Friday Afternoon Open Thread: Green Day

Green Day is in town, playing at the Pepsi Center tomorrow night. If anyone wants to see them beforehand, they are staying at the Westin. (I was at the gym which is across the street and saw their huge tour bus parked outside.)

This is an open thread, all topics welcome.

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    Small victory (garden)! (5.00 / 4) (#13)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:26:56 PM EST
    The first tomato was picked yesterday.  I showed it to my son who promptly ate it.  He then asked me if I "found" that tomato.  Found?  Found?  I informed him that I grew that tomato.

    Tomorrow I will pick and eat my own home grown tomato.  And I'm not sharing!

    Congratulations, Fabian (5.00 / 2) (#14)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:30:11 PM EST
    There is nothing quite like a home-grown tomato. Enjoy tomorrow's treat from the garden.

    excellent (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:33:02 PM EST
    they really should call the things in supermarkets something else cause once you taste an actual home grown tomato . . .

    Styrofoam replicas (5.00 / 1) (#51)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:55:08 PM EST
    Better be careful or you will be called (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:40:18 PM EST
    a selfish socialist. :)

    All joking aside, there is nothing better than home grown tomatoes. Real picky about tomatoes. Not fond of the hot house variety even in salads but will eat the home grown ones by themselves or any other way for that matter.  Enjoy.


    I planted a "patio tomato" (5.00 / 2) (#30)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:49:11 PM EST
    and it's lagging behind the other two.  I'm very interested in how the tomatoes taste on that plant.

    The plant itself is much different that the usual tomato plant.  Instead of being lanky and viney and needing to be staked or tied up or caged, it has thick sturdy stems that require no support.  The leaves are a very deep green and the plant is tidy and attractive.  Just the thing for edible landscaping or stealth vegetable gardens.  Also good if you like a lower maintenance garden.

    I'll grow it again if the tomatoes are any good.  They look to be salad size - a little smaller than tennis balls.


    I hope you provide an update on (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:59:06 PM EST
    how it tastes in comparison to the usual home grown tomato. That is something I would be interested in for next year. Definitely interested in something lower maintenance (very grabby back) and something I could protect from the critters that invade my yard.

    Right now I'm reduced to begging for tomatoes from my family and friends.


    Oh, for a good tomato sandwich with real (5.00 / 2) (#44)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:12:42 PM EST
    mayonaisse. Some things are married, and that's one of them.

    Congrats on the tomato!


    Oh, man.... (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:44:33 PM EST
    It's been forever since I've had a tomato sandwich!! Thanks for that reminder....I'm stopping at the store on my way home.

    Week one of the new job over (5.00 / 2) (#52)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:55:45 PM EST
    I think I'm a little bit stressed, and a little bit intense for a laid-back community  college, but it pays more than a research 1 university, and the benefits are phenomenal. Excellent health insurance for 2 bucks a month. Summers off. What more do i need?

    Glad it is working out (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:08:54 PM EST
    BTW, can I trade insurance premiums with you?

    More Outrageous Police Brutality (5.00 / 0) (#56)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:13:12 PM EST
    A cop uses taser as an extra sadistic punishment on a mom in front of her two children. First he yanks her out of her car then tasers her all caught on the police car video. Then arrests her and leaves the kids in the car on the road during freezing weather conditions. As digby puts it:

    If this is what they do when they have a video camera rolling in their own car, what do you suppose happens when one isn't?

    This has to stop.

    Saw that on GMA this morning (5.00 / 1) (#59)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:26:50 PM EST
    Her kids are 15 and 5 (if I remember correctly). The 15 year old was pretty frightened for his mom's safety.

    Those taser guns need to be collected and destroyed.


    We now have Dylangate (5.00 / 1) (#57)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:22:09 PM EST
    Rock legend Bob Dylan was treated like a complete unknown by police in a New Jersey shore community when a resident called to report someone wandering around the neighborhood.

