Federal Grand Jury Indicts Joran Van der Sloot for Extortion, Wire Fraud

The U.S. Attorney for the Northern District of Alabama announced today that Joran Van der Sloot has been indicted on extortion and wire fraud charges.

According to the indictment, van der Sloot caused Beth Holloway to wire $15,000 from her bank in Birmingham to his account at a bank in the Netherlands. The indictment also charges that he caused her to wire $10,000 to lawyer John Q. Kelly in New York so that Kelly could later carry that money to Aruba and deliver it to van der Sloot in person. The indictment identifies Kelly as an advisor and legal representative of Beth Holloway who served as her intermediary with van der Sloot.


As to how it supposedly went down:

After van der Sloot initially contacted Kelly and said he would reveal the location of Natalee Holloway's remains for $250,000, he later agreed to lead Kelly to the site of her remains for $25,000. Once identification of the remains was confirmed, Beth Holloway was to pay the remaining $225,000 to van der Sloot.

Van der Sloot received the $25,000 from Beth Holloway and led Kelly to a specific site in Aruba. He identified the site as the location where Natalee Holloway's remains were buried, although he knew that information was false.

Van der Sloot kept the $25,000, but later confirmed by e-mail that the information he had provided was "worthless."

The Indictment also seeks forfeiture of $25,100.00, the amount Joran is alleged to have received.

I haven't seen the Indictment yet, but I assume will be on PACER shortly. [Update: Here's a copy.]One thing I haven't seen (and don't expect to): Whose idea was it for Joran to contact Kelly? Did Joran come up with it, or did the Holloway camp (i.e. detectives)get word to him that such an overture would be welcome?

In any event, Joran has bigger problems than this extortion case. He'd probably welcome extradition to the U.S. as a way to get out of prison in Peru, but I don't see that happening. Here's the Interpol warrant for his arrest on the Alabama charges and their press release on the cooperative arrest efforts of Chile and Peru.

It's not entirely clear when Interpol and the U.S. issued the warrants, but it appears to be June 3, which is after Flores was killed. The treaty between Peru and the U.S. would also govern which country gets first dibs, although if I remember correctly, it also provided they could agree to what ever they wanted.

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    IMO this is despicable conduct, if (none / 0) (#1)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 06:37:44 PM EST

    Despicable Conduct? (none / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 07:09:06 PM EST
    From which side?

    5 days late and a dollar more! (none / 0) (#3)
    by Untold Story on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 07:43:53 PM EST
    Obviously he must have declared $10,000 cash going into Aruba - although I don't know the amount of cash allowed in - doubt if it is that much because of drug traffic.  Do know Australia, for instance, is $10,000, and thought coming into US is $8,000 and parts of Europe $8,000.

    Okay, am sure he knew what he was doing and didn't try and hide any in his socks, etc.

    Body found early morning hours of June 2nd - this dated June 3rd - seems it may have gotten lost on someone's desk until news from Peru crossed the wires.

    Cannot imagine carrying $10,000 cash in Aruba.  One doesn't wear jewelry or show anything of value in the Carribean or South America.  

    What if someone in Customs (Aruba) upon declaration of the $10,000 cash contacted outside sources and thereby placed Kelly's own life at risk?

    This, imo, is an unintelligent and poorly thought out act of revenge and served no real purpose other than a self-serving one for the party feeling wronged.  

    Actually, he should have had to have declared it (none / 0) (#8)
    by scribe on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 09:23:54 PM EST
    on leaving the US.

    There's a statute which provides for forfeiture of undeclared cash in excess of (IIRC) $5,000, even when the person carrying it is leaving the US.

    And they use dogs trained to sniff out cash, too.


    are you sure the (none / 0) (#9)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 09:27:28 PM EST
    limit is $5,000? I thought it had to be more than $10,000. I haven't looked in a while though.

