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There's so much TV to watch tonight. Continued news coverage of Haiti, the Golden Globes, the premiere of "24 Season 8," a new Next Iron Chef, Desperate Housewives and Brothers and Sisters.

Whether you are watching or just online, here's an open thread, all topics welcome.

Update: Looks like the House is gearing up to accept the Senate bill if they lose in MA Tuesday. [More...]

Over all, however, the bills are similar, if not identical, on a vast majority of issues. For supporters of the health care overhaul, the complaints with the Senate bill may seem minor compared with the prospect of outright defeat of the legislation, the president’s top domestic initiative, and the thought of Republicans’ using a health care failure to clobber Democrats in this fall’s midterm elections.
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    9 pm PST, KUSC-FM: (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 07:25:51 PM EST
    [playlisthttp://webplaylist.org/cgi-bin/kusc/playlist.cgi#21[  A don't miss.

    Meanwhile, playing now:  "The New York Philharmonic with Alec Baldwin."

    What is Alec Baldwin doing with them? (none / 0) (#4)
    by Militarytracy on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:12:22 PM EST


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    the cha-cha? (none / 0) (#14)
    by DFLer on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:01:38 PM EST


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    He is their "new voice": (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:20:30 PM EST
    NYT

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    Trying 24 (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:06:39 PM EST


    I kind of think... (none / 0) (#6)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:34:44 PM EST
    ... that after nine years, and being in a lot of ways the iconic show of the Bush years, that 24 has run it's course. I really wasn't too into it last season. But I'll give it another shot, at least for now.

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    So far not bad (none / 0) (#7)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:43:52 PM EST
    Let's see the first plot twist.

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    I't just starting here (none / 0) (#13)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:01:10 PM EST
    so if Keifer gets offed, I rather have that plot given away....

    If they have another Agent Walker, it should be a good show....

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    rathe "not" have the plot given away. (none / 0) (#15)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:01:46 PM EST


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    Obviously (none / 0) (#17)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:02:42 PM EST
    that is not going to happen.

    Not yet anyway .  . .

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    This could be the last year... (none / 0) (#20)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:08:37 PM EST
    ... so Jack dying isn't out of the question. But if it did happen it would be at the end of the season.

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    I think she is a character this year too (none / 0) (#16)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:02:11 PM EST


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    Dead ringer for Mrs. MKS (none / 0) (#22)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:12:14 PM EST
    and she accepts the comparison....

    So I'm am not totally shallow...

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    Lucky Mr. MKS (5.00 / 0) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:27:55 PM EST


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    Did you catch that new show before 24? "Human (none / 0) (#8)
    by DFLer on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:44:44 PM EST
    Target or something?...that was fun. I'd watch it again.

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    Missed it (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:52:09 PM EST


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    I got home late... (none / 0) (#10)
    by Jerrymcl89 on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:54:19 PM EST
    ... so I didn't see Human Target. But I like the look of it, and the actors involved. I'll be giving it a chance going forward.

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    I don't know (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:26:02 PM EST
    why they are saying that the bills are similar because they really aren't in two major areas: one being the public options though limited it is and the other being the financing mechanism. There is no excise tax in the house bill.

    So the MA senate race is a referendum on Obama's health care bill which would mean even a blue state like MA doesnt want it if Coakley loses but the house is going to go ahead and pass a bill that cost the party a senate seat? Man, this is beyond stupid.

    With all the messages coming out, it sounds like Brown is going to win the seat.

    Debacle (5.00 / 3) (#12)
    by ruffian on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:00:18 PM EST
    so, let me get this straight....Kennedy dying results in the House having to accept the Senate bill...because HCR was largely responsible for Kennedy's seat going GOP.  All the while, if they had used Kennedy's HELP committee Senate Bill and not doen the whole Baucus mess, perhaps the whole thing would have been done a lot faster with a better result for everyone.

    Truly an astonishing story.

