Naming Names

Bowers does satire of the Great Orange Satan community.

That why I name names. Including Bowers on more than one occasion. BTW. Chris seems to be a nice guy. Met him when we talked with Bill Clinton (now dropping names.)

BTW, it's still Springtime for Hitler.

This is an Open Thread.

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    Robert Novak died today (5.00 / 1) (#2)
    by Inspector Gadget on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:31:39 PM EST
    I hadn't read he had brain cancer diagnosed just over a year ago.

    It happened (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:32:45 PM EST
    when he almost ran someone over with his Vette on K Street. Very sad.

    That is to say, it was diagnosed. (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:33:22 PM EST
    R.I.P to him (none / 0) (#73)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 08:25:14 PM EST
    That has to be a terribly painful way to go.

    argh (5.00 / 5) (#11)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:43:17 PM EST
    The Great Orange Satan makes my head hurt.  

    I have no idea anymore what they're fussing and fighting about all the time. Although I am jealous they have all that time on their hands to do all that fussing and fighting. But that jealousy is almost immediately obliterated with shame, pure shame I tell you at how much time I wasted over there fussing and fighting once upon a time. Just think, had I put that time to better use, my ass wouldn't be the size of Texas.

    I feel (5.00 / 2) (#16)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:49:08 PM EST
    the same. But I'm getting better. I take long breaks from blogging and ignore politics for months at a time. I can really understand a lot of the people who don't think politics matter sometimes.

    I think maybe (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:56:03 PM EST
    If I didn't have to teach so many freshmen, GOS wouldn't just sap my energy like a brain eating zombie anymore. It's like what the hell are those people talking about it anyway?

    I don't mind the politics. It's interesting, in a vaguely "well, so what does the hell this have to do with me anyway?" totally self-interested somewhat arrogant way. But the people, dear doG almighty!


    Now I've (5.00 / 6) (#23)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:04:22 PM EST
    gotten curious I might go over there and have a look around. I just left voluntarily simply because the blog turned into a pack of hyenas.

    Frankly, I think most of the people that are blogging there now (not the front pagers but the posters) are pretty young and brash. Some of the things that were said, my gosh, were horrible over there. It used to not be that bad. You could have a discussion without it turning into something awful.


    Markos himself (5.00 / 6) (#54)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:30:43 PM EST
    started it.

    As an infrequent reader, I was amazed at his arrogance, and abuse towards any reader who disagreed with him. I mean, telling the people who put him where he is to "go pound *%&#," or "why don't you go infect some other blog?"

    And the criticisms were really small, benign tweaks to boot.


    I resemble that (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:45:11 PM EST

    Not really (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:16:06 PM EST
    You'll listen to someone's take on things.  You don't care much for nonsensical arguments though...and you are partial to your sense.  If someone lives by certain standards though and they are true to their beliefs you tend to be very respectful.  When you label me "the women studies" irrelevant party member I'll let you know how much like Markos you are getting to be.

    Big difference IMO (5.00 / 3) (#88)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:36:59 PM EST
    You stuck to facts. Kos made things up during the primary to fuel the flames.

    Yeah, but you (none / 0) (#80)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:33:45 PM EST
    we just laugh at; Markos is mean, grrr.



    I had the impression (5.00 / 3) (#87)
    by cal1942 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:33:02 PM EST
    that Markos fancied himself a kingmaker.

    Impression? (5.00 / 2) (#90)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:59:47 PM EST
    What gave it away? Acting as Earth's only real Deity?

    LOL (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by cal1942 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 11:12:27 PM EST
    certainly helped develop the impression.

    It's the best thing about being on vacation (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by shoephone on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:56:57 PM EST
    Not reading newspapers, not listening to radio news or watching the TV news. When you're hiking along the Columbia River Gorge, the boneheads in D.C. don't even exist.

    Aahh. Cool, clear, water.


    Yep (5.00 / 2) (#24)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:06:29 PM EST
    at the end of July I went to the beach and guess what? I didnt watch the news or anything. It was wonderful!! I only turned on the internet the last day we were there for an hour or so. I've pretty much gotten to where I never watch cable news anymore and it's a liberating thing!!

    I've learned to never, ever (5.00 / 1) (#96)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:04:46 AM EST
    take my laptop with me on vacation. Only very periodic email check-ins at the online cafes.

    Cool, the Gorge is one of (none / 0) (#22)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:58:52 PM EST
    my favorite places. I love that I can head out there for day trips whenever I want.

    Whereabouts were you?


    Two easy hikes (none / 0) (#95)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:02:57 AM EST
    The Multnomah Falls Loop and a sweet little uphill hike near Hood River called The Rowena Plateau Trail that leads to a meadow and a magnificent panoramic view of the Gorge.