    Could be. (none / 0) (#21)
    by scribe on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 07:46:16 PM EST
    Last time I ran across it, a colleague's client had sold his gas station in anticipation of moving home to wherever it was he'd immigrated here from and got stopped at the airport with his proceeds, well in excess of either $5k or $10k.

    But that was pre 9/11, too.


    Thought it was $8,000 a few years ago (none / 0) (#10)
    by Untold Story on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 09:35:22 PM EST
    However, he may have gone in a private jet and they don't have to all the hoops commerical travelers do.

    But,yet,in Aruba with $10,000 cash - Kelly is one lucky one to be left standing!


    Joran was almost certainly set up... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Yes2Truth on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 07:59:11 PM EST

    but who cares when The Man sets up someone they're
    "sure", mostly, is guilty?

    Do you live in Arizona? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Untold Story on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 08:13:32 PM EST
    Question........ (none / 0) (#6)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 08:25:08 PM EST
    What would be the significance of knowing who precipitated the money for alleged remains deal?

    it could be (none / 0) (#7)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 09:22:44 PM EST
    vicarious entrapment. Also called derivative or private entrapment. Where the person inducing the defendant to commit the crime is not a government agent, but convinces someone to participate in a government sting.

    Most federal courts don't recognize it, but some do, in certain circumstances. Here's a case.

    The key factor is whether the defendant was pre-disposed to commit the crime -- if but for the improper inducement, he wouldn't have engaged in the illegal conduct. In regular entrapment cases, the inducement is by the Government. In vicarious or indirect cases, it's by a third party, either an informant or a private party.

    If someone working with the FBI in planning the sting(or who later brought the FBI in) convinced Joran to call Kelly, and Joran wasn't pre-disposed to commit the crime, it's an argument he could make. I doubt it would succeed, that doesn't mean it shouldn't be made, if that's what happened.

    On a non-legal level, I think it's dirty pool to create a crime, convince someone who was not even thinking about committing a crime to contact a third person  who then puts crime in motion, and bringsin the FBI to ensure it goes through in a way the person can be prosecuted and convicted.


    It happened to me (none / 0) (#12)
    by Yes2Truth on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 08:25:02 AM EST

    I was led to believe that I would be sent to prison for five years if I didn't plead guilty.

    I was NOT made aware of what deferred adjudication is, and that MS doesn't have it...or didn't at
    the time.


    end result (none / 0) (#11)
    by pac on Wed Jun 30, 2010 at 11:58:16 PM EST
    Mrs. Twitty would do anything to find out what happened to Natalee. How can anyone question her motive?

    Mr. Kelly was her "advisor" and "legal representation" who should have known about many of Joran's false stories? and then the fact that Mr. Kelly thought Joran mentally incorrect. He decided the chance Joran might tell the truth was worth taking? or knew Joran would lie and there was an attempt to set him up for extortion?

    Why didn't Mr. Kelly call the FBI sooner rather than later?

    For the average person sorting and without knowing the exact wording of the communication between Mr. Kelly and Joran? can't offer opinion.

    What is the end result?  Mrs. Twitty might have a better chance of learning what happened to Natalee but not as a direct result of the initial agreement? On the 5th anniversay of Natalee's disappearance Stephany is murdered in Joran's hotel room. How could a coincidence like that not be mind blowing? Joran is locked up in jail in Peru and possibly should have served time for the disappearance of Natalee?

    Mrs. Van Der Sloot said that Joran was "paranoid" and thought he was being followed in Peru? She claims she was in process of trying to deal with Joran's obvious mental instability when he left her a note. She hasn't seen Joran again but only can't "fathom" what happened. She continues to believe that Joran did not murder Natalee? and wished that he had "listened to his mother" and he would not be in jail in Peru?

    The end result for Stephany's family is that they have a dead daughter. She was with Joran at a hotel room in Peru at the same time he was under investigation for alledged extortion. Joran fled to Peru to gamble but now claims he was lured, having told many stories, yet it is known that he was given money. Joran's confession reads that he and Stephany ended in an altercation resulting from an argument about the Holloway case. There are mentions of crime scene inconsistencies.

