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    kdog will love this one (none / 0) (#1)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:31:17 AM EST
    Unreal... (none / 0) (#2)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:33:39 AM EST
    'gang activity'...lol.  

    Do the authorities realize who your average D&D player is?  Think Gilbert & Louis...not MS13.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#3)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:34:40 AM EST
    they don't want a bunch of nerd gangs getting crazy?

    (apologies to all who love and play D&D)  :)


    I guess... (none / 0) (#4)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:40:27 AM EST
    they did get the Alpha Betas and Delta Pis but good over at Adams.

    Apologies to the guy in the cage for mocking his situation...D&D is probably the only thing he's got.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#5)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:45:53 AM EST
    He can start a "nerd-murderers" support group.

    Oddly enough (none / 0) (#59)
    by Zorba on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:15:05 PM EST
    The Israel Defense Forces discriminate against role-players, giving the players low security clearances, sending them for psychological help, or even outright kicking them out of the IDF.  (OTOH, this might be a good way of getting out of their army obligation in Israel.......)

    It might also be because (none / 0) (#77)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:49:08 PM EST
    role players wind up being too empathetic to the other tribe -- and we cant have THAT.

    70% (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:47:28 AM EST
    of those asked in a CNN poll are glad the Dems don't have a 60 vote supermajority.

    A CNN/Opinion Research Corporation survey released Monday also indicates that 7 in 10 Americans believe that the Democrats' loss of their 60 seat supermajority in the Senate is a positive move for the country.

    Forty-five percent of people questioned in the poll said Democratic control of Congress is a good thing, with 48 percent disagreeing. The margin is within the survey's sampling error. But the results are a shift from last June, when 50 percent felt that Democratic control of both chambers of Congress was good and 41 percent felt it was bad for the country.

    More for kdog (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:53:55 AM EST
    Some Republican probably (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:20:36 AM EST
    has a dispensary franchise and now he wants to get rid of the competition in order to keep the prices up :)

    Just the news.... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:07:40 AM EST
    an old-fashioned outlaw bush doctor needs...the legal dispensaries must be killing the black market reefer man out in Cali, one would think.

    Germany just kicked in 500 (none / 0) (#8)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:03:03 AM EST
    more troops for Afghanistan.  Not huge, but Germany was having a very difficult time staying onboard at all a few months back.  This is a shift.

    I heard this on the radio taking (none / 0) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:19:17 AM EST
    Joshua to school and I refused to believe it until I could look it up myself.  Of the ten most popular television personalities in 2010, Oprah is predictably #1.  Glenn Beck is #2.

    And (none / 0) (#12)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:09:11 AM EST
    Ayn Rand books are more popular than ever.  All scary, including Oprah's popularity.  

    I don't mind Oprah popularity (none / 0) (#15)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:37:29 AM EST
    I haven't watched anything of hers in ages.  She has never approached topics from only one perspective though, seems to seek healthy solutions....or as healthy as they can be.  I have no idea what the fascination is with Beck except that he seems to do a sort of faux teaching or instructing with bulletin boards and visual aids of propaganda along with tears.  I don't mind Ayn Rand so much as how people want to use Ayn Rand's works (often fictional) to support their own notions.  Lefties can use a lot of Ayn Rand's works to support their beliefs and theories.  Rand is correct about markets correcting themselves.  Wall Street destroyed itself and its investment stream until it proves to people again that it is ethical.

    I plan on watching her (none / 0) (#19)
    by nycstray on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:48:29 AM EST
    tomorrow as she's having M Pollan on to discuss food and grocery shopping :)

    Pollan's approach to Junk Food is great (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:16:27 AM EST
    Have whatever takeout/junk you like ... as long as you make it yourself. It will wind up being healthier anyway, and because of the personal commitment required, the approach has a built-in regulator.

    Buh-bye, KFC, take care, Taco Bell.

    Word of warning: if you like chips, don't let anyone else know it's possible to make excellent ones at home in about 10 mins.

    You don't even need a fancy schmantzy mandolin, either. The side of an old-school box grater for cheese works great. (A small spud makes two snack-bags.)

    Even corn Cheetohs with phosphorescent neon cheese are a snap if your local bulk place sells the dust.


