Thursday Afternoon Open Thread

Slate, which is owned by the Washington Post, and Fred Hiatt, who works for the Washington Post, think Juan Williams should not have been fired.

Why doesn't the Washington Post hire him then? He's available. And gawd knows the WaPo Op-Ed page publishes a stunning array of crap already. One more source for it won't matter. It is obvious that NPR's standards are different than WaPo and Fox News. Why not stick to worrying about their own editorial decisions and less about those made by other media organizations?

Open thread.

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    Even Jesse Jackson... (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by diogenes on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:45:19 PM EST
    Didn't Jesse Jackson say several years ago that there was nothing more painful to him than to hear people walking behind him at night, turn around, and be relieved because they were white?

    I'm relieved... (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:53:18 PM EST
    when they don't have a badge and blue jacket...we've all got our prejudices.

    And we'll never see the error of it, if we aren't allowed to talk about it.

    The very free speech friendly policy on Talkleft has made me a better man on this front...if you think I'm anti-cop now you shoulda heard me 8 years ago.  It's a constant struggle.  


    we are (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:38:30 PM EST
    here for you man



    The context was that Jackson was (none / 0) (#9)
    by MKS on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:00:09 PM EST
    admitting that he had prejudices too--he was not proud about his reaction....

    But that context gets turned around into Jackson supporting bigotry.

    Bigotry is a nasty thing, and it requires constant vigilance to overcome....That is what Jackson was saying....Not that it's okay....


    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#10)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:14:47 PM EST
    the point of that story was "isn't this terrible" as opposed to "I am not terrible."  Which is obvious to the uh, less disingenuous.

    reframing (2.00 / 0) (#59)
    by diogenes on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 08:23:13 PM EST
    Are you saying that if Juan Williams said, "I hate myself for having this prejudice which like many prejudices is based on the kernel of truth that this decade's plane, Times Square, and European subway subway bombers have been Moslems and often physically appear to be such" then would that have been OK?  

    Maybe .... maybe not (none / 0) (#65)
    by Yman on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 09:55:43 PM EST
    You'd probably have to ask NPR if such a statement was consistent with their editorial standards and practices.  You know, ...

    ... if Jackson actually worked for them.


    Again (none / 0) (#78)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 08:08:41 AM EST
    probably not, as is obvious to the less disingenuous.

    What is a Moslem? (none / 0) (#88)
    by MKS on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 01:10:44 PM EST
    If you are going to bash a particular group, at least spell their name correctly.....

    No, you distort the idea.  Juan was trying to justify bigotry by saying, me too, Mr. Civil Rights, has a problem with "Moslems."

    And, no, the 9/11 terrorists were not dressed as "Moslems."  They were dressed in Western garb.....That is one of the reasons why Williams' comments were so awkward.

    I fly a bit in the U.S. and I've never seen anyone in Moslem garb.  I did see people dressed as Arabs at Charles De Gaulle in Paris--it was actually interesting, not threatening, but each his own....I suppose there are people dressed in Arab dress here in the U.S.  But such dress is not connected to any terrorist act here.....

    As far as I know, there is no particular Moslem dress.  There are Moslems in Indonesia, Detroit, Afghanistan, and Jordan.....And they all dress differently....

    Have you seen anyone dressed as Christians?  What is Christian dress?  I have seen Christians in Latin America, Europe and Detroit, and there were some differences.....

    How is Christian dress different from Jewish dress?  As contrasted with Moslem dress....

    It would be good to learn something about Islam and Muslims (and Arabs who are not all Muslims) before showing one's ignorance....  


    white, as long as they weren't (none / 0) (#25)
    by jondee on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:24:18 PM EST
    teabaggers or Murdoch-Ailes-vetted Fox employees..

    the last time (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by cpinva on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:53:20 PM EST
    i made the mistake of reading something by that remarkably unremarkable hack, fred hiatt, my head hurt for days afterwards. i vowed to never make that same mistake again, not so much because it caused my head to hurt, but because it didn't feel all that much better, after i stopped banging it against a wall.

    i see absolutely no good reason (unless i am paid and fed) to break that vow now. or ever.

