Tuesday Afternoon News and Open Thread

Update: Federal judge enjoins DADT The full three page order is here.

The White House announced today it was lifting the moratorium on deepwater drilling for oil and gas.

The Chilean miners are about to begin the rescue process.

Has debtor's prison returned? A report from the Brennan Center: Criminal Justice Debt: A Barrier to Reentry examines practices in 15 states.

Many states are imposing new and often onerous “user fees” on individuals with criminal convic­tions. Yet far from being easy money, these fees impose severe – and often hidden – costs on com­munities, taxpayers, and indigent people convicted of crimes. They create new paths to prison for those unable to pay their debts and make it harder to find employment and housing as well to meet child support obligations.

I'll be at the jail the remainder of the day. Here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Can you say "cognitive dissonance"? (5.00 / 0) (#7)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:41:58 PM EST
    On the one hand, we have Carl Paladino with his anti-gay rant.

    On the other hand, we have the Republicans' answer to Judy Garland (explicitly advertised as such) and Madonna, when it comes to wooing the gays.  Ann Coulter, hostess of Homocon.

    Ok.  He hates 'em, she woos 'em.

    Not so fast.

    She now comes out and announces her strong support for ... Paladino.

    Methinks the gentlest explanation is that the lady is desperate for attention and her books haven't been selling....  The less gentle explanations are far, far worse.

    too funny (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by sj on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:00:24 PM EST
    I was going to say that her books will always sell because of bulk purchases.  But I just googled, and apparently even with bulk purchases they're not selling.  

    That's good to know (5.00 / 0) (#18)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:05:17 PM EST
    I guess the bulk-buying has shifted over to Beck and Dick Morris.  If I never see that dame's ugly mug again it'll be too soon.

    I've been doing my part (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:43:04 PM EST
    Turning her books backwards on airport bookstore shelves. Noticed it in Vancouver a few years ago and thought it was a great idea.

    +1 (none / 0) (#51)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:42:07 PM EST
    And now we know where you got your screenname from.

    Oh yeah (none / 0) (#73)
    by DFLer on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 11:11:06 AM EST
    glad to hear I'm not the only one. I do that in any bookstore, to Bill O'Reilly and Sean Hannity too.

    AC replaced with younger, sleeker RW cartoons (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Ellie on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 09:07:24 PM EST
    Sassy 25-35-ish, glasses-wearing, cleavage showing, Repug talking-points sputtering nutjobs.

    Ain't it the truth! (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 12:44:24 AM EST
    There are legions of them now!  Monica Crowley, Andrea Tantaros, S.E. Cupp, and on and on.

    Have you ever noticed they all point their chins at the ceiling and open their mouths incredibly wide while they're spewing?  It's extroardinary.  They all take lessons from the same person or something.  Deeply ugly, no matter what they're yapping about.


    bull (none / 0) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:02:25 PM EST
    she woos them the same way he does.  by saying she has no problem with them as long as they stfu and dont make trouble and dont expect anything silly like equality.

    I think not "the same way" (none / 0) (#42)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:17:24 PM EST
    She spent more than a few seconds with a gay pron star a couple years back, back when he was something of a winger hero (gay, a pron star, Hispanic, Republican and in the military all at the same time).  

    Here's an article about their appearances at CPAC a couple years back.

    Here's an article on id-ing him as both Columbia student and Marine and gay pron star, wingnut, etc. with a pic of the both of them.

    I'm sure this is more complicated than, well, than a simple blog comment can encompass.


    she is a sexy blonde clothes horse (none / 0) (#44)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:23:00 PM EST
    if you know much about gay men, even misguided ones, its not hard to understand the "attraction".

    thats pretty much the only difference I see.  she has better legs than Carl and better taste in clothes.


    put another way (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:26:19 PM EST
    if Carlr got himself a "little black dress" he could probably start working the cable circuit.

    no information (none / 0) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:09:20 PM EST
    on how she feels about grinding in speedos.

    they are not "speedos" Carl.  they are thongs.