    ...The incident began at 5 p.m. (2100 GMT) when a resident said a man was wandering around a low-income, predominantly minority neighborhood several blocks from the oceanfront looking at houses.

    The 24 year old police officer drove up to Dylan and asked his name. Dylan gave his name. A second officer in his twenties responded to assist. Since neither officer recognized the name, they asked for I.D. and  what he was doing there. Dylan responded that he was on tour and was not carrying any I.D.

    The officers asked Dylan, 68, to accompany them back to the Ocean Place Resort and Spa, where the performers were staying. Once there, tour staff vouched for Dylan.  AP

    Ha, I 'm making this the (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Jeralyn on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 08:32:13 PM EST
    evening open thread.

    Stealing my thunder, huh (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:23:31 PM EST
    Who do you think you are? The owner of the blog or something. :)

    heh (none / 0) (#70)
    by andgarden on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:13:42 PM EST
    ditto on the 'heh' (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:49:13 PM EST
    this is just screaming for outrage....why didn't the police just leave when he told them what his name was? Was that escort back to the hotel really kidnapping? What, no handcuffs?! You mean he didn't bellow "don't you know who I am?" He cooperated and DIDN'T get himself arrested?

    Dear god, or dog. (none / 0) (#76)
    by jeffinalabama on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:39:57 PM EST
    He's STILL Bob Dylan. Education has failed the country!

    Today Fresh Air re-aired an interview (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:51:13 PM EST
    W/Les Paul. Who sd. Manhattan club owner did not recognize Paul's name.

    Also a friend age 39 recent$y heard Willie, Dylan. And Mellencamp. She sd.the latter did the best set.    


    Dems (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:45:05 PM EST
    cave once again. Can someone tell me that if Sarah Palin is so crazy then why is she getting credit for getting rid of the end of life planning for medicare? Are the Dems so cowardly that her screaming about death panels has gotten them to cave?

    Start buying the pink tutu's and sending them to Washington starting with the WH and going on down.

    Lanny Davis In the News Again (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:02:55 PM EST
    Busy guy. Just weeks ago he was hired by Micheletti et al to support the non coup, coup, through his connections in the US government.

    Now he is supporting Whole Foods owner, John Mackey, who wrote WSJ op ed denouncing health care reform because it is too expensive and health care is not a right...

    Davis also said he helped write the WSJ op ed.

    Who's Behind the Health Reform Attacks (5.00 / 1) (#73)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:17:45 PM EST
    WASHINGTON -- Much of the money and strategy behind the so-called grassroots groups organizing opposition to the Democrats' health care plans comes from conservative political consultants, professional organizers and millionaires, some of whom hold financial stakes in the outcome.

    If President Barack Obama and Congress extend health insurance coverage to millions of uninsured Americans, raise taxes on the wealthy to pay for it, and limit insurers' discretion on who they cover and what they charge, that could pinch these opponents.

    Most of them say they oppose big government in principle. Despite Obama's assurances to the contrary, many of them insist that the Democrats' legislation is but the first step toward creation of a single-payer system, where the federal government hires the doctors, approves treatments, sets the rules and imperils profit.


    The opposition groups' names sound catchy and populist: Patients First. Patients United. Americans for Prosperity. Conservatives for Patients' Rights. FreedomWorks. 60 Plus. Club for Growth.

    Here's who's behind them: read on


    someone (none / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 03:49:58 PM EST
    I cant remember who (me?) has been talking a lot about the new resurgence of right wing hate groups.

    Obama's Safety: Fear Grows for President as Hate Groups Thrive on Racial Backlash

    Violent Signs, Gun, Standoff Latest in Emerging Anger Towards the President

    Experts who track hate groups across the U.S. are growing increasingly concerned over violent rhetoric targeted at President Obama, especially as the debate over health care intensifies and a pattern of threats emerges.

    Orincus (5.00 / 0) (#2)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 03:53:57 PM EST
    Has been writing about this for some time now. I linked to a really good piece by Sara Robinson, at Orincus, on the rise of fascism in the US. She examines the question: Are we there yet?