    I like it when she does shows (none / 0) (#30)
    by nycstray on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:33:42 AM EST
    like this because her audience is so large {grin} She did one showing how factory farmed chickens and pigs lived. I like to tune in partly as a show of support.

    I bought a bag of spicy carrot chips the other day to try them out. Kinda like Dorritos only better, I think when I make them I'll adjust the spice a bit though, make it smokier. I think I'll be making various veggie chips this year. My dog went absolutely nuts over the carrot chips, lol!~ I like snacks we can share ;)


    I learned the hard way to keep Chips a secret (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:48:54 AM EST
    ... just for me & Husb. as a side to club sammys or other Deli/Diner stuff.

    The secret got out, so the line of nephews &or other guests has forced me end the process when everyone's got a "bag", or I'd be there all day and we'd all be huge.

    Greatest hits:

    Sweet potato (or yam) chips sprinkled with a bit of ginger, salt and black pepper.

    Shrimp crackers with black sesame seeds.


    Mmmm. Sounds better (none / 0) (#66)
    by Cream City on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 04:21:58 PM EST
    than the healthy, low-cal and high-protein soy chips at Trader Joe's.  Not bad but not great.  

    Calorie-wise, heart-smart and more delicious (none / 0) (#73)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 08:53:53 PM EST
    Everybody wins. The satisfaction element virtually eliminates the kind of cravings that create compensation eating late in the day, as does the way the body absorbs nutrients.

    Just don't tell any nephews or they turn into wacky YouTube bears.


    Ayn Rand's (none / 0) (#20)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:51:37 AM EST
    "fictional" works are actually propaganda pieces.

    And she isn't right about anything.  Hers are ridiculously simplistic ideas.


    An Ayn Rand phase during the Invincible Years (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:58:35 AM EST
    ... of the tweens is almost unavoidable. Then the real world hits.

    Or Buddhist (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:02:28 AM EST
    ideas, everything ends :) I think it is bad policy to allow Wall Street to blow up the world with itself too.  But people do learn a thing or two then :)

    I think she nailed this one.... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:15:31 AM EST
    right on the head myself....

    The only power any government has is the power to crack down on criminals. Well, when there aren't enough criminals, one makes them. One declares so many things to be a crime that it becomes impossible for men to live without breaking laws.

    If that ain't the f*ckin' truth I don't know what is.

    That being said, yeah, she was batsh*t....everybody who takes a particular philosophy to the extremes is...we gotta borrow from 'em all to reach our full potential...even Crazy Ayn's.  


    I almost have a sneaking suspician (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:31:31 AM EST
    that she was a deep cover Soviet agent, kinda like the main character in Vonnegut's Mother Night.

    What more perfect cover could there be than a highly vocal public intellectual who elevates capitalism to the level of a religion?

    Basically she was a Nietzschean who substituted the pursuit of lucre for spirituality.


    Hah! She would have loved that glamorous (none / 0) (#32)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:58:11 AM EST
    ... suspicion, no doubt, kind of like those aspiring spooks who want the freedom to be up on everyone else's biz, but the law to be applied hard on the "little people".

    Except I've met lots of Russians (none / 0) (#33)
    by observed on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:59:37 AM EST
    like that.

    Interesting theory.... (none / 0) (#38)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 12:48:00 PM EST
    but I doubt the Soviets would be down with the way she absolutely skewered bloated big government bueracracy and cronyism...unless she just went "rogue" on 'em:)

    I found this piece about immigrants esp. poignant (none / 0) (#28)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:28:59 AM EST
    ... not only because of the current vilification of undocumented workers, but also the rush for media to portray desperate Haitians as looters when they were taking water and food from stores while awaiting aid.

    Note the passage that I bolded.

    Italy's African Heroes By ROBERTO SAVIANO, NYTimes January 24, 2010

    Naples, Italy

    WHEN I was a teenager here, kids used to shoot dogs in the head. It was a way of gaining confidence with a gun, of venting your rage on another living creature. Now it seems human beings are used for target practice.

    This month, rioting by African immigrants broke out in Rosarno, in southern Italy, after at least one immigrant was shot with an air rifle. The riots were widely portrayed as clashes between immigrants and native Italians, but they were really a revolt against the 'Ndrangheta, the powerful Calabrian mafia. Anyone who seeks to negate or to minimize this motive is not familiar with these places where everything -- jobs, wages, housing -- is controlled by criminal organizations.

