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    dont ask (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:09:47 AM EST
    cause he wont tell:

    Ask Obama About Don't Ask, Don't Tell

    As a candidate for president, Barack Obama told the country's leading gay rights group, the Human Rights Campaign, "America is ready to get rid of the Don't Ask, Don't Tell policy. All that is required is leadership." Now he is about to decide whether he will make good on his promise to end what he called a "policy of discrimination."

    His decision will come soon because Secretary of Defense Robert Gates and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Admiral Michael Mullen are set to testify at a hearing of the Senate Armed Services Committee on the policy--the first of its kind since the law was enacted in 1993.

    Most administration observers who follow this closely believe that the Pentagon has already signed off on supporting an end to Don't Ask, Don't Tell once the White House decides the timing is right. But Messrs. Gates and Mullen have yet to say so publicly. Their upcoming testimony is the result of pressure from New York Sen. Kirsten Gillibrand, a Democrat, who last year called for legislation that would have placed a moratorium on gay military discharges.

    Many question why the White House avoided dealing with Don't Ask, Don't Tell last year, when Democrats had big majorities in Congress and polls showed that a majority of Americans favor changing the policy. A Quinnipiac poll in April, for example, found that 56% of Americans support repealing the policy.

    A big part of the reason why the White House hesitated is fear of a backlash similar to the one suffered by President Bill Clinton in 1993 when he tried to allow gays to serve openly in the military.

    Yeah, there was backlash (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:24:57 AM EST
    but we got through it and socially we changed because we had no choice in that matter. And we no longer can say that we don't have gay soldiers or that gay people don't make good soldiers cuz ummmmm, with don't ask don't tell we are likely to have them serving and doing so up to standards right now :)  The worst of whatever backlash was out there though, Clinton ate that.  Someone should thank him and then get on with this!  The only backlash remaining will be a-hole officers afraid of their own homosexual tendencies.  And let them backlash, let them walk...they can easily be replaced at this point so don't let the door hit you in the a** on your way out.

    Considering that officers (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:28:49 AM EST
    are expected to not be unbecoming in social behavior or act slutty, I suppose they should begin to consider recognizing same sex marriages and dependent benefits too :)  Tell me that isn't a recruiting tool right there :)

    I guess one good thing is that Democrats (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by tigercourse on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:08:33 AM EST
    won't be able to blame gays for their complete meltdown. They didn't even do enough for them to make them a plausible scape goat.

    Could not do "DADT" (none / 0) (#21)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:44:31 AM EST
    because Obama needed to get a good health care bill through,  and it would have jeopardized bipartisanship legislation, so the story went at the time.  Also, we needed to get the OK from the generals because of that pesky "shower room" issue.  In my view, do not look for repeal, but a "bipartisan, level-headed, centrist"  change in the policy.  As Gates said, something a little more humane, I guess sort of like the good work the namesake Society has done for years.

    Which Generals do you get the "okay" (5.00 / 2) (#26)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:53:32 AM EST
    from? Every single one?  How many Generals are we talking here and shouldn't they have to turn in where they come in at on Kinsey scale with their approval or disapproval?  It's enought to make me crazy.  Obama is supposed to take advisement from his Generals.  Some of that advisement can get a bit exciting too, at the end of the day though the CIC tells the Generals what every single one of them is going to do.  The military isn't about doing what you want to do.  When that happens in the military then you get a total clusterfeck.  Why does it seem like the only thing Obama does well right now is make clusterfecks?

    Like nothing happens in or near the (none / 0) (#23)
    by observed on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:46:23 AM EST
    shower now! yeah right.

    when the WSJ opinion page (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:50:41 AM EST
    is calling on a Democratic president to stand up for gay rights the world is truly on its head.

    Apparently, the Senate Armed Services (none / 0) (#29)
    by KeysDan on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:58:42 AM EST
    hearing on DADT scheduled for this week is not scheduled after all.   (Americablog).

    Fortune Cookie FAIL (for me): (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:12:42 AM EST
    "You have a deep interest in all that is artistic."

    true story (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:16:09 AM EST
    years ago when I was still at disney several of us went to a chinese restaurant.  all the fortune cookies were blank except mine.

    two weeks later every person at the table got a pinkslip except me.