    Yes (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:10:52 PM EST
    Fred Hiatt is a tool.  Katharine Graham was not perfect, but she must rolling in her grave over what the WashPo has become.

    From the Krazy UK beat... (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:59:36 PM EST
    English cafe owner forced to remove vent fan from her kitchen because the glorious smell of bacon is offending muslim neighbors.

    But they can vent the crapper?  Someone explain this one to me:)

    Slashing Social Security (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by MO Blue on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:41:17 PM EST
    Speaker Pelosi pointed to three studies showing that the plan for Social Security preferred by Republicans - both privatization and progressive price indexing, a feature that the deficit commission has reportedly toyed with - would slash benefits for middle-income retirees.

    FDL has overview of the 3 studies and the ramifications of the cuts. Here is one:

    But the most interesting response came from the independent chief actuary of Social Security, requested by Rep. Earl Pomeroy, who oversees Social Security in the House. As he says, the results showed even bigger benefit cuts for the middle class.

    Under progressive price indexing, the chief actuary says, benefits for middle income workers would be cut up to 42% for an individual born in 2015, and up to 25% for one born in 1985. Increasing the retirement age slashes benefits up to 20% across the board. And cutting the cost of living adjustment, or otherwise tweaking it, reduces benefits gradually but consistently over time.

    I think we need to worry more (5.00 / 4) (#35)
    by KeysDan on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:32:30 PM EST
    about what President Obama and some Democrats want to do to/with social security than what the Republicans talk about.  President Obama has said that he is "committed to working with anyone who wants to strengthen social security"   The President's "Catfood Commission" is busy exploring ways and means to "strengthen" social security and has looked at Paul Ryans's plan--essentially a privatization not unlike the failed try by George Bush plus cuts and changes in age eligibility.  The Republicans will, fail again, if left to their own devices, but with the cover of a "bipartisan" commission, look out.

    Agree (5.00 / 3) (#36)
    by MO Blue on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:38:09 PM EST
    It will be Obama and the Democrats who will succeed where the Republicans have failed. They will not be left to their own devices but helped by Obama and his loyal band of Dems in cutting Social Security.

    Take the (5.00 / 5) (#52)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:56:39 PM EST
    d@mned cap off of Social Security withholding.

    Doubt that will happen (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by MO Blue on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 07:32:31 AM EST
    That would mean raising taxes on the "haves." That is forbidden while taking away from those who have little is encouraged.

    I got a plan... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 08:24:19 AM EST
    Do away with the penny, all transaction rounded down to the nearest nickel, and the penny remainder on all electronic transactions gets wired direct into the Social Security account, along with our contributions from our paychecks.

    Or would the wealthy b*tch about that too?


    what would they put in their penny loafers? (none / 0) (#84)
    by republicratitarian on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 09:42:39 AM EST
    Pennies don't look right (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by KeysDan on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 10:05:54 AM EST
    on Gucci loafers anyway.

    Hilarious (none / 0) (#86)
    by Militarytracy on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 10:57:41 AM EST
    Who (none / 0) (#87)
    by Zorba on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 12:03:20 PM EST
    the heck wears penny loafers any more?   ;-)

    whatcha hidin Joe? (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:44:57 PM EST
    Forty Alaska Republicans have signed an open letter to Republican Senate candidate Joe Miller, urging him to start answering questions from the media and voters about his background and qualifications to serve.
    "It is unacceptable -- and certainly not a winning strategy -- to explicitly refuse to answer reasonable questions about oneself, and to disrespect the Alaska public and the press' right to do so before the questions have even been asked," said the letter, made public Wednesday.

    Less than two weeks to go to (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by MO Blue on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:52:36 PM EST
    the November election and suddenly Obama and the Dems want to convince women to vote for the
    Democratic Party.

    SEATTLE (AP) -- In a last-ditch effort to prevent electoral disaster, President Barack Obama and Democratic allies are vigorously wooing women voters, whose usually reliable support appears to have softened.

