Politics and Palins Run Dancing With the Stars Into the Ground

Brandy got robbed by Palin supporters on Dancing With the Stars. Unbelievable. Bristol improved over the season but that's not saying much since she began like a piece of wood and ended with only an ember. She's no dancer and does not belong in the finals. She didn't even belong in the semi-finals.

What a crock, and a disappointment. Brandy was a "10" dancer and second only to Jennifer Grey. In fact, Brandy vs. Jennifer would have been a close contest in the finale. She may not have the most friendly personality, but it's a dancing contest.

Kyle belongs in the finals more than Bristol. He has more musicality in his tush than Bristol has in her whole body.

Tea partiers mobbed the phone lines, voting for Sarah Palin's child. No one who was voting on the dancing as opposed to politics would have voted for Bristol, except her family and friends. And that doesn't add up to the hundreds of thousands of votes she got. Bristol of course is in denial.

Shame on DWTS for not having figured out how to have a judges' override when the votes so clearly have no relationship to dancing or talent. [More...]

I'm certainly not the only one who feels this way. Derek Hough’s mouth fell open in shock, and Jennifer Gray seemed visibly annoyed Bristol beat out Brandy. Check out DWTS: The Wrong Three.

And Bristol, get a clue. "People do connect with me because they think I'm real and I'm not typical Hollywood," she said. Please, you are as phony baloney as your mother. You'd give up Alaska in a heartbeat to stay in the Hollywood limelight after the show.

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    I think (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 11:22:33 PM EST
    all those in attendance realized the disaster that took place on the show tonight including all three of the judges.

    Bristol tried her best, improved, but should have been gone a couple weeks ago. It's not her fault what has happened, and she's too young to fully realize why she is still there (sorry Bristol it wasn't your performance that moved you on).

    Sort of like Harrison Bergeron... (none / 0) (#20)
    by rhbrandon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 06:50:07 AM EST
    except worst. With DWTS, the show not only punishes social competence, it rewards social incompetence.

    Never seen the show, so I have no investment (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by jes on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 11:36:55 PM EST
    in the various dancers involved. But it seems that the folks in charge of recruitment might have forseen this little problem. I can't really see how the Palins are to blame.

    I agree and disagree (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by Romberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:20:42 AM EST
    I agree that Bristol does not deserve to be in the finals. Heck, I didn't think she should have made it past the first few rounds. And I agree that the reason she is in the finals is because of fans of her mother. That said, I disagree with the venom you are showing towards this young woman personally. You don't know her, and calling her things like "phoney baloney" just seems to be uncalled for.

    I don't know who Bristol Palin is as a person. At her age, I'm not sure that she knows herself. I just don't much care for the way some people are trashing her because of who her mother is.

    Personally, I find her abstinence shtick beyond silly, and I'm amazed that the cognitive dissonance isn't overwhelming to anyone who hears it. ("Here's a lovely unwed teen mother to talk to you about how abstinence works.") And as I said, she isn't much of a dancer. In fact, she isn't really a star which makes me wonder why the show asked her on in the first place. And that brings up my last points...

    Don't be angry at Bristol. She didn't beg to be on the show and she didn't write the rules and she isn't the one phoning and texting in all those viewer votes. If you're looking to vent, I'd vent at the show for booking her, and for having rules that allow obviously inferior dancers to advance over obviously superior dancers. There ought to be some sort of judges override mechanism in place for just such times.

    except my comment (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:41:41 AM EST
    is directed at the show. I didn't blame Bristol for the results. I blamed the show and her mother's fans.

    What I blame Bristol for is her comment about not being "typical Hollywood." That comment didn't come from the show, it came from her. She's always saying in her show interviews that she's just an Alaska girl and she can't wait to go home, but that comment shows she thinks she is Hollywood, just not "typical Hollywood." That makes her a phony baloney. There's no one to blame but her for that.


    We'll have to agree to disagree on the... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Romberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:58:07 AM EST
    ...phony baloney part. I just don't think Bristol Palin is quite as media savvy or sophisticated as some others may believe she is and for that reason I don't see much insight to be gained from parsing her words as though she were.

    Well, she gets her media savvy from her mom... (none / 0) (#21)
    by rhbrandon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 07:00:19 AM EST
    And that savvy works with a certain part of our society and certainly doesn't with the rest.

    She's a product of everything that - and everybody who - has brought her thus far in life.  So, it's not so much "parsing" what she has to say, as looking on this situation as so many millions of amateur social scientists. She's living - for better or for worse - her fifteen minutes of fame.

    Whether she ultimately fades into obscurity or becomes what appears to be a long-term crank like her mom remains to be seen.