    Spooky (5.00 / 1) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:18:29 AM EST
    since then (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:20:16 AM EST
    I refrain from making fun of fortune cookies.

    Do you (none / 0) (#8)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:21:17 AM EST
    Give all fortunes the proper ending?  

    "....in bed."


    Dudes in my family (none / 0) (#12)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:30:42 AM EST
    end them all with "in the bathroom".  I put my fingers in my ears and allow my cookie to speak to me in the language of my choosing.

    I was taking some Girl Scouts (5.00 / 1) (#60)
    by itscookin on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:49:18 AM EST
    camping, and I thought it might be fun to have some fortune cookies so I picked some up at the local grocery store. XXX- rated. Fortunately, they were teenagers and not Brownies. I returned the fortunes minus the cookies to the store. The manager was mortified.

    For me it was the Twilight Zone (none / 0) (#9)
    by observed on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:22:07 AM EST
    episode with William Shatner and the fortune telling machine.

    That's creepy . . . . (none / 0) (#43)
    by nycstray on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:13:11 AM EST
    Skype Rocks!!! (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:17:14 AM EST
    We Skyped for an hour.  About half of it we all three just sat there staring at each other and smiled. Phone calls have never been in short supply, but I'm very visual and so is Joshua.  So getting to see our daddy person really changed things up for us.  We both jumped out of bed this morning whistling.  He looked pretty good, not as thin as an Iraq deployment and flying.  Looks like they are going to send him home close to the way we sent him :)  Still not a good haircut though.  He said that Joshua looks like a Beattle now, and he does.  All the boys in his class are growing their hair out.  I can do this if they don't revive the mullet.

    Skype is wonderful, yes (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Cream City on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:32:38 AM EST
    I'm not sure that my son's romance with a woman halfway around the world would have lasted the year's wait for a visa, had they not had Skype -- nor that my daughter-in-law would have lasted here since without being able to talk to (and see, sometimes) her family several times a week.  Email, Facebook, etc., also help, but there's nothing like conversing with and seeing family and friends.

    And if, as I fear, they have to give up on this economy and head to her homeland with their skills and expertise to find full employment at last . . . well, then it will be me who will be grateful for Skype.  But I still will be d*mned angry at the Dems for the heartbreak and brain drain.  I know of quite a few smart 20-somethings and 30-somethings who have given up and gone abroad now -- for example, finding better work in Guam than here.  There goes our future, and there is something very wrong with that.


    Jeralyn doesn't like Sarah Silverman (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:37:36 AM EST
    I like her though. She can depict the particular shallowness of my own generation like nobody else does for me.  Recently when I was watching her it was being discussed that people no longer consider America the best place on earth to live.  She agreed and said that "Suddenly the world has become a better place".

    Hey CC, can you look at my (none / 0) (#16)
    by observed on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34:45 AM EST
    6:25 am comment in my history?
    I thought you might know the answer.

    Quick lunch tip: (5.00 / 3) (#19)
    by observed on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:41:58 AM EST
    red lentils are the bomb for a fast lunch!
    I just put some red lentils, rice, chicken stock and some spices in a saucepan, boiled, and less than 20 minutes later had a pretty good soup, served with lemon juice and butter.

    Green lentils and sausage (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by nycstray on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:04:21 AM EST
    was what I made yesterday. Yum! Portobello mushrooms can be used in place of grilled sausage, which I've done in the past. I went Cajun yesterday with the spices, other times I go Italian.  

    lentils (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:46:51 AM EST

    A Turkish girl told to put a (none / 0) (#27)
    by observed on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:55:05 AM EST
    chopped up small potato in a small pot of red lentil soup. Idaho potatoes are good because they blend well. The potato makes the soup heartier.
    Simple Turkish style is red lentils, one potato, onions, red pepper, salt, tomato paste, water and (olive) oil. It's quite tasty.

    been making awsum potato soup (none / 0) (#30)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:59:04 AM EST
    from a recipe I found on the net.
    red and black pepper/salt
    chicken stock
    condensed milk

    it even freezes well.


    I love potato soup w/leeks (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by nycstray on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:07:03 AM EST
    I toss in some seafood on occasion and split the stock w/white wine :)

    Nycstray, have you finalized (none / 0) (#45)
    by vml68 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:15:02 AM EST
    your travel plans for the big move?