    I really want to do the Dog Mountain Trail, but it's rated as "difficult" and with my bad knees and back I think I'd be asking for trouble.


    The best book for day hikes in that area (none / 0) (#97)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:06:47 AM EST
    is called "Curious Gorge" by Scott Cook. It's a must-have.

    Even his satire (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by Maryb2004 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:12:45 PM EST
    comes off as whiney.

    My whines (5.00 / 3) (#27)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:16:20 PM EST
    come off as satire.

    If it's self parody you're talking about (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by The Last Whimzy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:30:21 PM EST
    then make sure to watch 80s concert footage of mick jagger for at least 10 minutes before writing all of your diaries going forward.

    But does wine make you (5.00 / 2) (#98)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:10:08 AM EST
    a satyr?

    Even further (none / 0) (#125)
    by weltec2 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:38:42 PM EST
    to the left... a wine bottle in each hand... hunting recalcitrant Blue Dogs... WAP! SMACK! POW!

    Someone should do ... (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:19:20 PM EST
    this with Dkos.

    The dialog from the video is taken from a message board argument between Doctor Who fans.

    I think this is the best critique of Internet arguments.


    Argh! (none / 0) (#64)
    by Fabian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:43:21 PM EST
    Let's see, the argument goes something like this:

    This Guy used an offensive term to imply hostile fans were mentally handicapped.

    This Guy's defender's main defense is

    "This Guy is awesome!  You can't deny how awesome/accomplished/successful he is! He probably didn't really mean it that way - BTW have I told you that This Guy is much more awesome than you and all of his critics?  Well, let me tell you again - This Guy is much more awesome than his critics are!"

    Ow.  I'll try to remember not to do that.  Awesomeness is not a defense.  (Unless any lawyers know otherwise?)


    Hmmm ... (none / 0) (#93)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 11:17:19 PM EST
    sounds like a lot of political blogs though, doesn't it?

    Definitely. (none / 0) (#104)
    by Fabian on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 06:00:05 AM EST
    I don't usually hear the argument that someone has earned the right to be a condescending, arrogant b@st@rd on political blogs though.  Earned the right?

    Now that my interest has been piqued, I'll be looking for parallels.  Fandom is a strange place, no matter who the fans are - sports, scifi and all others.


    I liked it (none / 0) (#86)
    by magster on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:29:41 PM EST
    there was one diary in particular that hacked me off that I think was the one targeted by Bowers.

    Well (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:20:40 PM EST
    color me shocked. I went over to the orange satan and Laura Clawson actually has a post criticizing Obama for not even trying to twist arms. Of course, some of the posters are angry at her but others are agreeing. Intersesting. Didnt recognize many names though. I guess there must be a whole new group over there.

    It's a change for the better (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Fabian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:39:02 PM EST
    this time.  Most of the Obamafans have either sobered up or left, so there's less reactionary drivel when Obama is criticized.  There's still some saying that the real problem is Congress, which is always true, but it doesn't absolve the President.

    I still visit because some diaries are very educational, once I sift out the garbage.  I learned all the ways you can be abused, neglected and taken advantage of by insurance companies, including one that was jaw dropping.  


    The problem (5.00 / 5) (#43)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:45:53 PM EST
    with congress is the leadership. There's a severe lack of it from either Pelosi or Obama on that account so all the congress people are left to their own desires apparently.

    As someone who used to work in the health insurance industry I have stories that would make you so mad. I simply had to leave because I just couldnt do it anymore and I was stressed out and losing sleep because I cared. You only survive in that industry if you become someone who doesn't care about people.


    In this case (5.00 / 2) (#48)
    by Fabian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:06:58 PM EST
    a woman survived a very dangerous (and expensive) blood cancer, insured through her husband.  The following year, the insurance company added a one million dollar annual surcharge.  When this charge was questioned, the company simply said that as long as the woman was covered, the surcharge would be billed every year.

    The happy ending was that this was successfully fought due to the union having good lawyers and deep pockets.  If it had been a small business instead?  It's easy to see a different outcome.


    I remember when I was the new group there (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:24:54 PM EST
    Then I remember when I wasn't and then I remember when the new new group wasn't.  It is always the perpetual new group thusfar.  Which isn't always a bad thing.

    True (none / 0) (#33)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:28:37 PM EST
    I remember several groups cycling through when I was posting there. There's also large groups of people that leave too. Do you still post there?