    The end result for Mr. Van Der Sloot is possibly death with a contributing factor.. due to the unknown circumstances, having been accused at one time or another as being engaged in sex, a party to murder, and more. Could he have been innocent of at least some of what he ended portrayed via media? At his death Mr. Mansur hoped that "God would forgive him" and that is saying something isn't it?

    Joran and Stephany, at the time of murder, were located at a cheap hotel with an alleged curious camera directed at Joran's room. At one point Joran claimed that he and Stephany were abducted and another story about two men dressed as police. Was he "paranoid" or considering the circumstances and background "rightfully paranoid" about something or just a "serial killer" on the loose?

    Did Mr. Kelly have a gain in reputation or end with controversy?

    Joran confessed to murdering Stephany and is in jail in Peru. The background following Natalee's disappearance leading to Stephany's murder is yet to be proven or untangled. With various end reults for various people, stings, possible set ups, hints of underworld, mental instability, agendas, egos and opinions.. some truths will emerge but also the possibility of a distorted version presented due to power stuggle.

    Why not just give Joran a million dollars, or more money, for his version?


    Putting other lives at risk (none / 0) (#13)
    by Untold Story on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 09:32:38 AM EST
    is a good motive to not 'do anything' to achieve one's desires.  Perhaps therapy might have been a better choice and handling what must be an extremely difficult situation many families are forced to deal with.

    Viligante retaliation is not the way and, as in this case, only leads to further destruction.  

    In my opinion, it is much like the death penalty.  So much could be gained from studying people with serious mental illness which leads to the murdering of others.  Why can't the money used to maintain death facilities be better spent on acquiring knowledge so as to help identify those at risk early and take steps to rehabilitate.    


    It Would be Nice if... (none / 0) (#14)
    by ScottW714 on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 10:17:15 AM EST
    ... someone investigated the remaining $225,000. Was it used and/or sent anywhere, say Peru, or some anonomous bank in the Caymans.  Is it still in America is something I really want to know.

    It's fairly obvious that the family was willing to get VdS at all costs.  If it were me and he burned me for $25k, I might have my people look into alternative measures.  And those measures would be a hell of a lot easier to execute in a country with rampant poverty and a questionable criminal justice system.

    I would also like to know the amount the family has spent on tracking down their daughter and investigating VdS.

    Lastly, what was VdS thinking, taking the payoff is definitely his OJ moment.  He got away with whatever it is, even if it's nothing, then he decides that his freedom isn't enough ??  He is probably getting railroaded, but at some level he is the one that started this whole debacle in motion.  Greed has landed him in a Peruvian jail.

    Question about the $250,000 (none / 0) (#15)
    by Untold Story on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 11:19:56 AM EST
    being offered as a reward for information about the location of NH remains, etc.

    Has this trust fund ever been investigated?  Is it the money BH is using to set up her new career paths under various different names, the last of which is called "International Safe Travel Information"? (I believe it is the last, but might not be - hard to keep up with the name-changes.)

    Say, if the average Joe, overheard someone say something about this crime and thought he knew where the remains might be - but having doubts about whether in fact the $250,000 still exists or has been spent already on other things, wants some guarantee of say $25,000 before putting his life on the line and coming forward with the possible information.  However, the information may not be correct as it is heresay.  Does that amount to extortion?  


    It is said the family have spent very little (none / 0) (#16)
    by Untold Story on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 11:37:04 AM EST
    of their own money.  

    Aruba, at the outset, were very giving, including little kindergardeners selling bracelets in an effort to find this missing girl.

    It is stated that Aruba spent over half of its police force budget on finding Natalee.  Don't know what The Netherlands spent, but a ton, I would imagine, as they sent jets and other expensive equipment to Aruba to aid in the search.  The US also put loads of money into the search.  Tim Miller did not receive a dime it is stated.  Donations poured in from all over the world.