    Getting too close for comfort, so it seems.


    It's Orcinus (none / 0) (#4)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:00:36 PM EST
    That whale is an Orca Whale...it's a PNW blogger.

    The killer whale or orca (Orcinus orca), or less commonly, blackfish, is the largest species of the dolphin family. It is found in all the world's oceans

    Just a little tweak, but I've noticed you always refer to the blog as Orincus.


    Thanks (none / 0) (#5)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:08:42 PM EST
    A bit of dsxlyia or something seeping through there... For years I read it as Orincus, and knew that Dave Niewert went on an annual whale watch, posted videos etc..


    Got it now, thanks!


    Happy to assist.... (none / 0) (#8)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:12:31 PM EST
    I wouldn't have noticed had it not been for the Orca photo.

    Nerves! Squeaky nerves. . . (none / 0) (#12)
    by hookfan on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:25:02 PM EST
    The leftist GOP is starting to get to ya!

    from Orcinus (none / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:32:04 PM EST

    Interestingly, in every case Paxton cites, the political base came from the rural, less-educated parts of the country

    In 1976 Morris Dees (none / 0) (#28)
    by Cards In 4 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:47:08 PM EST
    came to our school to talk about the work of the SPLC and raise money.  Our school should have been a great venue for him as our student body was about 50/50 black/white and extremely liberal.

    The same threats the SPLC talks about today are the same as they were in 1976 only the instigators then were Richard Nixon and Gerald Ford leading the white racists.

    Since it was part of our Sociology class we discussed it the next class and the only person that didn't think the scare talk was bogus was our liberal white teacher.  The students, black and white, all laughed at Dees because we lived in the real world where we knew the KKK consisted of a couple of losers sitting in their basement cranking out fliers on a mimeograph machine.

    The stuff Potok has been talking about has been going on for the last 50 years.  It just means if you want to turn over enough rocks you can find a lot of worms.


    the difference of course (5.00 / 2) (#33)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:51:04 PM EST
    being that 50 years ago we did not have an African American President.

    and if you think that makes no difference you are incorrect.  also you are incorrect.  it is not as you say "a couple of losers sitting in their basement cranking out fliers".   far from it in fact.
    they are many, they are organized and they are armed.  


    Gerald Ford was painted as a (none / 0) (#53)
    by Cards In 4 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:01:12 PM EST
    mean stupid Republican (sound familiar?), it didn't have to be based on anything.  He pardoned Nixon and that was enough to prove how evil he was.  Walking around campus you could see bulletin boards full of stuff that the anti-Bush people would consider beyond the pale.   L. Ron Hubbard was portrayed in a better light.

    The thing is no one then was concerned about the KKK or any other right wing gangs.  Just like today an inner city black man was 1000 times more likely to be shot by a black gang member than some white supremacist.  It was just laughable that we were supposed to be concerned about a bunch of losers that never came near our neighborhoods.


    and as if the whole racial thing (none / 0) (#38)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:55:24 PM EST
    was not complicated enough we have this:

    Man pleads guilty to racial threat using fake Facebook account

    An African-American man has pleaded guilty after being accused of impersonating a white supremacist in a fictitious Facebook account to make death threats against an African-American university student.


    Yes it's starting to get ... (none / 0) (#40)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:00:08 PM EST
    pretty crazy.

    Abu Ghraib lecture cancelled due to threats.


    BushCo Remnants (none / 0) (#3)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 03:59:49 PM EST
    Heck of a job Brownie...  at best and at worst having the foxes guard the henhouses.

    The head of the FDIC, another Bush appointee, is fighting Obama as to whether the banks should self regulate or not.

    Laughable position, going on what has happened for the last 8 years, but Sheila Bair is saying it with a straight face.

    Federal Deposit Insurance Corp. Chairman Sheila Bair is pushing back against key elements of the Obama administration's financial overhaul plan, saying they wouldn't survive in Congress and calling her own alternatives more viable.

