Friday Night Open Thread

Andrew Young has been held in contempt for not turning over the Edwards-Hunter video of a personal nature....no punishment, he gets a few more days to "purge" himself. A copy of the tape has been turned over to the FBI. Court orders here.

Charlie Sheen's Mercedes was stolen from his garage in LA and found wrecked at the bottom of a canyon. Same thing happened to a Bentley and two other luxury cars last night. Sheen quips, "It was nice to have police come to my house and for once I didn't have to leave with them." He and his wife will appear in court in Aspen Monday. Sheen will be charged and the judge will address the modification of the protective order.

The stand-off between the LAPD and the LA District Attorneys' office over the perp walk police were insisting on when Dr. Conrad Murray appears in court for the expected involuntary manslaughter charge in Michael Jackson's death is over. Conrad will get to voluntarily surrender Monday. More from the New York Times.

Howard Stern to replace Simon Cowell on American Idol? I sure hope not.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    I see that Jonde, Jimaka and DA (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:58:41 PM EST
    are still going at in in the Monday night open thread. Maybe they'll get stuck there in a temporo-internet-tuberal vortex---wouldn't that be a shame?

    Oh, jeez (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:21:39 PM EST
    You look that far back?  I'm afraid I don't have the attention span for that.  ;-)

    I had comments I was checking (none / 0) (#8)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:44:14 PM EST
    for replies to, and saw the thread kept on getting longer, and longer as the week went on.

    thanks, I've closed (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:28:46 PM EST
    the thread and am cleaning it of insults and attacks. Dark Avenger, PPJ and Jondee are all going into time out if they don't stop wasting our time (and our bandwidth) with their juvenile spats.

    A time out (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:26:17 PM EST
    yes, I can see how you would say that.

    It is pretty infantile.


    It's the Get A Room Club... (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Anne on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:37:38 PM EST
    doesn't seem to matter what the subject is, when that group shows up in the same thread at the same time, it's all over...

    Agree (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:40:40 PM EST
    And it's such a waste of their time once someone lets me know and I clean the threads. I have no idea why they keep doing it.

    Venting, I think (none / 0) (#9)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:46:24 PM EST
    Never mind whether it advances the thread, as long as they get to vent their spleens, or whatever.  As I said, they should get their own blogs, and then they can do whatever they want.

    Too true (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:42:56 PM EST
    But, as I said, I don't have the attention span for that- I tend to skip over it.  Jeralyn is correct, though- it does clog up the thread, and the bandwidth.  They need to get their own blogs and go at it.

    Extremely valid ponit (5.00 / 2) (#20)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:17:06 PM EST

    point (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by jondee on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:20:59 PM EST
    AND ponit.

    You're a class act jondee.... (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by kdog on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:50:47 AM EST
    you, ppj, and DA certainly ain't the only ones who get carried away...I've been guilty of being the arsehole 100 times at least.  Don't be too hard on yourself:) Speaking for me, the comments wouldn't be the same without your sharp wit...I love your take.  

    Jeralyn generously provides her expert opinions on crime & politics, and a forum to share our thoughts...and all she really asks is for us not to be the arsehole...ya can't beat that deal.  

    I say lets all just try a little harder, myself especially.  


    You're too kind, dog (none / 0) (#73)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:07:22 PM EST
    (and Im sure many here would agree)

    I think The Washington Note has (1.00 / 1) (#10)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:48:45 PM EST
    the most diseased comment threads, which is a shame, because it's a great blog.
    Virtually every thread turns into an argument about Israel, with the same people saying the same things, day after today, to the last syllable and then some.
    Then there is  a guy who calls himself "questions". He's smart, knowledgable and articulate, but it seems like all he does is right long comments which boil down to saying "It's complicated".
    Obviously an Obama voter.

    Many times, it is complicated (2.00 / 0) (#74)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:13:56 PM EST
    as hell.

    Especially Israel. I suppose you could just stand on your head, tap dance and do the buck 'n wing for AIPAC every time, the way a certain former Senator from the great state of New York has done in the past, and it would vastly simplify things.


    Funny how it always comes back ... (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Yman on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:52:03 PM EST
    ... to that with certain people.  But don't you mean "a certain Senator from Illinois?