    The episode in Rosarno was the second such uprising against organized crime in Italy in the last few years. The first took place in 2008 in Castel Volturno, a town near Naples, where hit men from the local mob, the Camorra, killed six Africans. The massacre was intended to intimidate, but it set off the immigrants' anger instead.

    In Castel Volturno, the immigrants work in construction. In Rosarno, they pick oranges. But in both places the mafias control all economic activity. And the only ones who've had the courage to rebel against them are the Africans.

    An immigrant who lands in France or Britain knows he'll have to abide by the law, but he also knows he'll have real and tangible rights. That's not how it is in Italy, where bureaucracy and corruption make it seem as if the only guarantees are prohibitions and mafia rule, under which rights are nonexistent. [...] It's a mistake to view the Rosarno rioters as criminals. The Rosarno riots were not about attacking the law, but about gaining access to the law.

    Sounds a little like the way (none / 0) (#34)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 12:14:18 PM EST
    the Czar used to use the Cossacks to keep the Jews scapegoated and "in line" in Russia back in the day.

    Keep the house divided against itself while the thugs in power vow to restore order, dignity and a return to "traditional values".


    Which sounds a little like... (none / 0) (#39)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 12:53:44 PM EST
    the anti-union fervor we've got poppin'..."yeah, its all the guy whose just like you with an extra bone on his plate's fault...get 'em!"

    That German guy did it too with Bolsheviks (none / 0) (#40)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 12:59:33 PM EST
    ... but people weren't in a lather enough until he grafted Jewish characteristics onto the menace.

    If the heinous inhumanity isn't bad enough, the purgative, paranoid "enemy within" model is built to fail: it's like a genocidal Fight Club.

    (Is SportsLeft taking bets on when Lou Dobbs runs for office on an "Anti-Drugs" platform that grafts Mexican or Afghan features on drug dealers?)


    Rand novels are horrendous, longer bodice-rippers (none / 0) (#44)
    by Ellie on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:10:39 PM EST
    It's all fun and games until someone loses a capelette.

    (The Fountainhead movie is still a hoot. Did you catch the size of Gary Cooper's drill?)


    Huge bodice rippers (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:56:05 PM EST
    Jesus Cripes, Dagny Taggart...work work work work in a pencil skirt and heels, pencil and heels with always the rooms full of intense sexual tension.  Not only did I need to get seriously laid for myself after finishing that book, I think I spent a month getting laid for Dagny too.

    Thats what Ayn said at the time (none / 0) (#45)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:15:15 PM EST
    Sorry. The socialist-statists made me do it.

    I really... (none / 0) (#48)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:22:24 PM EST
    liked "Anthem"...but I guess thats technically a novella.

    Tried to fight through Atlas but gave up...editing certainly wasn't her strong suit.


    Wasnt there a mini-controversy (none / 0) (#51)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:35:35 PM EST
    a while back concerning some banker (in Georgia?) who was promising to pledge sizable grants to universities if they included courses on the works of Rand in their curriculum?

    Talk about money as speech.


    If that's market destruction (none / 0) (#37)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 12:48:00 PM EST
    I could use a little of it myself.

    I tried to read Rand once (none / 0) (#67)
    by Jen M on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 06:23:32 PM EST
    some book about a whiny architect who was all ahoo because people paid him to design what they wanted.

    I stopped reading after a few chapters.

    Whiny artists are boring.


    its come to this (none / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:05:18 AM EST
    Indonesian authorities said Monday they are considering a petition to tear down a statue of US President Barack Obama as a boy, only a month after the bronze was unveiled in Jakarta.

    The statue of "Little Barry" -- as Obama was known when he lived in the capital in the late 1960s -- stands in central Jakarta's Menteng Park, a short walk from the US president's former elementary school.

    Members of the "Take Down the Barack Obama Statue in Menteng Park" group on Facebook say Obama has done nothing for Indonesia.

    Weeelllll (none / 0) (#13)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:19:10 AM EST
    How about all those schools that changed their name to "Barack Obama Elementary School"?