    Sometimes (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:38:33 PM EST
    Depends on the current issues.  I posted my Stanely McChrystal questions there a bunch....and then my husband got a job working for him.  I think it's a conspiracy to get me to shut up :)  I find myself swinging by often to check on the IGTNT diaries.  They have such a wonderful group who do those.  I feel I need to pay my respects.  I usually cry a little at the keyboard...it's all worth it though for me so far.  I'm very grateful that as a family we figured out to the best of our abilities how to continue to serve with some sanity under Bush....and I'm deeply grateful to have President Obama at the helm now.  And we don't tell NATO to KMA anymore, we now work with them.  France sent attack helicopters to Afghanistan with us now....that's pretty huge.

    Oh (5.00 / 3) (#40)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:42:23 PM EST
    that's good news. Who isnt glad to be rid of Bush? I am. I'm just sad a lot of times that his policies seem to be outlasting his term as President.

    Me too friend (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:43:12 PM EST
    Me too!

    Like spent fuel rods (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:35:32 PM EST
    Roberts & Alito, or

    Papa's Thomas


    Oh Yeah, almost forgot (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:30:55 PM EST
    Joshua conned his dad into taking him to District 9 last night after he finished his homework in lightening speed (and dad was able to confirm that only exploding people earned the R rating).  Both said it was excellent.  We are probably going to pack everyone up this weekend and go to the drive in so mom and sis can see it and Dad and Josh can reenjoy.

    Today (5.00 / 6) (#42)
    by Steve M on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:45:17 PM EST
    is Audrey's 3rd birthday!  She was so excited about her little cake.  Can't believe she's 3 already.

    Wow (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by Ga6thDem on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:48:27 PM EST
    that's great!!! How is the little one doing?

    Aw, Happy Birthday Audrey! (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:41:45 PM EST
    Such a cute age. Enjoy!

    Yay! Did you teach her to lick the icing (none / 0) (#45)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:50:56 PM EST
    off the bottom of the candles?

    Happy birthday to Audrey! (none / 0) (#46)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:52:59 PM EST
    Wow, three years old. Is she talking up a storm? How are her ball throwing skills?

    Just wait, you (none / 0) (#60)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:37:59 PM EST
    / When I'm 64 \\.......

    Man it goes fast (none / 0) (#84)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:18:51 PM EST
    Our daughter says that with this second one she's going to have a camera going full time because it flies by.  She doesn't feel like she has enough photos or video of the person that used to be Zoe.

    Bowers is going to have a problem IMO (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:35:43 PM EST
    because he's working for Joe Sestak and maintaining his presence on OpenLeft. My guess is that he's going to discredit one or the other in some way.

    Watching last night's Jon Stewart (5.00 / 1) (#68)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:56:10 PM EST
    He has a great montage contrasting the Bush team messaging selling us the Iraq war with the Obama messaging on the public option. "They sold us a war nobody wanted and nobody needed."

    Here's a link.

    Best part starts about 4 minutes in, right after that college id/GOP staffer asks his question. The first part is town hall stuff that I can barely stand to watch anymore.

    You'll laugh, you'll cry.

    I guess there are now some breaking reports (5.00 / 1) (#76)
    by The Last Whimzy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:10:10 PM EST
    PPUS is now under the bus.

    Obama may not be ready to (5.00 / 1) (#94)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 11:53:32 PM EST
    bury the unity pony but he is looking more and more like the only one wanting to keep it alive.

    Good AP article titled "Analysis: Liberals tired of health care compromise" Link

    WASHINGTON - Frustrated liberals have a question for President Barack Obama and Democratic lawmakers: Isn't it time the other guys gave a little ground on health care? What's the point of a bipartisan bill, they ask, if we're making all the concessions?

    Sen. Grassley (R) rewarded agreement to back away from a government plan to compete with private insurers and other concessions by telling an Iowa crowd he would not support a plan that "determines when you're going to pull the plug on Grandma."

    "It is clear that Republicans have decided 'no health care' is a victory for them," Andy Stern, president of the Service Employees International Union, said in an interview. "There is a point at which bipartisanship reaches a limit, and I would say it's reaching that limit."

    Also this is a stronger stand than what I knew the House Dems were taking.

    The continued outreach to Republicans, meanwhile, is testing Democrats' unity. This week, more than 50 House Democrats issued a letter saying: "Any bill that does not provide, at a minimum, for a public option with reimbursement rates based on Medicare rates - not negotiated rates - is unacceptable."

    How the rates are structured has a major impact on the affordability of the  premiums . I though that the House Dems had already negotiated that away.


    You mean the Unity Pony (none / 0) (#78)
    by Spamlet on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:28:19 PM EST
    is off to the knackers?