    Always nothing (1.00 / 0) (#83)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 09:14:03 PM EST
    believe or not, I do find time to talk about other things and people other than that couple that sets your bobbysoxer heart aglow.

    And, just so I understand, is the operative meme that if Obama does it too, that means Hillary's off the hook?


    I would hope so (5.00 / 2) (#84)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:25:08 AM EST
    Of course you do, but nothing sets a CDSer's "heart aglow" like trying take a completely unrelated argument and turn it into an attack on one of them.  Guess it's just the way their minds work.

    BTW - Just so I understand, is it the operative meme that only straw arguments can be used to justify the standard true prog defense? ("But, but.... at least he's not a Clinton!)


    Unrelated argument (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 09:56:23 AM EST
    Lets see: Israel, the complexity of the debate, differing opinions followed up with yet another in the neverending series of gratuitous "must be an Obama supporter" shots.

    Uhhhhm, .... yeah, ... (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 11:52:19 AM EST
    ... but thanks for proving my point.

    Btw I already told you (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 10:37:43 AM EST
    I would've voted for her had she gotten the nomination.

    How "CDS" and hate-filled etc is that?


    As opposed to McCain/Palin ... (none / 0) (#91)
    by Yman on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 11:54:30 AM EST
    ... or a symbolic, protest vote (third party or staying home)?



    You're underwhelmed, I see (none / 0) (#92)
    by jondee on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 12:10:31 PM EST
    I'll try harder in the future :)

    It's snowing and snowing and snowing... (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by Anne on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 08:52:23 PM EST
    we're right in the middle of the bull's eye for this storm, with somehwere between 24-30 inches of snow expected before it all ends sometime late tomorrow...

    From the National Weather Service:






    Gonna fire up the Crock Pot, keep the fireplace going, and hope our karma is such that the power stays on...

    It got down to 73 where I am (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:00:47 PM EST
     a couple of weeks ago.
    I  almost froze.

    Oh, I can't tell you (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:03:12 PM EST
    how sorry I am, observed.  Poor thing.  ;-)

    I was in Hononulu in 2006-2007 (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:06:04 PM EST
    One night it got down into the low 60's.
    Boy did people complain the next day!

    I was down in FL on a (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by nycstray on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:17:32 PM EST
    photo shoot one winter. It got a bit chilly by their standards. Locals would eat indoors at the restaurants while we would eat out on the patios thinking it was oh so warm, lol!~

    We had relitives here (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by cpresley on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:51:32 AM EST
    Three years ago in March. I told my daughters SO that he could keep the relatives straight by how they were dressed. The group from Spokane were in shorts, and the ones from L.A. were in sweats and parkas.

    The food here is terrible, so (none / 0) (#17)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:06:57 PM EST
    you should feel sorry sniff.

    I'm not feeling a bit (none / 0) (#25)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:21:34 PM EST
    sorry for you, observed- I've been to Hawaii, and the whole experience was great.  So was the food.  I've never had such wonderful fresh fruit.  And fish.  And everything.  Mahalo to Hawaii and Hawaiians.

    I'm not in Hawaii now. I"m in the (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:24:01 PM EST
    Caribbean. The food in Hawaii was great.
    I don't think the locals here eat greens much, because you can't get any decent fresh stuff.
    The eggs are so old I don't enjoy them at all.
    Don't get me wrong---it's nice here:)
    But I am something of a foodie, so it's a bit rough that way.

    Oh, the Caribbean (none / 0) (#32)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:33:04 PM EST
    No fresh eggs or greens, but as far as everything else.....I'm just so sorry for all your suffering, observed.  Not.  ;-)

    I hear you (none / 0) (#36)
    by andgarden on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:48:58 PM EST
    The only time I ever encountered stale cereal on sale was in Antigua a few years ago.

    Well, there is that (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:02:08 PM EST
    power thing, all right.  We live in Western Maryland on top of South Mountain, and it's snowing steadily.  It's pretty, but it will be a mess by tomorrow.  But we have plenty of food, a wood stove, a propane cooker, candles, oil lamps, a kerosene heater, and a generator, so we'll be fine even if the power goes out (and yes, we've lived up here in the boonies for quite awhile, so we know how to deal).