    One more time, in case you did not catch this message earlier.


    Hoping to be there by March 1st (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by nycstray on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:37:39 AM EST
    or a bit sooner. I'm swamped with work and have 17yrs worth of "stuff" to sort through, lol!~ I have no timeline on this end with my LL. He said to take my time and not worry about when I leave, which is nice. And since I have a home secured in CA, I'll just pay 2 rents until I'm ready to go. I'm starting to part with things I won't need along the bay like my big humidifier, ACs, and most of my fan collection. Ahhhhh, mild weather in my future {grin}

    I didn't see your comment! Everybody is good! He's home now and sounds like everyone has settled after the 2 day ordeal. Here's his latest pic, he found his thumb :)


    He's really, really cute. Re: soups.... (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by Angel on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:21:36 PM EST
    I saute my leeks in a little bit of butter then add salt and pepper and a little flour to make a roux, then add some chicken stock and yukon gold potatoes cut into small pieces.  Bring it to a boil then turn down to a simmer and let the poatoes cook until soft.  Turn off the heat and let it cool down a little, then get out your immersion blender and blend until creamy.  Turn heat on again and add a little half and half, let it cook for a little while then serve.  My husband requests this soup a lot...

    If you use russet potatoes (none / 0) (#75)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 01:06:20 PM EST
    you don't need the flour.

    Thanks for the tip. I like the taste of the (none / 0) (#77)
    by Angel on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 01:51:24 PM EST
    yukon golds, a little more creamy in flavor and consistency.  But, then again, the russets do have a nice earthy flavor.  Maybe I'll use them next time!

    So do I (none / 0) (#87)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 04:45:07 PM EST
    but look for actual russets from Idaho if you can, or better yet organic, which have more flavor than the "all purpose" or those giant "baking" potatoes in the markets.

    I grow my own, so they're pretty tasty!

    Also, it's entirely reasonable to use some russet chunks to thicken the soup, then drop in the Yukons for flavor.

    Potato and leek soup, with or without various additions, is one of my most favorite things.  I grow my own leeks, too, so I made up a lot of it for the freezer.


    Ah, Idaho russets. You grow your own? (none / 0) (#88)
    by Cream City on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 06:18:28 PM EST
    Gosh, I bet those are goooood.  My mom was from Idaho and raised us to know potatoes, but she mourned the dearth of Idaho russets so far from there.  I never will forget when she took half a dozen of us kids home to her home, and her mom had Idaho russets on the table for our first meal.

    We kids scarfed 'em down like candy.  Now I've gotta go see if somebody grows 'em organically around here.  I can taste that perfect mealy texture even now, loaded with butter . . . mmmmm.

    Btw, my other fave from the Northwest is candy -- candy called aplets, as my mom also raised us to know that apples grow wonderfully in Washington.  Ever had aplets?  Look 'em up; they can be shipped, and are almost as good as the homemade ones that grandma used to cook up and send east.


    No more "Idaho potatoes" of our youth (none / 0) (#91)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:14:41 PM EST
    unfortunately.  That unmistakable flavor was a product both of the potato variety and the soil/climate in Idaho, and they've modified the potato to be more uniform, easier to machine harvest, etc., at the expense of flavor.  I haven't had a good one in easily 20 years.

    No, I don't grow Idaho potatoes.  Not even sure what specific variety of Russet they used to grow, but I should see if I can find that out from Teh Google since there's an awful lot of places resurrecting old varieties of just about everything.

    But there are lots of other superb Russets from the better seed potato sources, and they are at least reminiscent of that great old Idaho taste when you grow them small-scale in a well-tended home garden.  I plant a variety called Butte, but Kennebec is good, too, and I'm going to try a few others this year.


    Thanks -- I'm going to get a patch (none / 0) (#93)
    by Cream City on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 03:20:45 PM EST
    of a veggie garden soon (our yard is too small, but our county offers patches of public land), so I am going to save your rec's of good seeds and brands.

    Mmmmm, make 'em mealy for me, the way a tater oughta be.