    Exactly (none / 0) (#58)
    by Catesby on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 08:35:05 PM EST
    only older white males with an excessive paunch wear Speedos.  3 sizes too small.

    Rah, Rah, Rah (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:22:49 PM EST
    More conserva-Dems, please.

    The Obama administration announced today that it is lifting the moratorium on deepwater drilling in the Gulf of Mexico.

    But Sen. Mary Landrieu (D-LA), who has been holding the nomination of a new director for the Office of Management and Budget in protest of the moratorium, said she will not release her hold.
    "Today's decision is a good start, but it must be accompanied by an action plan to get the entire industry in the Gulf of Mexico back to work," she said in a statement. "This means that the administration must continue to accelerate the granting of permits in shallow and deep water, and provide greater certainty about the rules and regulations industry must meet." TPM

    Crowds cheer as Mary shouts "Drill baby, drill."

    Heck who needs oceans or sea life anyway. They just get in the way of drilling for oil. :-(

    Sheesh (none / 0) (#69)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 12:49:53 AM EST
    Wouldn't she be better off politically to announce excitedly that "We've won!" and she herself had gotten Obama to end that dastardly moratorium and throw a big victory party?

    I think she should take out a (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 01:22:34 AM EST
    billboard saying "Look whose President now. Take that and stick it in your pipe and smoke it, Olympia." :-(

    debtors prison (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:06:20 PM EST
    certainly seems like an idea whos time has come.

    Taking a cue from the bosses... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:20:18 PM EST
    the big banks...kill 'em with user fees!

    When the man figures out how to bill us for breathing, then we're really in for it.


    Why am I thinking (none / 0) (#8)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:46:10 PM EST
    Ebenezer Scrooge?
    "Are there no prisons?" asked Scrooge.
    "Plenty of prisons," said the gentleman, laying down the pen again.
    "And the Union workhouses?"  demanded Scrooge.  "Are they still in operation?"
    "They are.  Still," returned the gentleman, "I wish I could say they were not."
    "The Treadmill and the Poor Law are in full vigour, then?"  said Scrooge.
    "Both very busy, sir."
    "Oh!  I was afraid, from what you said at first, that something had occurred to stop them in their useful course," said Scrooge.  "I'm very glad to hear it."


    Well played Z... (5.00 / 0) (#36)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:57:08 PM EST
    good old Scrooge pre-epiphany...he'd fit right in today.

    The times are changing back!  And the bad guys are more focused on message, spin, pr, and assorted advertising chicanery this time 'round.


    I love this story (none / 0) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:20:15 PM EST
    Does Paying Your Mortgage Make You a Good Person, or a Stupid Person?

    it makes a pretty good argument for giving the bank the middle finger and moving on.


    Broken link (none / 0) (#33)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:53:53 PM EST
    You can think of a mortgage as a contract between the lender and you.  You promise to either pay the mortgage, or give your property to the lender.  In some cases, I'm not so sure that it doesn't make sense to give the property back to the lender, if the property is worth less than what you owe on it.  I don't see the "moral argument" here, which has been flogged by, among others, the Mortgage Bankers Association, given their own strategic default on their $79 million building.  See The Daily Show.

    oops (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:57:46 PM EST
    Thanks (none / 0) (#43)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:20:06 PM EST
    Yes, it's true.  As the Mortgage Bankers Association did in their own case, it may well make more business sense to walk away from the mortgage.

    Besides that "walking away" angle.... (none / 0) (#41)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:16:29 PM EST
    there is also the "mortgage?  what mortgage?  Show me the deed motherf*cker" angle.  Maybe your nut has been chopped up and sold so many times it got lost in the shuffle.

    When the going gets shady, the good better get shady.  I'd play that card if a bank owned my joint...bank the money just in case, whaddya got to lose?  Two can play hardball, run a loophole, work the fine print...we the people could definitely stop being such suckers, at the very least.

    Easier said than done I know...I play the sucker too just to get the shady outta my hair sometimes...public and private sector shady.  

