Comparison Of The House And Senate Health Bills

It is not really important anymore, as the Senate bill will be the final product, but Ezra Klein touts this comparison of the House and Senate health bills.

The House bill is superior in almost every way. Of course that means that the Senate bill will be the final product.

I'll make this an open thread to allow discussion of more relevant issues.

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    This one is for kdog... (5.00 / 3) (#2)
    by lilburro on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 12:28:47 PM EST
    North Carolina just passed a smoking ban which unfortunately does not have an exemption for hookah bars.  But this bar, The Juggling Gypsy, found a really, really funny loophole and can stay in business...watch the video, it has a pretty funny line from the reporter in the end.  News Link

    God Save The Juggling Gypsy! (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 05:09:21 PM EST
    I absolutely love and admire the creativity...restores my faith in the free will of human beings always finding a way to beat the tyrants and their bullsh*t laws.  It is such a  beautiful thing to witness.

    Love it when those charged with the enforcement of such nonsense are left speechless too...thanks for the smile lilburro!  


    That is terrific (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 12:35:24 PM EST
    OMG, the things my friends and I would have done on that live webcam in my youth....and that is before nudity would even become involved.  We'd go through at least three years of things to do on the webcam before anyone even needed to lose a stitch.

    I know (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by lilburro on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 12:38:22 PM EST
    I thought to myself hmm, maybe other bars can do the same thing...but I'm not exactly sure I'd like to be filmed when I'm at my favorite watering holes.  :P

    Anyway people in North Carolina are pissed about the ban.  A quote from a cold outdoor smoker this weekend:  "We need to start a rebellion!  This is the tobacco state g!ddamnit!"


    Oh Ezra (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by lilburro on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 12:35:19 PM EST
    my favorite part is the title of the article which insinuates that the bills are practically the same.  You could just as easily say "Only 1 page in common."  eyeroll

    Good customer service story (5.00 / 2) (#12)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:11:50 PM EST
    Suntan lotion caused the case I use for my iPhone (the Incase Slider) to peel its protective coating. And even though the case is more than a year old, Incase is replacing it for free.

    Aside from the peeling, I have found the slider to be a great protective case.

    Did you promise to say nice things here? (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:13:59 PM EST
    heh (none / 0) (#16)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:37:59 PM EST
    Gotta get paid to shill somewhere, right?

    As a customer service guy... (none / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 05:14:13 PM EST
    I'm curious...did you have to beg and plead or did they offer the replacement right up?

    Right up (none / 0) (#47)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 07:44:01 PM EST
    No questions asked.

    Thanks... (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by kdog on Wed Jan 06, 2010 at 08:24:52 AM EST
    they've got a wise liberal warranty policy.

    Some of the outfits my outfit represents tell the low level schmucks to try and deny every warranty claim or request for no charge replacement...only to ok it at the managerial level upon a lot of pissin' and moanin' by the customer...what a stupid way to do business.  Penny wise pound foolish.


    Is it possible Bristol Palin is starting (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:30:40 PM EST
    a political consulting firm?  (See Huff Post.)

    Just another episode (5.00 / 3) (#18)
    by Zorba on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:59:25 PM EST
    in the continuing saga of "You can't make this stuff up."  And she's an "ambassador" for an abstinence-only organization?  LOL!

    I will not go read this (none / 0) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 02:30:14 PM EST
    It cannot be possible.  On second thought sure it can since the Bush twins came up with inviting people to "R" the party......which was the invite for one of their parties that Kid Rock played at.  Nothing of substance but God that was catchy.

    God I hate BTD sometimes (5.00 / 1) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 02:47:20 PM EST
    Now I find myself checking in at Booman again.  And Booman has a post up about how horrible it is that Brit Hume called Buddhism an inadequate faith or something like that.  Buddha help me because guess what?  Buddhists don't care what Brit Hume says about Buddhism.  It is a path, it isn't who I am.  Buddhists don't care that the Taliban destroyed Buddhas either, because nothing lasts forever and we accept that.  We accept that Brit Hume does not understand the faith or the path and we still love him and someday he may need someone to explain the faith and the path to him when Republican ideology causes his noodle to implode :)  The one news report that came along ages ago that totally cracked me up was the one where the little boy destroyed the sand mandala that monks were working on by running through and messing it up with his feet.  The news report went into great detail to educate the populace about how the monks grind the sand and meticulously lay out every line in a virtual perfection.  The news report did not tell Americans though that when this mandala was finished that it would be destroyed to acknowledge and even celebrate that all things go away.  It was kind of cool to me that a little kid decided to help out early :)

    The Brit Hume story has been everywhere - (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Anne on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 03:54:56 PM EST
    you didn't need to go to Booman to read about it.

    My take on it was, if Brit-Hume-the-person wants to give ol' Tiger a jingle or a tweet, on his own time where I don't have to hear about it, to advise him which religion Hume believes is better for redemption and forgiveness, he's welcome to do so.  

    But when Brit-Hume-the-Fox-News-guy decides he needs to do it in public, over the air, that's out of line - I don't care how little the Buddhists would or did care about it - it was offensive.  And a measure of how offensive it was was the reaction of the rest of the panel, who looked like they were auditioning for SouthWest Air's "Wanna Get Away?" campaign.

    To make matters worse, he went on O'Reilly's show and gave more justification for why he said what he did.  Do I doubt that Brit feels bad for Tiger?  No - but send Tiger a Hallmark card to express your concern over his soul, and spare the rest of us the preaching and moralizing.


    I can't help but find (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 05:14:53 PM EST
    it comical.  I watched the Daily Show last night do a spoof panel on what religions were superior when seeking redemption.  As far as Buddhism goes though I doubt that Brit understands the concept of karma or how a Buddhist could instantly understand that karma sometimes weilds a golf club ;)

    I was going to link you to that piece (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 08:09:46 PM EST
    I am so glad those guys are back on! Maybe that is why I have been in a funk.

    I doubt (none / 0) (#30)
    by lentinel on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 04:09:36 PM EST
    that Hume has any compassion whatsoever - for Tiger or anybody else.

    From the look on his face (none / 0) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 07:59:07 PM EST
    when he did that piece of sermonizing I don't think he even has compassion for himself :)

    YES - he looked horrible, didn't he? (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 08:13:02 PM EST
    His Christianity certainly does not seem to be helping him much.

    If I were Tiger I would put out a statement to the effect of "I have deserved and accepted the public disapproval, loss of sponsors, and jokes. But I do not have to accept being lectured to on religion by Brit Hume or anyone else."


    Brit Hume looked like he is (none / 0) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 08:15:11 PM EST
    polishing his inner cancer or something.

    Can someone please BANHAMMER (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 03:18:05 PM EST
    this radeneletz spam troll?

    Much obligied.  

    Dorgan to retire from Senate (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:06:26 PM EST
    Today, Senator Byron Dorgan announced that he will not run for re-election later this year. Apparently, this was unexpected. I certainly had not heard or read of this possibility.

    This is a loss for the dwindling progressive faction in the Senate. Can the Dems hang on to this seat? Will Earl Pomeroy run? Can he win?

    Dorgan's bill to allow reimportation of drugs was just recently defeated in the Senate, defeated by  Democrats led by Dick Durbin. I wonder if that was the final straw for Dorgan.

    Link to NY Times story.

    Mary Daly, feminist scholar, has died (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:47:33 PM EST
    Mary Daly died yesterday at age 81. Daly was one of the most influential feminist scholars of the last century. I read her, everyone I know read her. Her contribution to feminist scholarship is huge.

    As far as I can tell there has been almost no coverage of this loss by the media. Sad.

    Must include h/t for Daly news (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 07:00:20 PM EST
    News of Mary Daly's death came to me via the good Dr. Violet Socks at Reclusive Leftist. I forgot to include that in the above post. My apologies.

    The woman of our own culture (none / 0) (#51)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 08:13:21 PM EST
    who dared to question whether God was actually male and probably largely birthed the "goddess" movement is not noted as she passes.  It is touched with saddness but we are far from done with her.  We will never be done with her, we will always find times when we must reach back as she taught that we will always have to guard against decay and the only way to do that is to move....have movement.  Her teaching that human creativity is actually the image of God affirmed everything that was wonderful and right about me.  

    The Boston Globe has (4.00 / 0) (#55)
    by itscookin on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 09:02:52 PM EST
    written an obituary.

    Best comments at that link (none / 0) (#54)
    by Cream City on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 08:32:35 PM EST
    must be getting a chuckle from the grave of the great Dr. Daly:

    Comment #1:  God bless Mary.

    Comment #2:  She does.


    The Times had an interactive version (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 12:25:56 PM EST
    k dog: what do you think? (none / 0) (#6)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 12:57:46 PM EST
    Two young men sentenced to 2 yrs. in state prison; convicted of residential burglary:  link

    Article does not indicate whether either of the two young men were armed and/or had prior criminal convictions. 2 yrs. is low term for residential burglary.

    The Ask Kdog Hour n/t (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by lilburro on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 12:59:50 PM EST
    Ha. I already know what he will say. (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:01:39 PM EST
    Does it begin (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by cawaltz on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:38:22 PM EST
    somewhere along the lines of we should not be caging people? ;)

    I kinda like that he has so much faith in the human species. It's endearing.


    Penal Code section re punishment: (none / 0) (#8)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:00:48 PM EST
    Mandatory min. 2 yrs. in state prison. (none / 0) (#10)
    by oculus on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:02:13 PM EST
    This may explain why CA state correctional facilities are overcrowded?

    I love dumb criminals! (none / 0) (#11)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:02:35 PM EST
    They are the best stories!

    "Fired several shots as they drove away" (none / 0) (#14)
    by MKS on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 01:14:25 PM EST
    Ever hear of ricochets killing bystanders.  Some stray bullets have penetrated homes and killed people sitting in their livingrooms.  And this is an FBI guy--but he is in Orange County.....

    As I stated earlier in the evening thread, the cops in my town draw their guns too quickly....

    The Orange County Register has not been all that kind to the cops.  Perhaps a surprise but not really given their Ron Paul libertarianism.  They published all the salaries of the Orange County Deptuy Sheriffs and found that over half make over $100,000 a year.  They wrote a front page article last week that lambasted the cops for their secrecy and basically advocated that the cops' disciplinary records be made public....

    And the DOJ keeps plodding along in its investigation.  They might take over the Sheriffs.  


    Good point... (none / 0) (#40)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:08:49 PM EST
    I could see if he wakes up and finds 2 dudes in his house and shoots them, I can call that justified...to shoot at 2 dudes running away ain't kosher...if thats what went down.

    That would be wild if disciplinary records were made public...what a great idea.


    First year law students (none / 0) (#41)
    by MKS on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:27:58 PM EST
    learn that you cannot use deadly force to protect property.  Most classes on torts discuss the case of a spring-loaded shotgun that was set up inside a hunting lodge that was abandoned....It was designed as a trap to shoot thieves....

    But with cops they can shoot fleeing suspects....here the kids were suspects fleeing after the commission of a violent crime--burglary....so they could be shot--even if the FBI agent was not in personal danger.  Not that it was wise or safe for everyone else on the street but the FBI agent was able to do it....

    Now these two young kids are going to prison where they will be in danger....


    2 years... (none / 0) (#35)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 05:23:18 PM EST
    is excessive, imo, based on the article alone.  Probation & some community service sounds like a better fit, especially if a first offense.  Sounds like knuckleheaded kids, like the punks that got me a few years back...not hardened violent criminals that give us no choice but the cage.

    Red Sox (none / 0) (#19)
    by CST on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 02:08:03 PM EST
    Getting Beltre????

    That would be cool.

    LOL... (none / 0) (#20)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 02:14:37 PM EST
    ...the comments over there are funny.  Yanquee v. Sahx fans--calling each other names.  And arguing over when the decade ended.  

    Good stuff!

    /What's wrong with Mike Lowell?


    Sport comments (none / 0) (#21)
    by CST on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 02:16:34 PM EST
    almost always revert back to that.

    Mike Lowell has been injured (more than Beltre), and his numbers aren't that good anymore, and he's 36.


    Well... (none / 0) (#23)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 02:31:41 PM EST
    ...I got to say that I saw Beltre up close and personal with the M's and didn't come away that impressed with him.  Servicable I guess, but I think his best days are behind him too.

    /wishes I were 36
    //Go O's!


    I'm not a fan of Andrew Sullivan, (none / 0) (#26)
    by Farmboy on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 03:19:40 PM EST
    but he raised a point today that I've been pondering as well. What was the real intent of the underpants bomber? If it was to blow up the plane, as alleged, then why didn't he bring the right amount of explosives? Plus, why return to his seat where he could be interfered with by other passengers? Why not stay in the bathroom?

    However, if his goal was terrorism, he more than succeeded. He has generated fear, division, and confusion. His act has had far greater consequences than the deaths of 200 people, horrific as that would have been.

    Well, if 200 people had died, the reaction (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by tigercourse on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 03:49:03 PM EST
    you are seeing now would be greatly magnified. So that theory doesn't make much sense.

    Sigh (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:45:51 PM EST
    He returned to his seat because his seat was directly over one of the fuel tanks.  Get it now?

    dog help me (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 08:17:50 PM EST
    if he had not meant to blow up the plane and himself, I kind of think the explosives would not have been anywhere near his genitals.

    Umm, I thought he did have enough (none / 0) (#33)
    by nycstray on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 05:14:40 PM EST
    explosives, it was setting them off that was the problem . . . .

    The explosive is apparently (none / 0) (#42)
    by MKS on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:41:20 PM EST
    very hard to detonate....Someone said (somewhere) that a reliable detonation device would had to have been metalic, and thus would have never gotten through the metal detectors.....

    So, the undewear bomber had no chance of actually detonating a bomb??  

    But for sure, the passengers didn't save the day.  The underwear bomber had already tried to detonate it and he just caught fire instead when the passengers subdued him.  If the bomb had detonated, the passengers would not have known what hit them....But I guess they still were preventing the guy from trying again or something else or the fire from spreading...


    The Burj Khalifa... (none / 0) (#27)
    by desertswine on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 03:24:23 PM EST
    Senate bill (none / 0) (#36)
    by s5 on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 05:38:42 PM EST
    It's superior in two ways: on abortion, the Nelson language is the lesser evil over the Stupak language, and the Senate bill has some of the Wyden amendment in there. Both are major. I'm also not convinced that a national exchange is better than state exchanges if there's an OPM exchange, especially if the state exchanges would allow individual states to pass single payer or protect abortion rights.

    On subsidies, Medicaid and the implementation date (and obviously the public option), the House bill is clearly better.

    Did I miss it, or (none / 0) (#37)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 05:47:41 PM EST
    Isn't the upcoming Supreme Court hearing, "American Needle Inc. v. NFL" of any interest here on the beta "Sports Left?"

    Ya missed it... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:04:59 PM EST
    right here bro.

    gotcha, thanks (none / 0) (#45)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jan 05, 2010 at 06:56:50 PM EST
    p.s......don't get old.