Monday Afternoon Open Thread

I've spent way too much time on Rielle Hunter and John Edwards and need to get back to work. BTD has also been very busy.

Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I just found out (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by scribe on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:21:03 PM EST
    Peter Gabriel turned 60 last month.

    Exceedingly hard to believe, harder to accept.  And he's still breaking new ground.

    Some other famously young musicians ... (none / 0) (#25)
    by cymro on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:35:29 PM EST
    ... are in the vicinity:

    Steve Winwood (61) will be 62 in May
    Peter Frampton (59) will be 60 in April

    ... and even younger:

    Mike Oldfield (56) will be 57 in May
    Neal Schon (Santana, Journey) just turned 56 in February.


    Bummer... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 10:07:09 AM EST
    he won't be performing with Genesis at their hall o' fame induction...I love me some old school medieval space-age prog-rock Genesis.

    Get Em Out By Friday...what a heavy dystopian song.  "Foxtrot" is crazy.


    Agree on the old school. (none / 0) (#72)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 10:34:33 AM EST
    The early stuff with Phil just playing the drums and Peter out front is much, much better than the later stuff after Peter left.  

    What a show they put on... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 10:40:53 AM EST
    my friend had this old bootleg VHS tape of a mid-late 70's Genesis concert...Gabriel with the make up and costumes singing "Watcher of the Skies", "Selling England by the Pound" and sh*t...wild wild stuff...talk about trippy.

    Not much a fan of Collins the vocalist, but he's one outta sight drummer, old Genesis had a lotta whacky rhythyms and melodies going on....definitely not dance music.


    Kudos to Sean Wilentz (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:01:50 PM EST
    for defending President Grant:

    As president, Grant was determined to achieve national reconciliation, but on the terms of the victorious North, not the defeated Confederates. He fought hard and successfully for ratification of the 15th Amendment, banning disenfranchisement on account of race, color or previous condition of servitude. When recalcitrant Southern whites fought back under the white hoods and robes of the Ku Klux Klan, murdering and terrorizing blacks and their political supporters, Grant secured legislation that empowered him to unleash federal force. By 1872, the Klan was effectively dead.

    For Grant, Reconstruction always remained of paramount importance, and he remained steadfast, even when members of his own party turned their backs on the former slaves. After white supremacists slaughtered blacks and Republicans in Louisiana in 1873 and attempted a coup the following year, Grant took swift and forceful action to restore order and legitimate government. With the political tide running heavily against him, Grant still managed to see through to enactment the Civil Rights Act of 1875, which prohibited discrimination according to race in all public accommodations.

    [. . .]

     Around 1900, pro-Confederate Southern historians began rewriting the history of the Civil War and cast Grant as a "butcher" during the conflict and a corrupt and vindictive tyrant during his presidency. And the conventional wisdom from the left has relied on the bitter comments of snobs like Henry Adams, who slandered Grant as the avatar of the crass, benighted Gilded Age.

    Though much of the public and even some historians haven't yet heard the news, the vindication of Ulysses S. Grant is well under way. I expect that before too long Grant will be returned to the standing he deserves -- not only as the military savior of the Union but as one of the great presidents of his era, and possibly one of the greatest in all American history.

    Every high school student learns about (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by andgarden on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:52:13 PM EST
    the corruption. The narrative Wilentz presents is brushed over. And I stand with him in not letting the Redeemer historians get away with that anymore.

    Grant was much more than bloodthirsty, corrupt, and incompetent.


    Huh? (none / 0) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 10:07:55 PM EST
    Surely you aren't scared of having some ideas that run contrary to yours out there.

    Actually, Jim, the (none / 0) (#67)
    by Inspector Gadget on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 11:13:15 PM EST
    blending of church and state was also part of the changes in the Texas Textbook topic in earlier threads.

    Contrary ideas are pretty healthy for everyone. Reasoning skills are better developed when more than one opinion is considered...and, an open mind to give opposing ideas a chance to challenge what we already think is an added bonus.



    Capitalism: A Love Story (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:21:24 PM EST
    Watched it.

    Knew it was going to make me angry.

    It did.

    Next up. Check out Digby on (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:24:21 PM EST
    culture at Lehman Brothers.

    Aargh. (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Dr Molly on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:30:47 PM EST
    The incredible sense of entitlement is just....



    "Dead Peasant Insurence" (none / 0) (#28)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:47:21 PM EST
    I have to admit, that was a new one on me.

    Compared to that level of perversity, the Marquis de Sade might as well have been Mr Rodgers.

    I keeping flashing on that Tommy Lee Jones character
    in No Country for Old Men: "Who ARE these people?"