    Burbank (none / 0) (#94)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:10:58 PM EST
    russet is the old Idaho variety, which I've now read was replaced around the 1970s in large-scale Idaho production, which is pretty much right on the money about when the flavor went out of Idahos.

    I may try to do some Burbanks this summer and see.  But soil and climate have a heck of a lot to do with the flavor, too, so they may not have that Idaho taste grown in my garden.

    If you decide to plant potatoes, DO NOT try to save a little money and just cut up and plant pieces from even an organic market.  There are all kinds of potato diseases that can and do live invisibly in the tubers of affected plants.  They're fine to eat, but planting them will resurrect the disease.

    Be sure to get "certified disease-free" seed potatoes.  This is my favorite source for potatoes and all sorts of other things, though you'd be better off trying to find a more local one that has stuff field-tested for your growing conditions.


    What a cutie! (none / 0) (#65)
    by vml68 on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:20:22 PM EST
    Looks like he is a big boy.

    If your timetable changes for any reason....you can hitch a cross-country ride with me. Miss Dot will have two new boys to hang out with...:-)

    If not, maybe us NYC/NJ talklefters can throw you a little going away party. I have a feeling, I can count on kdog attending!


    I'd be in on some of that action... (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 01:54:40 PM EST
    vml...brilliant idea!

    Thanks! (none / 0) (#90)
    by nycstray on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 08:01:42 PM EST
    he's big but not too big. He's about 20.5". My mom was surprised at how "developed" he looked. He's pretty solid.

    So when are you going across country? And when are we going to see pics of da boys? How's the new kid working out?

    We should get together before I hike west!


    No fixed date for the cross-country (none / 0) (#92)
    by vml68 on Tue Jan 26, 2010 at 09:53:10 AM EST
    drive. I am aiming for the first week in May since I have to be back in SC in April for neice's 6th birthday.
    I have been listening to her b'day plans for the past week. She has a lot of projects lined up for Aunt V, along with an even longer gift list...:-)!

    My new boy has turned out great. I was a little nervous about how Oliver would adjust since he spent the first few days making sure he put every toy of his on the bed or the couch so the little guy could not reach them... :-0.
    Now they are buddies but Oliver still has first dibs on ALL toys!


    You can also toss in some greens (none / 0) (#40)
    by nycstray on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:11:38 AM EST
    like kale or chard for extra nutrition punch (and flavor!).

    I would, but there are no (none / 0) (#62)
    by observed on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:12:01 PM EST
    fresh greens where I live, except very sad cabbages. You can get some other fresh vegetables, but greens won't last long enough to ship.  On the other hand, it's a perfect 80 degrees outside, and the water is great for swimming.

    New Ras poll has Bayh down by 3 (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by tigercourse on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:09:41 AM EST
    points against Pence and Beau Biden is dropping out of the race in Delaware. 2010 is going to be a blood bath.

    Amen, Anderson (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:58:12 PM EST
    We need politicians (especially the administration) to start thinking this way.

    Before we decide it's our responsibility to rebuild all the lost homes in Haiti, let's remember that it's our actual responsibility to make sure our own people have roofs over their heads.

    Haiti isn't our problem alone. China and Germany and other economically powerful countries also have a "good neighbor" responsibility to less fortunate nations like Haiti. In fact, Haiti's not really our problem at all.

    Our "good neighbor" responsibility today is to our actual neighbors here in America, the mom in Milwaukee, the dad in Detroit, the grandparents in Grand Rapids, and the brothers and sisters in Baltimore and Cincinnati - not the huddled masses of Haiti, horrifying as their situation might be.

    Sure, for a few weeks, it makes sense to send American forces into Haiti to help them recover from the initial shock of the crisis. But with two wars already stop-lossing our troops to the breaking point, we can't afford to adopt another country as a matter of national policy.

    Until we can make sure that the kids in Kentucky can get medical care, or the millions of uninsured Americans can have access to the drugs they need to stay alive, we can't commit to sending a never-ending supply of free medicine to another country while at the same time blocking lower-cost medicine from entering the U.S. at our borders - with the blessing of the U.S. Congress - simply because Big Pharma wants to make an even greater profit.