    From blunt TV ads to friendlier backyard chats, they're straining to persuade women that it's the Democrats who are on their side and it's in women's vital interest to turn out and vote in the Nov. 2 elections that could give Republicans control of one or both houses of Congress. AP

    The fact that they need women to win is something that they might have wanted to consider during the health insurance debate and the Nelson amendment. Also, I might be able to decide if I should vote for them in about the same time frame as when they decide if birth control will be covered.

    A representative of HRSA could not comment on whether birth control would be covered under agency "comprehensive guidelines" because they are only in initial planning phases.

    "We have six months from passage to come up with that, and it's still being worked on," said HRSA communications director Martin Kramer. link

    Sigh (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:19:26 PM EST
    Yes, I'll reluctantly vote Democratic in the upcoming interim elections, but I'm not happy about it, and I have told all the Dem organizations that have called (the DSCC, DCCC, etc) that I'll vote Dem because the alternative is horrible, but I'm not giving a dime to them or working for them in any way.  This is way too little and too late.  Obama and company have been trashing their base too much, and for too long.  We simply don't believe them any more.

    Hahahahahahahaha (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:22:27 PM EST

    that was my reaction when (none / 0) (#50)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:37:34 PM EST
    i saw the blurb on yahoo. decided it was more important to find a WR for my FF team than to read the article :-P

    Who did... (none / 0) (#53)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 07:11:27 PM EST
    ...you come up with?  An awful lot of WR's and at least one All-Pro (and Hawkeye legend) TE went down with injuries last week--a couple thanks to James Harrison alone...

    iirc, i picked up (none / 0) (#54)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 07:30:31 PM EST
    MM from the Giants. i figure they might play hard against Dallas.

    i need to spend some serious time tomorrow to try and get my 3 teams through the weekend. Addia is on 2 of my teams and i have to deal with byes etc. oy.

    on the funny side, they just played a Bud commercial during the Giants game. At one point it had a graphic that said "Get your Buds" . . . if prop 19 passes, i see a whole new commercial, lol!~


    That's a hard game to figure out... (none / 0) (#57)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 08:10:36 PM EST
    ...G-Men on a 3 game winning streak, but Dallas really have their backs against the wall and they're playing at home.  I just hope it is more exciting than last week's MNF game.

    Yep, I meant DC.  Great story--walk on to the Iowa program as a LB out of tiny Livermore, IA to Mackey Award Winner/First Team All-American to NFL All-Pro TE.  Met him and his family at the Alamo Bowl in '01 when we beat Texas Tech.  Good people.  That trip was one of all-time favorite football experiences.

    Boy, I sure hope Bud doesn't get their hooks into the MJ trade!  Their bland beer is bad enough...

    The Giants are behind, I see.  I was hoping the Freak would end it tonight.


    America's Team (none / 0) (#58)
    by MKS on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 08:19:06 PM EST
    See, the karmic gods really have it in for us.  First, the economy.  Next, the Dallas Cowboys.....There is a causal link....

    If the Cowboys were to win the Super Bowl this year, all would be good.  The first time they won under Jerry Jones, Bill Clinton won the White House....

    I think I may give up on that sorry mess in Dallas and start watching the Lakers....

    Why is it that Dallas provides the greatest collapses in NFL history?  Starting with the Ice  Bowl, down to the Catch, to now this ignominious debacle.....

    And, it's the Giants....Uh-oh, this is gonna be bad....The current Cowboys were psyched out by the Giants a couple of years ago and never recovered.....Giants win this time too....


    Never could stand (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by brodie on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 08:38:58 PM EST
    that unearned, media-driven "America's Team" nonsense.  And it's just as well for us non-Boys fans -- numbering easily in the tens of millions nationwide -- that they seem to struggle, despite all their talent and money, maybe a little more than they succeed.

    Though I wouldn't be too hard on them about that Ice Bowl.  Warn't no one gonna stop the Pack on that final drive, not at home, not with Lombardi driving them hard, and the refs sure weren't gonna call illegal procedure on Kramer on that final TD play.  Actually, given the frozen tundra conditions, it was a miracle the Boys even scored a couple of TDs that day and nearly won it.


    ahhhhhhhh! The Catch :) (none / 0) (#61)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 08:58:44 PM EST
    Could be worse... (none / 0) (#67)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:12:22 PM EST
    ...you could be a Lions fan.  Talk about bad karma--ever since Barry Sanders left town.  