    This is where you are screwing up (4.40 / 5) (#37)
    by goldberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:01:49 AM EST
    If you don't like someone with little talent pushing the good ones out, don't ping her mother's fans.  
    Trust me, they are taking great delight watching you foam at the mouth over this.  Every time Palin dances, they get ready to phone in and drive you into an apoplectic fit of overreaction.  
    And you know what?  If you don't stop now and start treating them with some respect and dignity, they're going to vote for whoever Glenn Beck tells them to vote for just to piss you off.  
    I mean, what have they got to lose?  They're already coping at the lower end of the income ladder.  YOU, however, have a long way to fall and they would love to shake your foundations just to see you eat it.  
    So, I'd stop dissing them if I were you.  They're crazy like a fox.  

    What a canard (5.00 / 4) (#39)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:11:14 AM EST
    Tea Partiers are not "at the lower end of the income ladder" and are actually wealthier than average.  (poll)

    They are less concerned with their personal economic situation than the rest of the country. Far more identify as upper middle and middle class than the rest of the country. Way more of them are retired and on on social security and medicare. (Interestingly, more are on social security than medicare, so there seem to be a fair number of them on disability.)

    And Poor Bristol Palin, only making $250,000 + on a dancing show that spans over a few months.  


    I don't get why the abstinence schtick is (5.00 / 2) (#11)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:17:06 AM EST
    silly.  Who better to preach than somebody who failed to follow it suffered the consequences?  I believe there are an awful lot of former drug addicts preaching drug avoidance, and I don't see the difference.

    I don't think abstinence makes sense as the sole way of keeping kids from getting pregnant, but I don't think it's a "bad" message in and of itself, I just think it's short-sighted.


    It's silly... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Romberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 02:01:48 AM EST
    ...because it's unworkable. Bristol Palin is living proof.

    OK. I mostly agree with that (none / 0) (#71)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:58:06 PM EST
    Thought you were saying Bristol in particular promoting it was silly.

    If the message were to delay (none / 0) (#18)
    by observed on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 04:54:31 AM EST
    intercourse, while still being sexual,that would be one thing,but this "sit on your daddy's lap til you're married" is creepy.

    Did she actually say that?? (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 02:00:05 PM EST
    I managed to miss that.  I confess I wouldn't mind sitting on her daddy's lap, but I agree, obviously, that's pretty creepy.

    No,i'm sure she didn't, but that's (none / 0) (#79)
    by observed on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 03:34:13 PM EST
    what the US abstinence movement does. They have "chastity balls" and show pictures of nubile teenage girls sitting on daddy's lap.

    Oh, I see (none / 0) (#97)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:51:45 PM EST
    So we're attributing stuff to her that she didn't say because some people with the same basic idea say it?  Come on!

    I agree, of course, the organized "abstinence movement" is deeply creepy, as well as stone stupid, but I'm not aware that Bristol is part of that.


    Huh? huh? huh? (none / 0) (#98)
    by observed on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 04:51:16 AM EST
    She's a far right POLITICAL  figure promoting "abstinence". She gets no pass from me.

    Bristol Pal;in gets a lot of money (none / 0) (#99)
    by Harry Saxon on Fri Nov 19, 2010 at 06:43:09 AM EST
    for giving speeches that promote abstinence, that you're unaware of this fact is something you can remedy by using teh Google.

    Bristols fans voted more (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:39:14 AM EST
    Than the fans of Brandy.  More people wanted Bristol to stay on the show.  oh well.  That's the way it goes.  I didn't bother to vote so I can't complain when my person gets booted.  

    I'm thinking she has her own fan base (5.00 / 1) (#93)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 01:04:48 PM EST
    in the tweens who are listening to her abstinence message/speeches, and christian beliefs. I have a couple of tween nieces who are fans of hers and it sure doesn't have anything to do with politics. They vote every electronic method available.

    There is also a group that has tried nearly every season to vote for the lessor talents.

    Keeping all in perspective....it's an entertainment show. The winner doesn't get $100,000 to start their own dance studio, or the lead in a Broadway play.


    If the judges can over ride the people's votes (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:40:58 AM EST
    who would bother to vote?  

    Judges... (none / 0) (#15)
    by Romberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 02:01:04 AM EST
    ...sometimes have to act as a check on juries even in legal proceedings. This is a TV show which is not nearly so important. If judges can overrule juries to avoid a miscarriage of justice, I don't see why judges in an entertainment show can't overrule viewers to avoid an obvious travesty in the results. That said, no more politician's kids, please. I want to watch DWTS, not "Dancing with the Politician's Kids."

    And, if it was a serious competition, the (none / 0) (#94)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 01:08:27 PM EST
    fans would not be part of the process. This show takes the contestants absolutely nowhere.

    I was surprised Brandy had enough of a fan base to take her this far.


    Did she really get robbed? (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:05:19 AM EST
    She may not have the most friendly personality, but it's a dancing contest.

    It's more than a dancing contest, though at the end, the better dancers do tend to prevail. But, her personality did pretty much suck, so she may have not have had a dedicated base. Wasn't she in the bottom before?