    Many thought that was a bad idea to start that before he did anything (of course, we thought that about the Nobel Peace Prize too....)


    I knew you would respond to that (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:30:57 AM EST
    I must be psychic.   thats the only explanation.

    Got the lottery numbers? (none / 0) (#18)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:45:46 AM EST
    Ouch (none / 0) (#16)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:40:43 AM EST
    Relatives and friends erected it, and Obama hadn't even been President for a year yet?  And we wonder why the people of Jakarta might be upset?  Kook-aid trumps basic common sense again.

    Oops....kool-aid (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:41:26 AM EST
    but maybe kook-aid is more fitting these days.

    you were right (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:01:03 PM EST
    the first time

    The least Obama could do (none / 0) (#21)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:54:19 AM EST
    is allow the CIA to get back to targeting Indonesian enemies of the state the way they did in the sixties.

    You'd think that's one of the first things he would've done, when you consider that he's the first Democrat to kow-tow to the realpolitik warmongers.


    Make way for Senator Rubio (none / 0) (#23)
    by andgarden on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:00:57 AM EST
    President Rubio would be my bet. (none / 0) (#50)
    by tigercourse on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:33:31 PM EST
    My life is owned by corporations. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 12:16:50 PM EST
    Not a good feeling.

    Our material lives... (5.00 / 1) (#43)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:03:28 PM EST
    perhaps, but they can never get your soul unless you let 'em...so we got that goin' for us:)

    Ha! (none / 0) (#36)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 12:36:09 PM EST
    one of my dogs (none / 0) (#42)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:02:17 PM EST
    managed to rip one of her toenails out by the roots last night.  it was a little frightening.  there was blood everywhere.
    but she didnt seem very phased by it.  she was not even limping this morning.


    Keep an eye on it - keep it clean (none / 0) (#54)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:57:16 PM EST
    I think infection is the worst danger there. Might want to get her some antibiotics from the vet. Other than that, she will probably be just fine.

    Was it a dewclaw? (none / 0) (#55)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:57:59 PM EST
    Or foot?

    And a squirt of nasal spray (none / 0) (#56)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:01:52 PM EST
    helps stop the bleeding or at least slow it down, then you can use some baking soday to encourage coagulation and hopefully have it stop all together.  Seems like it is so painful for them though.

    yeah (none / 0) (#58)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:15:03 PM EST
    the weird thing is that it didnt seem that painful for her.  she didnt want me to touch it but she was not limping at all.  even this morning.
    I have a big bottle of pain pills I have for Ghosts hip so I gave her one of those.
    it was hard for me to be late this morning so I thought I would take her to the vet tomorrow.

    I also sprayed some "bactine" on it.


    it was her left rear foot (none / 0) (#60)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:16:07 PM EST
    outside toe.
    she must have just been trying to take off really fast on the frozen ground or something.

    I forgot your dogs are Huskies (none / 0) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:29:37 PM EST
    I remembered when you posted about Ghost though.  They tend to have very tough feet, I suppose it is part of their breeding and work heritage.  German Shepherds tend to have pretty tough feet too, but I have one that has very sensitive feet and I have to sedate her to cut her nails.  Her quick grows way out though, and if I accidently nip it it bleeds terrible.  I thought that the nail was completely gone once on one of our dogs, and he is a tough dog.  Months later it grew out and returned though. We've lost dewclaws playing, those stay lost.

    That intrigues me. (none / 0) (#68)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 06:30:08 PM EST
    Our dane is pretty sensitive about cutting toenails, even after a year or so of trying to acclimate her.

    Do you sedate your dog, or does the vet? If you, with what? How? etc...


    The vet gives me what he (none / 0) (#69)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 06:42:41 PM EST
    gives people for their dogs when they are afraid of thunderstorms too, acepromazine.

    You have made my day! (5.00 / 2) (#71)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 06:57:22 PM EST
    My dog's toenails are like 2" long. Running with us 10, 15, 20 miles per week never seemed to wear her nails down much, if at all. Clickity clickity clickity all over the house all day long. Thanks!

    I used to have a golden who (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 08:55:50 AM EST
    was the sweetest thing you ever met until you tried to cut his toenails and he turned into a rabid wolverine.

