Tuesday Afternoon Open Thread

The All Star Game is tonight.

I will be in and out this afternoon so my live blogging may be um, delayed.

Update (TL): Part 1 of the transcript of this morning's Sotomayor hearing is here. Part II is here. Many thanks to BTD for his excellent coverage of the hearings.

In any event, this is an Open Thread.

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    Delayed, eh? (5.00 / 2) (#4)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:29:24 PM EST
    Is that because you're cheating on us with the folks over at Crooks and Liars?  

    (John Amato: I'd like to welcome Big Tent Democrat onto the pages of C&L. He'll be handling our new Supreme Court Blog: Third Branch for the hearing. He's a regular on Jeralyn's most awesome site Talk Left and a former Daily Kos front pager. He also is a man of the law.)

    Two timer!

    Wow... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:57:56 PM EST
    two-timing and wanted by the pc police southerner enforcement division all in the same day?...:)

    No comments "over there." (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:58:46 PM EST
    Stick w/TL.

    How do we know... (none / 0) (#45)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 03:43:05 PM EST
    ...that he hasn't found his soulmate "over there".  Will he be telling us that he's going to try and fall in love with us again?

    I'm sure not showing up for the (none / 0) (#50)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:01:47 PM EST
    press conference.

    I have not been around much (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:20:01 PM EST
    so you have probably talked about this but I hope everyone is as happy as I am that Cheney is now apparently in deep doo doo.
    the NYTimes says he ordered the CIA to lie to congress.
    thats a crime.
    when you add in that the AG is likely to appoint a special investigator for the torture stuff and it could be a very interesting fall.

    pass the popcorn.

    Yeah, but (none / 0) (#31)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:28:02 PM EST
    The head of the CIA said that's not true.

    But I agree on the popcorn!


    no he didnt (none / 0) (#35)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:10:57 PM EST
    from what I understand he stopped the program the very day he learned of it and went straight to congress to brief them on the program.

    also (none / 0) (#36)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:12:22 PM EST
    the rumor is that the program was among other things an assassination program.

    the cable news will love that.


    No (none / 0) (#39)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:30:50 PM EST
    Gen. Mike Hayden - the head of the CIA at the time Cheney allegedly was telling him not to talk to Congress - said that absolutely wasn't true.

    You're thinking of Panetta.


    yes (none / 0) (#40)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:33:45 PM EST
    meet the new boss.  not much like the old boss.

    Well now (none / 0) (#42)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:50:07 PM EST
    that's a different can of worms.

    And I agree with you - on more and more issues it seems the only thing that's changed is the name on the door.


    I posted this elsewhere, (none / 0) (#1)
    by lilburro on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:22:46 PM EST
    but it belongs here:  Bill Clinton supports marriage  equality (h/t Pam).  Yay!

    Not exactly a ringing endorsement, but (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:25:25 PM EST
    it's an evolution.

    I will say that I think the President is going to have to come around to this before 2012, or he's going to have a serious problem with a lot of us.


    Did you see this? (none / 0) (#10)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:49:29 PM EST

    O has a few areas he needs to come around on. Last minute panders may end up being too last minute, if ya know what I mean . . .


    KG is facing a tough primary (none / 0) (#11)
    by andgarden on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:51:14 PM EST
    Funny how that produces results.

    Motivations, smotivations, (none / 0) (#13)
    by KeysDan on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:53:17 PM EST
    I'll take it.

    I was thinking maybe our Sens (none / 0) (#18)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:57:50 PM EST
    should be up for review more often  ;)

    She actually strikes me as being somewhat results driven, primary or not. Doesn't she have to run again in 2012?


    But he'll still get re-elected. (none / 0) (#41)
    by Dr Molly on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:37:58 PM EST
    I repeat (none / 0) (#2)
    by Dadler on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:24:38 PM EST
    Bossa Nova is not a crime.

    Have a good day, y'all.

    Unless... (none / 0) (#5)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:33:46 PM EST
    ...you live in Des Moines and try to do it after 2am.