    I think Bristol may have also done better vote wise because she was a heck of a lot better than Kate+8 as a non-dancer. And yes, the TP crew was  voting for her . . . .

    I do think you are being a tad hard on the girl. I don't think she would give up Alaska in a heart beat. She appears to me as a kid that has been over-controlled her whole life and a more permanent center stage is not really in her plans. Who knows what's in momma grizzly's though . . . .

    FWIW, from seeing (4.40 / 5) (#10)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:12:43 AM EST
    the Palin kids by themselves and with both their parents, I don't think they've been "over-controlled their whole lives."  Their relationship with their mother particularly seems to me entirely natural and relaxed and healthily loving, not that of kids intimidated or resentful or any other kind of complicated emotion.

    We don't like Palin's politics, but let's be awfully careful about evaluating her family and her parenting through the lens of the politics.  Dick Cheney, after all, still has the intense loyalty of his lesbian daughter.  People with bad politics can be terrific parents, and very much vice versa.

    I've only seen clips of DWTS, but I've been struck by Bristol's evident joy and and genuine pleasure in doing it, and I suspect that has a good deal to do with the voting, maybe even more than the Palin fans.


    I was saying that based on her during the show (none / 0) (#12)
    by nycstray on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:31:25 AM EST
    over controlled as in a narrow scope of how she was raised. Perhaps sheltered is a better word/description?

    I personally thought the show would be good for her, in terms of personal growth and some experiences outside of her norm . . . .


    Narrow scope? (none / 0) (#56)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:41:20 AM EST
    Honestly, I can't really see that, either.  I'm not sure how any politician's kids could have a narrow scope to their lives.  We all have stuff we grew up with and stuff we didn't, and a pol's kids are exposed to an awful lot more variety of people and places and activities in their lives than most of us.

    What I will certainly agree with is that being a kid in a family with parents who are such strong personalities, whatever their parenting skills, has got to be difficult.  DWTS does give Bristol a big public opportunity to be her own self, not defined solely by being "Sarah's daughter."  That need is probably also what explains the pregnancy, I'd guess.


    Oh, please (none / 0) (#23)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 07:27:50 AM EST
    You only see them when the cameras are rolling, you see what they want you to see, not as they actually are, like Palins' son who seems to have gone into the military rather than serve time on a vandalism charge, and who spent his senior year in Michigan to 'play hockey' which was coincidentally after a schoolbus vandalism incident in 2005.

    From www.the-peoples-forum(dot)com

    It is interesting to note that the Holmes' apparently live in Holland, Michigan. That is a distance of about 100 miles, each way, to Portage Central HS. Are we to understand that Track travelled that distance every day for school?? Why wouldn't he just have gone to school in the town where he was quartered, e.g. Holland?

    I know what you're thinking: they must have moved from Portage to Holland since March 2007 when Track last lived with them. But 411.com also lists Mrs. Holmes as currently owning a consulting company in Portage...does she travel almost 200 miles/day to work?? It is also curious that there is no information whatsoever about Ms. Holmes' business, Adcom Regulatory Consulting, on either Google, or ask.com.

    In Dec. 2006, when Track was playing on Portage's hockey team, the team was ranked just 29th in the state. And their rankings dropped throughout the season, finishing at the 64th ranking! http://www.ushsho.com/mirank07.htm. Surely there must be a gazillion schools where Track could better get exposure to college hockey scouts, on much more successful teams, and much closer to home!!

    And, after returning to Wasilla following the end of the season in Michigan, Track was offered a position on an elite amateur team, the Alaska Avalanche. But he turned it down, saying he preferred to enlist in the Army instead.

    Can you tell me why someone who obviously loves hockey so much, and who was sent thousands of miles away to play hockey at a higher level, would turn down a position on an amateur team, with serious exposure to the pro coaches? To join the Army???

    Everything sounds just a little too curious to me.

    Click Me

    The apple doesn't fall far from the tree.


    Oh, please yourself (3.50 / 2) (#53)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:33:35 AM EST
    Children are not sophisticated actors.  As I think you probably know.  6 or 11-year-olds cannot fake a relaxed, natural interaction with the adults in their lives for the camera.

    It's funny you should say that (none / 0) (#59)
    by Harry Saxon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:19:59 AM EST
    because I did a little acting as a child in community theater, later on in high school, my mother's verdict on my first performance there was, "You weren't as bad as I thought you'd be."

    Children are natural actors compared to adults because they don't have the layers of inhibitions and restraint that prevent most adults from delivering a believable performance when 'acting' on or off-stage.

    Having temporarily misplaced my telepathic helmet this morning, I can't say as to whether that is true or not with the Palin brood.