    As for other breaking news in WA State... (5.00 / 1) (#100)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:24:44 AM EST
    Earlier this evening I saw two TV ads -- paid for by the pharmaceutical industry -- thanking Maria Cantwell "for her hard work on a bipartisan health care bill" and asking us to flood her office with calls of support.

    Really sickening.

    Cantwell will be hearing from me. If you live in WA, I suggest flooding her office with calls for her resignation.

    Just to the south of you, (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by caseyOR on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 05:18:59 AM EST
    in Oregon, the Oregon Republican Party is running TV ads opposing any health care, or insurance, reform. The ads carry the expected fear-mongering nonsense. According to local news, the Repubs here are the only state party doing this.

    Of course, the Oregon Repubs are desperate for anything that will give them the appearance of being relevant in Oregon politics. With Gordon Smith's defeat by Jeff Merkley last November, Congressman Greg Walden is the only Republican holding statewide office. We have not had a Repub governor since the mid-eighties.

    The new Party chair is a bit of a jerk who prides himself on his street fighting skills. Fancies himself a real hardball player. We'll see how far he gets with his attempts at resurrection.


    It seems (none / 0) (#102)
    by Ga6thDem on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 05:14:46 AM EST
    to me that they're really going to look stupid with these ads since apparently the bill isn't going to be "bipartisan".

    This is part (none / 0) (#105)
    by Steve M on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:07:04 AM EST
    of the infamous deal between Obama and the pharmaceutical industry.  They're running ads in support of health care reform.  Not really sure why you think Cantwell should resign over it.

    Barney Frank (5.00 / 1) (#111)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:55:28 AM EST
    makes me laugh - go get 'em Barney! Great response at a town hall meeting.

    While Frank attempted to respond to all questions, he gave up when one woman compared health care proposals favored by Frank and President Obama to policies of Nazi Germany.

    "When you ask me that question, I'm going to revert to my ethnic heritage and ask you a question: On what planet do you spend most of your time?" Frank asked.

    "You stand there with a picture of the president defaced to look like Hitler and compare the effort to increase health care to the Nazis," he said, adding such behavior demonstrated the strength of First Amendment guarantees of what he called "contemptible" free speech.

    "Trying to have a conversation with you would be like trying to argue with a dining room table," Frank said to the woman. "I have no interest in doing it."

    You shoulda seen.... (5.00 / 1) (#112)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:00:47 AM EST
    Fox & Friends ripping Barney over it this morning...an unintentional comedy classic!



    The irony is (5.00 / 1) (#115)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:16:37 AM EST
    I would like to ask the same question of Congress most of the time - "On what planet do you spend most of your time?"

    Me too... (5.00 / 0) (#117)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:22:19 AM EST
    I hope a citizen hits back with that one at the next townhall...file for future use.

    I just hope Barney starts a trend...catering to the stupid must end if this republic is gonna survive.  Lets cater to those with half a brain and up:)


    Well thats one... (5.00 / 0) (#118)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:23:10 AM EST
    rep who was prepared for a day at the office...I hope that catches on too!

    Perhaps, DA. (5.00 / 1) (#119)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:25:53 AM EST
    But, I get the feeling that Barney has little tolerance for teh stoopid and doesn't suffer fools lightly.

    We need more like him.  


    Downgraded the orange satan from great (none / 0) (#1)
    by andgarden on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:30:13 PM EST
    to big?

    Mistake (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:34:19 PM EST
    I'll change it.

    Thank God (none / 0) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:35:55 PM EST
    An opportunity to talk about something irrelevant to basic human needs.  So Southern College sports fans, I live with an opinionated man who claims that I have defiled someone in naming my latest dog.  What he knows about Southern College sports though fits in a thimble.  Joshua likes Auburn, says he's going to college there, so I call my new dog Auburn but her registered name is 'Van Cleves Go Bama'.  Did I defile someone because Mr. Opinions says that any dog named Go Bama is 100% Roll Tide?

    If you are an Auburn fan you did (none / 0) (#9)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:39:35 PM EST
    I'm more like a groupie mom (5.00 / 1) (#13)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:45:18 PM EST
    I buy blue and orange shirts with Tigers on them.  My husband says I should have named her War Eagle.  It's not very girlish though first of all.  Secondly, what do eagles and tigers have to do with each other and why are there no eagles on the shirts?  I can change her name.  The AKC will allow it for a fee of course.  I can do anything right now for a fee.

    Plainsmen? (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:49:16 PM EST
    Not very girlish either . . .

    And what do Plainsmen, War Eagles and Tigers (none / 0) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:09:51 PM EST
    have in common?  Why can't we have one mascot?