    "I refuse to live in a country like this. (none / 0) (#60)
    by cenobite on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 07:17:30 PM EST
    And I'm not leaving."

    Massive takedown of Krugman on HCR (5.00 / 2) (#27)
    by lambert on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:42:21 PM EST
    This on Medicaid is especially unsaid by "progressives".


    Medicaid has been a godsend for many people, but it is both means- and asset-tested, which translates to if you had any money saved up for retirement or sending your kids to college, you have to spend it all on your health care first before Medicaid will help you. Both conservatives and "progressives" are fond of pointing out that not everyone who is eligible for Medicaid is enrolled in Medicaid, and now you know why. Many a household has lived very frugally on a modest income and managed to save a very modest but important nest egg. Any rational person would not expect them to give that up just to get health care. ...

    And yes, Medicaid was originally a public program. By 2004 it was 60% privatized, and in 2007 was 64% privatized. I don't think this can be considered a "public" program any longer. Expanding Medicaid to cover more people also means expanding the amount of taxpayer dollars we give to the insurance companies, so the bloodsucking parasites win all the way around.

    Now I understand why career "progressives" and the Dem regulars support expanding Medicaid: It's privatized!

    Single adults w/o children or assets (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:56:02 PM EST
    have trouble getting on the MediCal rolls here.  

    People like me (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:58:49 PM EST
    (Single adults without children or assets) pretty much have a hard time getting anything.  And forget about getting a politician to talk to us about our issues!

    Seriously... (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by kdog on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:04:53 PM EST
    we need a lobby or something jb...we are the Rodney Dangerfield of demographics...no respect I tell ya:)

    Yes, I too am deprived (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:45:35 PM EST
    of handouts. I often think of how much more money I would have if I had kids. Thought about it just the other day when I ordered my iPad instead of paying  someone's tuition.



    I'm pretty sure (none / 0) (#32)
    by CST on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:00:51 PM EST
    single adults are not eligible for medicaid.  No matter what their income level.

    It's one of the big problems with medicaid.  You can be homeless and you still don't qualify unless you are disabled, have children, or are over 65.


    Supposedly could be covered in CA. (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:02:08 PM EST
    yea i am not sure (none / 0) (#34)
    by CST on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:03:30 PM EST
    how states differ on that.

    But I believe that is the most common case.


    Varies from state to state--see (none / 0) (#35)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:04:43 PM EST
    coverage for abortions.  State pays, doesn't use fed. $$.  Of course that may be a thing of the past if Stupak/Pitts prevails.

    I don't think (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CST on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:07:22 PM EST
    Stupak will prevail.  Nancy seems to have shut that down.

    But yea, lets hope so certainly.

    Shoot, my state covers a ton of single uninsured people under Masshealth.  I wouldn't be surprised if that was the largest demographic that got insured after the Mass health care bill was enacted.   It seems to be the group most likely to fall through the cracks.


    I filled out the forms... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:08:10 PM EST
    years ago when I thought I needed an MRI and the ER would only give my uninsured arse an x-ray...I remember being just over the income threshold...so homeless probably would qualify, unless they returned too many cans...that was in FLA.

    Veterans (none / 0) (#70)
    by mmc9431 on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 07:11:23 AM EST
    Illinis has a Veterans Care program that allows anyone who is a veteran to buy into the Medicaid program if their income meets the criteria.

    Yes (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:41:25 PM EST
    and don't forget, once you've spent every dime you have so that you can get onto Medicaid, then good luck finding a doctor who will accept it.

    It's a scam.


    Much of this piece is misinformed and/or ... (none / 0) (#49)
    by RonK Seattle on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:28:18 PM EST
    ... wrongly argued. Examples:
    1. Eligible households do NOT count cases below income threshold but above asset limits (as implied here)
    2. Raising income limits (as proposed) does not create adverse pressure on households.
    3. Households enrolled in commercial managed care organizations are about 26% on Medicaid caseload, not 64% (as this piece misreads the Kaiser charts).
    4. etc, etc etc etc

    No time to hit all points, but as Krugman takedowns go it's a swing and a miss.

    What state will give you medicaid (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:41:17 PM EST
    if you are sitting on a 401k from when you could work?  I've never heard of anyone who had any retirement savings getting medicaid.

    Thx for asking - hope this helps (none / 0) (#74)
    by RonK Seattle on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 03:59:31 PM EST
    Note first that HCR does not impose new asset tests on anybody (as implied by the article) -- at minimum it creates new options for large numbers of previous non-eligibles.