    In an interview with The Associated Press, Bair said Congress won't approve two major parts of the package: Expanding the Federal Reserve's authority to regulate the largest financial companies and giving a proposed new consumer protection agency examination and enforcement powers over banks.
    Such authority now belongs to her agency and other bank regulators.


    Her ideas include empowering a new agency to protect consumers from abusive mortgage and credit card products - but having bank supervisors enforce those rules.


    Bair isn't saying (5.00 / 5) (#9)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:12:45 PM EST
    that banks should self-regulate. She is saying that the Fed should not have this authority, but that it should be with the banking regulators, like the FDIC.

    There is a big turf battle going on over which federal agency will get the new and supposedly enhanced oversight powers. Geithner and Bernancke want the Fed to prevail. Bair has argued that the FDIC is better suited. She has also pointed out that the Fed and Treasury either missed or ignored the early signs of our present crash and burn economy. Signs that Bair did see and warn about.


    Really? (none / 0) (#41)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:01:16 PM EST
    Just read a great profile on Bair at the NYer mag..

    Strange that Bair would want the banks to enforce the rules considering that, as you have pointed out, Bair is for regulation, and had been a long time critic of the sub prime winks and nods by BushCo. Also she was one of three who strongly dissented about giving ENRON a pass..

    Her ideas include empowering a new agency to protect consumers from abusive mortgage and credit card products - but having bank supervisors enforce those rules.

    sounds like self regulation to me.

    And who else is complaining:

    industry groups have balked at rules they say will burden companies and raise borrowers' costs. Bank industry lobbyists are leading the charge against major parts of the plan.

    Certainly she seems correct to argue giving the Federal Reserve any more power than it already has.


    Squeaky, those bank supervisors (none / 0) (#80)
    by caseyOR on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 08:11:30 PM EST
    that Bair is speaking of are not employees of the various banks. When Bair says "banks  supervisors" she means the regulators who are employees of the FDIC. These are federal employees.

    Once again, Bair is notarguing for self-regulation by the banks. She is arguing for the regulators to be with the FDIC and not with any other federal regulatory agency.


    Thanks For the Clarification (none / 0) (#84)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 09:18:11 PM EST
    Nothing about Bair would suggest that she trusts banks to do their own regulating.

    The Federal Reserve seems like the worst choice to regulate anything. They need an audit, to say the least.

    Good to know that a Republican Bush appointee can be working for us.


    Speaking of GREEN (none / 0) (#6)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:08:44 PM EST
    I saw one of these 3-wheelers coming off the interstate this morning. All electric, but the driver literally filled the entire cab of the thing. It looked so scarey...especially considering how rude the area drivers are during rush hour.

    Apparently, it qualifies as a HOV lane user. Can't imagine the $36,000 price tag pays for itself in the lifetime of the vehicle, though.

    That vehicle looks like a pregnant (5.00 / 1) (#15)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:31:06 PM EST
    roller skate to me even though it only has 3 wheels.

    According to the specs, (none / 0) (#11)
    by easilydistracted on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:23:53 PM EST
    its licensed and registered as a motorcycle. And, gets more attention than a 100K sports car.  

    The motorcycle part (none / 0) (#16)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:31:25 PM EST
    is why it can use the HOV lanes...and, I'm sure it gets tons of attention. You have to keep your eye on it for fear it'll end up underneath your tires if you don't.

    The one I saw was lime green, so it was visible, but still not something I would feel the least bit safe in.

    It also said 598 pounds of batteries (13 units) that only last from 1-4 years, and if you drive the 75 mph top speed, you only get to go some 30-40 miles on a charge.


    The whole licensing (none / 0) (#21)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:35:46 PM EST
    and regulation of these neither/nor vehicles is a real obstacle to widespread adoption of them.  Is it a motorcycle?  If it is considered a motorcycle, then it is fairly easy to deal with.

    Is it a car?  Ohhhhhh, then the headaches start!  Automobiles have safety and visibility requirements that lightweight three wheelers usually can't satisfy.

