Sunday Morning Football Open Thread

My NFL picks: J-E-T-S! JETS! JETS! JETS! (+3.5) over the Tom Bradys; the Brett Favres (-10) over Detroit; the 49ers (-1.5) over the Seahawks; the Steelers (-3) over the Bears and in the big one tonight - "America's Team," the Jerry Joneses (-3) will beat my Giants.

This is an Open Thread.

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    This is about a week old (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by CoralGables on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:02:35 AM EST
    but gotta love We're Number 37

    Obama and Paterson (5.00 / 1) (#54)
    by daring grace on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 05:51:35 AM EST
    The president is coming to my neck of the woods today to speak at a local community college. This will be his first chance to rub shoulders with Governor Paterson since all the brouhaha over the weekend about Paterson running for re-election.

    The local paper is betting those shoulders will be, uh, tensed

    In other local buzz people are wondering if former state senate minority leader Joe Bruno (my former state senator) will be belatedly invited to attend. So far, no. But he, in his role as patron of our little area pumped huge amounts of state $$ into the community college and college/business tech collaborative the president is coming here to applaud. So, people are wondering if maybe the WH can overlook Senator/Uncle Joe's (R) impending federal court date and let him bask one last time.

    The betting, of course, is no. I'm a little disappointed. Bruno has a schtick of appearing in local parades for the last 30 years on the back of his horse. I was picturing the moment...

    Bruno Former NYS Senate MAJORITY Leader (none / 0) (#56)
    by daring grace on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 08:36:20 AM EST
    Oooh, how could I make that mistake?

    It was our capitol district's first chance in at least a century I think to feast on the public money gravy train during his regime. People here, Dem and Repub, were SO sad to see him retire...


    Thoughts on the WH trying to muscle Paterson (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 09:55:52 AM EST
    out of NY-Gov? IMO, it's about time; he has no shot, and he's going to sink the ticket.

    Finesse (5.00 / 3) (#9)
    by daring grace on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:27:19 AM EST
    I realize being governor of a state like NY is a big deal/hard to let go of but I can't help but wonder if Paterson couldn't be enticed/coaxed off the ticket (Step away from the edge, Dave...) with some other appointment.

    Of course, first he would have to come to grips with the futility of his position which he clearly isn't grasping yet. Or maybe he is and he wants to use it as leverage for an appointment elsewhere.

    As long as I've been watching politicians their infinite capacity for self-delusion still amazes me.


    To be fair, he was dealt a really bad hand (none / 0) (#12)
    by andgarden on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:30:59 AM EST
    but he didn't play it very well.

    I would be all for giving Paterson a plum appointment somewhere, except that doing so before the next election would throw New York into chaos. There is no Lieutenant Governor, and if Pedro Espada (President Pro Tem of the Senate) ascends to the Governor's chair, the state senate will be deadlocked. Never mind that Espada, recent half-hearted turncoat, would likely be a nightmare as governor.


    Or maybe they reelected Malcom Smith (none / 0) (#14)
    by andgarden on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:34:20 AM EST
    Hard to tell.

    No Likely About It (none / 0) (#20)
    by daring grace on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:57:15 AM EST
    Governor Espada is the karmic roto rooter New York state politics actually has richly earned--not to say we poor New Yorkers. Apocalypse now, indeed.

    Never going to happen unless he gets named Lt Gov which we now know is impossible, right for anyone to be so named at this point?

    I agree with you about Paterson's bad hand. From friends who work in the legislature I'd always heard what a sharp, decent guy he is. But also from the beginning after Spitzer left how really not ready for prime time...


    From the looks of it, Espada could keep (none / 0) (#25)
    by scribe on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:21:43 AM EST
    an entire US Attorney's office occupied all by himself.

    lol!~ (none / 0) (#29)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:43:21 AM EST
    Anything to keep Rudy (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:30:06 AM EST
    out. of. the. race!
    Gawd, that would be the end of my brain, I suspect. One can only handle so many head explosions . . . .