    In the grand scheme of things, (5.00 / 7) (#22)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 07:08:30 AM EST
    in the range of Things That Really Matter, I guess I find it pretty silly how worked up people are getting over a fluffy little "reality" show, that whether you never watch it or you DVR it so you can watch it over and over for the technical merits of each dance and dancer, it's completely and utterly meaningless.

    I say that as someone who watches the Top Chef shows, somehow managing to get hooked on the Just Desserts variation that really isn't all that good, and The Next Iron Chef, and those are shows that are clearly edited and packaged to manipulate the viewer and extract as much drama as possible to drive ratings - but I still can't help rooting for my favorites and being annoyed when the divas and drama queens prevail.

    So, I get it.  I do.

    But, here's the thing: Bristol Palin wouldn't be on DWTS were it not for her mother's celebrity status; they went to her, and she, with a child to raise and wanting to have some independence, saw an opportunity for financial reward, and probably really didn't care if she lasted one week or made it all the way through.  It was a mutually beneficial arrangement for the show/network and Bristol - and whatever drama has flowed from all of this, I'm guessing that for all the "we're so shocked" talk, the show's producers and the network are probably doing the Happy Dance over it because more people are watching.

    Yes, Bristol is certainly responsible for what she says, but as has been pointed out, we don't know her, we only know what we see, and that's not really the totality of her life or who she is.  So, if she says she's not really Hollywood, who are we to say she is?  Because of the sensational aspects of her life?  Were it not for who her mother is, we wouldn't know her name - she would have been one more faceless, nameless statistic: a teenager who had a kid, and was faced with figuring out how to make that life work.  

    As it is, she's still a statistic, and she's still got to figure out how to make her life work, and how to provide for her child; she's chosen to stay in this spotlight as a trade-off for some financial security.  Are we really going to blame her for that, and is it really her fault that DWTS is a viewer-driven competition?

    If it makes you that angry, don't watch.  Wait for the next season, when the competitors are more to your liking.

    Ditto (5.00 / 4) (#34)
    by goldberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:55:37 AM EST
    And may I add that I am embarrassed that my gender has chosen to go ballistic over this.  I hate mean girls.

    Now that's funny. (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by jes on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:44:15 AM EST
    I think (none / 0) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 07:31:25 AM EST
    talking about dancing with the stars is more or less escapism from the depressing state of the body politic as it stands today.

    Oh, I agree that it's all (5.00 / 2) (#31)
    by Anne on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:15:01 AM EST
    about escape, but when it gets to the point where some silly dancing show makes you that angry, how much escaping are you really doing?

    Or is it better to get angry about an unimportant thing you can't do anything about, or an important one you probably can't do anything about?  I guess it's a "pick your poison" kind of thing - but either way, anger's bad for you.

    For me, I'd rather watch So You Think You Can Dance, which features kids I've never heard of, who have real talent, than DWTS which features people I've heard of who are (mostly) marginally talented in some non-dancing venue who seem to be looking to resurrect a dying career or trying to be somehow relevant again by proving they can be taught a new trick.

    Face it - there's a lot of bad TV out there!


    we dont care if they can dance (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 07:57:34 AM EST
    we dont care if they can read
    we dont care if they can govern
    we dont care.

    we are going to vote for them every time we have the chance because they are morons who are too dumb to pound sand in a rat hole.  just like us.

    Who knows (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by lilburro on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 07:59:10 AM EST
    how much of this is true or not, but it seems like Tea Partiers have possibly exploited the voting system on ABC's website (see Jezebel).

    Here's a hint: They don't have to be VALID email addresses to register them with ABC.com, there is apparently no validation process. The just have to be formatted like a valid email address, and you must use a valid zip code and a birthdate that makes you old enough to vote. I'm voting like a democrat, all night long...

    Anyway, DWTS should exclude political figures, esp. relevant ones, from the show.  I would even go back in time and remove Tom DeLay.

    And I agree...Bristol Palin has fast become the person who was born on third base and thinks she hit a triple.  She does morning talk shows, speaking engagements, guest appearances on reality shows, tabloid interviews...the only thing atypical about her is her politics, which, voilà, are the reason she's still on the show!

    Boycott DWTS (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:10:22 AM EST
    How dare they turn this into a political event just to increase their market share. Deny the greedy b@stards your support. Boycott now. ;-)

    I love you (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:25:41 AM EST
    yer cracking me up  

    Politics already IS a reality show. (5.00 / 4) (#42)
    by steviez314 on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:26:44 AM EST
    Didn't Angle, O'Donnell and Paladino make it all the way to the finals only because they were entertaining characters?

    Just looks at DWTS as Sarah's 2012 trial run...how the person with the least talent can still win due to the fervor of their voters.  