    I feel bad for Wade Phillips, but Jerry's team not getting to play the Super Bowl in his own palace doesn't make me sad.  


    The Lions (none / 0) (#83)
    by jbindc on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 08:59:45 AM EST
    Weren't even that good with Barry Sanders, but he at least made the games exciting to watch.  Sigh.  We are an ever optimistic (at the beginning of the season) bunch of fans who are also ling suffering.  And masochists too.

    it's basically the only time I cheer for the (none / 0) (#62)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 09:07:17 PM EST
    NYG, lol!~ talk about bad games, I got stuck with the "Battle of the Bay/(Bad)" on Sunday instead of the Jets/Broncos :(

    cool that you got to meet DC. My fav meet was Ronnie Lott. At one of my old jobs, I handled fashion and football, so I got to work with him on a shoot. Really good guy. Hmm . . . I could use a good sports guy shoot these days :)

    I'm designing my own "Bud" commercials and intend to beat out Bud on it ;)

    The Freak better end it tonight. I'm going to be totally scr*wed if it ends up being the Giants/Yanks though, lol!~


    oh, and were you referring to TE Clark? (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 07:36:44 PM EST
    i had a panic when i heard that, as he was on all my teams last year. seems i only have him this year on one team and he's on a bye. . . . thankfully i have an okay BU there . . . .

    and the Giants announcer just told everyone to go grab a Bud :) i really hope 19 passes. even my 75yo mom is on board.


    Oh, boy, (5.00 / 4) (#47)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:32:25 PM EST
    I guess we're supposed to act like battered wives once again. It's not like Obama wasn't warned...

    Good thing for me . . . (5.00 / 3) (#55)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 07:32:01 PM EST
    i have no experience as a battered wife. i'm more of a "Oh H*ll NO!" type of woman ;)

    Woo-hoo (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by Ga6thDem on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:36:16 PM EST
    I just beat down a conservative on a bipartisan blog! he finally gave up and started yelling that I must be on welfare or something. LOL. It's the last resort of a conservative when they are losing an argument.

    Well done (none / 0) (#74)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 11:52:06 PM EST
    I don't have the patience for it, but I'm good at standing around and cheering somebody else on.:-)

    If you (none / 0) (#75)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 04:06:41 AM EST
    use reason against them they fall apart. This particular guy wanted government funding for parochial schools so I came back with the fact that did he want to fund Mosques too? These people are always okay with the government propping up their religious school but when you tell them you could be funding Arabic schools they go nuts.

    Clarence Thomas' former lover, Lillian McEwen, (5.00 / 2) (#63)
    by Angel on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 09:08:42 PM EST
    is now speaking out, says he was "obsessed with pornography," and "...he has manufactured a different reality over time. That's the problem that he has."  Me thinks this new book is what prompted his current wife to phone Anita Hill.  

    That was fast... (none / 0) (#1)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:37:33 PM EST
    NY Governor-Elect Jimmy McMillan's message has already reached Berlin.

    Why is Mickey Mouse prancing around naked?  Because the rent is too damn high!

    I'm digging Hedonistic International, I like how they roll.

    I love Jimmy ... (none / 0) (#48)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:35:17 PM EST
    and with Cuomo looking a certainty, I think I might vote for him.  Because, it's true ... rents are too damn high!

    I dare to dream... (none / 0) (#81)
    by kdog on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 08:35:04 AM EST
    he has got a real shot at getting 2nd place.

    Cuomo gets the serious people vote of course, left and right (even the NY Post endorsed him)...if all the oddballs, goofballs, knuckleheads, disenfranchised, and hopeless bleeding hearts in NY vote for Jimmy Mac he could pull off 2nd place.  The look on Paladino's face alone if that happened would be priceless...and maybe discourage the next millionaire welfare whore from running:)


    I wonder (none / 0) (#2)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:39:13 PM EST
    how many Muslims work at Fox News (I'm sure some do).  You'd think they'd have a case against Fox News for a hostile work environment...

