Monday Afternoon Open Thread

Spain's last stand in the World Cup comes this afternoon versus Honduras. With Chile's 1-0 win over Switzerland, Spain's chances hinge on a win today. If they draw, even a win over Chile can not guarantee Spain's passage to the Round of 16 (Switzerland could qualify with a win in its final match with Honduras.) Spain, the pre-tournament favorite, has to win today. And even a win today is no guarantee- only a guarantee that Spain will control its own destiny.

It's a huge match.

Open Thread.

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    Two items of interest: (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:10:28 PM EST
    (1)  NYT article on John Updike archives:  NYT;

    (2)  Greenwald on Yemeni detainee Obama admins. will not ok releasing, despite admission we have no evidence to hold this young man.

    Of interest to whom, she asks? (none / 0) (#20)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:41:03 PM EST
    Answer:  to me.

    I read the Rabbit series (none / 0) (#29)
    by Raskolnikov on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:13:18 PM EST
    When I was 15 or so and have loved Updike ever since.  Unabashedly American, I often recommend him to my English relatives.

    I didn't start reading the Rabbit series (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:26:05 PM EST
    until I was well into adulthood.  Good reads.  Interesting Knopf would publish the first book "as is."  But not too surprising given the era.

    "Rabbits's own burrow" (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 06:41:08 PM EST
    an essay on the political side of Updike by Gore Vidal, lends an interesting perspective to Updike's work that no one will be hearing anytime soon on Charlie Rose..

    Jealousy? (none / 0) (#38)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 06:47:47 PM EST
    I have a library first edition... (none / 0) (#39)
    by Dadler on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 08:16:24 PM EST
    ...of THE SAME DOOR, Updike's first collection of stories. Make me an offer. Lol.

    You ever see Vidal's impersonation of Truman Capote?


    Read Palimpsest (none / 0) (#43)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 09:03:47 PM EST
    if you wanna imagine vividly what that imitation would be like without ever having seen it firsthand..

    Gore gives free rein to his inner evil, scathing queen in that book like it's nobody's business.


    Mailer vs Vidal (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 09:08:19 PM EST
    on the Cavett show still cracks me up to this day, I must say..I believe it's on Youtube.

    Afteroo (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:43:33 PM EST
    Will we get a Monday Afteroo thread too?  :)

    Just back from putting Joshua and his Dad (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 02:35:20 PM EST
    on the plane to a titanium rib extension surgery.  It is actually nice to come home and have the distraction of Spain fighting to stay alive in the World Cup.  Keeps me from worrying about things I have no control over.

    He'll be (5.00 / 2) (#28)
    by Zorba on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:03:10 PM EST
    in our thoughts and prayers.  As will you and your husband.  {{Hugs}}

    Thanks Zorba :) (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:16:53 PM EST
    Spain in a must-win? (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:03:33 PM EST
    Hope someone knows the Heimlich on the Spanish sideline:)

    Poor N. Korea...7-0, did they play American Football by mistake?

    At least (none / 0) (#41)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 08:50:19 PM EST
    Portugal didn't rub it in by going for 2.

    France, England, Spain and Italy (none / 0) (#3)
    by magster on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:22:28 PM EST
    all fighting for their soccer lives.  Pretty nutty.  If Spain loses, they'll join Cameroon and North Korea as the only teams eliminated after the first 2 games.

    France's implosion (none / 0) (#24)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 04:02:31 PM EST
    makes spectacular theater, even on this side of the language barrier.

    At this point, anything's possible with that team, even dumping the match just to spite the manager.


    I don't think of the French as so contentious. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 04:05:19 PM EST
    Any predictions re Mexico v. Uraguay? (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:28:12 PM EST

    Hmmmmm? (none / 0) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 02:43:44 PM EST
    Mexico is ready to play, Uruguay has been slow to warm.  Still, perhaps they are ready to get serious.  I'll go Uruguay.

    MT, is it less worrisome to you to (none / 0) (#27)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 04:22:52 PM EST
    be w/Joshua for the surgery than to be home while Dad and Joshua handle this round?