    It's a stupid game, but it pays off in the short run for 'em.  As long as some decent laws and judges exist, the hunted could do some hunting too.  Sh*t we should be squatting up a storm, and some are.



    It's a matter of knowing a couple things: (5.00 / 0) (#50)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:39:09 PM EST
    1.  Know your rights.
    2.  Know how to negotiate.  This implies and requires you know how your adversary behaves and, more importantly, how he makes his money.  If you can adopt tactics which thwart him from making his money, he will bend to your will.  
    3.  Remember:  as the debtor, you are in the powerful position.  You write the checks.
    Remember - the guy trying to collect the money from you is just some schlub in a cubicle working for a corporation bigger than he is.  
    He is not a sole proprietor.  
    He does not make the rules.  His bosses make the rules.  
    He gets paid if he brings in money and gets fired if he does not.  
    He has no loyalty to the company beyond making his next paycheck.  
    He does not give a sh*t.  He has no ownership in the company.  He knows he is more likely than not to be canned either because he doesn't make his quota or the creditor takes the files back to give them to someone else.  
    He is likely in almost as bad a situation, financially, as you are.

    As the debtor, you are in the powerful position.

    You're the guy writing the checks.  (Or, as a relative used to say in tiffs with his kids over what they were or were not allowed to do:  "I pay, I say.")

    You should not lie.  You don't need to.  You're in the power seat.
    If you can't make the payment, tell them that.
    If you're down to taking home food from office buffets and are lusting after left-over donuts, you don't have to tell him that;  just tell him you can't pay now but you'd like to when you can.  
    When he asks when you'll be able to pay, don't make a promise - that promise is a new contract.
    Tell him instead  "when I can".  
    When he asks when that will be, tell him honestly "I don't know."


    Excellent (none / 0) (#52)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:48:28 PM EST
    advice, scribe.

    It's a wonder to me (none / 0) (#48)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:29:31 PM EST
    why it's perfectly fine (in a purely "business sense," of course) for Big Business to walk away from their obligations, but God forbid that the "little guy" homeowner does the same thing.  I heard a commenter on NPR the other day who said that he had read that the reason that the mortgages were so messed up in their paperwork was that, when they started selling those odious mortgage-backed securities, they deliberately wanted to obfuscate the paperwork, given that many of the mortgages were total sh!t (no, he didn't sue that word), so that they could get a triple-A rating.  Don't know if that's true, but it wouldn't surprise me.

    It's not "you can think of it as" (none / 0) (#46)
    by scribe on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:25:30 PM EST
    it is a contract between you and the lender.

    You buy the house and post it as security (collateral) for the loan you took out to buy it.

    If you bought, say, a car and it was suddenly worth less than you owed on the loan for it, you might decide to turn it over to the loan company rather than continue to pay for it, and go out and get another whose value, price and amount owed were closer to each other.  Or you might decide to keep the car worth less than what was owed on the loan, figuring it was serving you for its transportation purpose.  That would be influenced, no doubt, by your perception of the risk of having to pay for the car if it were to be totaled.  If you have good insurance and don't have to worry about paying it off if it gets totaled, you might keep it.  If OTOH you had a legitimate worry about having to pay it off out of your own pocket you might dump it.

    Same goes for a house, save that it's a heck of a bigger pain to clean out and move all the stuff in your house, as opposed to the stuff in your car.  And getting into a new house is a bit more involved than a new car.


    Yes, it is (none / 0) (#49)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:32:45 PM EST
    Exactly.  A contract.  And it might well make more sense to turn the collateral back to the lender.  As you said, though, scribe, it's a much bigger deal to walk away from a house than it is a car.

    Just make sure... (none / 0) (#54)
    by kdog on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 06:11:22 PM EST
    all the i's and t's are dotted and crossed on your deed first...never know, might score one for the little guy.

    And once in awhile judges still forgive debt when the lender steps outta line.


    Evicted family moves back in (none / 0) (#56)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 06:33:19 PM EST
    SIMI VALLEY, Calif. (KABC) -- A battle over a foreclosed home is shaping up in Simi Valley.