    In the past week, we've seen cabinet members and the First Lady ask Americans to give $10 to the Red Cross by texting "HAITI". Perhaps, instead, these leaders should ask, nay, demand that all those bankers who bungled billions and stole millions in bonuses directly from taxpayers, send some of it to Haiti. Or perhaps, even, to the newly homeless in Houston.

    Can't Congress take the ball (none / 0) (#5)
    by observed on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:18:26 AM EST
    from Obama, policy-wise?
    Obama's not the first worthless prima donna who's been President. What are the strategies to make him impotent, behind the scenes?

    Chemcial Ali executed (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34:00 AM EST
    over the weekend (none / 0) (#15)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:34:39 AM EST
    I was updating friends on new and old email addresses and made the mistake of responding to a mail from a film industry worker by saying "howzit goin?"

    I got this rant.  poor guy.  if you are interested in this stuff you should click the link and check out that weird story about how they are "targeting the effects industry":

    Things are going terrible ;) they are slowly deindustrializing LA
    while canadian taxes subsidizes the industrializing of Vancouver. DD
    now has a place up in Vancouver. Producers loose "points" for hiring
    experienced people, and now the industry is setting up artist to pay
    for their own payroll:


    New breed of kids coming in have what they claim a "libratarian"
    mindset, which is a perversion of the word because in reality they are
    apolitical and don't want to be told what to do. Kids probably raised
    with no structure at home because both parents were working now bring
    that undiciplined mindset to work. So these brats are anti guild/union
    and think that if "you're good, you don't need a union". Wait until
    their girlfriends start popping out kids and wants a "house on the
    westside", then the tune starts to change. But by then they have new
    kids filling the ranks. Also now companies want artist working at
    flat rate while in house directors change their mind and work people
    into 40 hour straight shifts. Any momentum present at organizing
    artist have been undermined by the artist themselves who have reverted
    the industry to the bullying tactics that places like DD used to do 15
    years ago. I completly blame the artist.

    Meanwhile Venice and much of LA is becoming a resort town: where
    people bring their wealth. The only people making money are bestbuy
    employees making enough to eat at macdonalds, and macdonald employees
    making enough to buy x-boxes at bestbuy. Grey Matter, where I worked
    in 2004 on Abbot Kinny, is now a gallery. Where well paid post
    production people used to sit is a grad from Tish School of Arts
    making minimum wage as a receptionist, and the folks who make a
    commission on $10k artwork being sold. It looks like resort gallery
    towns like Windsor and Healsburg. Meanwhile there are now companies
    that manage former homes (like the one you rented down here) as
    furnished luxury rentals. Screw rent control. ;). Hanging out on
    Venice: all euro foreigners who bring their money, and kids under 30
    driving 250K cars.

    Sorry for the nutz-o rant, it's been eating at me! I hope you are
    doing well and I scared you enough about LA!

    His comments about the younger employees (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:15:37 PM EST
    in his industry are true in other high-tech industries as well. They demand the best, most satisfying tasks - no concept of paying dues doing the grunt work for a year or two. And they get their way, at least where I work - the senior guys want to  act like the cool uncle to the young guys, so they shuffle off the grunt work on subcontractors (like me). When I started out, a junior person would be doing the work I do now, and someone with my experience would be doing the real engineering and programming. And it is not all explained by younger people knowing the latest technology.

    Just my own little rant...


    sorry (none / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:35:26 AM EST
    the first paragraph in the quote should not be in the quote.
    I wish we could correct comments.

    Makes me very very sad (none / 0) (#20)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:44:23 AM EST
    at this point. Ronald Reagan promised my generation we would all be yuppies.  I wanted to be a yuppy so bad.  As things went though I only managed to stay thin enough to be a yuppy.  I didn't have the right daddy so never had the bank statement or the BMW.  I even voted for Reagan the first election I could vote.  My grandfather kicked me out of the house for 24 hours during a visit to see him when I confesssed that.  I knew I was right too, until I wasn't :)

    My grandfather always said that (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Militarytracy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:04:06 AM EST
    the Kennedys were all raised to be President someday.  Joe taught politics from the dinner table.  I don't know if that's true but my grandfather taught politics from the dinner table....that's for sure.

    Me too (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by CST on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:14:42 AM EST
    I guess I was raised to be President someday.