    I am not a mean girl (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by BarnBabe on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:39:52 AM EST
    Just because I thought it was so unfair last night. Brandy should be in the final three. I have not been a fan except for the last two years. I enjoy the dancing. I can see good dancing and bad dancing. It should be noted that Bristol was not the one to be originally invited to be on the show. Her Father was. He suggested Bristol. There are tritter movements out there for her. What happened is that most of us assume that the good dancers will get the votes. You know that assume word. Like Len says, if we don't vote, then we can't blame anyone but ourselves. Next week I am getting off my butt and voting. And in case you think Jennifer is a natural dancer (I am pretty good myself), she is 50, she had bad knees, had her neck operated on before the show, and had Cancer. She is a survivor and even with this list of ails, she is pretty amazing. When she dances (Except one time when she was exhausted by end of dance)it is magic to watch. Brandy was not my favorite but if I were a mean girl, I would not be protesting last nights decision. Bristol is a nice girl. They have had to blank her out a few time so at least we know not a goody two shoes like Mom. I wish her well in life. Felt sorry for her during the campaign as this really was a private matter about her pregnancy so young. She has improved from log to broom, but she is not a star and not even a celebrity. Just the facts.

    Very measured comment (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:50:45 AM EST
    If I were invested in DWTS, I would be a little ticked at a deserving dancer being shown the door due to politics instead of dancing.

    As I state below (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:59:48 AM EST
    I find the rules of DWTS to be pretty loosey goosey when you consider you have former professional performers in music/dance going up against celebrities with no performance background.

    It's a popularity contest.   The "rules" appear to be flexible.


    Best description (none / 0) (#65)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:23:40 PM EST
    I've read so far, "She has improved from log to broom" and yes, when she started this show, I kept writing "she is not a star and not even a celebrity." But she will be now, and it's not because of her talent or personality or even appearance, as it is with some who achieve undeserved attention, it's because of her last name.

    I have two names for you (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:07:51 PM EST
    Kim Kardashian

    Paris Hilton

    Daughters of rich/celebrities who got famous via the bedroom.

    Unfortunately our culture rewards people who become celebrities for being celebrities.  

    Bristol became famous because her mother ran for vice president and she got knocked up.

    One can't forget that had she only been her daughter this wouldn't have happened.  She had to get knocked up to be famous.

    Seems no less meaningful then becoming famous for doing a sex tape.


    Ah! "Knocked up" (none / 0) (#85)
    by DFLer on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 06:08:47 PM EST
    such an elegant phrase.

    Trust me (5.00 / 3) (#54)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:36:17 AM EST
    This is NOT the first time popularity outshone skills on this and any reality show.  As long as the viewers vote, the contest is about POPULARITY.  It's not a dance contest no matter how hard people want to wish it is.  It's usually the football player who gets too far. This time it's the politician's daughter.

    Yes, Bristol was a popularity ringer, but Jennifer Gray was the DANCING ringer.  Most seasons, you could argue, well is skating close enough close to dancing that we can consider Yamaguchi a ringer?  etc. But this year, we have a completely inarguable trained ballroom DANCING ringer.

    So which is worse, rigging the popularity contest with the right contestant or rigging the dancing contest for a clear end?  It will be interesting to see if the dancer beats the popular.

    And BTW, both Jennifer Gray and Bristol Palin are beneficiaries of nepotism.  Had Jennifer Gray not been Joel Gray's daughter, we may have had a different "Baby". And she may have been too has-been even now to be on this show.

    I honestly don't care who wins.  It's a TV show.  People are without jobs, the health care situation is getting utterly untenable.  It's stupid to care about this.  Stupid.

    PS (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:37:58 AM EST
    And I doubt I need to remind you that the notion of popularity contests over skills is just as prevalent in politics.

    Can you say, "media darling?"

    But people think it's okay if "their side" wins because of it...


    Is American Idol (or DWTS) mirroring (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:32:43 AM EST
    the political arena in the U.S. or is the current political arena mirroring American Idol? :-)

    if you don't care then please (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:38:51 PM EST
    comment on a thread you do care about.

    It's not stupid to care about a national network increasing the brand name and exposure of an unqualified potential presidential candidate. ABC cares only about ratings and they knew Bristol would be polarizing because of her mother. The effect is now there are two Palins who are household words, neither of whom deserve a bit of it, and one of whom will use the notoriety to further her second bid for the White House. You don't think that affects the policies you care about?


    Really? (5.00 / 4) (#76)
    by Left of the Left on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 03:03:16 PM EST
    The effect is now there are two Palins who are household words, neither of whom deserve a bit of it,

    Well then clearly what needs to happen is we should keep talking about them some more.


    I watched the first few episodes this season but (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 02:25:13 PM EST
    quit watching when I saw they were propping Bristol up with the scores....much higher than they should have been. That alone allowed her to advance further than she should have because the judges' scores are a part of the tabulation.  If they had given her 5's instead of 7's early on we wouldn't be having this discussion.  They propped her up for ratings but it has backfired because they're now shocked that she's in the finals!  That's what they get.  BTW - I quit watching after the first few episodes because I saw this train wreck coming.