    Speak of the devil... (none / 0) (#5)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:49:17 PM EST
    this black man found it hostile, and not just for muslims...he's alleging there is a lot of hating on all the usual suspects...blacks, arabs, jews, hispanics, and women.

    Stay alert, and hate with Fox:)


    Hmm (none / 0) (#11)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:16:49 PM EST
    interesting.  You must have some really weird RSS feeds set up kdog ;)  Amazing though that this story ran today.  I would expect that Fox's commentary bleeds into the way they run their business; I'm surprised we don't hear of more similar stories.  Maybe that would help people make the connection between hate speech and behavior.

    Juan (none / 0) (#4)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 02:47:16 PM EST
    would fit in great at Stale

    We went to see 'Red' (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 03:52:22 PM EST
    last night.  Enjoyed it.

    Loved it (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by lilburro on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:15:58 PM EST
    at least the Helen Mirren parts.  I could watch a 10 hour miniseries of her shooting stuff.  "Hunting With Helen."  It made me want to look into her detective show too, Prime Suspect.

    Prime Suspect is an amazing series. (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:38:31 PM EST
    Well worth seeking out and viewing in its entirety. Start at the beginning and watch the episodes in order. Even though each episode can stand alone, you really need to watch it as it plays out over the years to get the full effect of Jane Tennison's (Mirren's character) career and personal life.

    I loved her too (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:20:28 PM EST
    That was why I wanted to go see it, I wanted to watch her pull off that role.  And she did.

    Saw an interview with Mirren (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:35:14 PM EST
    When talking about her role in RED, Mirren revealed that she modeled her character after Martha Stewart. According to Mirren, Stewart and her character are both pleasant, cheery, intelligent,  eye-twinkling women with an inner core of hardened steel.

    OMG how amazing! (none / 0) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:48:25 PM EST
    The Mirren characters house in the movie is code named the "Eagles Nest".  It sounds like hell too as they are discussing that if they think they can just crash the Eagles Nest they will all be shot dead.  Frank Morris decides that since he is the one in need he will go alone.  A bullet proof vest is discussed possibly for Frank Morris but it is agreed that it really won't help :)

    Then the camera pans the Eagle's Nest and a Blue Willow tea set is on a table and flower arrangements throughout.  A fireplace is also panned and is fluted wood moldings painted white enamel and the wall surrounding it is painted a gorgeous hue of dark mustard and I'm thinking to myself that I need to do that to my wood molding fireplace :)


    Helen Mirren's great acting (none / 0) (#34)
    by christinep on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:32:23 PM EST
    My husband--who, to my knowledge has never watched other detective series--somehow started watching Prime Suspect when it started in 1991 until its conclusion @2007. He enjoyed it, and remembered it so much that he ordered the full 25ish hours (comprising 7 long, long stories in a complete set.) I missed the series originally because of then-obsessive Sunday-night-getting-ready-for-the-workweek-ritual. Now, we are both watching (almost with popcorn) Prime Suspect a few nights a week. I've reached the stage of not wanting it to end.
    So...its good to keep hearing good reviews about "Red."  We two rapt Mirren fans will see that film when our re-run series is over.

    Awesome recommendations (none / 0) (#79)
    by lilburro on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 08:11:11 AM EST
    the box set isn't too bad ($70 or something) at Barnes and Noble.  I'll have to get it.  I need to finish Deadwood first though...