    It is beautiful, isn't it? (5.00 / 1) (#21)
    by Anne on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:17:25 PM EST
    We live out in the country in Northern Baltimore County, on almost 6 acres, and I love the way snow just transforms the landscape.

    We don't have a generator - we've talked about getting one the entire time we've been here - 26 years - but we have all the other stuff (who lives in the country without candles, lol!)

    It's funny how, no matter how old you are, snow takes us all back to childhood and the thrill that snow brought.

    Our dogs - a yellow and a black lab - just love the snow; our older lab is 10, but snow makes her act like a puppy again; you cannot watch these two and not just laugh out loud.  Makes me want to lay down in the snow and make snow angels!

    I can't wait to see how high the drifts are tomorrow, as the wind sweeps across our field - and the road - and could make things quite interesting for the road crews, when they get around to our little corner of the world...


    As far as a generator is concerned (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:29:25 PM EST
    It depends on how often you lose power.  We live on a mountain, lots and lots of trees, the lines are all above ground, so we lose power on a fairly regular basis.  We bought a generator years ago.  We don't need it for heat, but it keeps our freezer and refrigerator going, as well as the pump for the well, if we want more water (and I always keep gallons of water stored in jugs, anyway).

    Generators (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by cpresley on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:39:51 AM EST
    We live in the Santa Cruz mountains and lose power about 3 times a year. Last weeks storms had us without power for 36 hours. Our generator powers our refrig, micro-wave, coffee maker, T.V., and one small light in the kitchen. All of the necessities of life. Lots of candles and oil lights also helps,plus a wood stove for heat. Hope you all survive the storm.

    Thank you (none / 0) (#79)
    by Zorba on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 05:53:52 PM EST
    Cpresley, the storm is over, we never lost power, and everything looks beautiful up here (or did, up until it got dark- it will be lovely again tomorrow).  Mounds and mounds of snow, huge snow drifts, and it's utterly quiet.  The roads were plowed, but they still have a covering of snow, especially from the drifts that the wind created.  Not to worry- we have plenty of food, and a kick-butt four-wheel drive truck, if needed- in four-wheel low, it can climb up the side of the barn.  ;-)

    Sounds so nice I can almost feel it (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by ruffian on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 11:29:42 PM EST
    here in Florida. I really miss the big beautiful snowstorms I had in Colorado. And you're right, there aren't many things that rival the sheer joy of snow dogs romping in the deep stuff.  Mine were the same - just could not get enough of the stuff. Doggy snow angels, doing the porpoise run...I used to just watch and laugh.

    Stay safe and enjoy it, everyone. We are just experiencing it as rain here.


    One of my cats, oddly (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 11:56:21 PM EST
    does the same thing-- goes totally nuts with fresh snow, races around, deliberately jumps into snowbanks, jumps out, shakes himself off a little, then whirls around and races off somewhere theatrically with back humped and tail lashing like crazy, etc.  Very weird.  I never heard of a cat doing that.  The other cat just sits on the steps and watches, with that look of mild alarm and disapproval cats have perfected, until he runs out of steam and it's safe for her to come daintily down off the steps.

    That is really funny (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by ruffian on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 11:26:01 AM EST
    You just never know what a cat will like.

    My old cats used the doggy door to the back patio in Colorado - just a little 8-10 inch drop onto a stoop that they handled just fine. One morning after a snow one of the cats jumped out there into a foot of snow. The look on his face was priceless - then he freaked out and jumped back in as soon as he could turn himself around. You'd think a Himalayan cat would have some kind of repressed snow gene!


    Still waiting for it (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by nycstray on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:14:09 PM EST
    We shouldn't get much because I got all my errands done and am ready to spend the weekend in, lol!~ Getting ready to soak some black beans and marinate up some flank and other proteins. Tomorrow I'll make up a bunch of salsa, corn tortillas and guac. I'm feeling very "Mexican" for the weekend. It will make for easy meals/grab and snack while packing. And make me think of the warmer climate that is soon in my future :)

    I do hope we get enough that I can get some pics of the Dot's possible last east coast snow romp.

    Sending positive power thoughts your way!