    My favorite reality show (5.00 / 4) (#77)
    by Left of the Left on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 03:06:08 PM EST
    is watching those being outraged at reality shows. I hope Bristol wins. And if and when the time comes I hope Sarah loses.

    LOL! (none / 0) (#78)
    by vml68 on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 03:07:03 PM EST

    I like Tom Bergeron's comments (5.00 / 4) (#83)
    by katiebird on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 05:50:49 PM EST
    When asked, "Is there noticeable commotion when Bristol Palin gets the lowest scores but isn't eliminated?"

    Tom Bergeron replied:

    Here's the thing. Let's address the Bristol thing. That's the thing I get the biggest kick out of on the show. I'm going to put on my political hat. I'm a liberal Democrat, and I state that proudly. But I have no patience with my friends who believe there is a conspiracy keeping Bristol on the show. They'll say, and they're friends of a similar political persuasion though I have friends across the spectrum, "Oh, well! She's still on the show! She's obviously not the best dancer! She gets the lowest scores!" My response to that is similar to my response to the midterm elections. I'll say, "OK, right. So who did you vote for instead of Bristol?" "Uh, well, I don't vote!" "Well, then, f*ck you." I mean, basically! You can clean that up. I have no patience for that! If you don't participate to create a different outcome -- and this can be true in national politics or a TV reality show -- then don't piss and moan if you don't like the way it's playing out. You know, I'm sorry! I think Bristol is clearly not the best dancer here, but she's a charming young woman who's shown an incredible growth from week one to this week. If she happens to get more votes for whatever reason, more power to her. If you don't like it, vote for someone else. But that's been the part of the show that's amused me, how quickly people are to seize on conspiracy theories when people aren't involved in the process.

    Here's what Tom Bergeron didn't say: (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:41:38 PM EST
    If the judges had given her the appropriate scores she wouldn't have advanced as far.  The tabulations are based on a combination of the judges' scores and the call-in votes.  Extrapolating based on lower judge scores would have put her out of contention a long time ago, and rightly so.  She should have been gone in week three, or earlier.

    I left out the link (none / 0) (#84)
    by katiebird on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 05:53:53 PM EST
    Jeralyn, you have a client that needs you!! (5.00 / 1) (#88)
    by Gerald USN Ret on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 02:58:25 AM EST
    Steven Cowan shot his TV set with a shotgun over DWTS and Palin, and then went on a rampage.

    Finally arrested by a SWAT team.

    He could use a good legal defender.

    I don't watch much DWTS or any of the romance matching or survivor shows.  I have watched "So you think you can dance" on occasion because I love to see the best do their thing and the guy that heads the judges, Nigel Lythgoe, who was a great dancer always says that what is more important than raw technique is is how you connect with the audience.  

    Bristol obviously does that, so give her some credit.

    ratings? (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by lawstudent on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 07:10:29 AM EST
    I will openly admit I've never watched this show, but perhaps the reason it does not have a plan to override the majority of voters, when the voting is not reflective of the talent, is because majority of voters = majority of viewers.  I doubt the show cares who the best dancer is.

    girl culture (4.57 / 7) (#33)
    by goldberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:52:37 AM EST
    I can't help notice that the bloggers complaining loudest about a reality show that is mindless entertainment are women.  
    Why is that?  
    It's like fourth grade when all the girls get together and whisper behind their hands about the one girl they hate, hate, hate.  
    And it's not based on merit.  If Democratic female bloggers had any integrity at all about merit, they never would have promoted Obama over his opponent.  
    The left blogosphere is rapidly losing all credibility over the Palins.  What would happen if you just ignored them and their followers?  Maybe she would burn out much more quickly and become just another has-been.  But noooo.  We've got to humiliate these people and their supporters.  
    And we call THEM stupid.  

    wow (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:58:48 AM EST
    Karma (3.25 / 4) (#27)
    by Fen on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:02:06 AM EST
    Funny thread.  The Left alinskied Palin and targeted her daughter. Now they're all upset because Palin's base is gettting a little pushback.

    And this is the same Left that is always shoving their politics into venues where it doesn't belong.

    How delicious.

    "Alinskied"? (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:46:16 AM EST
    I don't think you know who or what Alinsky was.

    And you left out George Soros.  I'm sure he fits into leftist perfidy on this somehow if you really try.


    Run, Sarah, run! (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by MKS on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:39:19 AM EST
    We should have more of Sarah Palin.....I would really like that....

    She should be the Republican nominee......


    Sheesh; does ABC want to kill the show? (none / 0) (#1)
    by rhbrandon on Tue Nov 16, 2010 at 11:19:25 PM EST
    Who wants to invest themselves as viewers in the show if the scoring is going to be so manipulated?

