Late Night Open Thread: Caroline's Tribute to Teddy

Caroline Kennedy's tribute to Teddy Kennedy at tonight's memorial service in Boston was my personal favorite.

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    She was wonderful (5.00 / 3) (#1)
    by gyrfalcon on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 01:12:26 AM EST
    I can't get over it.  This is who I thought she was, and then thought I was totally wrong with the NY Senate seat debacle.  I'm SO glad to see I was right to begin with and that the NY mess was an aberration.

    She really brought it home to me (5.00 / 3) (#7)
    by ruffian on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 06:28:30 AM EST
    in just a few minutes what it must be like to live a very private life and a very public one at the same time. Not many would be able to speak so personally and naturally in a room with friends and family, knowing it was also being broadcast to millions.

    I don't know if she would be a good pol, but she seems to be an wonderful niece, sister, cousin, wife and mother. That is hard enough.


    I'd vote for her! (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 07:15:23 AM EST
    I've listened to her on interviews with Charlie Rose and others over the years and she's always impressed me with her intelligence, commitment and quiet determination. As a politician I do think she would have been a reliable voice for Democratic Party values. (Something that is sorely lacking today).

    She was -- but her shyness (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:20:21 AM EST
    was so evident again, and she mentioned her aversion to public speaking.  Of course, many of us overcome it if we have to do so -- but it only brought home to me again that she is a very private person, understandably, who could be uncomfortable in the media glare and constant public scrutiny.

    Most of all, though, I was happy to hear that thanks to Senator Kennedy, she managed to have a happy childhood.  What an uncle -- and surrogate father -- he was.


    Talk is cheap (none / 0) (#33)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:45:28 AM EST
    I'm coming to the conclusion that talking a good game doens't always equate to playing a good game! Right now I'd trade two talkers for one doer any day.

    Ted did an incredable job at stepping in when John, Robert and John Jr passed away.


    Yes, he did, and I think he improved with (none / 0) (#35)
    by Inspector Gadget on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:59:02 PM EST
    the years.

    Jackie moved her children overseas to avoid the limelight. It was rare to see a photo of them, or to hear they were in the US. Even when Caroline inherited the JFK house at the Kennedy compound, she sold it to Ted because she preferred the privacy of her mother's summer home.



    Wonderful. (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by shoephone on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 02:36:56 AM EST
    She really gave a vocal time capsule of who Ted was as a family man and an American. Those were the roles that were most important to him. He was surrogate father to them all, their glue and, undoubtedly, the leader of the pack. I keenly felt her own loss as she spoke and her understated way of delivering it was perfectly Caroline.

    It's sad to realize that, except for Jean, that entire generation of Kennedys, the siblings who contributed so much and gave us such hope, are gone.

    Reflection (5.00 / 1) (#14)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:09:27 AM EST
    I think what's saddened me the most since the death of Ted Kennedy is the uncertainty of the future of the Democratic Party.

    Idealism, vision  and principles seem to have gotten lost in the new generation of Democratic politicians.

    Look at how the party has handled Iraq, civil liberties and now HCR. (Just to name a few). Rather than stand up, they consistantly chose to run and hide.

    Now we've lost one of the few voices that was able and willing to  remind his fellow Democrat's what the party stands for.

    I just don't see any in the House or Senate that will be able to step up and fill that void.

    I miss Teddy (2.00 / 0) (#5)
    by otherlisa on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 03:44:56 AM EST
    EVeryone's life is a mix of good and bad deeds. On the whole, it's about where the balance lies. And regardless of his failings, on the whole, he did far more good than harm.

    Poignant. I am watching it now. (none / 0) (#2)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 01:57:51 AM EST

    I think that post (none / 0) (#9)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 07:23:14 AM EST
    does violate site rules... don't speak ill of the dead.

    that comment has been deleted and (none / 0) (#24)
    by Jeralyn on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:54:29 AM EST
    the commenter, who has never posted here before, banned. It does indeed violate site rules.

    Touching and strong (none / 0) (#11)
    by Coral on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 08:19:59 AM EST
    Now I'm sorry that she didn't become the NY Senator. I wonder who will step up to be the next voice of progressivism in the Senate.