    Just went for a walk in it, Anne. (5.00 / 2) (#19)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:17:00 PM EST
    I am in northern Virginia. It is coming down so hard! The landscape is beautiful - dead quiet out there in the neighborhood and everything looks like a fairytale.

    Lots of shoveling to do tomorrow though.


    I love waking up after a good snow (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by nycstray on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:19:39 PM EST
    you can just feel the peace even before you get out of bed.

    We are in the country, and much of our (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Anne on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:23:57 PM EST
    land is wooded; the snow outlining all the tree branches is a sight I never get tired of.  Yeah, it can be a pain in the butt, in terms of the plowing and shoveling, and getting back to civilization, but the sheer beauty of the snow is something to be appreciated.

    I love the quiet.  Even where I live, where there is little noise from cars and neighbors, the hush that snow brings is a wonderful respite from all the noise we are subjected to most of the time.

    I hear we're supposed to get hit again on Tuesday/Wednesday, and with temps not expected to get above freezing until close to the end of next week, it should be interesting...


    We live (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Zorba on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:38:07 PM EST
    on 60+ acres (2/3 wooded) and it truly gets gorgeous here with the snow on the trees.  In a sense, it's almost more beautiful when it's all covered with ice, but that tends to be when we're more likely to lose power, so I have mixed feelings about that.  We don't get much traffic up here- it's a country road.  The plowing is not that big a deal for us- we have a big tractor (we also farm) with a plow blade, and a big snow-blower, so it's not a huge deal.

    A crazy winter here. (none / 0) (#28)
    by Dr Molly on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:26:04 PM EST
    supposedly due to el nino.

    Rain here in SoCal (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:38:38 PM EST
    And we had enjoyed such sunshine for a week or two.

    El Nino is it....


    Sitting here on a mountain top in Montana (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by athyrio on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:30:57 PM EST
    feeling quite fortunate that our snow hasn't reached those levels quite yet...Very quiet and peaceful with small amounts (few inches) every day or so...

    Sn*w has drifted on my balcony (none / 0) (#58)
    by Jen M on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:07:48 AM EST
    on the sixteenth floor.  (ok given, less than an inch, but that is a balcony under another balcony) There are wave ripples leading to the drift against my balcony door!

    There are care shaped white lumps in the parking lot next door.


    Interesting fact (none / 0) (#66)
    by athyrio on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 10:11:33 AM EST
     Here is another Montana record.. Guinness World Records states that the largest snowflake ever measured was 15 inches wide and 8 inches thick, observed January 28, 1887 at Fort Keogh, Montana...That is a huge flake...

    oops (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jen M on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 10:23:07 AM EST
    car shaped

    sort of


    Dark Avenger is in time out (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 01:37:00 PM EST
    I'm going to be deleting the remainder of the subthread.

    Just finished watching (none / 0) (#1)
    by observed on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 07:50:05 PM EST
    a quirky low budget sci-fi disaster movie,
    "Quantum Apocalypse".
    It's Rainman meets Armageddon.
    If that piques your interest, see if you can find a way to view it.

    At this stage in my life, I find that I value originality in movies more than almost anything.
    This movie is original, fairly well acted, and the plot has some surprises.

    Jerry Brown (none / 0) (#33)
    by MKS on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 09:36:12 PM EST
    should be able to win.  He has gone all law and order as Attorney General, and Mr. Enterprise with his redevelopement of downtown Oakland as Mayor....

    I liked him as Governor Moonbeam.  How could you not like someone who dated Linda Ronstandt?

    Forgive me one long post here (5.00 / 3) (#39)
    by ruffian on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 11:20:13 PM EST
    In 1980, after the Dem convention, columnist Mike Royko, who coined the 'Governor Moonbeam' label, wrote the following column about Jerry Brown. I was a big supporter of Brown at the time, at the ripe old age of 22. I clipped the column out of the L.A. Times and have saved it all these years, then typed it up on my laptop a few years ago.  Int he combination of Royko and Brown,  I don't think you will find anyone's words from 30 years ago that more accurately predicted the world of today.