    I would always have the vet do it and he would sedate him.  I dont know with what.


    Sarc, I would be careful (none / 0) (#83)
    by vml68 on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 09:55:22 AM EST
    using acepromazine on your dane.The larger breeds tend to be extremely sensitive to it.

    Capt Howdy, keep some styptic powder handy for dog nail bleeds. It stops the bleeding immediately.


    Thanks, I've been doing some research. (none / 0) (#84)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 12:11:54 PM EST
    A for Effort fellas... (none / 0) (#46)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:19:29 PM EST
    Union bar tries to get out of a serving alcoholic beverage to a minor charge with a novel defense...jello shots aren't a beverage, they are a solid.

    Needless to say the judge wasn't buying...but it makes sense to me, and I like how the fellas at the union bar think:)

    Makes sense to me (none / 0) (#47)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:22:15 PM EST
    Way back when when I worked in a little German specialty / butcher shop, we sold candy with brandy in it at Christmas time.  We couldn't sell them to minors, and it even said it right on the package.

    Not even on Christmas Eve? (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:52:26 PM EST
    I bet the kids were allowed to enjoy them back in the old country...in strict moderation & with parental consent of course.

    Nope (none / 0) (#63)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:31:35 PM EST
    Had to see proof of ID to sell it to them .  Now, if their parents gave it to them in the privacy of their home, that was a different thing.... (maybe it made them sleep a little longer on Christmas morn!)

    Here's what the righties are saying (none / 0) (#49)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 01:27:09 PM EST
    Byron York, on The Corner (my emphasis)

    I'm delighted by Obama's freeze. Not because it will make much difference in the federal budget, as has been ably pointed out by many in this space. But because Obama has given away important intellectual and political ground. It's not true that politicians can really "say anything." Spin has to have some connection to reality and a politician's case has to cohere. What Obama has just done is blow a huge hole in the argument for his own governance over the last year. If the economy is still weak but we can freeze discretionary spending anyway, it's much harder for him to argue that massive government spending is the predicate for economic growth in defense of the stimulus. And if the deficit is such a threat that he needs to swing around to supporting a spending freeze, it's much harder for him to continue to push for a new $1 trillion entitlement. He can try to square all this -- stimulus spending was necessary in the dire conditions of 2009, but less so now; the new $1 trillion health-care entitlement is actually a deficit-reduction measure -- but it's going to be very difficult. That's why I think the Krugman's and the Klein's are right to be dismayed by this, even if the actual dollar amount is small. It represents an important tilting of the political playing field to the right on these issues.

    So, they can see it, we here on this blog (and around the internets) are seeing it.  Why can't the WH?

    Exactly right (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:06:34 PM EST
    York nails it, and I don't say that often.

    And then there's (none / 0) (#61)
    by jbindc on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:21:17 PM EST
    this little gem:

    The federal stimulus program is funding roadway construction in many Massachusetts towns. But more than half of the companies that have received taxpayer dollars to perform the work have a history of breaking the law.

    According to an investigation by Boston University's New England Center for Investigative Reporting, more than half the companies given stimulus contracts have histories of defrauding taxpayers.


    But Aggregate [one of the largest producers of aggregate, asphalt and ready-mixed concrete in New England. But Aggregate Industries has a record of misconduct, and six of its former managers pleaded guilty or were convicted of defrauding the government and was awarded two stimulus contracts totaling $8.9 million for roadwork in the state.] isn't alone. The New England Center for Investigative Reporting found that 13 of the 21 companies that got federal transportation money have a history of misconduct. Aggregate is just one of the most glaring examples.

    Interesting court case... (none / 0) (#64)
    by kdog on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 02:41:12 PM EST
    involving some heavy issues of female bodily sovereignty.  Linkage

    My opinion, its an inalienable rights violation, no matter how well intentioned the doc and state may be, it paves a road to hell.  And I can back her up on Tally Memorial Hosp....worst healthcare experience in my limited life experience was in that joint.

    Adam Cartwright... (none / 0) (#65)
    by desertswine on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 03:44:50 PM EST
    (newser)The last surviving member of Bonanza's original cast has died of cancer at age 81. Pernell Roberts, who played the eldest Cartwright brother, left the show at the height of its popularity in 1965 to return to the stage after feuding with producers. He went on to star in M*A*SH spinoff Trapper John MD for seven seasons starting in 1979.