    Dave Holloway and Beth Twitty seem to have different trust funds it was also stated.

    Plenty of lies were told on both sides - starting with Natalee's scholarship straight through medical school.  Natalee was awareded a $1,000 scholarship to UA by a family member involved in the awarding of the scholarship according to reports.  Another scholarship was, according to Greta, was the President Cabinet Scholarship to UA in the amount of $5,000 total, or, $625 per semester.  Hardly, a through medical school scholarship as so often stated.  Natalee, also, apparently, contrary to what is being stated by BT was not a honor student - but had good grades.

    While this is neither here or there, is does come back to the $250,000 award offered for information to find Natalee's remains - I believe it is $1M to find her alive.  Since Joran's request was in this same amount (another coincidence?) perhaps it will prompt an investigation as to where exactly the donations in the search for Natalee have gone.

    If these donations given for the search of Natalee are now commingled with other projects, has a crime been committed, and if so, could it too amount to extortion?

    The other interesting item which has been stated, but yet, surprisingly, the media protect, is that Beth Twitty (Holloway) would be arrested or served if she enters Aruba.  The charges, from what I read, would be in connection with obstruction of justice, non-payment of bills and the bribing of witnesses.  Don't know anything more about this, but some light on this might be worthwhile since we are in the midst of what seems to be a set-up paid for by BH, but carried out by her representative in Aruba.

    My own thoughts and opinions.


    What do you mean ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 04:09:04 PM EST
    ... by "alternative measures"?  By suggesting that you "the family was willing to get VDS at all costs", and then stating you would have your "people look into alternative measures", are you suggesting that NH's family actually did so?

    Which poster are you addressing? (none / 0) (#18)
    by Untold Story on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 04:43:27 PM EST
    Don't believe I said anything about alternative measures so it's not me altho your respond appears below my last post . . .?

    To ScottW714 (none / 0) (#19)
    by Yman on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 06:52:53 PM EST
    You can tell by clicking on "parent", or by changing your view to "threaded" in your preferences.

    Got it, thank you! (none / 0) (#20)
    by Untold Story on Thu Jul 01, 2010 at 06:55:54 PM EST
    I Wasn't Suggesting They Set-up a Murder. (none / 0) (#22)
    by ScottW714 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 09:10:15 AM EST
    ... it's an angle that should be investigated.  If anything, it could provide some doubt on VdS guilt.

    I was speaking first person and I will say it again, if the clown I thought killed my daughter burned me for $25k, and I had $225k at my disposal...

    It's not rocket science.  I am definitely not suggesting they set-up a murder, but it would not surprise me if they were trying to set-up something else and it went really wrong.


    Except, you didn't ... (none / 0) (#23)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 03:52:06 PM EST
    ... "say it again" - you didn't even say it once.  The first time you said you would have your "people look into alternative measures" (whatever that means), then you said "if the clown I thought killed my daughter burned me for $25k, and I had $225k at my disposal..."

    Whatever you were intimating, if you really were just speaking solely in the first person your comment makes no sense.  The discussion is about the JVDS/BH extortion case, not a hypothetical situation involving yourself, and you go on to say it's something hat should be investigated, as well as offering an alternative (they were trying to set up "something else).

    Either way, it'd be nice to see some facts/evidence to back up the speculation, before people start accusing BH of all kinds of nefarious plots.

    BTW - The fact that he was offered $250,000 (and paid $25,000) for information does not mean BH actually has $225,000 at her disposal.


    Jumping into this fire . . . (none / 0) (#24)
    by Untold Story on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 04:11:45 PM EST
    People from all the world donated to bring a reward to find Natalee's body or information on what happened to her up to $250,000. Wouldn't it be nice to know that their money is still intact -or if $25,000 was paid to JVdS from the Trust which was supposed to be set up to find Natalee?

    Otherwise, IF this money is not in the Trust as it should be, would this not too be extortion of donations for a cause but then misappropriated?