    Gov. Moonbeam Has Landed   by Mike Royko

    New York,  Summer 1980

        I don't think many people noticed, but somebody finally made a highly intelligent speech to the Democratic Convention.  It dealt with issues that haven't been talked about.  It avoided most of the tired cliches that the speakers were tossing around the podium.
        And it passed almost unnoticed, which is what usually happens to any thoughtful observation made at a political convention.
        No, the speech was not made by Ted Kennedy.  He specializes in grandiose spending plans, pie-in-the-sky social benefits and sentimental slop that dulls the mind,
        Nor was it made by Jimmy Carter.  Carter is capable of saying something smart, but the challenge of trying to keep Ted Kennedy from wrecking his candidacy and the Democratic Party is almost more than Carter can handle at one time.
        The speech was made by Jerry Brown, governor of California, who is sometimes referred to as "Governor Moonbeam".
        I have to admit that I gave him that unhappy label.  I'm sorry I did it, because the more I see of Brown, the more I am convinced that he has been the only Democrat in this year's politics who understands what the country will be up against in the future.
        That's been Jerry Brown's problem as a national candidate.  He won't talk about creating millions of make-work jobs, spending billions of dollars, following economic policies that will lead to even higher inflation, and getting involved in a mad arms race that will probably blow us all up.  He won't pander to organized labor, tell a well-fed and materialistic America that it is deprived, or try to convince voters that only the federal government is capable of solving our problems.
        So what did Brown talk about?
        Strange things, by the political  standards of this convention.  You could tell they were strange by the way the delegates became glassy-eyed or drifted into conversational groups.  And by the way the networks became itchy and looked for people to interview while Brown was talking.
        The delegates didn't know how to react when Brown said:
        "It is not time for a candidate and a party that believe the only long-term threat to our survival comes from one particular nation 5,000 miles away.  Rather, it is time for a candidate and a party which sense the profound change to be wrought by the addition of 2 billion new citizens to this earth in the next 20 years."
        Some delegates appeared confused when he went on to say:
        "it is time to redirect the vast pension funds of this nation to more socially responsible objectives.  There are $650 billion in deferred wages, earned by the working men and women of this country,  This is the single most significant source of investment capital for the decade of the '80s."
        A few moments later, he said:
        "As a small minority of the world's population, we must live by our wits, think better and work harder.  We cannot sustain a way of life that uses one third of the world's basic resources for but a few percent of its people.  But we can invent new ways to live better.  We can learn to place quality above quantity and caring above consumption."
        People just don't talk that way at political conventions,.  Make do with less? Quality"  Quantity?  Less greed and selfishness?  That's the way most of us have to live, but it isn't the kind of political rhetoric that brings standing ovations.  Which Brown didn't get.
        And he thoroughly confused most of his listeners when he went into this view of America's future:
        "I share your dream that all Americans can advance together, but that we do so in a form of regional interdependence.  I see a type of common market or economic community that will bring along with us our brothers and sisters who share this land of North America.  Mexicans, Canadians, Native Americans - North and South - all are part of our destiny and it is time that we recognize that we are part of theirs.
        "We are a country that is growing older and diminishing in our relation to the exploding populations of Mexico, Africa, Asia, and South America.  We must see our challenge as not only East-West, capitalist-communist, liberty-tyranny.  But also we must see the challenge as North-South, dark and fair skin, rich and poor, hungry and well fed, equality and inequality.
        "Even if the American people give Ronald Reagan his Kemp-Roth tax cuts, his nuclear bombs, his breeder reactors, and his superiority over Russian imperialism, I say it will be as verbal cellophane and an empty symbol when marshaled against the outraged enmity of one billion hungry people.  Without hope, their last refuge will be revolution, anarchy and terrorism.
        "In a world made small by jets and satellite communications, our oceans and our missiles will not protect us if we separate ourselves from the wider longing of humanity.
        "Liberty for us?  Certainly it is our most precious possession.  But also justice for all, wherever on this earth.  That can become the dream of tomorrow."

        I hope Brown is still around in 1984.  I think the moonbeam has landed with his feet on the ground.

    Thank you for saving this. It is refreshing ... (none / 0) (#53)
    by cymro on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 03:20:23 AM EST
    ... to read a political speech like this, even today, and even if most of the delegates still wouldn't listen 30 years later. Also, I think Royko is correct in saying that Carter could also have made a similar speech, under different circumstances.