    Dress her girl properly and (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by CoralGables on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:42:51 PM EST
    And my argument is that Auburn (none / 0) (#14)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:47:31 PM EST
    is an Alabama University...but he isn't buying it.

    That actually just makes it worse! (5.00 / 1) (#65)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:44:58 PM EST
    Try Rutgers or something!

    A true Auburn fan (none / 0) (#51)
    by coast on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:10:53 PM EST
    would have never purchased a dog with that registered name in the first place.  It would have been a deal breaker.

    Well, ummmm, I named the dog that (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:20:37 PM EST
    And her breeder is in Georgia.  I had to adhere to naming her something that started with a "G".  That is a way that pedigreewise other breeders can keep track of what litter this dog is out in a different line.  So she is out of the seventh litter born in the Van Cleves line. I had to name her something starting with "G" and when I told the Georgia breeder what I was naming her when I picked her up he kept pretending like he couldn't understand the words coming out of my mouth.  I'm thinking he forced himself to nod stupidly because I am a good show home.  I wonder why? :)

    I already have my next 3 dogs named. lol!~ (5.00 / 2) (#61)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:40:42 PM EST
    Wham Bam, Thank You Ma'am (Thym) and Beep Beep

    And yes, I'm planning a pack of 3. Different ages etc.


    Reminds me of names (5.00 / 3) (#70)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 08:08:33 PM EST
    for one of my sibs' golden retrievers.  First one they got, their son named Golly.  So the first of her next litter, the one they kept, they named Gosh By Golly.  I miss Golly.  She was gorgeous and a great mom with prize litters -- including one that set a record with 16 pups, as I recall!  Family and friends signed up in shifts to help be sure that they all got fed somehow.  Even a great mom dog feeding around the clock couldn't keep up with that . . . by Golly. :-)

    Ah, more names come to me (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 08:10:03 PM EST
    that I've enjoyed over the years.  Another family member got a dog and left it to the toddler son to name, so the poor pup became Umbrella.  When it went to that great dog run in the sky, the next dog was an English something-or-other.  So, of course, it became Bumbershoot.

    Isn't it silly? (none / 0) (#85)
    by Militarytracy on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:19:58 PM EST
    I think I have several unborn dogs named.

    Obama "Joker" poster (none / 0) (#7)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:37:02 PM EST
    So, apparently, the person who drew the "Obama as Joker" poster was neither white, nor was a right-wing nut job (and he's from Chicago):

    When cryptic posters portraying President Obama as the Joker from "Batman" began popping up around Los Angeles and other cities, the question many asked was, Who is behind the image?

    Was it an ultra-conservative grassroots group or a disgruntled street artist going against the grain?

    Nope, it turns out, just a 20-year-old college student from Chicago.

    Bored during his winter school break, Firas Alkhateeb, a senior history major at the University of Illinois, crafted the picture of Obama with the recognizable clown makeup using Adobe's Photoshop software.

    Alkhateeb had been tinkering with the program to improve the looks of photos he had taken on his clunky Kodak camera. The Joker project was his grandest undertaking yet. Using a tutorial he'd found online about how to "Jokerize" portraits, he downloaded the October 23 Time Magazine cover of Obama and began digitally painting over it.

    Four or five hours later, he happily had his product.


    Alkhateeb says he wasn't actively trying to cover his tracks, but he did want to lay low. He initially had concerns about ...

    ... connecting his name with anything critical of the president -- especially living in Chicago, where people are "very, very liberal," he said.

    "After Obama was elected, you had all of these people who basically saw him as the second coming of Christ," Alkhateeb said. "From my perspective, there wasn't much substance to him."

    "I abstained from voting in November," he wrote in an e-mail. "Living in Illinois, my vote means close to nothing as there was no chance Obama would not win the state." If he had to choose a politician to support, Alkhateeb said, it would be Ohio Democratic Rep. Dennis Kucinich.


    Regardless, Alkhateeb does agree with the Obama "Hope" artist about "socialism" being the wrong caption for the Joker image. "It really doesn't make any sense to me at all," he said. "To accuse him of being a socialist is really ... immature. First of all, who said being a socialist is evil?"

    Who cares? (5.00 / 1) (#8)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:38:54 PM EST
    It's not even clever.

    Yeah, I don't get it either (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:36:41 PM EST
    Apparently (none / 0) (#12)
    by jbindc on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:44:06 PM EST
    Several to lots of people did here and on other liberal blogs.

    Well (none / 0) (#15)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:48:38 PM EST
    Everyone's entitled.

    Yup ... (none / 0) (#17)
    by Robot Porter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:49:13 PM EST
    and it's already gotten more attention than it deserved.

    Why give it more?