    Just wait, one day you'll be voting for CST and you won't even know it :)

    - although it will probably come out during the campaign, and something I said here will come back to bite me.

    Maybe I'll just stick to my other goal of becomming a cabinet member.  I always thought it would be nicer to be appointed than elected.


    My mother said it was Rose Kennedy (none / 0) (#58)
    by Cream City on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:46:20 AM EST
    who led the dinner-table talks -- as her spouse was so often out of town -- and not only about politics but also about good books and other uplifting topics.  So my mom tried it with us.  It didn't work.  Or so she thought. . . .  But it did, in the long run.

    I have to say, though, that I always have had to wonder if all those boisterous Kennedy boys and lively Kennedy girls really did behave so well at the dinner table.  We had a strict mom, too, but a woman can do only so much.  Maybe it took a village of servants to raise all those Kennedy children to behave well at the table every dinner, every day.


    Rose may have led her share (none / 0) (#68)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:26:38 PM EST
    of dinner talks, depending on which parent was around (in the 30s increasingly Rose herself was gone -- long Euro vacations w/o the spouse), but the ones the family tended to remember or that got most of the ink in so many later books by others were those led by Joe.

    I sense that patriarch Joe was more interested in the substance of current events and the ability of his kids to learn to defend their opinions with facts and logic.  Rose, I would guess, probably had more interest in making sure the children were using proper grammar as they discussed issues.


    Rather dismissive. (none / 0) (#76)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 01:46:32 PM EST
    No kidding. Attitude aside, how are we really (none / 0) (#79)
    by Angel on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 02:04:32 PM EST
    to know who led the discussions and what they were about?  Let's give Rose a little credit here, she was apparently a very strong woman, regardless of who led the table discussions.  

    Don't mean to be (none / 0) (#85)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 03:04:44 PM EST
    so dismissive, but I did want to emphasize the stronger role of Joe at the family dinner table, which was what was brought up.

    Why do I emphasize Joe?  Because time and again in the hundreds of books written about the family you see his family dinner table discussions mentioned, which were, I gather, very memorable and formative events.  

    Not so much mention of those led by Rose.  Though undoubtedly she was in her own way influential with the kids, especially in their religious upbringing.  And it's simply a fact that she had a keen interest in correcting the children in their grammar.  Even into their adulthood.


    Heavens, don't you know her history? (none / 0) (#89)
    by Cream City on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 06:19:51 PM EST
    Rose Kennedy was the one raised in politics.  Look up her famous father.

    My son's first vote was for Nader (none / 0) (#56)
    by Cream City on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:41:11 AM EST
    no matter how much we tried to tell him what could happen.  Ditto for most of his friends, who were really burned.  So we stopped talking about it, and we worked hard at getting him up for the midterms, and he got vindication -- and he never has missed an election day since.

    There were few joys greater for me than going to the polls with my children, when they were living nearby and registered in the same district.  When it came time for my daughter's first vote, she made such a deal of it -- calling the day before to check our schedules and find a time -- and she still talks about it as a big day for her, heading to the polls with her mom.

    I always had to take them to the polls with me when they were young, and I swear it pays off later.  Other things, maybe not so much.:-)  But modeling good citizenship does seem to work.


    The brightside to.... (none / 0) (#22)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 10:44:44 AM EST
    the Jets season-ending loss...Jets fans should be safe from police brutality on the road until next season...Indy cops took it one step further than their San Diego brethren yesterday and whipped out the taser.

    Surely this will anger the football gods and they will be sure the Lombardi Trophy heads to N'awlins...Go Saints!

    The Colts... (none / 0) (#32)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:00:45 AM EST
    ...have a lot of bad karma going with the football Gods, one would think.

    Tasering folks, stealing their team in the middle of the night from the loyal Balmer fans, subjecting us to two solid weeks of the Manning family saga.  "OMG, Archie played for NO--whoever will he root for?!!11?"  Gawh.

    Geaux Saints!


    The only karma... (none / 0) (#42)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:13:04 AM EST
    working for them is the Garcon Haiti connection...Saints have it in spades(Katrina/Nobody wanted Brees/The Aint's & brown paper bags...will it be enough?

    Vilma... (none / 0) (#47)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:23:45 AM EST
    ...has ties to Haiti as well, so they're even on that bit of cosmic goodness.