    Hmm. Is that why you left Iowa (none / 0) (#6)
    by easilydistracted on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:35:37 PM EST
    MHH; 'cause you couldn't Samba after 2 am???

    Heck, you can't really do... (5.00 / 1) (#7)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:40:30 PM EST
    ...anything after 2am in Dead Moines--they roll up the streets!  

    Yes, one of many reasons I took Horace Greeley's advise and went West...


    For some reason I hear... (none / 0) (#14)
    by Dadler on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:54:21 PM EST
    ...Jim Morrison crooning through intoxication..."The west is the best...the west...is the best..."

    I think its from "The End".

    I'm in an odd mood today, no doubt.


    Used to a nice bar at the Marriott (none / 0) (#52)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:44:01 PM EST
    That ordinance... (none / 0) (#25)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:15:13 PM EST
    calls for some civil disobedient rug cutting...it never ceases to amaze some of the sh*t that is against the law in this country.

    Somebody call Kevin Bacon:)


    Believe me... (none / 0) (#43)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 03:16:13 PM EST
    ...we did more than our share of CD back in the day!  

    In NYC (none / 0) (#44)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 03:28:32 PM EST
    It is illegal to dance in most bars and clubs. That has been law since 1926. You need a cabaret license which is impossible to get.

    Mostly ignored, but Guliani did a crack down in 1997. Padlocked many famous bars and clubs, because people were dancing.

    A great book, Dancing in the Streets: A History of Collective Joy by Barbara Ehrenreich describes the politics behind prohibiting dance. Dancing is a big threat to power.


    I think I will disagree with (2.00 / 0) (#54)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:45:35 PM EST
    Babs, Squeaky and Jully...

    I totally forgot about that cabaret law... (none / 0) (#47)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 03:48:39 PM EST
    crazy, crazy, crazy.

    I could see why tyrants are threatened by dance...it is a most liberating activity.  Usually I associate dance with self-liberation though....not giving a sh*t about looking cool and letting it all hang out.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#48)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 03:51:40 PM EST
    Me too, letting go trumps being cool, big time, on the dance floor.

    Oh, good (none / 0) (#8)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:43:57 PM EST
    The unemployment rate is still going to go up, per Obama.

    President Barack Obama conceded Tuesday that the unemployment rate will keep growing for "several months" as he prepared to head to battered Michigan to unveil a plan to help train people for the next generation of jobs.

    Obama is proposing a multibillion-dollar investment in the nation's community colleges, a $12 billion effort to help the two-year institutions reach, teach and train more people for "the jobs of the future." He was to outline his program in a speech Tuesday afternoon at Macomb Community College in Warren, Mich.

    Before leaving town, Obama was pressed on how high the unemployment rate might climb. In Michigan, the jobless rate is 14.1 percent, worst in the nation.

    "How employment numbers are going to respond is not yet clear," Obama said after a meeting with Dutch Prime Minister Jan Peter Balkenende.

    "My expectation is, is that we will probably continue to see unemployment tick up for several months," Obama said. "And the challenge for this administration is to make sure that even as we are stabilizing the financial system ... are people able to find good jobs that pay good wages?"

    More than 2 million jobs have been lost since Congress passed Obama's $787 billion economic stimulus package. Without that government intervention, Obama said, states like Michigan would be in even worse shape because they would have had to lay off more teachers, firefighters and other workers.

    Oregon's unemployment numbers for June at 12.2% (5.00 / 1) (#20)
    by caseyOR on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:58:11 PM EST
    Only Michigan has higher unemployment. And, when the numbers were released yesterday, the state economist stated that the real unemployment number is around 23%. when one adds in people who are either scraping by with part-time work or have stopped looking all together.

    What exactly are (none / 0) (#9)
    by MO Blue on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:48:00 PM EST
    "the jobs of the future?"

    and when will (5.00 / 1) (#12)
    by nycstray on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:52:03 PM EST
    "the next generation of jobs" get here?