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    Yep (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:07:59 PM EST
    debacle is the word for it. what a disaster.

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    Or (none / 0) (#29)
    by christinep on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:30:36 PM EST
    That's irony. That's life.

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    If true, Brown winning the seat (none / 0) (#11)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:59:01 PM EST
    would result in a less progressive bill.....

    Coakley's gotv will be good, so she has a shot...    

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    what (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:05:06 PM EST
    about no bill? There's no telling how many defections there is going to be if Coakley loses.

    This is all really beginning to sound more and more desperate to pass this crap bill. Sad.

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    I'll be just fine with a (5.00 / 2) (#23)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:14:01 PM EST
    Coakley loss causing a flood of dems facing re-election deciding to change their HCR vote. Our elected representation will pay more attention to the calls, letters, emails from their constituents if they lose what they thought was a certain win.

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    Could be (5.00 / 1) (#26)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:24:12 PM EST
    A Brown victory will have Democrats racing to the center like lemmings....How that impacts HCR would be either no bill or a less progressive bill.

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    How could the (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:42:00 PM EST
    current bill get much less "progressive" what ever progessive means. I can understand that concern with the house bill but the senate crap bill is a republican bill for the most part. The excise tax is something that John McCain proposed doing in 2008. If you look at Brown's website (which I glanced at) he says that the subsidies should be cut in MA so that's proably what would be in another bill. The bottom line is that I guess the bill would be made even worse by simply just mandating that people hand over money to the insurance companies. It's a GOP wet dream.

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    Coakley was a big Hillary supporter (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:49:08 PM EST
    Now it appears some Dems will vote against her--some in part because she is seen as Obama's candidate....More irony....

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    Yeah. (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:01:33 PM EST
    As long as she ran against the health bill then she was doing good. It seems it all started to go downhill for her when she started supporting Obama's health bill. It's ironic that being against the health bill is what made her win the primary it seems.

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    And the Kennnedy's preferred (5.00 / 2) (#42)
    by MKS on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:55:37 PM EST
    someone else over Martha and she is getting hit because she talked about winning "Teddy's seat."

    Her campaign could have been better.  But I have done my part making calls the last couple of days...If she goes down, I won't feel bad--actually taking action is like pre-emptive therapy.  If she wins, how cool that I was a part of it....
     

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    Well (5.00 / 1) (#46)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:02:48 PM EST
    thanks for helping. You should be praised for that.

    Anyway now Barney Frank is saying that the Health bill is dead if Brown wins or at least that's what TPM is reporting.

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    It can't be good news for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by Cream City on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:05:54 PM EST
    when Barney Frank has to say "Coakley is NOT Obama in drag."

    And I have not seen such heckling of a president as happened in Boston since . . . well, since I don't know when, since the crowds were carefully controlled for Bush.  Wow, the heckling of Obama really was bad.  Wonder if he will be asked to go out to the hustings by other Dem candidates -- or not.

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    Thanks for putting in the work (none / 0) (#63)
    by kidneystones on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:30:02 PM EST
    I fear, however, you're being too kind. This election should never have been a contest.

    I rather hope you and other sensible, committed folks will stay involved over the next few days just to keep the desperate from committing even greater acts of folly.

    It's not too late for MA Dems to do or say something egregiously and unforgivably appalling.

    Grace in victory or defeat impresses the heck out me, for one.

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    Still PO'd at the abysmal treatment of women (none / 0) (#64)
    by Ellie on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:43:13 PM EST
    Still stunned that coat-hanger Dems like Nelson, Stupak, Pitts etc. got coddled and indulged.

    Meanwhile, Coakley has been portrayed as a baby killer in a new flyer, and from the same fringes out in the land of koo-koo bananas:

    In 2004, Mass Citizens for Life refused to endorse Brown because of his support for Roe v. Wade. And less than two weeks ago, Brown declared during a debate hosted by WTKK-FM, that while he was "against partial-birth abortions" and for "a strong parental notification law," he continued to believe that "Roe v. Wade is the law of the land."

