DWTS: Jennifer Grey Wins, ABC Averts Disaster

Nobody puts Baby in a Corner, after all. Congratulations, Jennifer and Derek.

Bristol Palin on DWTS tonight: Winning "would be like a big middle finger to all the people out there that hate my mom and hate me."

Time to drive that truck back home to Alaska. No trophy for you. Or your mother or her rabid fans.

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    Nobody puts Baby in a Corner, lol love it! (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by republicratitarian on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 07:18:26 AM EST

    Jeralyn speaking of "lightening up." (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 10:12:58 AM EST
    I hope that this DWTS's result gives you some peace of mind for the holidays.

    If the network picks people that have a separate base of popular or sympathetic support like a Betty White or a Bristol Palin, you will get warped results.

    On the other hand, if the network picks professional dancer/performers like a Jennifer Gray or a Nicole Scherzinger, they are inserting "ringers" into the mix.

    It really isn't a proper contest, it is "entertainment."

    Actually Nicole was the only one I made an effort to see, though I had seen "Baby" in that old movie.

    Nicole is a stone cold fox.

    I think it was sad (none / 0) (#38)
    by itscookin on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:20:36 PM EST
    That Jennifer Gray appeared to be so intent on re-creating a role from  her youth. Most people in their 50's have moved on. If she really was dancing last night with a ruptured disc, she's an idiot to boot.

    I think it's sad (5.00 / 2) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:40:59 PM EST
    that people with aches and pains sit on their ass and complain as they get older instead of living life. So I congratulate Jennifer for outdancing the younger contestants and obviously being in far better shape than the other finalists.

    It is sad that you think someone (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 03:03:01 PM EST
    as young as their 50's should be put out to pasture and not compete in a dance contest. Most people would be pleased to look as good and dance as well as Ms. Gray at any age.

    re-creating? Or expanding on? (none / 0) (#42)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:34:38 PM EST
    Guess you missed (none / 0) (#48)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 07:14:36 PM EST
    Cloris Leachman, Buzz Aldrin, and Florence Henderson. As well as this season's show, during which Jennifer repeatedly referenced keeping Dirty Dancing separate.

    If you are going to opine based on faulty facts and absurd and unfounded generalizations (like your comment "most people over 50 have moved on") do it elsewhere.

    I suspect you are trolling and intentionally stating things you don't believe to get a reaction, so I'll be watching your comments.


    Well, it is "Dancing with the Stars" (none / 0) (#47)
    by richj25 on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 06:32:15 PM EST
    not "Dancing with some random people off the street"

    Well, now the important stuff is out of the way (3.00 / 3) (#7)
    by richj25 on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 12:56:04 AM EST
    we can go back to worrying about the little things
     like the economy and N Korea

    Which, you, know.... (1.00 / 1) (#8)
    by apolitik on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:33:50 AM EST
    .....North Korea on this blog is all about some high school level of knowledge and fearmongering.  But, god forbid, we do know all the minute details and ramifications of Bristol Palin's Tenure on C-List Reality TV.  Oh, darn! I forgot, speaking without illwill toward Bristol Palin is shilling for her.

    lighten up (5.00 / 4) (#10)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 04:54:10 AM EST
    and stop the insults directed at this blog and what I write about. I've already deleted a few of your comments. See the comment rules about personal attacks. And feel free to visit one more knowledgeable about the topic.  Foreign affairs is not my area of expertise. If you find the ideas in the North Korea post too "high school" for your taste, check out one of the many blogs by policy experts. Better yet, post a comment that shows your greater knowledge (without insults) on that thread.

    This thread is an opinion thread about DWTS.


    Shilling For Palin (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by norris morris on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 11:12:09 AM EST
    What do you think you've actually been doing except shilling for Palin and showing what a fool you are about your supposed superior knowledge of foreign policy?

    I doubt that you've ever attended one seminar at The Foreign policy Assn. or studied any other good source  regarding National Security or Foreign Policy.

    If you have, you obviously have forgotten any of the information you opine on as an "expert" to us plebes.



    Diversions are okay... (none / 0) (#11)
    by rhbrandon on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 06:14:24 AM EST
    We all have our own; for some, reality television - for others, fantasy sports. And a lot of other options...

    North Korea and the global economic meltdown will still be there for us when we get back.


    Palin Confuses North & South Korea (none / 0) (#52)
    by norris morris on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:26:52 PM EST
    Another gem from camp Palin today as Mama Bear said we have to stand by our allies in North Korea!. Duh.