    What they should do is rule that a vehicle with three or four wheels, but under X pounds weight and gets over Y mpg fall under different regulations than automobiles.  They should still have all the visibility requirements, but shouldn't have to satisfy automobile safety requirements.


    I really can't imagine... (none / 0) (#18)
    by desertswine on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:32:12 PM EST
    going 75mph in that thing. Although it looks like it would be great for urban driving (off of the freeway).

    wow (none / 0) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:35:42 PM EST
    I guess it is safer than a motorcycle and I used to ride those on california freeways but for some reason I would prefer a bike.

    I prefer the aptera (none / 0) (#22)
    by WillieB on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:37:13 PM EST
    I prefer the aptera as my three wheeled vehicle of choice. Plus its a two seater


    Guided Tour:



    jinx (none / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:38:29 PM EST
    I think this one (none / 0) (#23)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:37:58 PM EST
    at least looks cool.  if you have to die horribly you might as well look cool.

    Now that one has a real cool (none / 0) (#29)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:47:22 PM EST
    space age look to it. Not having any desire to die horribly, I doubt I would purchase one but it definitely has a fun look to it.

    They Claim (none / 0) (#42)
    by WillieB on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:09:15 PM EST
    That the aptera is supposedly built to auto crash standards.

    they do actually (none / 0) (#43)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:10:49 PM EST
    and it probably as safe as lots of other vehicles out there.  
    I was just being an a$$.
    and it has great features.  I love the idea of solar powered heating and cooling so the car is never hot or cold when you get in.

    Can't believe how many models (none / 0) (#31)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:50:03 PM EST
    are out there already.

    ALL the vehicles on the road will need to be that small before I'll get in on the trend.


    from three wheels (none / 0) (#26)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:43:46 PM EST
    also (none / 0) (#27)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:45:23 PM EST
    if we are going with three wheels
    I prefer these three

    Points for concept (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Fabian on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:51:44 PM EST
    and execution, but I'm not sure about function.  It'd make a helluva lawn ornament!

    I like that! (none / 0) (#32)
    by WillieB on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:50:04 PM EST
    the worlds only (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:53:04 PM EST
    safe motorcycle

    ROTFLMAO (none / 0) (#35)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:52:12 PM EST
    Image trying to park that in a crowded city.

    Seeing Green Day next thursday (none / 0) (#7)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:12:11 PM EST
    At the newly renamed Viejas Arena on the campus of San Diego State.  Funny, the arena went from being named after a local cable company (Cox) to the name of the local tribe (Viejas) with the most biggest reservation casino/entertainment/ shopping complex in the area.

    Franz Ferdinand opening.  Taking the little kid, who's been to one outside concert (at Viejas, no less), and who has no idea how loud this arena concert is going to be.  taking the earplugs just in case.  For all of us.

    Have a good weekend, y'all.  Peace.

    I'm doing Irish music this weekend (5.00 / 3) (#37)
    by Cream City on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:55:22 PM EST
    at the world's largest Irish festival, such fun.  Went to the discount kickoff eve last night and got to hear, in only a few hours, everything from traditional straight from the ould sod to this year's feature, music from Nova Scotia and my forebears as well (a marvelous mix of Native, French -- the tradition still there, despite what is called the first genocide, of Acadians and by Americans -- African, etc.) . . . and, of course, the latest Irish rock.  It sometimes takes lovely lilting forms in which one can hear echoes of traditional Irish music.

    Or Irish rock sometimes takes off into oddities such as the band that rocked last night, the Red Hot Chili Pipers.  Guitars, drums, and bagpipes.  A great sound and a great stage show, especially when the guitarists and pipers lined up like old rock bands to do sort of Motown dance routines.

    And then there's the shopping, shopping, shopping . . . and the food!  Scones with clotted cream, lots of corned beef, potato pancakes, etc.  And, in a nod to multiculturalism, the usual venues there of other ethnicities attempt to adapt, but some with less success, such as the German food booth that becomes "Mother Machree's Strudel House."  The real Irish who come across the pond to entertain us find great entertainment in such aspects of us.