    Further, and more to the point of your question -- it raises Medicaid income thresholds, federalizes almost all of the funding, expands eligibility categories (to include childless adults) and does away with (most) asset tests.

    From Kaiser Foundation analysis of Medicaid provisions in the (more conservative) Senate bill [generally retained in the Obama reconciliation, though I can't vouch for detail on all points]:

    Medicaid eligibility for children, pregnant women,
    parents and individuals with disabilities:

    Bases eligibility on modified adjusted gross income (MAGI) without income disregards, assets or resource test

    Eligibility for adults without dependent children:

    Establishes a new eligibility category ... and requires minimum Medicaid coverage at 133% FPL based on modified adjusted gross income (MAGI)

    Note also that modernization reforms of the Federal Poverty Level methodology are in the works - if these succeed, a broad expanse of affected benefit programs will be liberalized as a result.

    [Standard Medicaid covers eligibles up to 100% of FPL in most states; some states do more under waivers of standard regs, and/or add state funding to extend Medicaid-like benefits to additional eligibles.]


    The joys of moving . . . (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 07:48:27 PM EST
    I'm letting The Dot do some barking indoors {grin} Usually I ask for quiet or "indoor voice", but I just don't feel like it. I have to listen to the infants scream, so The Dot can give off a few extra barks, TYVM! :) She's asking for more lentil stew. And I know my LL won't care (about the barking).

    I also won't have to deal with the neighbors doing their laundry while I'm in the shower (ice cold NYC water, OY!). And no more late night walks where we both have to put on layers and do the 3 flights of stairs thing. That always wakes me up and then I'm not tired when we get done.

    I have a long list in my head about other things I won't miss when I move. Next up will be the downside list after I move. I think it will be very short though :) Lil' house with a backyard and sep studio, here we come!

    When is the big day? (none / 0) (#63)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 07:55:48 PM EST
    Mover is Fri/Sat? (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by nycstray on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 08:11:35 PM EST
    me and The Dot fly out Sunday night? I need to call my mover and see what's up as I know he was doing some NY/NE jobs before he picked me up and with the storms and all . . .

    Cool thing is, I have a charity coming to PU a ton of stuff I don't want to move, which is hard in the NYC area. Makes 'editing' down so much easier. Also have my CSA group to take extra canning/preserving stuff that I won't need on the west coast. Extra pet books/items from biz will get PU by a shelter. I see not too many stair hikes in my future ;)


    we're gonna need more popcorn (none / 0) (#2)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:24:45 PM EST
    I always thought (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:35:33 PM EST
    There was more going on between Wilbur and Mr. Ed than Nick at Nite let on....

    was Wilbur (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:46:44 PM EST
    related to Catherine the Great?

    Breeding a new race (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by jondee on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:53:23 PM EST
    of anti-Christian centaurs?

    Ding, ding, ding! (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:27:58 PM EST
    Bravo.  Thanks for the good laugh.

    I watched (none / 0) (#3)
    by vml68 on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:34:10 PM EST
    Il y a longtemps que je t'aime yesterday. I highly recommend it.
    Kristin Scott Thomas's acting was incredible.

    And, it had one of my favorite songs, Dis quand reviendras-tu playing during the closing credits.

    Wonderful film (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:26:18 PM EST
    She was so good. Talk about your Oscar snubs.

    More celebrity stuff: Winslet and Mendes (none / 0) (#4)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:35:26 PM EST
    are divorcing.

    You already know more about it (none / 0) (#14)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:02:48 PM EST
    than I do or will.  

    saw that (none / 0) (#15)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:04:40 PM EST
    and the first thing I thought of was her Oscar speech last year about how she much she loved DiCaprio. And this from two months ago , where she said Leo feels more like her husband than Sam. Her husband always seemed to be the odd man out.

    Old-er news (none / 0) (#17)
    by scribe on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:08:05 PM EST
    When the regular "news" is slow, Gawker collects blind items and has the commenters guess at them.  Winslet and Mendes were one of them about 6 months ago.

    My new favorite (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by lilburro on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:12:26 PM EST
    work hobby is guessing those.  And sadly it's been my hobby for long enough that I had a few in my head when this news broke.

    "Wait, wait. Don't tell me." (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:12:30 PM EST
    WWDTM had a great (5.00 / 2) (#50)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:30:01 PM EST
    news item the other day about a runaway elephant at an Indian wedding, said they managed to subdue him when he (true story, they said) stopped to hump an SUV.

    I adore that show.  Guaranteed laughs for me.