    That is really an (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 11:50:59 PM EST
    astonishingly ludicrous ad, I must say.  Demon sheep indeed.  And the last frame, with the guy in the sheep suit crawling on all fours towards the herd is just... just... indescribable, I guess I'll say.



    ugh. (none / 0) (#45)
    by nycstray on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:00:21 AM EST
    When's the primary? They couldn't have it in the next couple weeks so I can miss this portion of the insanity could they?! So I have Helicopter Harold, that I'm leaving behind in NY, only to arrive to Demon Sheep in CA?

    Gave Gary Snyder a job (none / 0) (#78)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 01:55:58 PM EST
    and was mentored by Gregory Bateson.

    Though, I hear Big Dog was out for some payback awhile back. I hope he's cooling it with that.

    Let the moon shine in.


    Oooh, I missed the whole thing! (none / 0) (#42)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Feb 05, 2010 at 11:48:46 PM EST
    Wasn't aware I'd been jumped on.  Think I'll skip going back to look.

    THX1138 was Lucas's first film, I believe, and although it's low-budget and dated and all that now, it had some pretty powerful stuff in it.

    But it came out back in the day when Godzilla was sort of the extent of science fiction in the movies, so it was pretty stunning at the time to those of us who cared at all.

    Hope you like it.

    Thanks (none / 0) (#46)
    by jimakaPPJ on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:10:21 AM EST
    I believe I will enjoy it.

    Prior to Bladerunner and 2001 the only other attempt at serious scifi was "The Day The Earth Stood Still" and "The Thing," which was a fairly good adaption of John W. Campbell's "Who Goes There?"


    Even before those (4.00 / 0) (#51)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 12:59:20 AM EST
    was a little film called "The Magnetic Monster" that was scary as heck.  (Not a monster-monster, just an artificial compound that got out of control.  Probably a metaphor for atomic energy.)

    I look for it periodically on the Web to see if it's out there but have never found it.  But keep your eye open just in case...


    Us and Them (none / 0) (#54)
    by kidneystones on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 05:07:59 AM EST
    Every now and then I read a story that puts the entire cultural relativism issue in sharp focus.

    Our own societies are far from perfect, but I'm pleased we don't engage in this sort of barbarity.

    Canada's Conservative government deserves credit for alerting new immigrants to the facts of life.

    I think that's a good thing.

    Dalits, the "untouchables" (none / 0) (#80)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 07:49:48 PM EST
    and "unseeables" of India and their plight, seem to be the victims of a bit of a media blackout, what with first (and, seemingly only) priority status being given to the barbaric treatment of women in Islamic countries. Which might make one wonder if the selective focus is motivated by a genuine concern for human rights or just a continuation of a regime-change propaganda campaign ostensibly appalled by 'abuses' in target countries while being virtually asleep to much of what occurs in 'trading partner' nations like India and China.

    Dr. K. Jamanadas (none / 0) (#81)
    by jondee on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 08:02:39 PM EST
    I'll refer people to his writings as an addendum to post-9/11 concern for the plight of people in countries that dont supply a huge cheap labor pool for investors and companies in the U.S.

    I agree (none / 0) (#93)
    by kidneystones on Sun Feb 07, 2010 at 08:10:18 PM EST
    One of the big positives of the Bush second term was increasing the availability of HIV blocking drugs to HIV pregnant women in Africa and India.

    If you want to get an idea of 'invisible' suffering, ask and HIV positive hetro-sexual African-American woman what's up. My own information is dated by as of 2007, this was the fastest growing group in the US.


    Ezra and Rep. Ryan (none / 0) (#55)
    by Wile ECoyote on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 06:30:07 AM EST
    have a good exchange on HCR here.

    20" of snow so far (none / 0) (#62)
    by Dr Molly on Sat Feb 06, 2010 at 09:22:01 AM EST
    this morning, and expecting 6-8 more today.

    I am watching a beautiful northern flicker right outside my front window and I cannot for the life of me figure out what he/she has been doing for the past 20 minutes in this huge drift. It is either shoveling, burrowing, having a snow bath, or just playing in the snow at the base of a huge maple tree.