    Yes, that would be quite a campaign. (none / 0) (#45)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 06:09:18 PM EST
    Rudy in drag;  Paterson a drag.

    Paterson busunder (5.00 / 3) (#13)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:31:42 AM EST
    Hey, welcome aboard!

    Was it necessary to deliberately try to humiliate the guy in public as part of the tactic?  If I'm remembering the timeline, he was told over dinner Saturday night, and the story was given (clearly not "leaked," carefully given) to the NYTimes immediately.  Sounds like payback for Patterson's clumsy public hastening of Caroline Kennedy's withdrawal.

    I have to wonder if doing that isn't a potentially fatal misreading of Paterson's temperament.

    I guess it's good to see Rahm is able to throw those razor sharp elbows against somebody other than Howard Dean, but I'd far rather see them used against, oh, say some of the Blue Dogs in Congress.

    This kind of thing goes on all the time, and is often rumored.  But I can't remember the last time the story was given to the major local newspaper at the same time as it is to the weakened pol in question.

    I agree he's toast and he ought to go (although the thought of having to listen to Andrew Cuomo more than we already do for the next four years or so makes me cringe), but the crude (and unnecessary) public humiliation for the sake of what sounds like Rahm's personal pique makes me hope he tells them to go shove it.


    One assumes (none / 0) (#16)
    by Steve M on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:40:51 AM EST
    that if he had said the right things at dinner, there wouldn't have been a leak to the press.  Of course I'm just guessing because yet again, someone has said "hey guys what do you think of X???" without providing a link to X.

    Only about 700 (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:03:53 PM EST
    articles on Google News, so not terribly hard to find, Steve.  And since when is a guy supposed to capitulate instantly to a request like that? I would assume he was angry, defensive, and flat-out refused.  But what else would he be initially, even if he'd already been thinking of it?  Geez, they even took him to dinner in a public place in order to box him in from making a scene.

    Unless your original intent is to humiliate the guy no matter what, you give him a few days to see how things percolate.


    Shrug (none / 0) (#34)
    by Steve M on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:31:01 PM EST
    I went to the front page of the NYT, saw nothing.  Not really that hard to link people to the thing you're asking their opinion on, rather than assuming that surely the whole world has heard the same thing as you.

    I think it's not unreasonable to think that any intelligent person in Paterson's position would already know he was done for, without needing it spelled out.  Surely we all seem to get it intuitively.


    If the WH supported Paterson, (none / 0) (#39)
    by ChiTownDenny on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 02:42:09 PM EST
    I suspect he'd be re-elected governor.  If New York Democrats are like Chicago Democrats, they vote for the Democrat.  Paterson would be re-elected.

    Or even elected.... (none / 0) (#40)
    by ChiTownDenny on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 02:44:56 PM EST

    Nope. Pataki, Giuliani, Javits, Rockefeller. (none / 0) (#46)
    by steviez314 on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 06:11:13 PM EST
    NY Dems will vote for Republicans.

    Maybe not Giuliani this time around, but the right (meaning left) Republican.


    Yep (none / 0) (#47)
    by daring grace on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 06:45:05 PM EST
    And we are in the deep end of serious Paterson exhaustion which might have been mitigated some with his party controlling the legislature if the state senate had actually seemed as if it was under someone's control.

    It's like the malaise the country felt itself in at the end of the Carter years. If a Repub steps up who can convincingly act confident and competent...

    So far, luckily, one isn't there yet, and I still think Rudy might do a Hamletesque pause before running, esp. if he thinks he's going to face Cuomo.


    According to today's NYT, the Gov. sd. the (none / 0) (#66)
    by oculus on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 05:07:08 PM EST
    "right" things at dinner but sd. the "wrong" things in public later.  What a hit piece though. NYT

    If Paterson becomes too difficult (none / 0) (#17)
    by andgarden on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:42:26 AM EST
    Obama can convene a presser with Schumer to endorse Cuomo for Governor. But that's essentially the nuclear option.