    Collecting cans?...n/t (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:54:28 PM EST
    Yeah (none / 0) (#17)
    by jbindc on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:56:33 PM EST
    Too bad here in the VA/MD/DC area, they haven't gotten on the band wagon of having deposits on cans and bottles so I COULD collect them.

    My niece just accepted the position... (none / 0) (#23)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:01:14 PM EST
    she wants some new electronic doo-hickey, and my sister (sun god bless her) is making her earn it on her own collecting bottles and cans...just like her mom and uncles used to do for Mr. Softee money.

    The way we've been partying at her house this summer she should have enough for a Hyundai in no time:)


    jobs of the future (none / 0) (#22)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:00:15 PM EST
    is when they will be created........

    From crackpot to clairvoyant in 6 months.  We have a jobs crisis. I would ask for a war on unemployment but that might lead to rendition.

    The argument against another stimulus is so desperately shallow I am beside myself.  The defense budget is 550 bn not counting our wars.  A 550 bn infrastructure stimulus would create more than 2 million jobs on the low end and perhaps 3.25 on the high end.  It is short lived, 3-4 years but by my estimation that is all we need before green tech takes off and starts to create jobs.

    The administration is telling us that the 20 million unemployed and underemployed are collateral damage. The problem with collateral damage is the ripple effect, which apparently is still unknown to the administration.

    I do not expect nor want consumption levels of 2006 ever again, nor do i expect that the gov't should re-employ everyone through stimulus.  But I do expect them to treat this crisis with half as much concern as they did the banks.....


    J my man... (none / 0) (#26)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:17:31 PM EST
    taken the kids out for a Felony Frank yet?

    Saw it on the news morning...nice to start the day with a new hero on the brain!


    i had not heard (5.00 / 0) (#30)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:20:37 PM EST
    But Saturday I will visit and let you know how they are.  Just doing my part to stimulate the economy!  I am partial to Jimmy's Hot Dogs on the west side where I grew up.  Best dog and fries in the city but I cannot take the kids there, area is just too rough....

    Please do... (5.00 / 0) (#32)
    by kdog on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:29:05 PM EST
    it just warms my heart whan an entrepenuer thinks of the ex-con class.

    Before you can have a next generation (none / 0) (#57)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:48:16 PM EST
    You have to get this generation pregnant.

    You know it's a good day... (none / 0) (#16)
    by Dadler on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 12:56:17 PM EST
    ...when you finally find a website where you can watch DIG! online for free.  

    If you haven't seen it, or heard about it, it's been out for a few years, and it's a documentary about The Brian Jonestown Massacre (and The Dandy Warhols to some degree), a band that is, essentially, it's frontman, Anton Newcombe, as twisted and tormented and phucked up a guy as you get.  Like watching a perversely beautiful trainwreck, but they have some damn good songs.

    Brian Jonestown Massacre playing "Anemone" live.

    Alright, that's it, I have actual work to do.  Go Sonya!!

    I really enjoyed it... (none / 0) (#34)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:01:52 PM EST
    ...but then I was already a fan of both bands when I watched it and knew the history between them.

    Grassley is questioning Judge (none / 0) (#24)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:04:10 PM EST
    Sotomayor re property rights (read Kelo).  He is citing property rights law worldwide.  I thought that was verboten to a conservative.

    Ron Fournier's AP (none / 0) (#27)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:17:34 PM EST
    The only possible reason that AP pursued a law suit against Shepard Fairey had to be GOP politics. Manny Garcia claimed early on that AP did not have the rights to the photograph of Obama as he was working in a freelance position and owned the rights to his own photographs. And he had no problem with Shepard Fairey transforming one of his photographs to use for the Obama campaign when he became aware of Faireys fair use. Now he supposedly says his photograph was wrongfully copied.

    That will be hard to defend considering that he was quoted in the NYT that Fairey's poster was a transformation of the original and fair use. He even said that he liked the Fairey's transformation.

    The AP lawsuit seems like a mean spirited way to waste money.