    More speculation .... (none / 0) (#25)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 04:38:48 PM EST
    ... with no evidence, in the form of a question.

    No thanks.


    Unsubstantiated accusations (none / 0) (#32)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 09:59:38 PM EST
    of misconduct are not acceptable here. Please get back to Joran.

    Sorry, out of bounds! (none / 0) (#33)
    by Untold Story on Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 11:09:13 AM EST
    As the FBI Confirmed (none / 0) (#26)
    by kasey9 on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 05:37:49 PM EST
    As the FBI confirmED...in affadavit that it was the private funds of Beth Twitty, and maybe she already knew that she would not need to come up with the additional 225,000 as they would have had or they were "suppose" to have had enough to arrest him on wire fraud - once the initial transfer was complete.

    Whos to say how much Beth Twitty has at her disposal, after all she did interview after interview and copyrights were certainly sold in permission and release of Natalies photos and videos...

    Obviously the 25,000 was simply enough to entice perhaps a desperate for money - 22 year old poker player....to take the bait!

    Dave Hollaway also interviewed on GMA and states it was all Beth, he knew nothing about the idea or money until it was released!

    It certainly portrays a person that would be completely satisfied to have this 22 year old impriosned for any reason...such as wire fraud... especially with considering he was never convicted for her unsolved missing daughters case and she never stopped accusing him yet!

    It still does not amke him a murder in either Aruba or Peru...the last i knew he has not been convicted in either!


    Precisely ... (none / 0) (#28)
    by Yman on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 07:47:30 PM EST
    Whos to say how much Beth Twitty has at her disposal

    ... my point.

    Yet that, or a lack of any other facts/evidence,  never stops people from dreaming up more "theories" about her ...


    Realistically, she would more likely (none / 0) (#29)
    by kasey9 on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 09:07:23 AM EST
    Realistically, she would more likely have access to a large sum of money such as 200,000 plus - after selling all her copyrights and paid interviews to the networks...as opposed to her not having access to 200,000 plus dollars.  

    Scott - (none / 0) (#27)
    by Untold Story on Fri Jul 02, 2010 at 06:15:03 PM EST
    Don't you think they took advantage of Joran at a very vunerable time in his life?  His father had just died (Feb 12) and the first contact to Kelly (which well may not have been the 'first contact', and perhaps that we will never know who actually contacted who first) was March 29.  The trap was set about April 10th.

    Joran had sold his little coffee shop in Thailand (and, if he were in sex trafficking, I doubt very much if he would bother making coffee, sandwiches, etc., to the tune of $20,000 a year!).  Obviously he didn't have money.  His family had spent whatever little money they had over the course of the five years in trying to defend themselves and Joran from the continual attacks and continual investigations that resulted in absolutely nothing more than chaos for Aruba over a period of five years. Money was tempting when offered by media and I would imagine any seventeen, eighteen or nineteen year old just might begin to think he or she should just take the media up on some of their many offers.

    What did happen to the $250,000 donated by people all over the world?  Is it in a Trust fund to find Natalee as it was specifically given to be?

    Why is that such a hard question to get answered?

    Why is there no forthcoming information as to the Trust, its name, etc.  People who contributed to this Fund, imo, have the right to know what happened to the funds they selfishlessly donated.

    And, as one poster just suggested, if BT didn't ever intend to pay $250,000 as she represented - what does that say about her character in general?
    Then it could be termed as a deceitful and an act of theachery, imo.

    My thoughts and opinions only.


    untold story (none / 0) (#42)
    by pac on Mon Jul 05, 2010 at 12:22:49 PM EST
    Untold Story:  I don't suppose anyone has taken advantage of Joran ,just finding a way to go about whatever needs to be done.

    What do you think about the questions that Joran was unable to answer while giving a confession? Possibly temporary insanity or more to the untold story?