    Yup. This was on Fox. She also spoke about China yesterday and said Obama shouldn't complain about China's lowering and manipulating their currency, and lowering our dollar would hurt, etc.

    The stupidity and ignorance of her remarks is spellbinding. She is actually defending China's communist hard line position on manipulating their currency to game ours. Palin obviously lacks a mere basic 101 understanding of economics.

    The GOP on Obama's position is the same in opposing China's ruthless behavior regarding currrency and believes we should strongly oppose China's policies and stop them.

    Junk flies out of Palin's mouth at an alarming rate.  She is now trying to use DWTS for her own political advantage and get all the free PR  and public validation it offers. China uber alles!! O'Donnell the Witch is next in this comedy?


    It just started on the west coast (none / 0) (#1)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 11:16:47 PM EST
    Bristol Palin on DWTS tonight: "Winning would be a "big middle finger" to everyone who hate my mom and hate me."

    Bristol just made the comment quoted. She actually said, "to all the people out there who hate my mom, and who hate me."

    That was the Wall St Journal's version (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 11:32:04 PM EST
    (9:10 pm.)I just replayed it (four times, she mumbles and has terrible enunciation) and her exact words were:[Winning would be] "like a big middle finger to all the people out there that hate my mom and hate me." Her grammar isn't much better. Thanks, though, I made the correction and will in the other thread as well.

    If anything, the producers of DWTS and (none / 0) (#12)
    by rhbrandon on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 06:17:42 AM EST
    any other reality show need to maintain that thin line between television reality and the real world. Seems that DWTS was not as enjoyable for any number of fans when politics butted into the popular culture.

    Just my 0.02 cents worth...


    she has a prob with math though . . . (none / 0) (#2)
    by nycstray on Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 11:31:03 PM EST
    she wants to break hold in her dance, which docks a point, and then go for all 10s  ;)

    She's a contradiction on many (2.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 11:32:04 PM EST
    topics. Most 20 year olds are.

    Classy Statement (none / 0) (#6)
    by BarnBabe on Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 11:44:52 PM EST
    Teen Advocate for sure. I know lots of people who voted this week just to make sure the Tea Party didn't try and steal the show. I am very happy for Jennifer. I am so glad she didn't have to quit with her disc problem today. And as for Bristol, without the Tea Party and her Mother's followers, she would never had made it to week 4. She should realize that she was not that good and really did not deserve to be in the final three. BUT, why would she think we hated her because of her Mother. hmmmm?

    I'm hard pressed to see any distinction (5.00 / 6) (#14)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 07:26:34 AM EST
    between Bristol's 'unclassy, trashy' comment and the kinds of comments made against her - seems all of a piece to me, but YMMV I guess.

    "Haters" has been the word (5.00 / 2) (#17)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 08:10:18 AM EST
    used to discount and dismiss descent and criticism since at least the Bush administration. It IIRC started out as a Republican tactic used to diminish any person or opinion in opposition and to stifle debate. If this tactic had not been so eagerly picked up by some people on the Democratic side (i.e. Obama haters), I would be more critical of Bristol's usage. It unfortunately has become a standard tactic and one used often by certain commenters here on TL. Not much on IARIYAR or IARIYAD.    

    I don't think Bush can be blamed for this. (none / 0) (#19)
    by EL seattle on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:00:44 AM EST
    "Haters" was probably simmering in the culture well before the year 2000.  Since then it's popped up in more than a few different cultural manifestations.  I think that "haters" usage by red/blue fans/enemies is only a small part of that.

    Tracking one variation on the "Haters" phrase.


    Interesting information (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:21:18 AM EST
    In the political arena, I first noticed its usage to discount issue related criticism during the Bush II administration.

    Regardless of its origination, I dislike the tactic and firmly believe that it is used to stifle any real debate of important issues. I would also prefer that criticism of this tactic be universally applied. IOW it does not become acceptable when people or a party you like use it and scorned only when used by people or a party you dislike employ the tactic.    


    It's a hip hop thing. (none / 0) (#32)
    by ks on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 12:26:22 PM EST
    It started out as "player hater" then became "hater" and was another way of saying "you're just jealous" but now, as you state, it's also become a way to stifle debate or shut down discussion on a topic.

    Basically, "Hater!" is the hip hop version of "Whatever!"  


    No kidding (5.00 / 1) (#16)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 07:56:16 AM EST
    As anyone who read about their facebook fight over this show would know, Willow and Bristol Palin are not the classiest people on earth.  I recall Bristol's apology for Willow's homophobic comments though...oh wait, no I don't...