    Please forgive me this one time... (none / 0) (#13)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 09:08:27 AM EST
    This is my first comment on Talkleft. It will take me a little time to learn how to navigate around here. I hope I can bring some constructive dialog while I am here. Many new user names to learn... some I may know from other blogs. I look forward to reading posts that will probably have information I can not find elsewhere. Thanks again, all.

    welcome. (none / 0) (#16)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:03:09 AM EST
    this is a great site, with some really inelligent people. Excellent civil discussion, usually!

    Thanks, Jeffinalabama... (none / 0) (#17)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:08:45 AM EST
     I actually had a question concerning 'the politics of crime' but did not want to hijack this thread to address it. Is there an open thread where I might be able to get some help?

    This an open thread n/t (none / 0) (#18)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:14:05 AM EST
    Thanks, MileHi... (none / 0) (#21)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:41:43 AM EST
      Simply put... I accidently engaged with a troll on another site (I know, I know). The story was about the vandalism of the Democratic Headquarters in Denver. Before the dust had settled on the story, I suggested that this kind of activity could easily be attributable to conservatives with an ax to grind in light of the election of Obama. When the story unfolded a little more, I acknowledged my error in judgement and apologized for it. The troll then suggested that election related crimes were most often committed by liberals and cited three examples. One of which was the Black Panther case of intimidation at a polling place. (I could argue about the Panthers being liberal) (S)he asked me to provide examples of similar events where conservatives had been responsible for violence against persons or property. The examples I was to produce could not include voter intimidation in the south(?!) I have not been able to put together a cogent reply to an incoherent request but at the same time have not been able to just write it off to being sucked in to a stupid arguement in the first place. Any thoughts?

    Hmmm. (5.00 / 1) (#30)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:21:19 AM EST
    I guess I don't understand how the recent events at the CO DNC headquarters would be classified as an "election related crime".  

    There was no election to be interfered with, nobody was deprived of their right to vote. Rather, this was an act of senseless act of violence committed by a couple of anarchists.  Not liberals, not progressives, not Democrats, but people whos ultimate goal is having no government at all.    

    While true anarchism stems from leftist, socialist philosophy--ideals anathema to the far right--at least on the surface, both ends of the ideological spectrum have similarly anarchistic goals of individual self-rule obtained through the eradication of the government.

    Are the window smashers really any different from those on the right who openly carry weapons at town hall meetings?  

    Now, if you really want get into the whole "your side is worse" arguement and how to respond to RW trolls, I suggest going here.


    Thanks, (none / 0) (#32)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:33:22 AM EST
    The coloradopol is pretty much what I was looking for. Good stuff.

    CREEP break in of Watergate. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:57:18 AM EST
    TNX, oculus... (none / 0) (#31)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:23:56 AM EST
    (scribbles down some more notes) You guys are a great help. Looking forward to posting around here in the future.

    Talkleft was/is a legal site... (none / 0) (#19)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:17:09 AM EST
    Jeralyn and BTD (who am I forgetting? Chris? ) are lawyers who let us peruse here!

    and as usual I can't spell... (none / 0) (#20)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:19:03 AM EST
    intelligent* I need new glasses, or to use phrases like 'wicked smart.'

    Sometimes my spelling ain't so hot either.. (none / 0) (#22)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:50:19 AM EST
    I look for content rather than spelling, syntax, typos and so on. Sometimes misspelling on purpose can have a humorous effect, doncha know.

    Murders at family planning, Operation Rescue (none / 0) (#23)
    by jeffinalabama on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 10:53:50 AM EST
    the demonstrations in florida following the 2000 election, inter alia. Trolls are trolls. Find the actual intimidation cases, and then look at Sunflower Mississippi, among other places, where workers weren't given time by employers to vote, for instance. Look at the Southern Poverty Law Center's web site.

    The truth is out there and relatively easy to find!

    I have bookmarked SPLC... (none / 0) (#27)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:10:37 AM EST
     I will follow up your examples and see if there is something usable there. I hate to waste my time trying to convince anybody of something they will not accept. I have a little bulldog mentality when it comes to these things... just can't let go.

    Possible? (none / 0) (#26)
    by mmc9431 on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:03:30 AM EST
    I'm no lawyer but I think you could also include the violence encouraged or condoned by right wingers in regard to gays.

    From a personal perspective, I've found that I might as well be talking to a wall as try to reason with the unreasonable!  Good luck

    I am a big Mark Twain fan... (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by One Iota on Sat Aug 29, 2009 at 11:14:04 AM EST
    "Do not argue with an idiot. A person passing by may not be able to tell the difference between the two of you."  (words to that effect) TNX, mmc