    I have worked through some of the process but notice a few unusual areas.


    what questions? (none / 0) (#43)
    by Untold Story on Mon Jul 05, 2010 at 01:14:41 PM EST
    If it is from Grace or Jossie I don't want to know really - anything authentic on that being the case?

    New post up on Joran (none / 0) (#31)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Jul 03, 2010 at 09:58:10 PM EST
    and  the lawsuit his lawyer has filed against the attorney who represented him at the confession here.

    Please take your discussions of Beth Holloway that do not pertain to Joran's case somewhere else. Any comments with potentially libelous accusations will be deleted.

    Untold Story (none / 0) (#34)
    by pac on Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 11:50:52 AM EST
    Untold Story:

    Like I told you at an earlier date, I don't expect to ever fully understand due to the missing truths in the smaller details but? maybe

    I remember reading on this site when I first came here that the date, anniversary of Natalee's disappearance, etc. no coicidence. Just how that is I don't know but do you believe what happened is just coincidence?  or there was some kind of something or some nature, some contributing factor, some something or just now think all a coincidence?  Curious

    One more thing, what much could Joran ever expect out of life if he was set free? Maybe from beginning to end mishandled?  Maybe playing poker in jail will only provide him with a better life than he could expect out here in the real world at this point? Just a thought?

    One notice about Mr. kelly, yes   having read that he went to meet Joran in Aruba as a friend rather than an attorney? but when Joran supposedly contacted Mr. Kelly, Joran considered him an attorney?  How do you figure? Is there any chance that if Mr. Kelly had suggested that Joran have a lawyer present, considering his many 'unstable' confession style tales, that Stephany would be alive today? I ask that but also realize that the mishandling began long before, just possibly continued?

    Pac (none / 0) (#39)
    by Untold Story on Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 08:23:27 PM EST
    I don't know the answers to any of this - but feel so-called personal trusts with banks being set up in the name of victims is getting out of hand as no accounting has to be made, it seems, as to where the funds actually go.  They are tax free so the IRS doesn't have access either (to the best of my limited knowledge).

    It seems to be a racket - sorry - but from now on I would never ever give a dime unless more regulation is established as to these special trusts as to how they are spent.

    Peru, as I keep saying, is a mystery from start to finish.  

    Joran has been under a microscope for five years.  Tailed and 'befriended' by private investigators, hunted down, and, yet, just like Aruba, there is no evidence he committed any crime in these past five years?

    Oh, there are lots of wild stories -- such as he changing planes in Bogota and what happens -- suspected of murder.  How ridiculous.

    Thailand is the same thing.  Those videos with him talking with the girls - why is his voice dubbed in English while the girls are not?  They speak English and he doesn't?  It's not his voice.  He does speak English.  End of story.

    He did buy a coffee shop.  He did make pizza, sandwiches and coffee.  He worked every day.  When his father died he sold the shop for very little money (if any).  He made penitence, either grossing or netting $20,000 per year.  Believe me, common sense should tell anyone if he were in this lucrative sex trade, he wouldn't be making sandwiches and coffee on a daily basis.


    arrest with girl (none / 0) (#37)
    by pac on Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 05:47:57 PM EST
    I don't think Mrs. Twitty set up murder, no.

    Whether or not someone might decide to help her out with some kind of something another, as did the investigative reporter in a different type circumstance I don't know.

    Few lady stories like that, such as the cheerleader mother in Texas, don't really know the specifics.

    No reason for Mrs. Twitty to set up murder when she is successfully being helped with an extortion sting? not that she would do something like that anyway, no.

    Joran's mother said he told her he was arrested with a girl, before the death of Stephany.  Maybe someone? decided to get the extortion money back in some odd way, not the FBI but maybe some other senario.

    Untold Story: I have yak a lot today!  but have out of town visitor will be back and check the news in a few days.

    no (none / 0) (#38)
    by pac on Sun Jul 04, 2010 at 05:49:06 PM EST
    When I say maybe someone decided to help Mrs. Twitty in some way, I do not mean with her knowledge.  