    True, but once started (5.00 / 2) (#32)
    by KeysDan on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 12:27:56 PM EST
    Obama and Rahm  now need to follow through on it--whatever that takes. The sledge hammer tactic has already made another fine  New York mess that will be hard to tidy up with a morbidly wounded politician still on their hands.  

    It's not being handled well (none / 0) (#18)
    by Cream City on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:42:37 AM EST
    by the WH, from the stories I'm seeing.  It looks just, well, tacky to deal with the guy this way -- a guy who seems like a nice guy, but nice guys always finish last in the rough and tumble of Rahm Emmanuel-style politics.

    But I'm not a New Yorker, and those in the state closer to the situation and the story here seem to see it as Obama coming to their rescue.


    Paterson's approvals are in the 20s (none / 0) (#19)
    by andgarden on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:46:27 AM EST
    but there still a lot of potential damage that could be done in a primary.

    Oh Yeah (none / 0) (#21)
    by daring grace on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:02:42 AM EST
    If you read and believe the Times article, there's some lingering animus in the AA community over Cuomo's initial intention to primary challenge Carl McCall and his late departure from that race.

    Heck, it's taken me a while to forgive him for that. Though I tend to hold grudges in my head and vote pragmatically sans grudge.

    All New York Dems need now is to have Andy primary challenge Paterson and beat him and then let's see if Obama's got the juice to get out the AA vote in the general. Maybe, maybe, but why run the risk and waste the energy.

    It's a fascinating (nail biting) mess with so many competing undercurrents.


    The overriding consideration (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:07:51 AM EST
    is that the Dems need to keep the state senate. But really it would be a disaster to lose any office in New York.

    Funny. The neighbors girlfriend came out (none / 0) (#3)
    by SOS on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:03:34 AM EST
    this morning and I heard her say . .

    I'm not into football! He said, Why not?

    And she said . . BECAUSE IT'S STUPID!!!!

    LOL smart chick. She did leave we'll see if she comes back.

    I don't know, BTD... (none / 0) (#4)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:12:25 AM EST
    I have a feeling that Rex Ryan's going to be eating some humble pie this afternoon, and Mark Sanchez is going to be eating some dirt.

    I like Rex - he coached my Baltimore Ravens to a fare-thee-well - but I think he's letting his long-awaited and too-long denied head coaching job go to his head a little bit.  And you know Belichick and Brady will be looking to wipe the smirk off Rex's face...

    Meanwhile, I have no idea what to think about the Ravens-Chargers game; Chargers are banged up, and barely squeaked one out against Oakland, so they may be looking to prove something today.

    One thing's for sure: Matt Ryan may be Matty Ice, but Joe Flacco is the real-deal Joe Cool: nothing fazes him.

    Will be missing the Pats-Jets game to have lunch with a long-time friend, but maybe I will be home in time to see the last little bit of it.

    Good luck!

    I'm hoping it's Brady (none / 0) (#10)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:28:27 AM EST
    that's eating dirt {grin}

    Our D should put up some good D. So far, the Jets feel dif this year, it's early yet . . . and I should know better . . . but one can hope!

    Sanchez seems to have a good head on his shoulders and feet (and an arm) to match. Looked good on 3rd downs last week . . .


    There's no question that the Jets' (none / 0) (#23)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:14:01 AM EST
    defense should take a big leap under Ryan, and I think he will be good for Sanchez, too.  This is a coach coming off a great year with a rookie QB who stepped into a starting role because he had to, whether or not he was ready; I guess the question is, can and will history repeat itself with Sanchez, or are the Jets still not a complete enough team to make it work?

    As much as I cannot abide the Patriots, I can't help feeling that Ryan is cruising for a bruising this week - he's really tempting fate, I think, and maybe discounting the effect it will have on New England.