    The Reader or Revolutionary Road? (none / 0) (#40)
    by bridget on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:20:43 PM EST
    If I had my wish Leo and Kate both would have gotten their Oscars for Revolutionary Road.

    And Revolutionary Road should have been nominated for best picture but was ignored. It was absolutely brilliant.

    Kate took The Reader role because it was a Nazi/Jewish film and she thought that was the only way she finally could receive an award after having been nominated practically every single year starting with Sense and Sensibility. She was simply tired of it ....and

    She was right. What does that tell you?

    Not that The Reader wasn't gut (the book was better, of course) -

    but Revolutionary Road was such a great film. Kate and Leo played a couple from the 50s and they did it brilliantly, young as they are.
    btw. and if you haven't seen "The Changeling" with the amazing Angelina Jolie, I highly recommend it to you all. It is a stunning film. A Triller that breaks your heart. Clint Eastwood did it again.


    Saw 'Changeling' a few weeks (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by ruffian on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:40:17 PM EST
    ago and I completely agree. It did not get nearly enough attention. What a heartbreaking story - can't think of anything worse than what she went through, and Jolie was perfect.

    I haven't seen all of Rev Road yet, so I can't comment. I caught the last half hour or so on HBO, but it has not come up in my netflix Q yet. Kate can do no wrong in my book though - I'm sure it was just a tossup as to which film to give her the Oscar for last year., and there may have been behind the scenes reasons to get 'The Reader' more attention. Maybe there was some political bargaining 'well if you're going to compete with our film with the one you do with your husband...you have to do this and that for us.'  I'm sure the Hollywood Dems should be teaching the rest of them about bargaining.

    But I digress....what was saying? Angelina and Kate - both wonderful!


    yes - both wonderful and Angelina gave a Oscar (none / 0) (#65)
    by bridget on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 08:18:03 PM EST
    worthy performance - but as I said in an earlier post, Kate certainly deserved it and I am so happy for her.

    I also don't understand why the Changeling didn't get more attention. It has everything a good thriller should have and then some - and based on a true story (shudder) ... and all the actors did a great job.

    But Whenever I see the actor who played the nasty police man who treated her bad (don't want to say too much and spoil the story)I don't want to see him in another film ... I know this also shall pass ... but he really was a v. scary fellow.


    Because (5.00 / 1) (#69)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 12:04:01 AM EST
    sexual abuse is now PO to talk about (Clint Eastwood film -- can't recall name w/Sean Penn), but how badly women have been treated by authorities, still not PO.

    BackFromOhio, what does PO mean? (none / 0) (#75)
    by bridget on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 04:06:40 PM EST
    I think I know what you are saying and I have decided to find out more that particular subject and how the film industry has dealt with it so far.

    In case you can recommend some articles re women/authorities past and present, please post links. I would v. much appreciate it.

    I was also wondering about women in prisons. I know little about it and overall We hear little about them and how they are being treated. Are their trials fair, are the sentences fair? Lots to think about, lots to find out about .....


    Bridget, sorry (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 07:23:46 PM EST
    I meant PC for politically correct.  And, sorry again, I don't know of articles on the movies in regard to women.  I used to take Latin/Ballroom dance classes at a studio that had an Oscar contest every year the week before the Academy awards.  One of the great questions posed was:  Name great movies that have been passed over by the Oscars. At the time, I named "Cry Freedom".  This year, the Changeling would be most apt.  I'll bet there are other movies that have been passed over because the way they depicted women in a way that was not acceptable in the mainstream culture at the time. Another movie that comes to mind is "Frances", as portrayed by Jessica Lange. An astonishing performance.  I don't know enough psychology or enough about the real person behind the character, but it seemed to me that Frances was involuntarily locked away in mental hospitals in part because she was quite outspoken. At least that's the way she came across in the movie.  
    As for women in prison, I defer to Jeralyn and the other lawyers here who specialize in criminal law.  

    I listened to the book on CD in the car. (none / 0) (#68)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 11:41:43 PM EST
    Then learned the movie, which I did not see, left out the entire opening of the book, which was crucial to understanding the relationship between the lead couple and also their best friends.  

    Thanks for telling me about the book,oculus (none / 0) (#76)
    by bridget on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 04:24:46 PM EST

    the author meant to write about the conformity in the 1950's and how it made people miserable and sick if they wanted to live differently

    e.g. women considered to be mentally sick and sent to psychiatrists etc. when they admitted that homelife did not satisfy them - and everyone told them they should be happy.

    I am looking forward to reading the book and hope to remember to let you know what the film is missing accordingly IMO ... if at all.