    Garcia is now really fed up with the nonsense and wants AP to stop.

    "The AP is aware -- and was aware at the time of filing its copyright application in the Garcia photo -- that it was not the true owner of the rights to that photo," the photographer's lawyer, George Carpinello, said in the filing.
    Garcia is challenging both the AP and Fairey by trying to join the pending lawsuit between them.


    Meanwhile, according to yesterday's (none / 0) (#53)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:45:10 PM EST
    NYT, Fairey go 2 yrs. probation on trespass and graffitti charges.

    What BS, imo (none / 0) (#59)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:53:25 PM EST
    But he took it and showed a bit of remorse.

    "I think that people should be responsible about sharing their art, and that's not a transition or an evolution of my philosophy," Fairey said outside court. "Fortunately, I'm at a place in my career where I can get sanctioned spaces, so it's not an issue that I'll ever have to worry about again."


    Of course that was guilty of 2 charges.  11 charges were dropped, along with 14 charges previously dropped. The Boston police must have a lot of extra time on their hands.


    socialism (none / 0) (#28)
    by Jlvngstn on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:18:11 PM EST
    I love all the talk about how the US is slipping into socialism because we have a demo prez.  Could it be that 8 years of crappy policy, two wars, an ill advised occupation that was to cost 1 billion and be repaid with oil revenue etc etc, contributed to our cash crunch?  34 million people on Food Stamps, an all time record.  25 million people out of work or underemployed.  700 billion to the banks, 300 bn to "job saving or creation".  

    I still remember when Foxnews dotcom ran a headline, "Recession, what recession?" last year.  

    to the 25 mn americans who are struggling to pay their bills, put food on their table, and terrified of bankruptcy:  The previous administration didn't see the impending crisis and you should be plenty angry with them.  this administration sees it and has decided that your concerns are a political liability.  I hope you will express your frustration at the ballot box en masse.....

    Judge Shopping? (none / 0) (#33)
    by coast on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 01:52:28 PM EST
    Aren't judges appointed on a lottery system or some other random method?  Have a relative who is in some trouble and an email has surfaced where the state was "judge shopping" for a judge who would basically send the kid back to jail.  Does this rise to some level of misconduct?

    Recourse is to the state bar. (none / 0) (#56)
    by oculus on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:47:09 PM EST
    And grounds for challenging assigned judge for cause.  Also grounds for asking prosecutor to step aside and let another entity (state AG?) review and case.

    Thanks I'll pass along. (none / 0) (#62)
    by coast on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 07:30:42 AM EST
    life imitates resident evil (none / 0) (#37)
    by Capt Howdy on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:13:54 PM EST
    Upcoming Military Robot Could Feed on Dead Bodies

    A Maryland company under contract to the Pentagon is working on a steam-powered robot that would fuel itself by gobbling up whatever organic material it can find -- grass, wood, old furniture, even dead bodies.

    Like Slavery 21st Century Style (none / 0) (#38)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 02:27:37 PM EST
    We own you and your thoughts. And you or your attorney are not entitled to review your thoughts in defense of our prosecution. They are ours and top secret.

    Basically the US Government is of the opinion that it owns and controls the thoughts of Abu Zubaida and, presumably, anyone else within its dominion and control. The government feels free to use Mr. Zubaida's own information against him, yet will not let him use it in his defense. These are interesting times we live in.

    bmaz at emptywheel

    Historic (none / 0) (#46)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 03:48:12 PM EST
    Sort of:

    NEW YORK (Reuters) - The New York Times Co said it will sell its New York City classical music radio station WQXR for $45 million, in a two-part sale that will help the struggling newspaper publisher pay off debt.

    The station will continue to broadcast classical music, something it has done for 73 years, but at 105.9 on the FM radio dial instead of 96.3 FM, the Times said in a statement on Tuesday.

    So much for "the radio station of the New York Times"

    Israeli Hit Squads (none / 0) (#49)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 04:00:03 PM EST
    Were the model for Cheney's super secret CIA assassin group. Are we surprised? Most of our strategies to deal with middle east problems were learned from the Israelis.