    I do worry less when I'm with him (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:14:30 PM EST
    I'm alway busy then, traveling, doing the pre-op, trying to keep him up late the night before so his wait the next day isn't as long for him, then the healing time, making sure he gets pain meds on time. They just got one of those stupid pill/med dispensers last time and the nurses sure were already sick of it because you can't get the kids' pain meds early by even a few minutes, then start down the hall making the rounds to your patients.  It really seemed to mess with how well they were able to take care of their patients.  There are no early meds acquired.  If you have a kid in extreme pain fifteen minutes before the next does it is pointless to try to call their doctor too.  By the time you get through and get permission for an early dose or something extra the kid has suffered the whole time and now can finally have the next dose.  I hate it like mad, but it kept me busy.  I'm glad you brought this up because it reminded to explain the new meds situation to my husband so he can plan accordingly.  He puts his foot down on stuff like this better than I do right at the start, and he will have orders for something to be available to Joshua that first night if the pain breaks through.  Then I will get from him what it was that they figured out and use it next time when I go with him.

    I admire your courage and stamina (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:20:52 PM EST
    as well as that of your son and husband.  

    Thanks (none / 0) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:27:49 PM EST
    How did they not call that hand ball? (none / 0) (#5)
    by magster on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:36:05 PM EST
    What is this, the NBA?

    nice goal (none / 0) (#7)
    by CST on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:47:44 PM EST
    from spain.

    The reign of Spain rides mainly on their playin' (none / 0) (#8)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 01:49:57 PM EST
    I'm confident they can do what needs to be done. They already had a close crossbar ...


    David Villa gats it done this time. I want to see them racking up the goals this game to seal the deal.

    OK. I'll admit it.; That's funny. (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:41:42 PM EST
    I think you got it! ;-) n/t (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:55:29 PM EST
    By George, she got it (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by jondee on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 06:33:51 PM EST
    Which 'As the World Cup Turns' soap RU following? (none / 0) (#9)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 02:22:31 PM EST
    • Les Miz: for examples of tournament p!ssiness, France has been a veritable p!ssoir; too many ridiculous moments to list but it's a cast of thousands, each apparently determined to have a turn in the spotlight.
    • England: geez, what a bunch of mopes. Shake it off and get over it already. Last I read, they went out for a team meeting over beers to air some grievances after Gerrard ragged on the fans for disloyalty, then apologized, then ragged on media for making him apologize.
    • Azzurri: The usual 60-million headed hydra of an Asst. Coach picking apart Coach Lippi, pre-emptively so on potentially starting Pirlo. IMO all this crap is the Jan Brady Syndrome against Masha Masha Masha from Brazil.

    Sadly, this is only a handful of the non-playing related headlines taking away from some exciting ups and downs over the weekend.

    honestly (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by CST on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 02:31:50 PM EST
    I am experiencing some serious schadenfreude watching the European teams self destruct.  Couldn't tell you why exactly.

    But France has been by far the best.  I mean, you got the coach sending people home, the team refusing to practice and the former star who disgraced the team last year being interviewed about this year's problems.  Not to mention the fact that if it weren't for a well-placed handball in qualifying they wouldn't even be here.  And that was done by the player on the team it's easiest to actually like - who isn't even playing in the cup.

    The icing on the cake would be if they lose to South Africa.  I REALLY hope they lose to South Africa.


    Contrast the 'handball' goal with Brazil's from .. (none / 0) (#15)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:07:42 PM EST
    ... Fabiano. Basically, he said 'Yeah it was totally a handball and you know what? IT WAS MY FAVORITE GOAL!' ::LOL::

    (How did David Villa miss that PK?)

    I'm also enjoying the soap about (ESP keeper) Casilla being distracted by sportscaster/ GF Sara Carbonera who was covering from pitch-side.  


    an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity w/o name (none / 0) (#22)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:52:54 PM EST
    "I tried to convince them that what they were doing was an aberration, an imbecility, a stupidity without name," Domenech said ...

    referring to the players' mini-strike Sun., when players refused to train.

    Who put the absinthe in the water bottles?

    I join you in hoping that S.Africa gives them a righteous spanking. Some of those fans have been saving for YEARS for a seat at the WC. Would be a shame for the host nation to be eliminated with visitors like Les Miz in their Group.


    2nd goal Spain (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 02:39:32 PM EST
    Looks like they plan on surviving.  Honduras doesn't have the offense to challenge.

    Is this credible? Rahm to leave (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 02:56:34 PM EST
    WH in 6-8 months because admins. not willing to "bang heads together" to get program in place. link

    A girl can dream (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:16:39 PM EST
    Crap (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:18:16 PM EST
    If he leaves I have to come up with a new sig line for the Cheetoh Festival when I visit on occasion.

