (#30)
    by coast on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:45:34 AM EST
    and for saving me some cash.  Have a good 4th.

    For my wife (inside joke - inn sighed juke) (none / 0) (#20)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:13:45 AM EST
    this gray, this grey
    once more today
    i will the sun to burn
    to light this earth
    & heat your mirth
    then give your even a turn.

    this grey, this gray
    is mist today
    a wee wet bee i be
    abuzz with you
    your tongue & groove
    your hive, your honey, thee.

    Sounds like somebody... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:54:23 AM EST
    had sweet love for breakfast today...I'm jealous.

    And inspired...Para mi amor.

    Mi Tesoro...
    I can see your hips sway beyond the horizon
    Your smile warm and shining is my rising sun
    I long to kiss your lips as softly as these gentle waves kiss the sand.

    Amen (none / 0) (#63)
    by Dadler on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 04:20:02 PM EST
    And I ain't even religious.

    And the NETHERLANDS (none / 0) (#33)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:55:01 AM EST
    beats Brazil!!!


    Cool... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 10:58:01 AM EST
    the only Euro team I wouldn't mind see winning this thing.

    But I'm firmly in the 'Guay camp...preferable longshot Paraguay.


    gonna say (none / 0) (#37)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:00:35 AM EST
    which 'guay?  I like Ghana over Uruguay, but definitely Paraguay over Spain, and finally Germany over Argentina.

    (By like - I mean that's who I want to win, not expect to)

    I would be happy with any of those 4 teams winning.  Honestly, I'm cool now as long as it isn't Spain.  They are the last team I will be "hatin" on this tournament.  All the rest are already out.


    I gotta hate on your Germans too... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:07:24 AM EST
    Blame Michael Caine, Pele, and Sylester Stallone:)

    it's cool (none / 0) (#42)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:11:39 AM EST
    i get it, hatin on germans is pretty common, and they are hardly an underdog.

    But we all have our vices :)


    Cheering for Deutschland (none / 0) (#46)
    by lilburro on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:31:21 AM EST
    do you know any good team cheers?  I've had to switch my allegiance to my dad's home country since my favorite team (Italy) and actual country have already exited like they had a plane to catch.  Plus Germany is mad exciting to watch!  I will say we may have one of the least attractive teams in the Cup though.  YMMV...

    I'll be a very unhappy (none / 0) (#47)
    by brodie on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:32:55 AM EST
    camper if the Argentine squad doesn't prevail tomorrow over Deutschland.

    But as long as I can recall being alive and watching the WC, Germany have rarely failed to make it far in the tournament -- meltdowns like Brazil today are almost unheard of.

    I'm a lot mellower today compared to 20 yrs ago about rooting against the formerly-hated Germans.  Gotta hand it to them for being prepared, skilled, and always coming to play the full game.  And their quick-strike attack from their own end is something to behold.


    What a rollercoaster ride! Orange dug deep ... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Ellie on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:06:17 AM EST
    ... kept their eye on the prize and it paid off.

    Brazil's still in total WTF?!?!?! mode.


    My money was on the Dutch (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:18:01 AM EST
    they brought the goods.

    Sneaky good were (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by brodie on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:27:57 AM EST
    the Dutchmen.  They look like a bunch of balding old white guys (with a couple of players of color sprinkled in) and a few tough skinheads from the local back alley.

    But they played steady and opportunistically, while the Brazilians played like chumps.  

    I still think the Dutch are a poor man's Germany team, but I think it less now than 2 hours ago.  


    I think this is their cup (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 12:04:02 PM EST
    They are hard as old twisted nails.  No halftime therapy needed for the Dutch.

    Where's MT... (none / 0) (#44)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 11:20:05 AM EST
    whats up with your governor hatin' on bingo machines and jobs?  You'd think with the oil spill he wouldn't have time to worry about some bingo machines at a dog track.

    It is a carnival down here isn't it? (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 12:00:07 PM EST
    I'm no fan of Attorney General Troy King either.  But Josh likes him, he is big on busting child predators.  He visited Josh's school and gave a speech, Josh loves him.  Then a photo comes to our house, a very well done one of Josh and Troy King. I did eventually hang it up in a collage of Joshua in the hall.  Josh told me that Troy makes him feel safe, and when you're a kid I figure that has to be worth something.

    At first King defocused on all this BINGO bullsh*t, but it does win Republican votes down here and Jesus people get really upset about it.  Only Jesus is supposed to make money off our uncontrollable BINGOing.  We have a ton of Jesus people and we have so many churches to keep the doors open on in this horrible economy you couldn't even begin to believe it.  The state is broke though and likely to burn to the ground, but let's spend our tax dollars busting BINGO.


    You'd think... (none / 0) (#53)
    by kdog on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 12:35:26 PM EST
    churches would realize the collection plates get light when people ain't working...unless they think the bingo action is taking away from their jesus action, and don't like the competition for the vice dollar:)

    I haven't understood how all these (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 12:38:30 PM EST
    churches have managed to stay open.  We have an insane number of churches per capita.  And BINGO is the only fun in my town, and probably what they all hope to live on.

    Come up to No. AL (none / 0) (#59)
    by BTAL on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 02:26:45 PM EST
    Just 10 miles north of me - the US city with the highest church per capita ratio - Decatur.

    Yet, Decatur is wet and this little town has refused to go wet.  Dumb as the economic impact is huge.


    I have no idea who to go with (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 12:09:51 PM EST
    on the next match between Uruguay and Ghana.  Uruguay has the serious striker talent, but the overall teamwork and energy level of Ghana cannot be dismissed.  I think they could overrun and outwork "the talent".

    Brazil is out going home! (none / 0) (#55)
    by Saul on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 12:52:29 PM EST

    hmmm (none / 0) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 02:13:26 PM EST
    Once they see (none / 0) (#58)
    by ruffian on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 02:24:31 PM EST
    AZ's nifty training video that makes it absolutely clear there will be no racial profiling, I'm sure they will reconsider. After all, Greta van Susteran assured me it was all just a PR problem and all they had to do was tell people there is no racial profiling!

    Go Ghana! 1-0 (none / 0) (#60)
    by magster on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 02:27:32 PM EST
    I got a phone call after the Uruguayan was lying on the field unconscious (or pretending to be).  Did the Ghanan get a red card?

    Go Ghana! (none / 0) (#61)
    by CST on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 02:33:57 PM EST
    no card, he didnt touch the guy, the guy just jumped and fell badly.

    I don't think he was faking it - it looked really really bad, he fell on his head.


    interesting (none / 0) (#64)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 04:53:55 PM EST