    Lock it up for Dem Saints! (none / 0) (#52)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:30:01 AM EST
    Not that my football gods meter is functioning...I played like garbage yesterday and don't know how I have offended them to properly repent.

    At least we salvaged a split...I killed us out there...2 dropped passes, got beaten on two jump balls on D...I'll be sick all week till I can get a shot to redeem myself...one of dem days.


    Rough day for the Jets. (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:39:17 AM EST
    The Q2 gave me some hope, but I always had that sinking feeling that Payton was just getting warmed up.

    I have no connection to the Aints, so, Colts all the way.


    The Colts TD... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:51:44 AM EST
    right before the half had me nervous for what was in store in the 2nd half too...big momentum swing.

    And then the Jets sat on it with a minute left in the half...I understand Rex's reasoning but c'mon, this is the AFC Championship...try to get in position for a FG...you know 17 pts ain't beating the Colts.


    Well, this was my thinking (none / 0) (#64)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:16:41 PM EST
    as the 2d qtr finished and the 3d unfolded -- that not many teams would be able to advance to the SB, let alone having to defeat probably the best team in the NFL, while obviously keeping their talented QB on a very short leash in terms of passing the ball.  Usually the underdogs in order to win need to open things up, be unpredictable, and take some chances.  

    The Jets probably went too long trying to avoid having their young QB make mistakes.

    Winning with a limited, hamstrung Jets QB nearly worked of course, but in the end Manning's talent wore down the opposition.


    One positive.... (none / 0) (#74)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 01:01:33 PM EST
    I did take from the loss is how well Sanchez played...he threw some frozen ropes...the second Jets TD when he stood in there and threw a strike to Keller and got creamed especially.

    If you woulda told me beforehand Sanchez would be up 2-1 in passing TD's at the half, I'd have booked a flight to Miami.


    Well neither team has a (none / 0) (#70)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:35:57 PM EST
    monopoly on virtue, it seems.

    The Saints owner Benson had Poppy Bush as a guest last night.  Previously, post-Katrina, he'd strongly hinted he may have to move his team out of N.O., permanently, for Sanan Tone (Benson is a native Texan).  Public pressure forced him to back down.

    The Colts Irsay is a bit of a mexed missage in terms of his politics (though he's probably a Repub), but to his great credit he was the first NFL owner to come out against Rush Limbaugh owning the Rams.  And he did hire black guy/nice guy Tony Dungy as head coach some years back.


    I think I have to have one of these (none / 0) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:00:53 AM EST
    Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab debate (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:09:45 AM EST
    Should he be in the criminal justice system or in the military tribunal system?

    Washington -- For hours after allegedly trying to use a bomb in his underwear to blow up a Christmas Day flight to Detroit, Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab talked and talked to authorities.

    He spoke openly about what he'd done and why, and provided valuable intelligence, U.S. officials said in interviews that spell out the details of Abdulmutallab's arrest on Dec. 25.

    Burned and bleeding, the suspect tried a last gambit as he was taken from the plane: He claimed there was another bomb on board, officials said.

    There was no second bomb, federal agents learned after a tense search. But the Nigerian suspect's threat set off conversations that are the subject of a fierce political debate over how to handle terrorism suspects.

    As he was taken from the scene, federal agents repeatedly interviewed him or heard him speak to others. But when they read him his legal rights nearly 10 hours after the incident, he went silent.

    Since the attempted bombing, several prominent lawmakers have argued he should have been placed immediately in military custody, and the nation's top intelligence official said he should have been questioned by a special group of terror investigators, rather than the FBI agents who responded to the scene.

    Iowa Supreme Court case may be of interest (none / 0) (#48)
    by desmoinesdem on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:27:45 AM EST
    to some here. The court will consider whether "sentencing a 14-year-old child to life imprisonment without possibility of parole violates state and federal constitutional guarantees against cruel and unusual punishment."

    Ruthann Veal is one of only three people sentenced to die in prison in Iowa for an offense at age 14. Her sentencing judge could not take into account that Ruthann was born to abusive, alcoholic parents who violently beat her because Iowa law makes life-without-parole sentences mandatory for certain offenses.