    A family claims they were illegally evicted, and Saturday, they broke the locks and started moving back in even though the home has already been sold.

    Jim and Danielle Earl, along with their nine children ranging in age from 3 to 23, returned to their house of nine years on Mustang Drive.

    The family was evicted from their home in July after they fell behind on payments.
    Police arrived at the home Saturday but did not take action to make the family leave.


    Thats what I'm talking about... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 11:00:11 AM EST
    give 'em hell Earl family!

    Though I do kinda feel bad for the person who bought the joint, hope they don't a have a problem getting a full refund.


    Thought that you would (5.00 / 1) (#74)
    by MO Blue on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 11:28:01 AM EST
    appreciate the action taken by the Earl family.

    BTW, I think just this once you need to give a thumbs up to the police who took no action after they responded to the complaint.


    You're killing me MO!...:) (none / 0) (#75)
    by kdog on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 11:37:13 AM EST
    Allright...good job John Law.

    I remember reading about a sheriff's office or two refusing to go forward with evictions as well...hope that catches on and the sheriffs remember who they are paid to serve and protect...it ain't some bank outside their jurisdiction, it's their neighbors.


    TL wrote several times about a Judge in TX (none / 0) (#2)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:07:00 PM EST
    who refused to accept an after-hours request for a stay of execution.

    J's last thread on this is here.

    The final verdict on the judge is Reprimand tossed for 'We close at 5' Texas judge.

    in Texas, mainly Dallas, that this kind of conduct wouldn't happen or be tolerated. How many people remain in prison because of "technicalities"?

    Someone is definitely on drugs (none / 0) (#5)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:23:09 PM EST
    Don't think it is the "Professional Left."

    So I'm hoping that with more seats, the Republicans will feel a greater sense of responsibility to work with us to solve some of these problems," he said.

    So saith Axelrod on "Face The Nation."

    AxelROVE ought to be ought the door (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:39:40 PM EST
    with Rahm Emanuel and Larry Summers and other fools who have misguided Obama so badly -- and disserved the middle class so much, ruining this country for at least a decade to come.

    Aarghhh, cx: out the door (5.00 / 0) (#22)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:11:36 PM EST
    These guys get me so made that I can't type straight.

    U.S District Judge (none / 0) (#9)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:49:35 PM EST
    Virginia A. Phillips has blocked enforcement of DADT:
    A federal judge has blocked enforcement of "don't ask, don't tell" and has instructed the Defense Department immediately to "suspend and discontinue any investigation, or discharge, separation, or other proceeding" related to the policy.

    It will be interesting to see if the Department of Justice appeals this ruling.  I hope they don't, but frankly, I'm not holding my breath.

    You definitely type faster than I do (none / 0) (#11)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:59:11 PM EST
    Oh well, we can just put it in the category of "great minds think alike" or good news should be repeated.  

    I'll just (none / 0) (#23)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:11:54 PM EST
    put it in the "great minds think alike" category (and thank you to my high school typing teacher).  ;-)

    it could be what (none / 0) (#13)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:00:57 PM EST
    Obama has been waiting for.  it take the responsibility away from him.  all he has to do is nothing.

    you are right, it will be interesting to see if they, in fact, do nothing.


    Oh, they'll appeal it (none / 0) (#19)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:06:38 PM EST
    Unfortunately, they take very seriously the, um, obligation to defend Congressional lawmaking at the Justice Department.

    The DOJ (none / 0) (#30)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:43:57 PM EST
    has sixty days to appeal the ruling.  Let's see if they wait until before or after the mid-term elections to do so, if they appeal, which, frankly, I believe they will.  But they may well wait until after the election.  

    Yes, it is a sure thing, in my view, (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by KeysDan on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 06:29:23 PM EST
    that Obama's DOJ will appeal.  After all, nothing should be decided by the Courts, this must wend its way through the legislative process and then get the approval of all the old generals, other members of the military and, of course, their families. Also, God is in the mix so we will need to ask for some Divine intercession with its spirituality more likely to move at a quicker pace than the temporal intercession of the Pentagon.  