    Just keep in mind, Jets fans (none / 0) (#26)
    by scribe on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:30:30 AM EST
    that this is all a work of the Football Gods building you all up only to send your hopes crashing in flames on the ground, come about week 15 or so.

    Remember last year the joy that reigned in NY when Favre - Fare! - was the QB, and that tedious, slow-armed Pennington was summarily sent off to Miami?  The then the ecsatsy that gripped J-E-T-S  fans everywhere when Brady Went Down?  The talk of Super Bowl was Everywhere.  The anticipation was palpable.

    And then the little things started weighing down on that balloon of hope.

    Some guy named Cassel started his first game since high school, and the Pats refused to make like lawn furniture in New England, and would not fold up and get put away in October.

    Pennington found arm strength and started throwing 40 yard darts to people Tuna hired in Fishtown.

    And Favre started showing the signs of age, right alongside the evidence of ego outshouting all other sense, and forced his way to start all the games last year, worthless arm and all.  And the J-E-T-S lied on their injury reports, to the tune of a huge fine (though not as big as Belicheat's) to the league.

    And all that seemed so promising, died a slow, painful death come December when the J-E-T-S could only win once eliminated.

    This year, as someone said, after one game Mark Sanchez is Joe Namath and Current Coach Ryan is Buddy Ryan.

    You know what will happen - the J-E-T-S will fail, but in a way that is simultaneously slow, painful, and low-percentage-of-happening.


    Oh, you are so (none / 0) (#30)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:46:14 AM EST
    not fun! {grin}

    yeah, we know! lol!~ but we still have fun ;) and I'm still diggin' on Sanchez!


    This is not some idle rubbing-noses-in-dirt (none / 0) (#35)
    by scribe on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:36:20 PM EST
    exercise but rather the distillation of over 40 years of watching football, and of seeing the J-E-T-S time and again promise more than they can (or do) deliver, and deliver their fans time and again results that leave them a crumpled heap in a corner, twitching, moaning and gently bemoaning why it is that Fate Mocks Them.

    That franchise is snake-bit, and there's no escaping that.

    And you know it, too.

    I recall, a few years ago, walking the streets of Manhattan near Central Park one cold weekend afternoon, shortly before the J-E-T-S were scheduled to meet my Stillers in the AFC Championship game.  Dressed casually, I was wearing my tried, true and trusty Steelers ballcap.  Coming the other way, a guy wearing a Jets cap.

    Mr. J-E-T-S gave the impression of fulfilling the role of "X" in following proportional relationship:

    X : : Rick Moranis' tax accountant in Ghostbusters as Rick Moranis' tax accountant in Ghostbusters : : Mark Sanchez.

    Seeing my Stillers hat, Mr. J-E-T-S summoned all his manliness and said, in a stereotypically whiny, nebbish Noo Yawk accountant's voice:"  "you guys are goin' down."  To which I responded:  "Hah.  We'll see."

    You all know how that came out.


    It was good to be a J-E-T-S fan (none / 0) (#36)
    by rdandrea on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:55:36 PM EST
    during the 1968-69 season.

    I cut my football teeth on (none / 0) (#37)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:56:00 PM EST
    old school Raiders (and Biletnikoff catches it on the elbow!) and the 80's 9ers. (oh alright, my first football crush was Roman Gabriel!) I'll take my wacky J-E-T-S over Big Blue any day  ;)

    I predict the J-E-T-S will turn their past around and become a contender for years to come. Why you ask? I'm moving back to Ca!! lol!~


    In case anyone is keeping score (none / 0) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:14:13 AM EST
    I am 9-6 (60% winning percentage) against the spread this season with my college picks and last week I was 3-2 (also 60%, see, I can do percentages) against the spread with my NFL picks.

    i have a dollar (none / 0) (#31)
    by english teacher on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 12:10:24 PM EST
    that says miami plays for the national championship this year as long as their qb stays healthy.  they will trash oklahoma in two weeks and lock themselves into the top 5.  and i am not a 'canes fan, i just think they are that good.