    Scoring? (5.00 / 2) (#5)
    by Romberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:23:35 AM EST
    The scoring wasn't manipulated. In the scoring, Brandy got better marks. Viewer votes made the difference, and viewer votes are part of the system. They need to change the system. In cases like this, the current system returns faulty (as in "the best dancer loses rather than wins") results.

    if they did that (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:59:42 AM EST
    no one would watch

    So you say (none / 0) (#51)
    by Romberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:02:55 AM EST
    I don't agree.

    The judges have some fault here (none / 0) (#13)
    by sj on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 01:32:32 AM EST
    They have been consistently over-scoring her.  No doubt that was also a political move.

    I don't watch any of this stuff (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 03:54:28 AM EST
    But a lot of people think that Palin is a Presidential possibility, therefore who wants to go down in history as someone who dogged a Presidents daughter.  It isn't a situation that breeds impartiality, Bristol Palin probably should have never ended up on this show.  Her parents are working hard to rise politically and they have a huge revenge streak too as we have all clearly seen.

    Yes. (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by Romberry on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 04:57:45 AM EST
    Bristol Palin probably should have never ended up on this show.

    Yes. This. The show is supposed to be "Dancing with the Stars" and not "Dancing with Some Politician's Kid."  That's not a slight against Bristol Palin, it's just my way of saying that I can't think of any fair way to call her a star or even a political celebrity.  She's the daughter of a political celebrity and as far as celebrity goes, nothing more.* For that reason alone I have never understood why she was invited to be on the show.

    *Put another way, if her mom wasn't Sarah Palin, it's very likely none of use would even know who she is.


    not a political move.... (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by DFLer on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:52:53 AM EST
    over-scoring to keep someone on a show would be merely a ratings move.

    How can you know that for certain (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:00:09 AM EST
    in this particular case?  Do you really want to P.O. a possible President on national television?  It is saved forever on the internet now. Just sayin as a military spouse, who at the beginning of the Iraq War had to deal with a soldier spouse being dealt very dirty for talking to new Senator Clinton in public.  She was later almost President as well and is now Secretary of State.  The dirty dealing people felt obliged to get the hell out of the military while the getting was good, before those who had been dealt dirty took them in hand or confronted them or something like that :)  I swear, nobody is as blind to the prospects that the future holds as a jarhead winger :)

    agreed (none / 0) (#64)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:14:29 PM EST
    the judges overscored her and treated her differently than the others all season. I don't think that was politics, I think they felt sorry for her. But they haven't hand-held anyone else the way they did her. She was babied the whole time.

    Okay, it may not ... (none / 0) (#73)
    by sj on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 02:16:09 PM EST
    ... have been political.  But she really was babied the whole time.  

    My original conjecture was based on the idea that they (the judges.  And maybe the producers, too) didn't want to be bombarded by the Tea Party criticism that was sure to come if she were given the scores that she deserved.  To me, that's a political motive for overscoring.  Not necessarily Democrat/Republican/Batsh!t crazy political, as much as normal, interpersonal, keep-my-life-simple political calculation.


    Tea bagging America watches TV (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdm251 on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:03:44 AM EST
    Shows on the major networks seem directed at Tea Bag America and the result isn't pretty.

    As for the comments as to what a great mom Sarah Palin is, her daughter is a high school dropout.

    Having a daughter that is a high school (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:53:53 AM EST
    dropout is not necessarily due to incompetent parenting :)  Sometimes that teenage rebellion takes everything over and is determined to smash and crash ALL WITHIN ITS REACH.  Don't you watch 'In Treatment'? :D

    So next week (none / 0) (#32)
    by itscookin on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:23:01 AM EST
    the people behind Bristol are all fired up and ready to go. The only way to keep her from winning it all will be for those opposed to it to get behind either Jennifer or Kyle, but they're going to have to choose. Everybody votes for the middle-aged white lady or the younger black guy in a block or Palin takes it home. Too funny!

    Sounds like the typical scenario (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by ruffian on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:26:45 AM EST
    in a teaparty influenced election.

    There was a reality show crime this year (none / 0) (#48)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 09:57:47 AM EST
    and it was not DWTS.

    Mando was clearly the winner of project runway but for whatever reason the judges (other then Heidi) took offense that he did not take their runway show advice to heart and instead put his vision out there (which was clearly better then the bland alternative) and awareded the show to what's her name.

    That was ridiculous.  Even Jessica Simpson was taken aback.

    If we're going to point out reality show injustices lets start at the top.

    DWTS is a popularity contest.  If we want to complain how about the fact that someone like Bristol is competing against professional singers and dancers on a dancing show.   One could argue that she has shown the most improvement so she deserves to win.   Jennifer Grey was in a Dancing movie and is professionally trained.   This is as silly as the figure skater who was on the show.

