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    Has Josh Marshall finally been ransomed? (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Pol C on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 11:02:02 AM EST
    From a post by Josh late Friday night:

    Now, before saying anything else, let me say that there's never been a bigger fan of Bill Clinton's than me

    Link here.

    Who reads Josh Marshall anymore? (5.00 / 2) (#2)
    by Angel on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 12:18:14 PM EST
    Somehow, you can just tell ... (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Yman on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 05:16:41 PM EST
    ... there's a big "butt" coming ...

    Now, before saying anything else, let me say that there's never been a bigger fan of Bill Clinton's than me (though I had some wavering in 2008).

    Yeah, if by "wavering" you mean full-blown CDS.

    Wouldn't pay that ransom if they were asking for a wooden nickel.


    Well, (none / 0) (#13)
    by BackFromOhio on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 05:06:03 PM EST
    he completely overlooked today's Carville/Greenberg article in the NY Times about the 1998 election where Dems were rumored to be facing a major loss, but pulled it out, based on poll done in Oct.  Similar results for Carville/Greenberg recent poll.

    And what do results in 1994 have to do with frustration over lack of a coherent message today?  Clinton's either correct or not.  Carville points out that the Dems held their own in the 1998 elections despite the impeachment hearings.  


    There's a case to be made that (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Oct 25, 2010 at 07:44:34 AM EST
    Dems. held their own because of the impeachment hearings, actually.

    Exactly! (none / 0) (#29)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 05:39:57 PM EST
    I do (none / 0) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 06:27:43 PM EST
    think the house is gone but it might not be as bad as everybody thinks. I have no idea about the senate because everyday it seems to be a different story.

    I think it's going to be total chaos. We have a race for Gov. here in GA where it's tied between the D and the R and that shouldn't be happening in GA for the GOP this year. More than likely we are going to have a run off.

    Generally, it seems that the incumbents are going to be taking it on the chin.


    I don't do predictions (none / 0) (#18)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 06:52:17 PM EST
    but I would be surprised if Deal didn't win without a runoff on election day.

    Georgia is crimson.


    I know (none / 0) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 07:14:12 PM EST
    but the guy is such a crook and had such a nasty primary with Handel that her supporters are still steamed at him. He basically called her a pedophile. he's a real sleaze. If he wins, I would not be surprised to see him indicted within the next few years.

    In the case of Georgia, probably (none / 0) (#20)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 07:35:09 PM EST
    better a crook than an ideologue.

    With any luck Dems can run against him in 2-4 years. I mean, you guys have nowhere to go but up these days. When Gwinnett and Cobb county flip blue in the next 10 years or so, you can start to rebuild.

    Personally, I'm not sure I'd want to live there in the interim.


    It's not (none / 0) (#25)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 25, 2010 at 04:43:09 AM EST
    that bad but there are days that I feel that way too. Not everybody thinks the same way the radical fundamentalists do.

    Seems to me that if the Repubs (none / 0) (#30)
    by BackFromOhio on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 05:41:07 PM EST
    had nominated half decent candidates and left the wackos off the ballots, the elections will have been far more successful for the Repubs.

    Ransomed? Some might disagree. (none / 0) (#28)
    by EL seattle on Tue Oct 26, 2010 at 01:28:59 AM EST
    And I think they have their reasons.  For instance, see Anglachel's reaction/response to the Friday TPM post:

    Sun. Oct. 24 - WKJM's Frustration


    BTD you need to tell me what to think more often (none / 0) (#3)
    by catchy on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 12:19:31 PM EST
    Stop neglecting your blogging duties.

    i watched ou/mizzou (none / 0) (#4)
    by Turkana on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 12:28:18 PM EST
    and after seeing the ducks on thursday, it was like watching a game in slow motion. i have no idea how things will go at usc, but the ducks would run through and around either ou or mizzou.

    The Ducks are in 1st place now (none / 0) (#6)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 01:26:08 PM EST
    Guess next week will determine if they can avoid the curse that has plagued the 1st place teams in recent weeks.  

    and usc on the road (none / 0) (#7)
    by Turkana on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 01:40:34 PM EST
    just happens to be their toughest game.

    AP: gay voters angry (none / 0) (#5)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 01:15:54 PM EST

    Robin McGehee, co-founder and director of the national gay-rights organization GetEQUAL calls the mood among gay voters a "disappointment canyon" but said they have no choice but to go to the polls.

    She, however, is refusing to donate to or volunteer for any candidate this year. And members of her group are protesting wherever Obama appears on the campaign trail.

    "We can't not take advantage of the right to vote, but that doesn't mean we can't vote smartly," said McGehee, of Fresno, Calif. "If I was a leader in the Democratic Party, I would be worried.