    Via HuffiPron ("Abortion Wars")

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    Stevens is supposedly going to retire (none / 0) (#85)
    by MKS on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 01:26:04 PM EST
    If Brown makes it, he will get a chance to show how moderate he is....Would he vote to confirm Steven's replacement?  He would have to....he would up again in 2012....

    And I assume the Republicans would let him go rogue on the Supreme Court....

    But on Dawn Johnsen--he will be just like Nelson.....

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    Dems lost their right to whip women over SCOTUS (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Ellie on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 02:31:20 PM EST
    ... by dangling a threatened Roe when they swipecarded Scalito and Roberts. If Republicans can filibuster as a minority, so can the Dems if they even give a d@mn.

    They don't, as enshrining the persecution of women with this healthcare debacle just so Ben Nelson's illicit choice is respected.

    Dems can't scare me anymore.

    (Besides, it's now more possible, efficient, saner and cost effective for to make persecutors show standing, and/or make illegal abortion safer.)

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    But, Obama appointed someone (none / 0) (#90)
    by MKS on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 05:04:37 PM EST
    other than the two that you mention....She has already shown she is on the liberal side of things....

    You get another W or Mitt as President, and you get another Roberts....

    You get Obama for 8 years, and not only does he get to nominate replacements for Stevens and Ginsburg (most likley in his first term) but he might get a chance to replace one of the conservatives if they were to retire....

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    Dems need to fight harder FOR women (5.00 / 1) (#91)
    by Ellie on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:56:22 PM EST
    ... and not court and coddle movement conservatives that persecute us. PERIOD.

    Having a Dem trifecta hasn't changed the landscape one bit. They obliterated our legal rights further with the health care and coverage bills (with non-leadership from Obama on the matter).

    The record on other global human rights (like FISA) is as dismal. There's no material difference.

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    the impact of a Brown victory... (none / 0) (#24)
    by mikeel on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:15:48 PM EST
    ....will be no bill at all, there's that pesky abortion issue, not to mention some Blue Dogs bailing out.

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    Steve M seems to have left TL (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:28:13 PM EST
    per other commenters here.  If anyone (administrators????) has his e mail address, you may want to contact him.  I miss his wit and spot on comments. Plus, I wanted to let him know a Haitian in news photo was wearing "Albion College" t-shirt.  

    Little early (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:31:26 PM EST
    to send out a search party.

    I'll e-mail if he stays absent much longer.

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    OK. I'll send the Big Dawg and W. (none / 0) (#31)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:34:04 PM EST


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    Sometimes people just need to take (none / 0) (#52)
    by Anne on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:27:29 PM EST
    a break...

    I think things are coming to some kind of head, politically, and a lot of us are wrestling with the disconnect between what we always thought Democrats stood for, and the direction the party seems to be headed.  Where do we fit?  How do we express our dissatisfaction in a way that gets the attention of the party leadership?  What's the "right" thing to do?

    I've always enjoyed Steve's comments and level-headed discourse; I hope he returns before too long, refreshed and ready to weigh in on all the pressing issues of the day.

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    The commenter to whom I refer (none / 0) (#58)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:50:58 PM EST
    apparently did not like other commenters reading into his comments what was not there.  So I am not going to do so.  

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    I know. (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Anne on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:08:17 PM EST
    But that's an inherent problem with the written word: it isn't always read with the same voice with which we write it.

    It may be just me, but I had the sense something else was going on; seemed like too abrupt a change of attitude to be solely attributable to feeling like he was being misinterpreted.

    I hope I'm wrong.

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    Yes, the most recent exchange (none / 0) (#67)
    by Cream City on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:51:09 PM EST
    was not the first.  There was
    this one
    , too -- and there were others in the few days before that.  I also hope all is well with him and his.