    Special ops troops were trained by IDF during Palestinian suppression operations, breaking down door, shooting everyone in sight etc. That was the playbook for Iraq.

    I see you are still giving those Jews a (2.00 / 0) (#58)
    by jimakaPPJ on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:51:02 PM EST
    hard time....

    Yeah, those Israelli jokesters (none / 0) (#51)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:38:34 PM EST
    "...breaking down door, shooting everyone in sight etc."

    And for no reason, doncha know. Watching your daughter and her friends being blown to smithereens at her Bat Mitsvah could've been handled by a strongly worded letter.

    When will those Israelli suppressors realize all the Palestinians want is to give peace a chance.


    I See (none / 0) (#55)
    by squeaky on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 05:46:59 PM EST
    Well you can write to Cheney and tell him that you approve of his methods, but he made a big mistake and should have had the Palestinians train the Special Ops assassination squad instead of IDF.

    Glad to know that you are for killing arabs, muslims indiscriminately because they have blown up your daughter and her friends. Vengeance is a nasty cancer, hard to get rid of.


    Well....... (2.00 / 0) (#60)
    by NYShooter on Tue Jul 14, 2009 at 06:32:09 PM EST
    ["....approve of his methods."]
         Did I say that?

    ["...should have had the Palestinians train the Special Ops assassination squad instead of IDF."]
        True, if indiscriminate killing is your bag.

    ["Glad to know that you are for killing....."]
         I am?

     ["Vengeance is a nasty cancer,..."]
            Self-defense is cancer.

    Ah, but you're Squeaky, so it's o.k.

    Note:( a little rusty fom your long absence; with just a couple of well chosen words the old squeaks would've administered an expert  solar plexus (or groin) kick right off the bat, and sent me wimpering into my pillow by now. Too many words, too cerebral.....
    Just a tip fom an old fan. You'll get there......I hope.)



    Don't yell at me here NYS, but (none / 0) (#61)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 02:01:07 AM EST
    regarding the relationship between the IDF and Cheney's assassination squad and "aggressive" US counter-insurgent tactics in Iraq: the linked info (from Newsweek/The Guardian/Israeli Insider) is evidently valid and well worth consideration.

    No argument from me (none / 0) (#63)
    by NYShooter on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 01:23:29 PM EST
    And, no yelling either.

    Those are military tactics, vs generic opponants.

    My point was relative to one group claiming their killing is morally on a higher plain than the other.


    Understood, thanks... (none / 0) (#64)
    by FoxholeAtheist on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 05:05:43 PM EST
    Unfortunately, because it's such a potentially volatile subject, some folks would prefer not to talk about it at all.  

    Morality? (none / 0) (#65)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 05:17:52 PM EST
    How about numbers.


    and this recent bloodbath:

    The Palestinian death toll in the Gaza conflict climbed to more than 1,000 today after nearly three weeks of intensive Israeli bombing and fighting on the ground.

    So far, 1,010 Palestinians have been killed, among them 315 children and 95 women, Dr Moawiya Hassanein, the head of Gaza's medical emergency services, told the Guardian. The number of injured after 19 days of fighting stood at 4,700, he said.


    As well as the Palestinian death toll, 13 Israelis have been killed, including three civilians.


    IDF, and Mossad techniques just as well on the Iraqis, except that now there is blood is on our hands directly rather than indirectly.


    More on Gaza (none / 0) (#66)
    by squeaky on Wed Jul 15, 2009 at 10:27:44 PM EST
    In filmed testimony and written statements released Wednesday, more than two dozen soldiers told an Israeli army veterans group that military commanders led the fighters into what one described as a "moral Twilight Zone" where almost every Palestinian was seen as a threat.
    Soldiers described incidents in which Israeli forces killed an unarmed Palestinian carrying a white cloth, an elderly woman carrying a sack, a Gazan riding a motorcycle and an elderly man with a flashlight...