    The POTUS was on all your TVs this morning (none / 0) (#6)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:20:33 AM EST
    I don't watch Sunday Talk shows anymore so you are on your own as to what he said.

    I turned them on and found (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:25:03 AM EST
    them to be very un-annoying . . . perhaps it's because I was reading and missed it all? lol!~

    From the clips I saw (5.00 / 2) (#15)
    by gyrfalcon on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:34:51 AM EST
    it was the usual stuff.  He was relaxed and charming, but didn't appear to have anything new to say and wasn't particularly forceful on HCR, which was supposed to be the reason for doing the Full Ginsburg to begin with, so I'm not sure what the point was.

    Welllll, (none / 0) (#41)
    by ChiTownDenny on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 02:48:34 PM EST
    He did state mandates are not "taxes"!!!!  Take that, George Steph!

    Then he hasn't read the Baucus bill (5.00 / 3) (#42)
    by scribe on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 03:07:15 PM EST
    because it clearly states that, if you don't do the mandate (i.e., don't pay money to a private insurance company), you get hit with an "excise tax".

    Yup. (none / 0) (#43)
    by ChiTownDenny on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 04:16:58 PM EST
    Perhaps I should have added a "snark" alert.

    My Sunday mornings are ever so much (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:19:34 AM EST
    nicer since I stopped watching the talking heads.  In fact, I find myself keeping the tv off more and more, and find it is relaxing not to have the constant chatter going on in the background.

    Besides, if it weren't for the fact that I am getting ready to go out to lunch, I would still be sitting outside enjoying what has to be one of the most beautiful days we've had in quite some time; could it get any better to be able to sit out on the deck and eat breakfast and read the paper, and then sit back and just marvel at the cloudless blue sky, listen to the birds and feel the sun on your face, and hear the whisper of the breeze in the trees?

    I don't think so!


    I'd be very very happy (none / 0) (#7)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 10:22:50 AM EST
    with the Jets and '9ers winning! :)

    I do believe the Hawks (none / 0) (#27)
    by imhotep on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:38:01 AM EST
    will outlast the '9ers. ;-))

    Seems it was a rare Sunday (none / 0) (#51)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 07:27:38 PM EST
    and I'm one happy camper! :)

    Wyden: 200 Million Americans would have no choice (none / 0) (#28)
    by Exeter on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 11:43:07 AM EST
    Most Americans would be stuck with their current insurance plan and would not have the ability to choose their insurance plan-- private or public.  Therefore, the pancea "public option" is really only available to tiny franction of the population.

    Somebody lit a fire (none / 0) (#38)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 01:57:02 PM EST
    under the J-E-T-S offense . . lol!~

    A nail-biter in San Diego, but (none / 0) (#48)
    by Anne on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 06:47:21 PM EST
    my Ravens hang tough, Ray Lewis comes through on a do-or-die 4th down play, the Steelers lose to Chicago, we're having beef tenderloin for dinner tonight: it just doesn't get any better than this...

    Da Bears! (none / 0) (#49)
    by ruffian on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 07:22:14 PM EST
    Now I know what they mean by the term "franchise quarterback" that I've been hearing all pre-season. Tuned in late, but in time to see those last Bears drives. Haven't seen an offense clicking on all cylinders in a long time.

    But it's the Bears, so it probably won't last.

    Emmy's (none / 0) (#50)
    by ruffian on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 07:24:15 PM EST
    I won't do any awards spoilers, but the the opening number is actually worth watching! I think they got actual professional songwriters to write it, and Neal Patrick Harris is great!

    I thought NPH (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by nycstray on Sun Sep 20, 2009 at 07:29:44 PM EST
    was good when he did the Tony awards. Glad to see him on Emmy night.

    ugh (none / 0) (#55)
    by CST on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 08:18:32 AM EST
    that was a depressing game.  Although the optimist in me can see a silver lining.  The defense wasn't bad, and I can't imagine the offense will be off like that for the whole season.  Eventually they'll get it together.  Hopefully in time to make/win the playoffs.  Right Tom????