    Prime Suspect (none / 0) (#42)
    by Zorba on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:12:14 PM EST
    was superb, as was Helen Mirren, as always.

    saw another (none / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:01:55 PM EST
    whacked out movie last night.  The Human Centipede
    for some reason Netflix is dead so you have to find it there yourself but this is from wiki and should tell you what you need to know:

    The film tells the story of a German doctor who kidnaps three tourists and joins them surgically, mouth to anus, forming a "human centipede".
    According to Tom Six, the concept of the film arose from a joke he made with friends about punishing child molesters by stitching their mouth to the anus of a fat truck driver.[3] Six has said in interviews that a surgeon assisted him with the design of the medical procedure and that the film is "100% medically accurate". However, the medical accuracy has subsequently been described as laughable and "rubbish" by a physician and movie critics.[4] When approaching investors prior to filming, Six did not mention the mouth-to-anus aspect of the plot, fearing it would put off potential backers. The financiers of The Human Centipede did not discover the full nature of the film until it was complete.

    my review:



    ftr (5.00 / 2) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:03:34 PM EST
    I suppose its supposed to be horrifying but I could not stop laughing.  I think I may be irreparably damaged to have this reaction.

    I'm going to meditate on this (none / 0) (#19)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:13:35 PM EST
    for a bit before I dive right in :)....get my Ch'i lined up.  I made a new friend here recently.  She is pretty cool, my age, she is Buddhist as well and her spouse is a research scientist on post here pertaining to brain injury.  I told her a little about the movie 'Antichrist' after I had my acorn experience.  She is so funny.  She gasped and said OMG, that is mind pollution.  I had to sneak home to giggle because I just can't bring myself to see it that way.  I've always felt though that art and self expression should remain as free and open to all sorts of wildness if an artist leans in that direction.  They won't have much of a following if the mainstream cannot connect, and when an artist does challenge the boundary and takes most of us with him or her it borders on genius for me.  So I will probably check out this movie, I'm just getting myself prepared this time.

    well (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:22:48 PM EST
    this is no Antichrist.  this is a freak show.  I actually think Antichrist had some fairly redeeming qualities.  it was at least beautiful sometimes.

    really the best thing about it is the performance of the "mad doctor" he almost literally chews on the sets.

    but this one is not for the "uninitiated"

    one review I read said something, "it actually made me sick.  that is the highest compliment I can pay a horror movie"

    it didnt make me sick.  it made me laugh. but as I said I am not a good example I think.


    also (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:25:42 PM EST
    I think its safe to say the person who made this movies has some, um, number 2 issues.

    Now this is scary (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:40:06 PM EST
    indeed (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:42:50 PM EST
    I had not seen 'The Lovely Bones' (none / 0) (#21)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:18:41 PM EST
    until a few nights ago.  That is a pretty amazing movie.  I couldn't believe how realistic the sets were for the 70's.  My God, they had the dishes down and everything...even the hobbies that people did at that time.  I need to read the book.  It was amazing.  I told my son that if his dad had been killed in Iraq, I would have been turned into THAT grandma for Zoey and Naomi :)  I would have taken up smoking again after 20 years as a nonsmoker, slap some false eyelashes on, take my medicine and the day is good :)

    I like it too (none / 0) (#22)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:19:57 PM EST
    I liked it (none / 0) (#89)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 03:42:55 PM EST
    a lot actually but I think it could have been at least 30 minutes shorter.  

    I want to ask Juan Williams if (none / 0) (#16)
    by DFLer on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 04:01:31 PM EST
    he got the heebeejeebies seeing Cong Keith Ellison of MN on a plane, or for that matter the Capitol.

    Hypocrisy at NPR (none / 0) (#32)
    by Slado on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:19:10 PM EST
    So now they didn't fire hime because of his comments?


    As if Daniel Shore always told it factually and never let his opinion filter into his comments.


    Nevermind the fact that she said he should keep his comments betwen "himself and his phychiatrist".  Which she soon apologized for.

    Leave it to the PC clan to turn yet another word meaningless.   We've already rendered racist useless now it's on to bigot.

    He did it at NPR (none / 0) (#38)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:40:27 PM EST
    not on MSNBC.

    Who did what at (none / 0) (#72)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 11:48:31 PM EST
    NPR and not MSNBC?  I'm totally lost.  Assuming you meant fox and not MSNBC, I'm still lost.