    Sounds about right (none / 0) (#16)
    by waldenpond on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:09:24 PM EST
    I give no credit to the 'because'.....

    As MY points out  [Bill Clinton and Ronald Reagan each had four chiefs of staff during the course of their eight years in office, and George H.W. Bush had three in a single term, so consequently I wouldn't find it shocking if Rahm Emanuel steps down sometime after the midterms]

    so two years would be about right, it doesn't seem like a fun job.  Two years to build whatever power you can and then on to the next step on the ladder.


    But ... but ... I'm not finished detesting him yet (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 03:25:15 PM EST
    Oh well, gotta take the bitter with the sweet.

    He'll be around (5.00 / 4) (#26)
    by scribe on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 04:05:32 PM EST
    His kind never go away.

    Like toenail fungus. (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 05:28:25 PM EST
    Rahm disputes, complete with ridiculous photo (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ellie on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 08:43:12 PM EST
    ... here  at Politics Daily (via Salon)

    The former Illinois congressman does serve at the pleasure of the president -- as do all appointees -- and has discussed the toll the job has taken on him, the father of three young children, and his family.

    Does anyone know the identities of the addditional father and three young ones?


    Eats shoots and leaves. (none / 0) (#47)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 09:49:26 PM EST
    I was catching up on recorded (none / 0) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 09:32:10 PM EST
    Colbert Report.  I shouldn't have missed this one on the day it played, oh well.  It's still funny.

    As the NYT article points out, Updike (none / 0) (#46)
    by oculus on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 09:47:29 PM EST
    was a student at Harvard when others were being sent to Korean War.  

    Good News (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Mon Jun 21, 2010 at 10:38:13 PM EST
    While the president recently urged Mr. Orszag to remain, the calendar for drafting the next budget weighed in favor of Mr. Orszag's leaving sooner. So did Mr. Orszag's personal calendar: He is getting married in September [family time]......

    ....In recent months, Mr. Orszag, 41, has espoused deficit reduction strategies in administration debates against those who pressed for more stimulus spending and tax cuts to keep the economy from slipping back into recession.


    Seems too GOP.

    Orzag is an acolyte of (none / 0) (#49)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 12:13:57 AM EST
    confirmed Social Security and Medicare hater Pete Peterson.

    It would be great if Orzag's departure marked the end of this administration's obsession with destroying the social safety net and its flirtation with deficit hawkishness, but I fear the fix is already in as far as those are concerned.


    An article in Rolling Stone (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 01:23:41 AM EST
    is really going to muck things up about General McChrystal.  I don't like McChrystal's past dealings prior to the Obama administration...not one little bit.  When he went to work for Obama though and did things the way Obama wanted them done, I have zero problems....and in fact I have a frickin fierce loyalty now.  I knew that Biden doesn't like McChrystal or his COIN strategies, and I knew that Holbrooke, Biden, and James Jones have tried to gang up on and feck McChrystal up.  But I just read in the Times that the Rolling Stone story seems to line out who is in the McChrystal camp and that would be Gates and Hillary.  I will never get credit though for developing my own loyalties being the PUMA that I am :)  I am loyal to McChrystal and his "ideas" not because I think they are the only thing that will work and everything that Biden, Holbrooke, and Jones would like to do would amount to little more than dressed up war crimes.....but probably because I'm sich a PUMA <snark> :)  Why am I always agreeing with Hillary?  It gets tiresome being such a PUMA and I'm so brainwashed apparently I know what Hillary would want me to think before she goes public with it :)

    I just read a CBS story on this too (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jun 22, 2010 at 01:57:13 AM EST
    that is about 30 mins old.  McChrystal is apologizing but continuing to talk a lot too which is odd, very very odd.  I think he wants out of the Afghanistan mission if the Obama administration isn't going to listen to him as to what needs to happen.  He definitely isn't signing up for more collateral damage and once Holbrooke and Biden and Jones have him out of the way there will be much much more of that.  I hope my husband knows he has DEFINITELY done his last tour under what will be the "new rules" if McChrystal goes.  McChrystal has given enough to this mission.  There is no use in fighting with anyone at this point.  He does nothing but work and work and work and it has been that way for years now, he doesn't get vacations like pols do and wouldn't even take them if he had them to take. I don't see how he could give more and maybe at this juncture he needs to give less and get out of this snakepit while the getting is good.