Monday Night TV and Open Thread

While waiting for Weeds to start, my TV remote landed on ABC and a concert by Sugarland, who I think are great. They were singing Genevieve,the song in the video above, and I couldn't believe how much it sounded like Long Black Veil. The chords, the tempo, everything. The singing starts at 35 seconds in. Check out the three versions of Long Black Veil below, one with Johnny Cash, one with The Band, and one with Bruce Springsteen: [More...]

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    In the world of classical music, this morning (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 08:57:54 PM EST
    I very much enjoyed attending a chamber music coaching workshop with the marvelous pianist John Kimura-Parker coaching three young conservatory students in a Dvorak piano trio movement.  The violinist(student of Jimmy Lin), cellist, and pianist (students at Juilliard) were each extremely talented musicians.  This was their first experience performing chamber music together.  

    Always a fascinating (5.00 / 2) (#49)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:20:37 PM EST
    thing to hear, I think.  The summer I was a student at Tanglewood, I mostly quit going to the classes I was supposed to have (lousy part of the program, so not worth the time) and just went to every student and professional rehearsal of anything I could and listened.  Bernstein was there most of that summer, and listening to him coach the conducting fellows in how to rehearse the student orchestra was both revelatory and incredibly life-affirming.

    Lucky you! (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:25:25 PM EST
    Lucky me, indeed (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:28:04 PM EST
    Per Reuters, Bill Clinton is en route (5.00 / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:01:35 PM EST
    to North Korea to try and negotiate release of two U.S. journalists.  

    Seems to me that if they're sending him (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:11:10 PM EST
    it's a done deal. Sounds like a propaganda coup for the administration.

    Who's "they"? (none / 0) (#5)
    by Idearc on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:16:31 PM EST
    The Obama Administration (none / 0) (#6)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:17:18 PM EST
    They would have to approve this.

    It's interesting as HIllary Clinton (none / 0) (#7)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:18:10 PM EST
    made a rather in-your-face statement to N. Korea and is now, I gather, sending the Big Dawg to work it out.

    And she (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:00:45 PM EST
    sent Kyle Blanks to San Diego

    Yes (none / 0) (#30)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:02:49 PM EST
    I think Obama is using Smart Power, Bill and Hillary are cool with it too.

    As much hooohaa as came out of Hillary's 'boxing the ears' type statements as her somehow losing it, I believe that Obama has it all worked out.

    The only place he has fallen on his face with is Saudi Arabia. They called him out for trusting Israel. They did not approve of Ross.


    Map (5.00 / 1) (#4)
    by andgarden on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:11:45 PM EST
    of the day. Note the year, note the issue, and draw your own conclusions.

    40% voted no (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 05:45:30 AM EST
    that's what stands out to me.

    yup (none / 0) (#69)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 06:31:10 AM EST
    I don't understand (none / 0) (#73)
    by CST on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 09:00:11 AM EST
    how this was even on the ballot - wouldn't the provision have been gone already?

    Not that surprising, it wasn't until the 90's that the majority of America thought it was "ok".  Still depressing though.


    I Have Learned (5.00 / 0) (#13)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:34:47 PM EST
    That it is not a good idea to use the term PUMA. Better to use less loaded language like the people who voter for Hillary and would not vote for Obama whose heads are exploding because the big dog is working for Obama.

    It is also useless to use the words cultist in a derogatory fashion. Instead of either opening a dialogue or delivering a stinging blow it becomes a talking point that begets another taking point which gets boring and is counterproductive.

    Except that so many orginal Hillary supporters (none / 0) (#17)
    by shoephone on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:42:25 PM EST
    did vote for Obama in November. (Myself included.)

    Facts. So confusing. (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by oculus on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:43:01 PM EST
    And I (none / 0) (#27)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 09:57:31 PM EST
    OK (none / 0) (#31)
    by squeaky on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:04:44 PM EST
    How about: the people who voter for Hillary and said that they would not vote for Obama.