    It was a good line too... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:44:38 PM EST
    and she goes and apologizes:)

    I have no desire to read the NPR ethics code, but Williams was working as a pundit at Fox, supposedly a journalist at NPR...if that's against NPR rules just say that, why butcher this thing so?  If he was in fact warned about sh*t multiple times as claimed, fair enough, but it's over this one comment it's lame.

    btw Good to hear from ya bro!


    And he abused an educator! (5.00 / 3) (#46)
    by Cream City on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:29:10 PM EST
    From the NPR news release at the link:  
    "Second, this isn't the first time we have had serious concerns about some of Juan's public comments.  Despite many conversations and warnings over the years, Juan has continued to violate this principal."

    So NPR can't spell, either?  


    Crassly said (none / 0) (#73)
    by gyrfalcon on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 11:50:00 PM EST
    but her point is right, as Williams himself would acknowledge in a less charged situation.  He was describing what he himself characterized as an irrational reaction.

    But crude of her to let her exasperation show so personally.


    C'mon BTD... (none / 0) (#33)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:21:11 PM EST
    who are you hexing, er I mean, picking in tonight's game--Oregon or UCLA?

    Will #1 fall for the third time in a row?  Probably not, but a 21 and a half point spread is pretty big...

    I like the Ducks tonight (none / 0) (#37)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 05:39:25 PM EST
    by 50.

    Bold! (none / 0) (#43)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:17:49 PM EST
    Especially since they only beat cellar dwellers WSU by 20 their last game.  Granted, that was in Pullman and they had a couple of key injuries but still...

    Ducks ahead 32-3 at the half. (none / 0) (#64)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 09:45:46 PM EST
    I don't understand this business about the spread. Are the Ducks beating the spread so far?

    Whatever. Go, Ducks!!!


    Yes, they are. (none / 0) (#66)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:05:47 PM EST
    They were favored by 21.5 points, so if they win by more than that they beat the spread.  

    And at the rate they're going, they're going to prove BTD right too...

    The new PAC-12 divisional split is interesting--too bad Washington won't be beating USC every year.  Not sure how I'd feel about it if I was a fan of one of the California schools.


    Gotta say, I'm of two minds (none / 0) (#68)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:17:32 PM EST
    about expanding the Pac 10 and setting up two divisions. I like every team playing every other team every year. I know a conference championship game is a big money-maker, but I am not convinced it will enhance football here.

    Yeah... (none / 0) (#69)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:35:25 PM EST
    ...I feel the same way about the Big Ten expansion.  Especially since we lose a long-standing traditional border state rivalry game against Wisconsin.  

    But, an annual final regular season game with Nebraska (The Corn Bowl) will be fun.  Selfishly, I would have rather had Colorado join the conference so I could see my Hawks just up the road in Boulder every couple of years.  


    I hated it when Penn State joined the (none / 0) (#70)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 10:39:42 PM EST
    Big 10. As a native Illinoian,  I maintain an interest in the historical Big 10. The Rose Bowl is like the battle of the two divisions of my life: Big 10 childhood, Pac 10 adulthood.

    Ducks win 60-13. (none / 0) (#71)
    by caseyOR on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 11:24:58 PM EST
    BTD wasn't far off. I don't understand why the BCS has Oklahoma at No. 1 and the Ducks at No. 2. C'mon, computers.

    And, the icing on the cake, we beat Rick Neuheisal, which is always a good thing.


    Heh, i really am back in the (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Thu Oct 21, 2010 at 06:45:50 PM EST
    bay area. dudes from the grateful dead singing the NA at the game {grin}

    Yesterday The Times of (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 06:16:24 AM EST
    India reported Pres.Obama may not make planned visit to Amritsar during his trip to India in November?  Why?  Because all visitors to the Golden Temple TSikh) must cover their heads.

    Gordon Pinsent Reads From Justin Bieber's Memoir (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Oct 22, 2010 at 08:54:45 AM EST
    this is awsum

    You know what never gets old? The irony of having an accomplished actor read some inane thing a flash-in-the-pan teen idol wrote. It worked with Christopher Walken reading Lady Gaga lyrics  last fall, and it's working again with this video of Canadian film actor Gordon Pinsent reading from Justin Bieber's new memoir First Step 2 Forever.