    I do not think Mrs. Twitty paid to set up death, or anything illegal.

    checking news (none / 0) (#41)
    by pac on Mon Jul 05, 2010 at 12:18:25 PM EST
    I don't know anything about the money trail and no reason to think that the Twitty's would have anything to do with crime.

    For now I am unable to yak but have had some thoughts about other matters.

    Just chekcing in to see what is happening.

    Not knowing where the other camers were located in the hallway at the Tac and the notice that possibly Joran posed with coffee? assuming that he was aware of the cameracould he have noticed a difference in cameras?

    Although I haven't gone back through other threads to search for answers, have any of you responded about the questions which Joran was unable to answer during interrogation? Curious

    Joran the first time around some benefit of the doubt and knowing that he was also young. By the second time around with an actual known death. ohh but one thing continues my curiousity and that is the missing other female stories? Redundant again but this area leaves me feeling a need to inspect.

    More thoughts but must go for now.

    You are perpetuating this off-topic issue (none / 0) (#45)
    by Untold Story on Mon Jul 05, 2010 at 05:42:50 PM EST

    Thread cleaned of (none / 0) (#46)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jul 05, 2010 at 08:26:17 PM EST
    repeated attempts to hijack it to a discussion of Mrs. Holloway and her new center.

    This is about the legal case, not the Hollways' other endeavors. Railroaded, take note. I'm not going to tolerate your repetitive calls for investigation of unrelated matters. Please take that discussion elsewhere. (And yes, I understand you think it is related. I've decided it isn't.)

    Jeralyn, point noted and.... (none / 0) (#47)
    by railroaded on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 12:09:49 AM EST
    ....understood. It's about Joran in Peru.

    My apologies.


    Jeralyn, furthermore.............. (none / 0) (#48)
    by railroaded on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 03:01:55 AM EST
    repeated attempts to hijack it to a discussion of Mrs. Holloway and her new center.

    Jeralyn, it is not a new centre.

    Effective January 24 2006, The Department of the Treasury, Internal Revenue Service, were pleased to inform upon review the Natalee Holloway Foundation "for tax exempt status we have determined that you are exempt from Federal income tax under section 501 (c) (3) of the Internal Revenue Code." Link here.

    Natalee Holloway Foundation Link here.

    Please send donations to:
    Baker Crow
    Amsouth Bank
    Trust Department
    PO Box 11426
    Birmingham, AL 35202

    Amsouth Bank (suspected money laundering bank for South American drug cartels) is now Regions Bank.

    The fund raisers began in August 2005 with this one raising 110,000 Link here. I could go on and on about fundraisers but desist from doing so.

    The Natalee Holloway Foundation of January 24, 2006, has morphed into the Natalee Holloway Resource Centre (the Donation tab ever so prominent) launched June 8, 2010, which is part of the National Museum of Crime & Punishment, again, Natalee has the upper left frame of website all to herself. Thousands of other U.S. missing teens are not so lucky.


    Jeralyn, please note..... (none / 0) (#49)
    by railroaded on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 03:30:22 AM EST
    ...and please do note that the Department of the Treasury's ADVANCE RULE ENDING DATE is DECEMBER 31, 2010.

    They had to MORPH the Natalee Holloway Foundation prior to December 31, 2010. Coincidence? Business strategy?

    Now that it has morphed, the law enables a prediction that no account or balance sheet detail will ever become available.



    Let it go (none / 0) (#50)
    by Yman on Tue Jul 06, 2010 at 08:56:36 PM EST
    This is about the legal case, not the Hollways' other endeavors. Railroaded, take note. I'm not going to tolerate your repetitive calls for investigation of unrelated matters. Please take that discussion elsewhere. (And yes, I understand you think it is related. I've decided it isn't.)

    Is the concept of "unrelated matters" difficult to understand?


    i did, evidently, you cannot. (none / 0) (#51)
    by railroaded on Wed Jul 07, 2010 at 04:21:26 AM EST