    The only real question is the timing, before or after the election--if not until after, Obama might be able, at once, to continue to toy with the hopes of those concerned with equality and keep McCain and his ilk at bay --if after, see above, coupled with continued fierce advocacy as the next election cycle nears.


    Oh, definitely before (none / 0) (#68)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 12:47:22 AM EST
    the election.  Everything is yet another opportunity for a "Sister Souljah" moment for him to demonstrate to those precious independents how much he's not kowtowing to "special interest groups," doncha know.

    Waiting until after the elections (none / 0) (#31)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:48:18 PM EST
    would be the smart thing to do but would not go well with their current "kick the base" strategy.

    Definitely (none / 0) (#35)
    by Zorba on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:55:52 PM EST
    It will be fascinating to see what happens here.  I am reminded of the ancient Chinese curse:  "May you live in interesting times."

    U.S. District Judge Virginia Phillips (none / 0) (#10)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 03:57:17 PM EST
    issued an injunction against enforcement of DADT today.

    PERMANENTLY ENJOINS Defendants United States of America and the Secretary of Defense, their agents, servants, officers, employees, and attorneys, and all persons acting in participation or concert with them or under their direction or command, from enforcing or applying the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Act and implementing regulations, against any person under their jurisdiction or command;

    ORDERS Defendants United States of America and the Secretary of Defense immediately to suspend and discontinue any investigation, or discharge, separation, or other proceeding, that may have been commenced under the "Don't Ask, Don't Tell" Act, or pursuant to 10 U.S.C. § 654 or its implementing regulations, on or prior to the date of this Judgment.

    A copy of the full order can be found here.

    A potential stay from the Ninth Circuit and then the issue of appeal, should the DOJ choose to do so (they have 60 days to do so) could delay or overturn this riling. OpenLeft

    its your move (none / 0) (#16)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:04:08 PM EST

    Oh my lord (none / 0) (#15)
    by lilburro on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:03:44 PM EST
    I'm not a Halloween buff or anything so perhaps people already know about this.  But the Jack O' Latern was originally at times carved from other things, like turnips.  And such versions of the Halloween favorite are. truly. TERRIFYING.


    thats (none / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:04:59 PM EST

    You would get along great (none / 0) (#21)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:10:01 PM EST
    with one of my friends. You both share the same view of what is "awsum." ;o)

    I wonder if its (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:17:32 PM EST
    big enough to see from the curb?
    have to be a hefty turnip

    Probably meant to be more intimate (none / 0) (#27)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:25:34 PM EST
    Something that you can carry with you during the day and evening. </snark>

    Aaron Sorkin (none / 0) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:27:08 PM EST
    responds to charges of sexism in "The Social Network"

    With a 9.1 out of 10 average rating on Rotten Tomatoes and a 95 out of 10 score on Metacritic, The Social Network is without debate the best reviewed movie of 2010 so far.
    Criticisms have been lobbied against the film over its supposed veracity, as well as its portrayal (or lack thereof) of social networking itself. Others, meanwhile, are less than thrilled by its depiction of women.
    Screenwriter Aaron Sorkin has been dismissive of most of these criticisms--all except one.

    Happened upon that in Ken Levine's (none / 0) (#32)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:51:36 PM EST
    blog yesterday, a regular read of mine. Seems to me Sorkin  was selective about when he chose to portray people truthfully and when not, as is he prerogative as a writer. I can speak from experience that there is not s a lot of respect for women in the high tech world.  Not as bad as it used to be - I for one have had to do product demos where the lunch was served by Hooters waitresses. So I  believe he portrayed that world accurately.

    Sometimes life has a sexist bias.  


    true (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:01:04 PM EST
    about the tech world.  I just succeeded in getting a black woman hired as my co lighter on the new project which I am happy about because there are almost no black persons or women in this company.

    I am not used to being in such a homogeneous environment. it buggs me.



    Nor is there (none / 0) (#70)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Oct 13, 2010 at 12:53:37 AM EST
    much respect for women in the wretched Harvard "final clubs" much of this apparently takes place in.  Harvard hasn't allowed fraternities since pretty much forever, but the entitled privileged sons of entitled privileged Masters of the Universe can't survive without, so they have their small number of tiny off-campus private men's "dining clubs" to soothe their egos.  Ridiculous people, all of them.

    Btw, look for Stephen Colbert's (none / 0) (#34)
    by ruffian on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 04:55:27 PM EST
    Interview with Sorkin on colbertnatio.com. priceless. There was enough kilowatts of brain power, talent, and charm at that table to light NYC.

    Female Character Taxonomy (none / 0) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:05:08 PM EST
    you can zoom in to read the labels

    Obviously, this chart in no way applies that there aren't male stereotypes out there in the pop culture ether.  There are.  Obviously. But it seems like Hollywood has a significantly harder time writing non-stereotypical female characters than male ones, so I made this chart to help out.

    According to this report (none / 0) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:02:02 PM EST
    the first miner could be brought up soon.

    "We made a promise to never surrender, and we kept it," Pinera said at about 5:45 p.m. local time (4:45 p.m. EDT), shortly before two rescue workers were expected to go down to prepare the miners for their trip. The president said the first miner will be brought up about two hours later. AP

    Local time in Chili is 7:00 p.m. CT here is 5:00 p.m.

    1st rescue worker lower (none / 0) (#60)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 09:26:13 PM EST
    in the capsule. Looked like a really tight squeeze.  God after all this time and all that the miners and their families have gone thought, hope that all goes well with this rescue effort. Wish I was proficient in Spanish so that I could understand what people at the sight were saying.  

    Rescue worker (none / 0) (#61)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 09:45:17 PM EST
    reached the miners safe and sound.

    1st miner on his way up to the top (none / 0) (#62)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 09:58:58 PM EST
    Safe journey

    1st miner, Florencio Avalos, reached top (none / 0) (#63)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 10:18:54 PM EST
    and was united with his wife and son. Great and joyous event. Taken to temporary infirmary. Second rescue worker is preparing to go down.  

    Second miner safely aboveground (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by Cream City on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 11:30:54 PM EST
    -- named Mario Sepulveda, a real character who brought up a bag of rocks, fool's gold, and handed them out and about to the mucketymucks like the Chilean president.  Then Sepulveda eluded immediate removal to the triage area, instead racing over to the crowd to lead it in Chile's favorite cheer.

    He was a hoot, a contrast to the first one up who was so poignantly greeted by his young son.

    Looks like each one of these rescues, almost three dozen, each is going to be a different event.  After all, these guys have had months to plan this!


    Mario was definitely a hoot. (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by MO Blue on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 11:45:16 PM EST
    Loved him giving all the big wigs rocks from the mine. He was so revved up. It was great to see.

    Per news reports, Avalos, the first miner to reach the surface has been so shy that he volunteered to handle the camera rescuers sent down so he wouldn't have to appear on the videos that the miners sent up.

    Now just have to get them all up safely.

    Good news is definitely needed in this chaotic world of ours.


    "I dont think we can sit here . . . (none / 0) (#45)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 05:24:19 PM EST
    . . . and judge that today".

    well actually Rich, we can.

    Anderson Cooper Grills Rich Iott On Nazi Reenacting

    Anyone else experiencing TL (none / 0) (#53)
    by Joan in VA on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 06:10:27 PM EST
    a little differently lately? I'm seeing a gray background with comments in white boxes (except for the subject line). Sorta hard to follow since the subject line blends with the background. I haven't changed anything that I know of and the front page is unchanged.

    That happened to me a while back to. (none / 0) (#57)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 07:24:22 PM EST
    It seems some part of the page (ads, probably) were hung up and not loading completely, which caused the problem. My problem went away by the next day...

    Paladino apologizes (none / 0) (#64)
    by Yman on Tue Oct 12, 2010 at 10:30:20 PM EST
    Well, ...

    ... sort of ...