    You must love The Pogues (5.00 / 1) (#45)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:22:41 PM EST
    Supposed to see them in the next few months as well.  Shane McGowan, while sad in many ways, is still something to watch and listen to.  The greatest lyrics any singer has literally slurred through his entire career.

    and where's your festival? (none / 0) (#46)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:23:14 PM EST
    curious and jealous.  love to hit something like that this weekend.  sigh.

    Here it is -- every year (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by Cream City on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 12:37:44 AM EST
    in mid-August: IrishFest!  Check the lineup at the link -- I'm looking forward to Natalie McMaster and so many other greats.  And this isn't one of the incredible years when we've had the Black Family reunite here, or the Clancys' last concert, or so much more.  Presidents of Ireland and other officials come, along with Irish clerics (next year we feature County Down, one of my ancestral counties, so I'm heading to the Cultural Village, too, to begin to learn about it -- and its bishop is here this year to lead the massive Sunday mass).  

    It's been going for 30 years or more now.  Watch that link in the coming year for info on next year.  And come a week early for the hedge school, the classes in Irish music taught by the best from Ireland (I learned to bang the bodhran, such fun) as well as Irish art and customs and even a crash course in Gaelic.  As if. :-)

    Btw, it's the biggest of the ethnic festivals here, but there's one every weekend; another of my faves is Bastille Days for our city's French founders and more of my ancestors.  Great Cajun food and music, too.  We make the most of our too-brief summers . . . and then, at the end in early September, comes the last fest to remind us that we're all newcomers -- although many of us also celebrate our ancestral ties through the intermarriages in my area that gave us the great Metis culture.  It's Indian Summer, a gathering of tribes from all over the continent, for the absolute best dancing.  And the food  -- mmmm, fry bread (think of it as the northern, Metis equivalent of New Orleans beignets).  

    It's all party time, until the snow flies.:-)


    go see (none / 0) (#47)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:26:17 PM EST
    District 9 instead

    Sean Magowan and Pogey (none / 0) (#89)
    by Cream City on Sun Aug 16, 2009 at 02:01:14 PM EST
    by any chance?  Both are playing today -- I cross-referenced your tips with the schedule.  If so, thanks; I'm off to the fest again, even in the apropos weather for it today: what the Irish call "a soft rain."  But it will clear eventually, and there's always the Jameson tent. :-)

    most biggest (none / 0) (#10)
    by Dadler on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 04:14:11 PM EST
    i love that.  sometimes lousy proofreading is the best entertainment.

    movie recommendation (none / 0) (#48)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 05:29:33 PM EST
    for some reason I missed "Changeling" when it came out.  it did not look that interesting to me.
    but I got it from NetFlix and WOW.

    this is a GREAT movie.

    Obama Adjusts His Stump (none / 0) (#54)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:07:00 PM EST
    And we have an agreement from the drug companies to make prescription drugs more affordable for seniors. The AARP supports this policy, and agrees with us that reform must happen this year.

    Montana Town Hall Speech

    Is it just the speech, though? (none / 0) (#58)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:22:13 PM EST
    He didn't say this on Tuesday, and congress is recessed, so who's negotiating with the drug companies and bringing the AARP the details first?

    Those drug companies need to make drugs affordable (not MORE affordable...that can be .01 a prescription) for everyone, not just seniors.

    I become more concerned rather than comforted when such a big policy is worked out sentence by sentence with no one in the room.


    Did YOu Miss This (none / 0) (#60)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:35:31 PM EST
    Big Pharma memos

    and this:

    AARP, the nation's largest seniors lobby, will give its blessing today to an offer by drug manufacturers to contribute $80 billion over the next decade to reduce the cost of comprehensive health reform, in part by discounting the price of Medicare prescriptions.