    Heeeeeee's Baaaaaaaaaack! (none / 0) (#10)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:42:08 PM EST
    Vikings have a new QB, lol!~

    Here's just some of the fun (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:27:05 PM EST
    being had in the Badger State -- readers photoshopping about the once-beloved poster boy.  And on the newspaper's site are hundreds of reader comments that could curdle your fried cheese curds, ain'a hey.

    Dude sure tanked his popularity! (5.00 / 1) (#38)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:38:44 PM EST
    Kind of a shame as he'll go into the Hall as a Packer.

    Loved "Let Me Play" (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by MO Blue on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:55:55 PM EST
    What makes Brett valuable now? (none / 0) (#19)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 05:50:35 PM EST
    Did he contribute much that was worthwhile to the Jets last season? It seems the only winner in that deal was Chad Pennington who made the most of his trade to Miami.

    How many games did Brett play last year before his injury? Any bets on how long he goes this season before another injury sidelines him?


    I have no clue why anyone would (none / 0) (#26)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:13:42 PM EST
    sign him and pay him what the Vikings are. I'm glad he "retired" and we got Sanchez instead. At least in the pre-season and prob the first couple weeks of the season, I can hope, lol!~

    Kellen Clemons (none / 0) (#31)
    by caseyOR on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:26:41 PM EST
    I'm pulling for Kellen to get the starting spot. I am enough of a sports realist to know that Sanchez will most likely get the nod, but Kellen is an Oregon boy born and bred. And I am a very loyal fan, as evidenced by my continuing support of both the Cubs and the Bears.

    They both seem to have a good work (none / 0) (#56)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:35:20 PM EST
    and sportsmanship ethic. I liked the way they interacted on the sideline. Whatever happens, it looks for now to be low drama. I just want a halfway decent season from both {grin} I have a soft spot for Kellen and I think Sanchez could provide some excitement. I worry about Sanchez's experience, so if he does start, Kellen will be there at least. Thankfully we don't have to rely on Vick or Favre!!

    Sun god bless your loyalty... (none / 0) (#107)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:23:36 AM EST
    but I think Kellen is a career backup...he's been in the system four years now and ain't exactly lighting it up in practice...not a good sign for a potential starter.

    The only way he starts the opener is if Rex doesn't wanna throwm Sanchez to the wolves behind a gimpy offensive line...if the O-line is healthy it is Sanchez for sure.


    Saddest thing (none / 0) (#49)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:07:36 PM EST
    in the world.

    The only two sports heroes I had, The Mick, and Broadway Joe went down that route.

    There should be some kind of spot de-tox clinics for these guys (and some girls)


    At least Mantle (none / 0) (#72)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 08:20:32 PM EST
    played an entire career just with the Yanquis.  There's something noble and grand about that, and it doesn't happen often.  

    Though he probably should have hung em up around 1966 when his knees no longer permitted him to play the outfield.  

    All told, I think he did a little better than Willie Mays, who hung on 3-4 yrs too long, long enough to be traded to the Mets and finish out there.

    Easy though for us sitting in the stands to say when a guy should go.  They make great money for playing a sport, and it's something they've almost all been doing full-time since they were kids.  The ones who get out at just the right time and on top seem to be the exception.


    Yeah, well (none / 0) (#79)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:32:01 PM EST
    I was with Mickey from the early 50's, growing up in Brooklyn (the only Yankee fan in the borough.) So, for me, he was family, and I could criticize him, but no one else!

    But Joe Willie, bad legs too; going to S.F....just awful.

    But, to your point, you could just see how painful, and lost, these stars were after hanging them up. Too sad.


    Hey, big Mantle fan (none / 0) (#82)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:49:28 PM EST
    here.  Arguably, but for his rookie-season major knee injury in that controversial play in the outfield with Joe DiMaggio, the one which seems to have permanently damaged his legs, he might have been considered the greatest ever overall (and not Willie Mays).  That and not taking proper care of his body with all the late-hours nightclub hopping ...

    Re Joe Willie, he actually went to the LA Rams.  You might be confusing with O.J., who ended up in SF way past his prime, having had a single-minded coach who ran him far far too much for too long in Buffalo.

    Ali, another case of a superstar staying around much too long.  Should have called it quits after beating Geo Foreman in 74.


    Oops (none / 0) (#89)
    by NYShooter on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 10:40:38 PM EST
    Yeah, LA. My mistake; you'll have to forgive me, but I lived in LA for a while in the 60's; everything was beautiful, the people were great, the weather, fantastic, the homes, unreal. ....... I couldn't wait to get outta there and back home where I belonged, in the Bronx.