    Do watch the film, it is not only excellent but that kind of subject is never old yet rarely dealt with in Hollywood.


    So the men here don't think we overlook (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 07:28:00 PM EST
    them -- I don't think the 1950s were any picnic for men either.  Good movie exposing the 1950s' constraints on all -- Far from Heaven, with Dennis Quaid - overlooked, great performance, and Julianne Moore.

    The book is fairly (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by oculus on Tue Mar 16, 2010 at 11:28:39 PM EST
    depressing. Perhaps because it is not just history for my generation

    Bunker busters being shipped... (none / 0) (#6)
    by desertswine on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:42:53 PM EST
    to Diego Garcia (via Raw Story)?

    Experts say that they are being put in place for an assault on Iran's controversial nuclear facilities.

    Of course, that's just spculation at this point, but worth watching.

    I'm sure we are stocking them (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:44:25 PM EST
    there as part of "the threat".  Bush already gave them very publicly to Israel too I think the year before he left office.  Parting gift

    And in spite of those bombs (none / 0) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:46:27 PM EST
    I'm told by those who have studied the makeup of what is underground that they are extremely hardened in.  It would be tough.

    What's happening with my fave football (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:43:05 PM EST
    player Tim Tebow?  He is eligible for NFL draft.  He can now sign autographs for profit.  Oh, and he didn't score as high as some others on some test.  Did he change his throwing motion?  

    Draft is next month (none / 0) (#8)
    by jbindc on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 03:44:55 PM EST
    But something to make you smile, maybe.

    Tebow (none / 0) (#26)
    by Zorba on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:36:25 PM EST
    and his score on the Wonderlic Test: he scored slightly below average for a quarterback.  Whatever that means.  Dan Marino, one of the top 4 or 5 quarterbacks ever, IMHO, who never got the respect he should have because he played on such a godawful team, scored 15.

    What was his agent thinking? (none / 0) (#59)
    by MKS on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 07:08:16 PM EST
    After Vince Young, no one should let their player take the Wonderlic--unless they know they will score very well.....

    Many players just skip the test....


    I don't think that (none / 0) (#62)
    by Zorba on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 07:55:19 PM EST
    the Wonderlic means a whole heck of a lot, and I'm not sure why the NFL uses it.  You're either a good player, or you're not, regardless of Wonderlic scores.  Come on, Dan Marino scored 15?  Who cares, and who wouldn't want a quarterback with his skills?

    U.S. State Dept. spokesperson says (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:06:06 PM EST
    the department delayed telling consulate employees their family members could relocate from Mexico until released travel warning.  Too late.  Sad.  Travel warning

    And now for something completely different (none / 0) (#23)
    by gavbrown01 on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 04:27:02 PM EST
    I get caught up in all the political debates of our time and sometimes get burned out. Then I look for silly stuff to discuss. Fortunately there's lots of it. Behold! Stickers for Dog Butts! Yes, that's right, Stickers for Dog Butts! You heard me correctly, Stickers for Dog Butts! Don't believe me? http://tinyurl.com/yl48fw2

    Saw that on some (none / 0) (#51)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:33:25 PM EST
    show the other day.  The lady says it's for "gag gifts."  For people who still haven't gotten over the trauma of toilet training, I guess.  One of the rather nicer things about animals is their utter lack of silliness about the basic functions of their bodies.

    Warning: if you go over the (none / 0) (#39)
    by oculus on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:19:16 PM EST
    allotted data plan capacity on smart phone bill will be a shocker!  Did obtain some downward adjustment from cell phone carrier.  

    Massa just lives in the wrong age. (none / 0) (#42)
    by observed on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 05:39:37 PM EST
    I wonder what really happens to the attitudes which people aren't supposed to express now. Do they go away? I doubt it.

    Some people's attitudes will (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:41:01 PM EST
    never go away.  But they're a fairly small number.

    When the state lege was constructing the civil unions law in VT 10 or 15 years ago (under court order, so no choice in the matter), there was a huge, huge hoo-hah that just about tore apart this normally pretty relaxed state.  When Gov. Dean signed the bill, he felt compelled to do it in private.

    Last year, the lege passed, over the current governor's objection, the full marriage equality bill, and there was very little objection by anybody other than that small group of chronic homophobes, many from outside the state.

    Similar trajectory on public opinion in Massachusetts.

    Most people can learn there's no threat to anything here.


    Okay. I just really object to (none / 0) (#52)
    by Zorba on Mon Mar 15, 2010 at 06:34:02 PM EST
    Nixon's disparagement of the Greeks.  He knew nothing, and this is not particularly a big surprise to me.  ;-)