    Your boy Tom Brady... (none / 0) (#57)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 09:15:39 AM EST
    looked more like Cindy Brady yesterday...what a defensive performance by Gang Green!  Darelle Revis might be the best corner in the league.

    And the Sanchise did just enough...nice bounce back from a rough first half.

    A beautiful Monday morn' in the Apple:)


    weather is nice at least (none / 0) (#59)
    by CST on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 09:29:07 AM EST
    after the game I went on a long dog-walk with my buddy.  We were discussing the game and how it's always hard to bounce back from a loss, even as a fan.  For some reason that's more true with football than any other sport, maybe because there are so few games and each one is a battle.  However, after the crushing SB loss to the giants a few years ago at the end of the soul-searing almost-perfect season, there was a kind of cathartic release where I think we realized it's just too exhausting to be that invested in something you have no control over.

    Long story short, we managed to enjoy the rest of the day anyway.

    But yea, Tom B and co. were certainly not on their best form, and didn't get any help from the Jets D.  Last week I said it would be the offense that struggled this season.  The Pats D was fairly solid, but Tom just isn't Tom yet.


    Welker being out... (none / 0) (#60)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 09:45:14 AM EST
    was huge for the Jets, imo.  He's Brady's go to guy on blitzes...and boy was there alotta blitzin'...Brady looked lost without Wes.

    You guys need to find a running game or you could be in for a long year...take some of the pressure of Brady till he finds his mojo...dare I say Belicheck got out-coached yesterday?

    As a lifelong Jets fan I should know the folly of getting too invested and getting your heart stomped on, but here I am sucked in again...bring on the Titans!

    I'm glad it didn't ruin your day...it salvaged mine after a last second loss in my rec leauge game, I let my man catch the go-ahead touchdown, keeping us from completing a two-game sweep.  I let the guys down:(


    Dick "The Undertaker" Jauron (none / 0) (#62)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 12:31:22 PM EST
    take note: the Jets - Pats game proved what a huge difference a daring, pressure-bringing defensive scheme can make against a great pocket passer with limited mobility.

    Your boys looked pretty good yesterday, kdog.

    Jauron and his defensive coordinator need to watch that game film every night for a week or so.


    Damn good... (none / 0) (#63)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 12:47:25 PM EST
    the defense has me wetting my pants...they stay healthy they could be very special.

    Your boys bounced back nicely yesterday...the Bucs look really bad, but a win is a win.  But I think Jauron is beyond help...how does he still have a job, I wonder.


    Old man Potter (none / 0) (#64)
    by jondee on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:38:55 PM EST
    likes him cuz he comes cheap and with a wide, close-mouthed company-man streak.

    That said, I hear he's a very nice man and has a suprisingly good singing voice (just to end on a positive note)


    Of course... (none / 0) (#65)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 04:47:27 PM EST
    I make no judgement of Dick Jauron the human being, I'm sure he's a lovely man, just Dick Jauron the piss-poor head coach.

    Same for T.O...surely a nice guy, but I rather enjoyed seeing that perfectly thrown Edward's deep ball sailing right through his wide open hands...he's no Lee Evans that guy:)


    Handicapping Totals (none / 0) (#58)
    by CoralGables on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 09:24:17 AM EST
    all good handicappers need a tally of their picks for when the locals rush out to their Sunday morning bookie (for entertainment purposes only)....Big Tent's Season Totals for the NFL against the spread:

    Week 1: 3-2
    Week 2: 2-2-1
    Totals: 5-4-1

    We'll need Kdog to do the money figuring after throwing in the standard vig, but off to a winning start against the spread to begin the season.

    10% Industry Standard Vig... (none / 0) (#61)
    by kdog on Mon Sep 21, 2009 at 10:22:24 AM EST
    for entertainment purposes only of course:)