    And, even with those bad legs, Mickey, I believe, still holds the speed record; from home to first, and that's batting righty! Unreal, big guy like that, and sooo fast. We'll never know "what if?"

    And another, "oh yeah"............Ali, what can you say; loved the guy, even when just about everyone else hated him.

    Oh well.........


    Wisconsin is abuzz with jokes (none / 0) (#28)
    by Cream City on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:20:04 PM EST
    and t-shirts and lines like the sportswriter who blogged today, as Favre was flying to Minnesota, that he would be wise to avoid Wisconsin airspace.  You know it's bad when even the gov takes a shot at the once-sainted Brett and gets a good laugh and great headlines for it; when the gov announced this week that he was not running for re-election, he vowed that he was not pulling a "Favre" play.  

    October 5 will be the day that Favre plays against the Packers, and the local sports blogs are filled with plans for what to display on national teevee.


    Sportscasters were pretty funny tracking (none / 0) (#34)
    by nycstray on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 06:29:42 PM EST
    his retirement tonight {grin} I personally wouldn't even use him as a backup on my fantasy team!

    As one who will be lucky to retire (none / 0) (#55)
    by ruffian on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:34:45 PM EST
    when I'm 70 it is just a little annoying to see someone waste a perfectly good posh retirement. Go away and enjoy,  Bret!!  What have the rest of us got to aspire to if you are telling us early retirement isn't fabulous?

    He ain't toiling in a coal mine... (none / 0) (#108)
    by kdog on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:30:01 AM EST
    he's playing a game I pay to play every Sunday from September to March with some dudes older than Brett...it may be hard to watch for us fans, a once great player reduced to below average, but I can't blame him for enjoying playing a kid's game more than working in the booth or owning a restaraunt or sitting on his couch.

    What I find really lame is that he gets to miss the dog days of camp with his retire/unretire schtick...thats gotta piss off his veteran teamates who make the full commitment.


    Yes, he wangled his way out (none / 0) (#121)
    by Cream City on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:32:34 AM EST
    of training camp again.  Not a first for Favre.  It's fairly obvious that this deal was all set, but that he didn't want to go to camp again, and the Vikings (at least) didn't want to deal with that -- so they set it up for Favre to go fishing in the bayou for a few more weeks while getting out of going to most of training camp . . . until the faux signing yesterday.

    Well it IS prime fishing (none / 0) (#122)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:38:47 AM EST
    right now...

    Terrible, just terrible (none / 0) (#67)
    by MKS on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 07:52:47 PM EST
    Namath was the first one to do it--going to another team as a former superstar QB just to play one more time.

    Montana did it too.

    Neither recaptured their glory.  

    But Namath and Montana finally recognized reality and didn't move on to a third team.

    So, one season as a Jet after his tease of the Packers could have been okay.  But, this?  This is sad.

    I saw Favre play his last game as a Packer against the New York Giants in the bitter cold at Lambeau Field.  The Packers lost.  Favre looked miserable from beginning to end--as if he were thinking, "Why am I out here in the cold playing this stupid game when most guys my age know better."


    Namath's case was (none / 0) (#69)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 08:05:30 PM EST
    painful to watch -- the guy was clearly past his prime and all his serious knee injuries -- but there was probably some logic to going to the Rams, assuming he wanted to be in L.A. to pursue some possible Hollywood offers or media.  Still ...

    Montana actually had a couple of good seasons left -- not having had that many injuries -- and the only reason he left was because his backup with the Niners was a true star who'd already done his 3-4 yrs on the bench waiting for Joe to retire and was giving the team a him or me ultimatum.  Iirc, Montana never embarrassed himself with the Chefs, and his smart wife probably played a key role in his decision to finally hang em up before he began tarnishing his career.

    Favre is more in the over-the-hill Namath category -- too many major injuries of late, plus age, make for someone who might have the occasional decent game but who mostly will be fortunate not to embarrass himself.

    Of course, for $17mill or whatever they're giving him for a season or two, well I might consider coming out of retirement for that tidy sum.  Especially if football was the only thing I knew how to do in life, other than perhaps how to drive a tractor ...


    Yeah, (none / 0) (#81)
    by brodie on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 09:37:56 PM EST
    Montana still had game with the Chefs.  He just got squeezed out of SF by Steve Young, who was not getting any younger sitting on the bench for years waiting for his chance.

    Surprising, somewhat anyway, that the Rams with Joe Willie made the playoffs but I'm not sure how much of a major role he played.  

    From my dim recollection as a youngster, he looked slow and wobbly as he hobbled back to toss a not very crisp pigskin.  Frankly I thought he was a little less impressive than Warren Beatty, who QB'ed the team for a while in that time period as we saw in that film Heaven Can Wait. And Beatty ended up leading his team to a SB victory.