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    cx (none / 0) (#68)
    by Cream City on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:52:27 PM EST
    Make that this one.  I'm getting too weary after a series of upheavals for me and mine lately, too!

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    why would he leave? (none / 0) (#73)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 12:40:24 AM EST
    Did someone attack him?

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    Please read his comments and those (none / 0) (#74)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 12:49:15 AM EST
    surrounding them.  

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    Wow. Thanks. I was unaware. (none / 0) (#86)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 01:29:16 PM EST


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    I saw (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Ga6thDem on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:47:05 PM EST
    an interresting diary at the big orange. it was titled are Obama's supporters the problem? It was tlaking about how condescending they were to the average voter, how they thought that the voters were stupid because they just couldnt see how important it was to show up and vote etc. Very suprised to see somethign like that.

    PPP has a new poll out with Brown (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by tigercourse on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:13:43 PM EST
    holding a 5 point lead. It does not look good.

    Obama Coakley crowd at stump plus Teh Cuteness (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Ellie on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:15:38 PM EST
    Obama/Coakley: 4,000
    Brown counter-rally nearby: 3,200

    Organizers estimated about 1,500 people packed the gym with an additional 2,500 viewing the event in an adjacent room. [...] A rally for Brown in Worcester drew about 2,200 people with about 1,000 in two more rooms.  (UPI Jan. 17, 2010 at 9:18 PM)

    The AP wire story only mentions the 1,500.

    I loved this nearby story at UPI:

    Boy calls police to surrender pacifiers
    TARANTO, Italy, Jan. 14 (UPI) -- Police ... said a 4-year-old boy who considered himself too old for his pacifiers called authorities to surrender the baby toys. ... [T]he boy called the emergency line a few days before his birthday and explained that he thought the police should have his old pacifiers, ANSA reported Thursday.

    "I'm old enough now so you can have my dummies," the boy told the operator.

    Police said two officers visited the boy's birthday party and traded him a souvenir hat in exchange for his four old pacifiers.

    ... and this solitary comment even more:

    The police in Italy are awesome. In the U.S., they probably would have arrested the kid.

    (Paging kdog ... kdog to the courtesy phone please)

    You rang.... (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:25:08 AM EST
    Maybe not locked up...but they probably woulda sent the bippies to the crime lab for analysis, and put the kid under surveillance:)

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    So far, "24" is boring me tonight (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by shoephone on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:50:59 PM EST
    I think it's because of my allegiance to what I consider a far better intelligence-terrorism show, Britain's "Spooks," known over here as "MI-5." It's got better pacing, more finely drawn characters, much more dastardly interplay and mind games between intelligence vs. Parliament, and the scenarios are plotted out so interestingly. And, it even seems more realistic. Of course, "24" often seems like a predictable cartoon...

    Meanwhile, Kenneth Branagh (none / 0) (#69)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 12:26:43 AM EST
    was nominated for a Golden Globe for playing a purportedly Swedish spy (with an incomprehensible, IMO, British accent).  What has become of Masterpiece Theatre?

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    I tried to watch that show (none / 0) (#75)
    by shoephone on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 12:50:21 AM EST
    but it was either too slow or too confusing, now I can't remember which! But I do remember that Branagh played a very depressed character.

    And yeah... Masterpiece. It ain't the same.

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    Was a faithful MI-5/Spooks viewer till ... (none / 0) (#70)
    by Ellie on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 12:27:28 AM EST
    ... sometime during (Season) Five or Six, when it changed nights and slots and I lost the thread. (Thought it was cancelled.) I'm going to rejoin after catching up via DVD.

    Never got into 24. I had high hopes for The Agency, which, unfortunately, got overly dumbed down over a mole, the (now inevitable) cliff-hanger death of a regular cast member and tepid workplace romances.

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    Love MI-5 (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 02:19:44 AM EST
    Much better show that 24. Season 7 is out on DVD on Jan. 26.