    I can't be classified as (5.00 / 1) (#33)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:11:53 PM EST
    someone that said never. If I remember correctly it took me about 12 hours (maybe a little less) to realize that any Dem is better than any Republican in the White House right now. I flipped so fast I was regularly lambasted as an Obama shill.

    I voted for Obama (5.00 / 1) (#64)
    by otherlisa on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 03:39:14 AM EST
    I didn't like him when I voted for him. I don't like him now. He's turning out pretty much exactly the way I thought he would.

    I find it ironic that a lot of progressives voted for him because they thought he would be better on foreign policy than that hawk Hillary. I figured they were pretty much the same on foreign policy.

    I liked her better on domestic policy. I still maintain we'd be better off with her policies than his.

    The biggest disappointment with him, to me, has been his continuation/coverup of Bush's anti-Constitutional terror policies. I don't know whether HRC would have been better or not. Her vote against FISA was a pleasant surprise. I'd like to think she would have been better, but who knows?

    It's tragic to me that we had a President with a real mandate for progressive change, and he's p1ssing it away with corporatist giveaways and right-wing appeasement.

    Oh well.


    is it possible (none / 0) (#34)
    by The Last Whimzy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:13:13 PM EST
    there were Obama supporters who would have never voted for Hillary?

    Some (5.00 / 0) (#35)
    by CoralGables on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:14:46 PM EST
    would have acted the same way initially, and the vast majority would have come to their senses also.

    that's what i would hope (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by The Last Whimzy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:16:39 PM EST
    but i remember obama made such an observation about his own supporters pretty early in the campaign.

    something like he believed all of her supporters would support him, but not all of his supporters would support her.

    anyone remember obama saying something like that?


    Sure did (5.00 / 0) (#51)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:25:24 PM EST
    And worth bearing in mind that the Hillary supporters' long-lasting anger was far less about Obama than it was about the gross and undemocratic manipulation of the process.

    What manipulation? (5.00 / 0) (#54)
    by Idearc on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:32:14 PM EST
    and by whom?

    I have to disagree about those who were angry.  Most of the people over at MYDD and Confluence were angry at Obama directly.  That said the overwhelming number of Clinton supporters voted for Obama, especially after Palin scared the hell out of them.  


    i can't prove manipulation (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by The Last Whimzy on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:48:38 PM EST
    but it's a matter of record two large states were disenfranchised until the race was over.  and then there was a rather embarrassing attempt to negotiate results so it could be said, in the end, they were re-enfranchised.

    and most people can see for themselves which candidate benefitted from these events, and which did not.


    Does the name (none / 0) (#55)
    by gyrfalcon on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:41:58 PM EST
    Donna Brazile ring a bell at all?

    Look, if you missed the whole brouhaha, I'm not going to rehash it for you.


    can you provide a limited summary (none / 0) (#56)
    by Idearc on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:45:34 PM EST
    I really don't know anything about Donna Brazile.

    If you don't want to provide a small summary, can you at least post a link to a discussion (anything from this site would be good), something for me to sink my teeth into.


    Use the search box (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by gyrfalcon on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 01:05:37 AM EST
    Thank you Squeaky (none / 0) (#45)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:53:41 PM EST
    I guess Idearc missed my warning yesterday not to call people PUMA's and Obamabots as insults to other posters here. Idearc, thanks for ruining the thread, it's now been cleaned.

    I didn't do that (none / 0) (#46)
    by Idearc on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 10:58:36 PM EST
    I never called anyone a PUMA.  Not a single person.

    I asked what will the PUMAs think.  Some people responded directly, some people said who cares what they think.

    No name calling occurred.  Not in this thread.


    You are playing games and (5.00 / 2) (#47)
    by Jeralyn on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:06:52 PM EST
    intentionally pushing buttons. Do it elsewhere, please. It's almost trollish.

    I just went through my comment history (none / 0) (#48)
    by Idearc on Mon Aug 03, 2009 at 11:12:23 PM EST
    and I have never insulted someone as a PUMA or an obamabot.  Never.

    And the last time I posted was on Friday.