    There seems to me to be plenty of unfairness going around on DWTS.

    not the same thing (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:31:35 PM EST
    Yes, I would have voted for Mondo or Andy over Gretchen, but Gretchen is a designer in real life, and viewers don't get to vote on Project Runway. It was totally the judges' decision.  

    DWTS isn't choosing who has the most improvement, but who is the best dancer. Bristol should have been sent home weeks ago. Even Florence Henderson was way better than her. So was Audrey, the contestant from The Hills. So were Kurt and Rick.

    Bristol was in bottom two 7 times this season. Only an orchestrated phone/text could have caused that result. It doesn't mean the Palins knew about it or encouraged it, it means the show is at fault for letting it happen.


    Agreed there is a difference (none / 0) (#69)
    by Slado on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:57:30 PM EST
    but what was so silly was Mondo was the clear winner of the show if you took the entirety of the season.

    He won the most challenges, he was the most fashion minded etc.. etc...

    I felt that the Michael and Nina took a very convaluted path to deciding Gretchen should win.  Her clothes where horrible and bland and Mondo's are being worn by Hiedi on runways today.    

    My bigger point is all this tv is rigged to get people talking for ratings and I wouldn't be suprised if the producers of DWTS are purposely defying the public to keep Bristol on there.

    Don't take it so hard.  I've gotten over Mondo.


    ThANK YOU (none / 0) (#92)
    by DancingOpossum on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 11:52:25 AM EST
    Project Runway was a complete travesty, horror show, and meltdown this past season. Let's not even talk about them leaving Michael C out of the finals, in favor of the utterly talentless Gretchen.

    It was a travesty. But you know what? I'm over it.

    I was also highly vexed at the Top Chef winner this year, whatever hsi name was.

    What I'm still not over? Ohhh things like stolen elections, and stolen primaries. THOSE are real travesties that are worth staying angry about and not getting over.

    I don't watch DWTS, but truly, I fail utterly to understand the relentless, 24/7 obsessive Bristol-watching as if the fate of the universe depends on it.

    Awarding the PR title to Gretchen won't bring the fashion world down, and awarding Top Chef designation to some nameless nobody won't end the art of fine cuisine, I assure you. Awarding top honors in DWTS to Bristol Palin will also not bring about the ruin of the free world or all this good and holy and decent. Honestly. It won't.


    I was upset but not this upset (none / 0) (#58)
    by Saul on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 10:55:43 AM EST
    MADISON, Wis. -- Authorities say a 67-year-old rural Wisconsin man enraged over Bristol Palin's "Dancing with the Stars" routine blasted his television with a shotgun, leading to an overnight standoff with a SWAT team

    He really , really didn't like her (none / 0) (#62)
    by MO Blue on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 11:42:46 AM EST
    Local authorities claim Steven Cowan (left) told officers that he felt Palin was not a good dancer and that she was only on the show because of her famous mother. link

    LOL (none / 0) (#63)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:09:08 PM EST
    It was bad but I certainly wouldn't be destroying my own property over it!

    it is funny until you read (none / 0) (#68)
    by Jeralyn on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 12:40:35 PM EST
    he's bi-polar and now facing 10 years in jail.

    No (none / 0) (#80)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 03:51:35 PM EST
    just read the headline. 10 years for shooting out his own TV? What nonsense.

    for over 30 years, I'm also not digging the suggestion that "the bi-polar made me do it."

    It's a popularity show. (none / 0) (#74)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 02:21:41 PM EST
    Just like the majority of life. Whatcha gonna do?

    Backlash in 2012? (none / 0) (#82)
    by robrecht on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 04:54:25 PM EST
    I don't watch this show or any other so-called reality TV, but obviously this farce is destroying DWTS for anyone who watches it for the dancing, which is a shame.  But if this Bristol Palin goes on to actually win, I think many people will be up in arms.  Might even create a backlash against her mother in 2012.  Strange case of poetic (choreographic) justice.  Most people don't seem to care much about policy, but, who knows, maybe this might actually connect with people.

    I'll tell you someone who "doesn't care (none / 0) (#86)
    by Angel on Wed Nov 17, 2010 at 08:39:17 PM EST
    about policy" and that's Sarah Palin.  She quit the governor's job after less than two years and now she wants to be president?  Give me a break.

    Two years (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by DancingOpossum on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 05:00:15 PM EST
    Two years is longer than Obama spent in any elected office--or job, for that matter. Yet many people (not me) thought he was eminently qualified for the job of president.

    Wrong (5.00 / 0) (#96)
    by daring grace on Thu Nov 18, 2010 at 07:26:11 PM EST
    Two years is longer than Obama spent in any elected office

    From wiki    

    Barack Obama

    United States Senator
    from Illinois
    In office
    January 3, 2005 - November 16, 2008

    Member of the Illinois Senate
    from the 13th district
    In office
    January 8, 1997 - November 4, 2004