    That (none / 0) (#61)
    by Ga6thDem on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:41:07 PM EST
    probably means the drug companies are going to be taking it out of everybody else's hides to make up that money.

    So, this is not dependent (none / 0) (#63)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:45:53 PM EST
    on healthcare reform...it's a done deal just for seniors.

    No (none / 0) (#64)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 06:57:21 PM EST
    This is part of the deal Obama allegedly cut with PhRMA. They will support Obama's health care reform, and have agreed to $150 million in adverts to support health care reform.

    He agrees that the WH will not fight for lower drug costs, etc. But congress is free to do so.


    So, the deal is off if (none / 0) (#65)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:00:59 PM EST
    Healthcare reform doesn't go through?

    Apparently So (none / 0) (#68)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:06:07 PM EST
    Considering that this is part of the proposed legislation. I do not think that parts of the bill will pass and other parts won't.

    From what I have read, Obama said that he had to find a way to pay for Health Care Reform. He approached PhRMA and asked them to put some money on the table.. this is the result.


    Well, this sounds good (none / 0) (#74)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:22:54 PM EST
    I like that he went and asked those big guys to participate, but I know people with children who have $10,000 a month prescriptions, too.

    Saw a link on MSN yesterday that said the stimulus money has made healthcare reform almost impossible...I was very suspicious on the timing of all the panic just as the GWB term was coming to a close last year. Healthcare reform was a primary campaign issue, and it does seem they may have been one step ahead on making sure it couldn't happen.


    Well Some Were Outraged (none / 0) (#75)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:28:22 PM EST
    Robert Reich wrote a scathing attack on Obama's deal with PhRMA, as if his hands were clean.

    From the Reich article (none / 0) (#77)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:47:26 PM EST
    But I also care about democracy, and the deal between Big Pharma and the White House frankly worries me. It's bad enough when industry lobbyists extract concessions from members of Congress, which happens all the time. But when an industry gets secret concessions out of the White House in return for a promise to lend the industry's support to a key piece of legislation, we're in big trouble. That's called extortion: An industry is using its capacity to threaten or prevent legislation as a means of altering that legislation for its own benefit. And it's doing so at the highest reaches of our government, in the office of the president.

    When the industry support comes with an industry-sponsored ad campaign in favor of that legislation, the threat to democracy is even greater. Citizens end up paying for advertisements designed to persuade them that the legislation is in their interest. In this case, those payments come in the form of drug prices that will be higher than otherwise, stretching years into the future.

    I don't want to be puritanical about all this. Politics is a rough game in which means and ends often get mixed and melded. Perhaps the White House deal with Big Pharma is a necessary step to get anything resembling universal health insurance. But if that's the case, our democracy is in terrible shape. How soon until big industries and their Washington lobbyists have become so politically powerful that secret White House-industry deals like this are prerequisites to any important legislation? When will it become standard practice that such deals come with hundreds of millions of dollars of industry-sponsored TV advertising designed to persuade the public that the legislation is in the public's interest? (Any Democrats and progressives who might be reading this should ask themselves how they'll feel when a Republican White House cuts such deals to advance its own legislative priorities.)

    Congress can't (none / 0) (#67)
    by dk on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:03:49 PM EST
    lower drug costs unless Obama signs such a bill.  Or are you saying that you expect a veto-proof majority lowering drug costs.

    And don't forget, if the Huffpo source is to be believed, that Obama also promised several other goodies for Pharma in this deal.  I imagine he didn't mention those in his stump speech.


    Yes (none / 0) (#69)
    by squeaky on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:09:41 PM EST
    That is the out, as I see it. If the HuffPo memo is accurate Obama is not obliged to veto anything as far as I can see.

    And if Congress came up with a bill lowering drug costs, there is no doubt in my mind that Obama would sign it.


    Our fighting Congress (none / 0) (#88)
    by Spamlet on Sat Aug 15, 2009 at 10:34:52 AM EST
    He agrees that the WH will not fight for lower drug costs, etc. But congress is free to do so.

    Way to go.