    So who ever you admonished yesterday, over the word PUMA wasn't me.  


    it wasn't directed to anyone in particular (5.00 / 0) (#59)
    by Jeralyn on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 12:41:14 AM EST
    It was addressed to all commenters as the result of a comment spat between two commenters. I wrote:

    Open threads are not invitations to bully, name-call or personally attack or accuse other posters of personal misconduct. This blog has never tolerated these things.

    ....Whoever makes a thread uncomfortable to read through, overly personal or intimidating to others who might want to comment but don't want to be ridiculed, will be suspended.

    And while I'm at it, the elections are over. You may not call people cult-like, PUMAs, Obamabats, etc. Those are being used in a derogatory fashion by some here. Disagree with the idea, don't trash the person posting.

    Okay. I accept your apology (2.00 / 1) (#60)
    by Idearc on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 12:44:43 AM EST
    I hesitate to offer (5.00 / 4) (#63)
    by otherlisa on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 03:33:01 AM EST
    medical advice, but i think going cold turkey on pain meds can be an issue. Maybe step back and taper off? And do this under a doctor's supervision?

    Happy Birthday President Obama (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 05:59:10 AM EST
    If indeed, you were born.

    Whoa. (5.00 / 1) (#70)
    by Fabian on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 07:02:13 AM EST
    No advice except for definitely go see your doctor ASAP.

    And make sure you aren't having any other symptoms.  And write everything you can think of down - when you stopped, how much you were taking, when the symptoms started.  If you were taking anything else - ANYTHING - aspirin, anti acids, nutritional supplements, recreational/other drugs.

    Weeds (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 05:39:48 AM EST
    Did Weeds come dangerously close to jumping the shark last night? In fact I am afraid they may have provoked a new phrase for the phenomenon.  Ewwww.....

    I hope you talked to a doctor about this (none / 0) (#68)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 06:22:30 AM EST

    One of my favorites (none / 0) (#71)
    by joze46 on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 07:15:04 AM EST
    One of my favorites is the Byrd's yes for me a melancholy mood listening to this music, and always to me, Johnny Cash was born to sing a message from the history of souls who didn't understand life.

    But, here is a cut from the Byrd's that I like


    This song called turn turn turn could likely profile what America wanted way back then an interesting thing is the lyrics according to Google are straight out of King James Bible. Now America turning the page in history, or trying too but blocked at every turn. Perhaps the vision,  there is a time for every thing relates to us. It is now.

    Oh yes these guys are clear smokes or indulged in getting high but looking back at the genius of how they applied their time to bring out through personal ideals think through convolution to be able to sift out such great music word sound combinations is tribute to powerful effect that drugs did create a catalyst in the sensitivities for the good of a culture. But we should never ignore the dark side of distortion keeping with the ability to come out of chaos rather then to submit to it. Chaos and fear is the moment of change. As Obama's Chief of staff said but sensationalized as the wrong time by those of the GOP clear are panicked that this time will diminish their power especially money, with revealed corruption.

    Whats really funny to me is the Conservative media keeps shooting themselves in to head by playing sixties songs, between breaks, or in the background, or as theme songs, or even just rock or pop then rant about being Conservative. Yet the GOP method of Conservative is far from sharing. Heck the rant of cutting taxes is now turning moot to sour, if that is the case, just stop tax collection for a couple of months. But that will definitely stop the free tax dollars of corruption.  We see by the dilemma we are in clearly established by the Bush administration though by in your face false rhetoric twisted to blame Obama. The original bail out money initialized by Bush was and is clearly nothing more than "Cut and Run" politics in your face covered up by our boob media.

    Hey Mr. Tambourine Man sings a song for me. One part something about the boot heel needing to stop wondering...makes me reflect on the time and I do well up listening to it.  


    Long Black Veil... (none / 0) (#72)
    by kdog on Tue Aug 04, 2009 at 08:13:45 AM EST
    man o' man what a tune...and a criminal justice sub-theme, I don't how anybody can listen to that song and still support the death penalty.