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    And to think (5.00 / 1) (#77)
    by shoephone on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 03:14:36 AM EST
    I nearly gave up on it after Matthew McFadyen (Tom) went bonkers and had to be removed. Just don't like Rupert Jones (Adam) at all. But it's still better than most shows. And the actor who plays Harry Pearce is brilliant in the role!

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    Cubs fans hold annual convention (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 03:17:11 AM EST
    Every year since 1986 Cubs fans have gathered in the dark  dreariness of mid-winter to throw off the grief of last season (every last season), and pump up their hopes and dreams for the new season, the one that will surely be better than last year.

    Good news for this year:

    New owners. The Ricketts family bought the team from the evil doers at the the Tribune Corp. A special pox on any house associated with Sam Zell.

    Wrigley Field will remain Wrigley Field. The new owners have promised to not sell the stadium naming rights.

    Milton Bradley is gone. He has been traded to the Mariners (too bad, Seattle) which will, at the very least, improve the attitude in the locker room and on the field.

    And the best thing of all--- It's a whole new season and anything is possible. GO CUBS!!!!

    Here is a link.

    Ah, hope springs eternal! (none / 0) (#83)
    by ruffian on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 10:35:09 AM EST
    How many days till spring training?

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    Pitchers & catchers report on Feb. 17 (none / 0) (#88)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 02:48:20 PM EST
    And everybody else reports on Feb. 22.

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    It's all Bradley's fault? I think the guy (none / 0) (#84)
    by oculus on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 11:34:03 AM EST
    messes up but I know for a fact the first base umpire started it all at Petco.

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    Oh no, not all Bradley's fault. (none / 0) (#89)
    by caseyOR on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 02:51:20 PM EST
    The Cubs record on the field is always a team effort. But Bradley really was a pain in the @ss. Very bad attitude generally, IMO. He didn't seem to want to be there.

    Maybe he will find his place his in Seattle.

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    Desperate Housewives and (none / 0) (#3)
    by Anne on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 08:10:30 PM EST
    Brothers and Sisters are repeats, which makes deciding what to watch a little easier.

    Iron Chef America for me.

    Not on the West Coast (none / 0) (#21)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:09:46 PM EST
    Desperate Housewives and Brothers and Sisters are both new episodes. They just came back last weekend after almost 2 months of reruns or being pre-empted.


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    No they are new episodes (none / 0) (#72)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 12:38:50 AM EST
    Just watched them.

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    Holy cow! We have a sports site now? (none / 0) (#32)
    by Teresa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:34:36 PM EST
    This is great. How long does it take to get the password email? I'm still waiting and I hope I didn't type the address wrong.

    I missed the big announcement. I thought BTD was referring to the sports site at Open Left or at DK.

    I got password e mail ASAP. (none / 0) (#33)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:37:02 PM EST
    I knew the Kiffin post would bring you out of the woodwork!

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    Oh I didn't even see it yet. I still don't (none / 0) (#34)
    by Teresa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:39:21 PM EST
    have an email. Should I try Teresa1 or TeresaHatesKiffin? (though I'm glad he's gone)

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    It was in my junk folder. (none / 0) (#35)
    by Teresa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:40:23 PM EST
    How dare they call sports junk?

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    And I was wrong (none / 0) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:42:27 PM EST
    a Tennessee linebacker recruit gave a verbal commitment to Florida today. I really didn't think the Gators needed any more defensive signees.

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    Ugh, the only thing we need worse than (none / 0) (#38)
    by Teresa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:46:56 PM EST
    linebackers is offensive lineman. And of course a new field goal kicker though our recruit seems pretty firm still with the great kid from Florida (even though I think he went to visit Miami this weekend).

    Off to read the Kiffin post. I hope BTD doesn't disappoint me. I know he thought he was beneath UT.

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    Re: (none / 0) (#41)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 09:52:35 PM EST
    I know he thought he was beneath UT.
     [Italics added.]