    Willow's comments were unacceptable (none / 0) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:25:14 AM EST
    and I don't think that people should be required to apologize for actions of family members. Bristol did not make those comments. Willow did.  

    And yet Bristol (5.00 / 2) (#22)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:47:32 AM EST
    did apologize for the whole thing, she just didn't mention the homophobic comments, which were the actual offensive thing about it.  Link.

    There's absolutely no defense for them.  So why make one.


    People that defend Sarah (none / 0) (#23)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:48:44 AM EST
    or Willow, or Bristol, are I think just not paying enough attention to what actually comes out of their mouths and what they actually believe in.

    Because I personally think that (none / 0) (#24)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 10:04:13 AM EST
    the reaction to Bristol is excessive. It is IMO a "Sins of the Father" type of reaction that just doesn't appeal to me. Of course, this time it is "Sins of the Mother." YMMV. Once again Bristol did not make homophobic comments and therefore, IMO had absolutely no responsibility for them. If she chose to apologize for the whole thing with or without going into all the details then IMO you are beating a dead horse.



    I think it's a sin of omission (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 10:55:51 AM EST
    why did the fight she and Willow get into attract attention?  The homophobic comments.  What did she deliberately not address in her apology?  The homophobic comments.

    Bristol, and her sister, do not care.


    Today's teen (Willow) uses those words (3.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 10:55:37 AM EST
    with different meanings today.

    What bothers me is how so many people assign different standards to those they don't approve of. I can't get a grasp on adults attacking kids no matter who the kids are.


    Huh? (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 10:58:02 AM EST
    What do you think Willow meant by "your so gay" and "your such a f*ggot" exactly?

    Talk to a teenager (1.50 / 2) (#35)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:09:54 PM EST
    You'll be amazed what you learn.

    Why don't you just tell me (4.00 / 3) (#39)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:25:30 PM EST
    since you're the one who brought it up.

    I'm 25 - I very much doubt the meanings of those words have changed significantly in the past 6 years.


    No... (3.67 / 3) (#54)
    by Thanin on Thu Nov 25, 2010 at 02:08:14 AM EST
    "F*ggot" is still a homophobic slur to teenagers.  "Gay" is more de facto homophobia than an overt slur, but "f*ggot" still means "f*ggot".

    Exactly (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by lilburro on Mon Nov 29, 2010 at 10:46:10 AM EST
    I'm baffled that while the It Gets Better project goes on and all this light is being thrown on gay bullying that anyone could believe those words mean otherwise or are not offensive.

    Almost as classy as this one: (3.67 / 3) (#31)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 11:39:37 AM EST
    Time to drive that truck back home to Alaska. No trophy for you. Or your mother or her rabid fans.

    Hate Bristol? (none / 0) (#49)
    by norris morris on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 08:53:03 PM EST
    Why would anyone hate Bristol? Her concerns are about her mother who dominates her and takes the air out of every space she's in.

    Hapless Bristol feels the victim when she must knows Mama Bear will push anyone to their limits to get what she wants.

    Bristol staying on the show at Brandy's expense didn't garner much respect as Brandy was terrific and Bristol is a klutz who needs to drop a few pounds.

    No one hates this kid. It's the Mama.


    Poor Bristol? (none / 0) (#53)
    by norris morris on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:33:14 PM EST
    Bristol's concern about the middle finger?

    This is a sad and stupid remark that truly marks her as a victim.

    But hey, she's a celebrity now and the most famous unmarried single mommy in America.A fine example of unprotected sex.

    Just imagine the run she's gonna have as mommy's shill as she hawks MammaBear's books across the Whole United States Of America!  


    Thanks - for the great example (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Dr Molly on Thu Nov 25, 2010 at 12:13:26 PM EST
    for my point above - classy vs. trashy knows no political boundaries.

    But hey, she's a celebrity now and the most famous unmarried single mommy in America.A fine example of unprotected sex.

    Seriously? Now lefties are trashing unprotected sex and having children out of wedlock? This is not a trashy thing to say?

    What a hypocritical joke this entire subject is!

    P.S. Ever had unprotected sex before?


    One of my high school classmates urged (none / 0) (#5)
    by oculus on Tue Nov 23, 2010 at 11:42:07 PM EST
    all her Facebook friends to vote for Bristol.

    If your classmate was a woman (2.00 / 1) (#9)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 03:56:24 AM EST
    does she draw little hearts instead of dotting her "i"s when she writes things out?

    DIng! (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by smott on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 07:41:26 AM EST
    It's behavior like this, from the left, not the right, that made Palin possible. Thanks.

    I see. You must be one of those (2.00 / 1) (#26)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 10:27:10 AM EST
    'real Americans' Palin used to talk about, and since I only live in a small town in CA, I'm not.

    From www.washingtonpost(dot)com:

    "We believe that the best of America is not all in Washington, D.C. We believe" -- here the audience interrupted Palin with applause and cheers -- "We believe that the best of America is in these small towns that we get to visit, and in these wonderful little pockets of what I call the real America, being here with all of you hard working very patriotic, um, very, um, pro-America areas of this great nation."

    Click Me


    Beg pardon? (none / 0) (#33)
    by smott on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 01:08:10 PM EST
    You're talking to me?...

    Harry just pointing out (none / 0) (#34)
    by smott on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 01:11:06 PM EST
    ....that belittling Palins as many on the left did in 2008 created the very environment to allow her to flourish with support. Your need to take digs at how you imagine Palin dots her Ts is a great example.

    Hence, 'Ding'.


    stay on topic of DWTS (none / 0) (#36)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:18:24 PM EST
    and don't turn this into a Sarah Palin political thread please.

    It is about Sarah Palin though (5.00 / 2) (#46)
    by richj25 on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 06:21:58 PM EST
    I strongly doubt that people would have become so
    invested in the outcome if Sarah Palin had not had
    a connection to the contest. Another supposedly
    undeserving contestant going so far would not have
    caused near this much consternation.

    Dude. (none / 0) (#37)
    by smott on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:20:26 PM EST
    Yeah dots i's, my bad. Wevs.

    My point was, that McCain would not have chosen Palin if the left had not created the environment for it, by their treatment of (and I hate to tweak Squeaky before the holidays, so using my 'inside voice' here - "Hillary Clinton")...

    And the continued vilification of Palin(s) by the left only helps Palin maintain support.

    If you think that makes me an All American Palin supporter, please. Get a grip.  

    I assert that had we left her alone to be as ridiculous as she is all by herself, her ratings would likely be lower.  

    But in any case, without attitudes like those we saw from the left in 2008, and yorus right this very second, she would not be on the landscape, at all.


    Keep spreading the blame (2.00 / 1) (#40)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:30:08 PM EST
    but Ms. Palins unfavorable ratings have continued to climb the more the American public is exposed to her, so to claim that "teh Left" has some responsibility for her own self-aggrandizing ways is simplistic and goes against the facts in the case.

    please keep this about DWTS (none / 0) (#41)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 02:33:14 PM EST
    Harry, last warning.

    I'll save further thoughts (2.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 04:38:23 PM EST
    for the next open thread.

    The Best Of America (none / 0) (#50)
    by norris morris on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:00:13 PM EST
    Palin if not actually demented is at the least a total hypocrite.

    Family values? America The Beautiful? Flag Waving Forever?

    Her kid had unprotected sex and she is at least a mother derelict in her duty to protect her child.

    Sex is the least of this. Had anyone ever told Bristol about STD's and AIDS?

    Bristol is now anointed a celebrity and will go on Mama Bear's cross country PR avalanche to sell her new book.

    I actually feel sorry for Bristol Palin.


    Be interesting to see if ABC (none / 0) (#18)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 08:42:33 AM EST
    really wants to avoid this type of controversy in the future.

    Sarah Palin reportedly lobbied producers of the ABC hit show "Dancing With The Stars" on Thursday night to bring failed Tea Party-backed U.S. Senate candidate Christine O'Donnell on as a contestant to the next season of the program.
    An executive at ABC reportedly signaled that O'Donnell taking to the dancing floor might be an idea worth considering. The network insider also took a shot at the conservative favorite's infamous "I'm not a witch" campaign ad, which she released during her general election fight against now-Democratic Senator-elect Chris Coons.

    "O'Donnell would fit right in," said the source to PopEater. "She certainly would be so controversial that the amount of press attention and buzz the show would get would be huge. Plus, you know they would make her dance in a witch's hat with a broomstick." link

    Cannibalism? (none / 0) (#51)
    by norris morris on Wed Nov 24, 2010 at 09:07:41 PM EST
    Palin and her political proteges are on the march.

    If ABC allows DWTS to become a political game of opportunism they will sink the show.

    The only reason this show has a big audience is because it has been authentic. Put politics, right,left. or center into into a pure entertainment weekly event and it will die.

    ABC loves the controversial aspects as it increases interest and veiwers, but this will ultimately boomerang.

    And yes by now I think we're all nuts to be so interested in this, but it's really about gaming the system and this is Palin's territory.