    Was Broadway Joe... (none / 0) (#120)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:28:03 AM EST
    ...the first or was it Johnny Unitas going to the Chargers?  

    Good Question (none / 0) (#123)
    by MKS on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 11:32:01 AM EST
    Johnny U was still with the Colts for their 1971 Super Bowl win over the Cowboys in the Super Blooper Bowl.  I think that was his last season there....

    Namath to the Rams had to come after that.


    I wonder if the Packer fans will line up to moon (none / 0) (#74)
    by DFLer on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 08:30:18 PM EST
    the Viking's player bus (as per usual) with Brett inside....oh, wait...Brett will probably have his own special ride

    Seattle Mayor Nickels (none / 0) (#91)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Tue Aug 18, 2009 at 11:01:00 PM EST
    so far in early returns is not even making the top 2 primary cut.  He is the president of the US Conference of Mayors.  He is NOT popular in Seattle though.

    We'll see what further returns bring.

    If McGinn wins in November (none / 0) (#99)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:15:43 AM EST
    I'm moving outa here. Seriously. That clown will kill the business community with his roads-are-evil nonsense.

    Go Mallahan!


    And, please, Greg Nickels: (none / 0) (#101)
    by shoephone on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:27:38 AM EST
    Just go away. Permanently.

    Joe Biden (none / 0) (#106)
    by jbindc on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:09:06 AM EST
    Thinking about running for president in 2016, at least according to his aides.

    Guess we could repeat the "You kids get off my lawn" jokes that were oh, so funny in 2008....

    Oh God.... (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:53:25 AM EST
    Well, The Good News Is (none / 0) (#114)
    by daring grace on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:16:26 AM EST
    the country will have to be in super deluxe hyperactive GREAT shape for him to have a prayer...even to get nominated, I would think.

    The Media and the Republicans are working (none / 0) (#109)
    by joze46 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 08:47:49 AM EST
    Together to find the political powerhouse that might surface through the confusion. Since General Electric is posed as a leader in the medical imaging equipment arena, here one could believe there is motivation for a political stand to take place. Watching Chris Mathews continually developing rhetoric towards that end.

    With that said, along with a huge huge background history of how American tax payer money has been divided up in secret ways through the Treasury, or the Federal Reserve via a gold mine of trillion dollar deals going back decades, is, the "is" of course the problem. MSNBC has Andrea Mitchell wife of former Chairman of the Federal Reserve Board as co host and political commentary. These two for one resource MSNBC General Electric, has is considerably more powerful than even the Clinton duo, but may rival the Bush Bin Laden family friendship that has compounded interest over the years. Then there is likely reason to believe a troika of money laundering has taken place over years through secret manipulation in the Federal Reserve and tax code to tap billions if not trillions from the American Treasury by Bush and company.

    So why go into this description? It's my feeling Americans have caught on to the funny business of long time politicians. Exampled by the gun packing types that are appearing at meetings. Angry yes, especially that one person carrying a loaded gun interviewed by Chris Mathews. Chris asked as to who or what might be the problem in America and glowingly this guy answered "The Federal Reserve" first thing he said. I just fell over it so interesting to watch Chris Mathews dance around with in seconds to avoid going into deep deep debate or dialog about the reason why the Federal Reserve is the problem with America's economy. Face it America for about a century the secret operations of our Federal Reserve have tapped the American tax payer to bring us here now at a time of turmoil and confusion. The Federal Reserve concept as it is does not work. For most of America anyway.  

    My opinion that extraordinary things will happen to raise attention to this problem. Individuals will take law into their own hands periodically till change is done plus many who are just a Joe six packs will lean to take to the "Joe the Plumber Concept" that McCain was reaching out to likely make that natural home made hero. The Republicans are seething to hope this happens. Than Obama is gone. Simple a government can not hand out free money to the upper rich all the time or some of the time with out screwing the middle and lower class. They all have made off enough money it is time to bow out.        

    Just do it already (none / 0) (#113)
    by CST on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 09:10:42 AM EST
    this is an encouraging headline.

    "White House may push through health care without Republicans"

    I hope they take this person's advice:

    ""If we have to push it through this way, no one is going to remember how messy it was," a top White House adviser told CNN. "At the end of the day, they'll remember we got health care reform done. A win is a win.""

    emphasis mine

    Yes, Dailykos does, "suck". (none / 0) (#124)
    by AX10 on Wed Aug 19, 2009 at 02:32:43 PM EST
    To The Poster Formerly Known as cookiebear,
    most of the "kossacks" are trustfund babies who have nothing better to do in life, like McCain's daughter.