    Please specify who "he" is in each instance.


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    BTD thought Kiffin was beneath UT. (none / 0) (#44)
    by Teresa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:01:18 PM EST
    He told me that his attention grabbing mouth was the equivalent of acting like Tennessee is Rutgers. We didn't need a coach to get us in the news because we have a great tradition here and kids in the south already know that.

    He's a great recruiter but I have no doubt he would have had us on probation before long if he hasn't already done something to get us there.

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    Told you so (none / 0) (#48)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:05:03 PM EST


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    Yep, you did BTD. You are always right. (none / 0) (#51)
    by Teresa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:19:01 PM EST


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    Michael Palardy (none / 0) (#43)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:01:13 PM EST
    is still interested in the Vols and looks to be a strong legged kicker that I thought the Gators might pursue after the Kiffin ordeal. The Gators had two players from his high school on their roster this year. Even though the high school is closer to Miami's backyard, they only have one from the school. You still look safe with keeping him in Knoxville.

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    I hope so CG. Our present kicker (none / 0) (#47)
    by Teresa on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:03:11 PM EST
    hasn't been very good since his freshman year. He had pulled a quad muscle that was already messed up in pre-game against Bama and didn't tell anyone except one trainer. I hope the trainer leaves with LK.

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    Nate Silver (none / 0) (#53)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:31:22 PM EST
    at 538 has his prediction out for Tuesday with Coakley winning 49.2% to 48.6%

    That's almost automatic recount (none / 0) (#55)
    by Cream City on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:44:25 PM EST
    territory.  Even a win that close for Coakley could scare the heck out of other members of Congress up for re-election, and whether that would have impact on the corporate health insurance bailout could be a question.

    Btw, does Silver factor in the weather forecast?

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    His models are (none / 0) (#59)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:55:29 PM EST
    highly mathematical based on his sabermetric baseball knowledge I believe. Have never seen weather mentioned. Weather doesn't effect the outcome in baseball. Unlike elections, baseball gets postponed.

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    Except during the playoffs. (none / 0) (#65)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 11:45:59 PM EST


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    Big storm in Boston tomorrow (none / 0) (#71)
    by Cream City on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 12:32:52 AM EST
    with half a foot of snow possible.  Across the state, too.  It ought to be cleared away by Tuesday and not matter, but all the statistical models in the world still leave meteorologists guessing their best.

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    Baseball (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by CoralGables on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 09:08:03 AM EST
    and not weather or anything else may actually have as much or more to do with Tuesday's outcome than most realize.

    True enough, the sudden weekend plummet of Coakley in the the land of The Sawx may not be due to healthcare, jobs, Obama, recessions, curling irons or waterboarding, but rather a little baseball exchange during a radio interview on Friday when she referred to Curt Schilling, supporter of her Republican opponent, Scott Brown, as "another Yankee fan".

    In the Church of Red Sox Baseball, Martha Coakley may have committed an excommunicable act.

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    Gavin Newsome wants me to support (none / 0) (#54)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:41:24 PM EST
    Coakley, even though both Newsome and me reside in CA.  

    Well, you could pretend (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by jbindc on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 10:24:19 AM EST
    You were an Illinois college kid bused into town during the Iowa caucuses..... Take a plane and go vote for Coakley!

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    Even from afar (none / 0) (#56)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:46:52 PM EST
    I always support the Dem. The possible option has always been more than I want to bear.

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    I am sending positive thoughts to Ms. (none / 0) (#57)
    by oculus on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:49:27 PM EST
    Coakley.

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    That (none / 0) (#60)
    by CoralGables on Sun Jan 17, 2010 at 10:56:03 PM EST
    works for me :)

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    Another trespass.... (none / 0) (#81)
    by kdog on Mon Jan 18, 2010 at 10:16:35 AM EST
    causes JFK to be shut down.  Linkage

    Terrorists win again, with a TSA assist.

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