    The Georgia-born Korean war vet was a vocal supporter of the civil rights movement and marched with Martin Luther King in Selma, Alabama, the New York Daily News reports. Roberts, whose only child died in a motorcycle accident in 1989, is survived by his fourth wife, Eleanor Criswell.

    And, and... (none / 0) (#74)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:18:28 PM EST
    he gets busted with the son of the acting (Bush appointed) US Attorney for LA.  

    The fourth suspect, Robert Flanagan, the son of Shreveport-based acting U.S. Attorney Bill Flanagan, was not with them. It was not immediately known if he had already been released on the $10,000 bail set for each suspect.

    Bill Flanagan's office confirmed his son was among those arrested, but declined further comment.

    These boys are definitely Honor Students in the GOP School of Dirty Tricks.

    I fear that we must (ugh) follow Malkin (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by Cream City on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 11:02:45 PM EST
    on this and be careful about having it flung back at libruls.  I well recall the Dem Congresswoman's son and others who were convicted of breaking, entering, vandalizing a GOP campaign office, slashing tires of vehicles for GOP GOTV, etc. -- and on an election day, which makes it more egregious, as it meant that there were voters who did not get to the polls.

    And I have to say, in line with this blog's aim, that some of the teevee talk tonight about potential sentences for these new idjits seem to be 'way too much.  And especially as compared to the sentence that the Dem idjits got in the case above.


    I love Malkin's bit (none / 0) (#75)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:29:03 PM EST
    about "let this be a lesson for young conservatives interested in investigative journalism.." lol  

    What's the lesson? That however much you may consider the KGB tactics of Gordon Liddy and Howard Hunt heroic, you shouldnt bug peoples offices?

    What are the odds that these young brownshirts came up with the idea and means to pull off this caper all by themselves?

    I'm guessing... (none / 0) (#76)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:38:13 PM EST
    ...the lesson in Malkin's mind is don't get caught.  

    Im just wondering how Beck (none / 0) (#78)
    by jondee on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:30:03 PM EST
    is going to play this: pass over it altogether or go into an extended blubber about how these fine young Americans, who only want want to save this great nation of ours, misguidedly overstepped their bounds  (sniff,sniff)

    False flag operation? (none / 0) (#79)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 10:47:23 PM EST
    Those evil socioislamofascist liberals are awful tricky that way.  

    You're probably right though--when has Beck ever passed up a chance to turn the waterworks loose.  So concerned about this great nation, he is.  And his ratings, of course.


    It gets curiouser and curiouser.... (none / 0) (#82)
    by jbindc on Wed Jan 27, 2010 at 09:27:30 AM EST
    Shepard Fairey, the artist known for the Obama "Hope" poster, who has been in the middle of a copyright fight, is now under criminal investigation, but the details are not known.

    A judge permitted the disclosure for the first time Tuesday that the artist known for his Barack Obama "HOPE" image is under criminal investigation, though details of the probe were not divulged.

    U.S. District Judge Alvin K. Hellerstein mentioned the grand jury probe in a handwritten note denying a request by a lawyer for artist Shepard Fairey that a hearing relating to a copyright lawsuit they brought against The Associated Press be closed.

    Fairey sued the AP last February, asking a judge to declare that Fairey's artwork does not infringe any copyrights held by the AP. A month later, the AP countersued, saying the uncredited, uncompensated use of one of the news cooperative's photos violated copyright laws and signaled a threat to journalism.

    The U.S. Attorney's office had a grand jury begin an investigation after Fairey said he erred about which AP photo he used as the basis for "HOPE" and had submitted false images and deleted other images to conceal his mistake.

    Meir Feder, a lawyer for Fairey, asked for secrecy in a letter to the judge, arguing that a public hearing "would risk compromising the confidential nature of the criminal investigation."

    At the hearing, which was open to the public, Feder asked for a six-month delay in the civil case. He said Fairey had been instructed by his criminal lawyer to invoke the Fifth Amendment if asked questions at a deposition.

    Hellerstein denied the request, noting that "this whole thing's going to be wrapped up by the end of spring."