    "Either we're important enough to fight for our equality or we're worth losing," ''Right now we're being treated like we're worth losing."

    IMO, Obama wouldn't have done that video last week if this problem weren't real.

    Truthfully (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 01:51:29 PM EST
    at this point who doesn't have a problem with Obama? African Americans are the only ones who I haven't heard express their displeasure with him but that doesn't mean they are happy either.

    Don't count on that (none / 0) (#22)
    by sj on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 08:37:13 PM EST
    Remember this woman?  "Is this my new reality?"

    She really used her question superbly (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by andgarden on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 10:22:29 PM EST
    "Is this my new reality?" is a question that many Americans have been sitting on for at least a year.

    Completely agree (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by sj on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 11:54:58 PM EST
    I'm not, however, convinced that he heard it.

    I had forgotten (none / 0) (#26)
    by Ga6thDem on Mon Oct 25, 2010 at 04:46:06 AM EST
    about that. You know what that whole exchange came off to me as? It looked like she was a student asking a question and he was the professor answering the question. He acted as if the whole problem is some academic discussion not a horrible situation that is affecting many people's lives.

    I've never be angrier. I've already refused (5.00 / 1) (#9)
    by jes on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 02:00:54 PM EST
    to donate or volunteer this year. I'll vote, but I may just leave everything blank. I got what I voted for Obama for in SCOTUS (I think). I'm just not sure I can pull the lever for the most incompetent administration I think I've ever seen.

    I ranted (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by Zorba on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 02:06:17 PM EST
    so much to the last person who called from the DSCC about the shortcomings of the Senate Dems, as well as the Obama administration, she finally hung up on me.  I will vote, reluctantly, but I keep telling everyone who calls "none of my money, none of my time or effort."

    Bloggers purging the Catholic Church (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 02:48:57 PM EST
    not of pedophiles but of people who are not conservative enough. AP

    By the time they are through the Catholic Church in America, may be small enough to drown in the bath tub.

    My Priest seems (none / 0) (#12)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 04:47:08 PM EST
    to think that we are going through a modern rendition of the reformation. I'm still undecided on that though.

    Many of the mainline Protestant (none / 0) (#15)
    by Harry Saxon on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 05:49:35 PM EST
    denominations are losing membership, according to the Yearbook of American and Canadian Churches, from www.nccusa(dot)org:

    New York, February 12, 2010 -- The National Council of Churches' 2010 Yearbook of American & Canadian Churches reports membership gains in the Catholic Church, the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints and the Assemblies of God, among others.

    The 78th annual edition of the Yearbook also reports a continuing decline in membership of virtually all mainline denominations. And the Southern Baptist Convention, the nation's second largest denomination and long a reliable generator of church growth, reported a decline in membership for the second year in a row, down 0.24 percent to 16,266,920.

    The Catholic Church, the nation's largest at more than 68 million members, also reported a slight membership loss in 2009 but rebounded this year with a robust growth of 1.49 percent.

    The Latter-day Saints grew 1.71 percent to 5,873,408 members and the Assemblies of God grew 1.27 percent to 2,863,265 members, according to figures reported in the 2010 Yearbook.

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    That has (none / 0) (#17)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 06:30:37 PM EST
    been going on for a while but I personally think it's now the evangelical mega churches that are going to be hit especially in this economy because they are so dependent on heavy donations that a lot of people can no longer afford AND they have very high overhead.

    Re: The Crystal Cathedral (none / 0) (#21)
    by Harry Saxon on Sun Oct 24, 2010 at 07:58:40 PM EST
    From www.latimes(dot)com:

    October 19, 2010

    First came the layoffs, then the cutbacks in programming. Now the Crystal Cathedral, the beleaguered glass megachurch in Orange County, has filed for bankruptcy protection.

    The church decided to file for Chapter 11 after some of its creditors sued for payment, according to church officials. Hundreds of creditors could be owed between $50 million and $100 million, according to documents filed in U.S. Bankruptcy Court in Santa Ana on Monday.

    "Our ministry will continue as usual," said Senior Pastor Sheila Schuller Coleman, speaking under an overcast sky Monday afternoon at the church's sprawling 40-acre Garden Grove campus. She said that if anything, the recent troubles will give the church's messages more meaning.

    The church was started by the Rev. Robert H. Schuller in a rented drive-in movie theater in 1955 and came to prominence through the "Hour of Power" television show. But in January, faced with a $55-million budget deficit and a 27% drop in revenue over the last two years, it eliminated some of its signature offerings and sold property.

    The church slashed dozens of jobs, pulled the "Hour of Power" from seven stations and canceled its annual Christmas and Easter pageants, which drew thousands of people.

    Earlier this year, the organization was sued in Orange County Superior Court by some of its creditors.

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