    Not according to the WaPo (none / 0) (#72)
    by MO Blue on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:16:11 PM EST
    article that Squeaky referenced.

    The offer is contingent upon enactment of a sweeping health-system overhaul.

    Also, the Huffington Post article labeled Big Pharma memos is an article by Ryan Grim whose title is "Internal Memo Confirms Big Giveaways in White House Deal With Big Pharma." Quote from the article:

    It says the White House agreed to oppose any congressional efforts to use the government's leverage to bargain for lower drug prices or import drugs from Canada -- and also agreed not to pursue Medicare rebates or shift some drugs from Medicare Part B to Medicare Part D, which would cost Big Pharma billions in reduced reimbursements.

    This whole drug agreement has me totally confused.
    Inconsistencies even in the WaPo article:

    Under the proposal, seniors who fall into the coverage gap known as the "doughnut hole," would pay half price for all brand-name medicines. The discounts could save 3.5 million retirees up to $1,700 a year, according to AARP. In addition, the full price of the drug would count toward a person's out-of-pocket total, thus maximizing the insurance benefit.


    It was not immediately clear how much of the $80 billion would benefit Medicare beneficiaries directly and what portion would accrue to the federal treasury.

    Then there are articles saying that these saves are not based on current prices but reducing the growth rate from 6.2% to 4.7%.


    Black Water Insurance plans could exist (none / 0) (#71)
    by joze46 on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 07:15:10 PM EST
    The insurance stuff and Death Panels

    Hey wait a minute, during the Bush Company era, Republican Controlled Congress for the last twelve years one could ponder that Black Water type Insurance companies did and do exist. Even with in the Government employee programs national and state wide. Death Panels are already here, have been here to exist to cut off your policy or refuse your claim. You know what would be fun is to have a government insurance exchange with the power of over sight to follow up insurance problems. Now who do we call ghost busters )  

    The other day was listening to hate radio ABC the channel that broadcasts Rush Limbaugh here in the Chicago, it was about an Illinois government employee calling into the new Rod Blagojevich radio program, yes Rod has air time here defending his self before he faces Patrick Fitzgerald who needs time to pour over details to catch Blago in at least perjury, which would be lame as hell. Another Scooter Libby cop out. The individual was complaining about a claim that was refused by our local Illinois insurance plan, the government insurance plan. Isn't that a hoot...    

    Ladies and Gentleman of America we all pay into a trillion dollar insurance fund that turns into huge huge profits for auto insurance companies. Called auto insurance cover approximately one hundred and forty million cars on the road. Of course we all pay for auto hospital insurance liability. A lot of this insurance is not paid out in claim, In most states if you don't have it you can't drive. Of course insurance scams exist galore, who do you think makes profits on them, who do think actually pays for the cost of the scams? You and me...  

    Not the insurance companies, you and I pay because the insurance companies raise premiums to compensate for the loss. That's been going on for decades. Everyone's auto insurance premiums rise because insurance companies pass the cost of bogus insurance claims to honest citizens. This is regular methods for health insurance too. One thing was on CNN for a short period likely will be kept off because of the contrast and money likely saved and does give realizations of local states attorney's offices as dysfunctional in this area. As much as a trillion dollar of lost money due to corruption annually. Enough to pay for this new program. Don't you think?      

    Just got back from Montana Town Hall (none / 0) (#79)
    by Socraticsilence on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 08:02:08 PM EST
    Was Outside in the rain, trying to check the Media coverage- pro-reform crowd outnumbered the Tea Party folks 60-40 at least.

    My husband just bought (none / 0) (#81)
    by Catesby on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 08:27:37 PM EST
    tickets to Green Day for his 11-year-old daughter in Australia.  She is a Green Day fanatic.

    She's growing up just right.

    There are plenty of young musicians (none / 0) (#83)
    by Inspector Gadget on Fri Aug 14, 2009 at 08:55:02 PM EST
    who I am quite fond of, but outside of a few "uh huh's" I couldn't catch one word in that video.