    Uh oh (none / 0) (#49)
    by andgarden on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:28:33 AM EST
    Frame your arguments for Justice Kennedy everyone. . .

    For steve m re Polanski: (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:28:44 AM EST

    This is the first reference I have found to the judge citing the "fugitive disentitlement doctrine" at Friday's hrg.

    Where is the job creation? (none / 0) (#55)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:39:55 AM EST

    I hope individuals are considered (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by nycstray on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:48:39 AM EST
    in the elder care. Most of my friends and I are childless, and/or single. Elder care is a part of our futures also.

    And no, I didn't see any jobs in there . . . .


    banning books is one thing (none / 0) (#57)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 11:43:24 AM EST
    when they start banning the freakin dictionary we are in unexplored territory.
    like I have been sayin, this is not SSDD.  this is totally new sh!t:

    Menifee school officials remove dictionary over term 'oral sex'

    Idiotic decision (none / 0) (#66)
    by Raskolnikov on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:20:31 PM EST
    Who are these people?  This is as ridiculous as banning fantasy books because they "celebrate the occult".  

    "Bush bashing" has run its course (none / 0) (#69)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:35:26 PM EST
    Now only if Obama would get the messsge....

    Running as much against the Bush White House as he was running against Sen. John McCain, Barack Obama easily carried Virginia, New Jersey and Massachusetts in 2008.

    Yet when Democratic nominees for governor in Virginia and New Jersey and for Senate in Massachusetts sought to tie their GOP opponents to the still-unpopular former president, the strategy didn't resonate. Voters were more focused on the current administration or local political issues -- and the onetime Democratic magic formula seemed yesterday's news.

    "Voters are pretty tired of the blame game," said longtime Democratic strategist Steve Hildebrand, a top aide on Obama's presidential campaign. "What a stupid strategy that was."

    Howard Wolfson, a senior official on Hillary Clinton's campaign and veteran Democratic communications guru, noted that his party was able to run against Republican Herbert Hoover's Depression-era presidency for 30 years.

    "That doesn't seem to be the case here," he
    Another well-respected Democratic consultant put said. it simply: "Need a new game plan!"

    I'd say Obama in his (5.00 / 1) (#72)
    by brodie on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:54:03 PM EST
    1st year failed to do enough explicit Bush bashing -- calling out by name, instead of alluding indirectly and delicately to what problems he was handed by his predecessor.

    A year later, not having tied Bush sufficiently to the economic and foreign war problems, he's largely lost the opportunity to do try to start now.

    Of course, another major problem he has:  the MSM.  Having mostly sat on their hands for 8 yrs of Junior and only occasionally done tough, honest reporting about that admin, they probably weren't going to let Obama's admin get away with too much Bush bashing at any time.  Still, Obama should have gone for it and dare the corp media to defend Bush's horrible legacy.


    Oops (none / 0) (#71)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 12:36:36 PM EST
    Here's the link.

    Obama knows his base? (none / 0) (#80)
    by CST on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 02:08:01 PM EST
    From MSNBC:

    "Obama will also call for caps on some student loans, limiting a borrower's payments to 10 percent of his or her income, and forgiving all remaining debt after 10 years of payment for those in public service work -- and 20 years for all others."

    Emphasis mine.

    dont you think (none / 0) (#81)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 02:12:56 PM EST
    most of those people were for him already.
    seems like the right thing to do.

    yes and yes (none / 0) (#83)
    by CST on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 02:19:44 PM EST
    It's nice to see a little pandering though.

    And there is always the enthusiasm gap to look out for.


    "Above a basic living allowance" (none / 0) (#84)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 02:42:25 PM EST
    HOWL (none / 0) (#82)
    by Capt Howdy on Mon Jan 25, 2010 at 02:13:35 PM EST
    kicks off sundance

    Sundance officially kicks off tonight with one of my most anticipated films - renowned documentarians and first-time narrative filmmakers Rob Epstein and Jeffrey Friedman's "Howl."  Starring James Franco (!), David Strathairn, Jon Hamm (!!), Mary-Louise Parker (!!!), and Jeff Daniels, the film recounts Allen Ginsberg's obscenity trial.  Reactions from both myself and all of our criticWIRE participants should be available here starting tomorrow - but here's three short clips to wet your anticipation: