Michael Jackson Dies of Cardiac Arrest

Update: LA coroner on CNN: At 2:26pm PT Michael Jackson was declared dead. He's evasive but it sounds like he was dead on arrival at the LA Medical Center. (Update: They tried to resuscitate him at the hospital for an hour and failed. His brother Jermaine said his personal physician was with him at his home when he went into cardiac arrest.)

Update: LA Times, CBS and all media outlets except CNN confirms Jackson has died. The hospital reportedly is on lock down as crowds swell around it. (Added: CNN confirms too.)

R.I.P. Michael Jackson. What a sad day. First Farrah, now Michael. Herre's Billie Jean, Live. From the best selling album of all time.

TMZ reports Michael Jackson died of cardiac arrest at his home today. While others are reporting he was taken to the hospital, TMZ says he was dead when paramedics arrived and attempts at resusitation failed.


More to come, as I find them on You Tube. I've watched about 30 so far. Feel free to add your favorites in comments.

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    remember him (5.00 / 0) (#1)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:22:51 PM EST
    And this: (5.00 / 0) (#12)
    by ChiTownDenny on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:44:02 PM EST
    (Pick your favorite; tons to choose from.)

    This is so sad.  I will always remember the joy his music brought to my life.  R.I.P., King of Pop


    Yes (none / 0) (#3)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:28:27 PM EST
    His music for many, many years was absolutely incredible.

    he was one of a kind (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:32:59 PM EST
    like an alien trying his level best to act like a normal human being.
    he was a genius and prodigy every bit as much as Mozart

    Mozart? (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:30:10 PM EST
    absolutely (5.00 / 1) (#90)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 08:33:52 AM EST
    do you honestly think Mozarts music had any more influence on the culture of his day than Jacksons did?
    he was a performing and writing on a professional level at 10.  ok, Mozart was doing at 6 or something but the comparison is not outlandish just because you dont happen to like his particular form of music.
    Jacoson did not only influence music but culture.
    MTV did not play black artists before Thriller.
    Jackson became the only black artist many white kids had ever listened to.
    dont minimize his talent and influence just because he led a bizarre and exotic life.
    so did Mozart.

    Just joshing you. (none / 0) (#93)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 11:51:07 AM EST
    I am impressed Jackson opened up MTV.  

    sorry if I came off sharp (none / 0) (#94)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 01:15:44 PM EST
    yesterday was a depressing day.

    It's ok I am almost (none / 0) (#100)
    by oculus on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:15:46 PM EST
    entirely out of the loop re popular music. Tell me. Did Jackson compose, write lyrics, do arrangements?  

    this is from Yahoo answers (none / 0) (#105)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:00:34 PM EST
    He completely wrote most of his hits...like don't stop til you get enough, beat it, thriller, wanna be startin somethin, bad, dirty diana, black or white, heal the world, etc etc.

    The few that he didn't write were rock with you, man in the mirror, and you are not alone.

    as far as the comparison with Mozart, whatever.
    someone did point out a similarity I had not even considered, the driven father.
    plus being child protege, incredibly famous and a tender age and all the pressure that goes with it, drug abuse and addiction and on and on.  nope, no similarity at all.
    I was just looking around the web to see if anyone else had made the comparison.  looks like the director Brent Ratner beat me to it.

    It ain't easy being a genius: You do pay the price, not unlike Mozart, who will be remembered far longer than Napoleon. Michael Jackson understands this irony. No one I have ever met in my life has had such passion and love for entertainment. His work, brilliance, and vision will be remembered far longer than any of those who now think of him harshly.

    oops also the democratic underground found the comparison attractive

    Certainly Michael Jackson was flawed. So were Mozart and Picasso. They still managed to make the world more rich and more beautiful, as did Michael Jackson. Like Mozart and Picasso, he will not soon be forgotten.

    oh, and the Mozart forum

    It's important to recognise that Mozart is also a special case because his talent was fully realised into adulthood. It is not inevitable that such great prodigies turn out this way. In some ways Camille Saint-Saëns was as impressive as Mozart as a child prodigy, possessing perfect pitch at two years of age and began piano lessons. But I find even his mature music sophisticated yet boring. As Hector Berlioz, said: "He knows everything, but lacks inexperience". I doubt Mozart 'lacked inexperience', but he certainly never became tired of exploring new harmonies and ideas.

    And I've always wondered what Michael Jackson may have become under an ambitious but stable family like Mozart's. Apparently, Jackson also had perfect pitch and a great musical memory at an early age, and apparently remembered all the parts, steps and moves after just a couple of hearings.

    It's a real shame his mind became so warped and his life turned into grotesque Hollywood freakshow. I dislike pretty much all the music he did past the age of 15 (?), but his childhood talent may give us a glimpse into what LEVEL of freakish ability (though in a different way) we would witness in someone like Mozart. The description of Mozart's first organ playing is interesting (regarding his co-ordination, etc), but of course, we'll never know what kind of composer Jackson may have become under someone like Leopold.

    Here's some amazing Jackson performances as a child. The melodic sense and control in his voice is quite astonishing...

    Mozart Forum (none / 0) (#110)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:35:24 PM EST
    You forgot this part:

    Hope no one is outraged by the comparison. I'm only really talking about natural undeveloped talent and potential, not about them as rounded 'artists'!

    I guess that is where you part company with the Mozart forum poster and his "what if" musings..

    Unfortunately a edited quote from the Mozart Forum, does not lend credibility to your original comment, but you are entitled to  your opinion, as outrageous as it seems to me.


    thanks (none / 0) (#111)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:38:44 PM EST
    Im so grateful for that

    lol (none / 0) (#113)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:46:53 PM EST
    I have to confess, I know very little about Michael Jackson's music, as I missed the whole pop era. Last pop music concert I went to was in 1972. After that almost all I listened to and played was, so called, classical music.

    I am sure that I have heard some things of Jackson though, as I have been captive in other peoples car, and home without being able to influence the audio portion of my experience.



    actually (none / 0) (#114)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:53:43 PM EST
    the point I was making had almost nothing to do with the kind of music he made.  it was about personality and genius, influence and recognition.

    I dont listen to his music and never really have.

    I didnt really read the comments that carefully but if you and whoever else that was think Jacksons success was due to "media moguls and PR men" I think you really are pretty far out of touch.


    OK (none / 0) (#116)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 05:08:25 PM EST
    I have no idea as to why or how MJ became a superstar. As regards genius, influence and recognition, I still fail to appreciate your comparison. I have been around a fair number of geniuses in my lifetime, and from my observations, all geniuses are not created equal.

    since you want to include the (none / 0) (#112)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:40:58 PM EST
    "whole thing"

    ...and his movement shows such effortless grace that I'm sure could have translated to composition:

    it was quite a long thread.


    Yeah (none / 0) (#115)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:58:07 PM EST
    Had he had a different life he could have been another Anna Pavlova, maybe.

    Are we now equating influence (none / 0) (#97)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 02:54:53 PM EST
    with artistic merit? A mystique industry army of publicists, A&R men, media moguls can make anyone influential these days. McDonalds is more influential than the movement to grow your own food.

    And, if it's true that he was the only black artist white kids listened to, what does that tell us? It tells me that they  were just as much lead by the nose to listen to M.J (and no one else
    past or present, for whatever reasons) as they were turned on by his obvious talent.

    Mozart = Jackson is out-of-context, ahistorical hyperbole, IMO.


    Agree (none / 0) (#98)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:04:08 PM EST
    It is an absurd comparison. It speaks only about naiveté or out and out ignorance. Your McDucks comparison is spot on, imo.

    I don't know... (none / 0) (#99)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:14:24 PM EST
    is it absurd to compare Jimi Hendrix to Mozart?  

    Artistic genius takes many forms....if Mozart lived in the 20th century he may well have composed pop tunes you could dance to.


    Well, I know (none / 0) (#101)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:17:04 PM EST
    it's human nature, but I think those kind of comparisons just confuse people.

    It is fun but pointless... (none / 0) (#103)
    by kdog on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:24:42 PM EST
    to compare two artists from the same era, let alone spanning centuries...art is a product of the artist and the world in which they reside.  And within the same era, people live in different worlds.

    lol (none / 0) (#102)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:23:24 PM EST
    The only comparison that seems reasonable to me is that they both would never have amounted to much without an overbearing obsessive father who relentlessly trained them.

    Hey would James Joyce written comic books if he were alive today? Davinci been a grafitti artist? lol....

    Also that does not take away from anyones genius. Hendrix was a great genius as is Dillan, no doubt about it, but they are in a totally different context than Mozart.


    We're all swimming in a (none / 0) (#104)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:52:56 PM EST
    wag-the-dog ocean of jive and spin and it's up to each one of us to figure out some way to separate the wheat from the chaff.

    Btw, IMO the jive and spin had just as much to do with killing M.J as anything else.


    Yes (none / 0) (#108)
    by squeaky on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:16:21 PM EST
    He had a hard and complex life.

    I remember that he was late for his court case and took time out to dance on top of his car for his fans. The judge was not too happy about him showing up late and the fans applauding in the courtroom.

    His little dance car roof dance made me smile. MJ sure had spirit and obviously loved his fans as much as they loved him.

    He said he regretted that his client arrived in the courtroom late and vowed to ensure it will not happen again.

    Asked if the judge might be offended about Jackson's use of the SUV roof as a stage, Brafman said, "He's Michael Jackson. He's an entertainer. He's not by profession a defendant in a criminal case. There is no rule book for how Michael Jackson, an entertainer, performs."



    And, he had a circle of friends that few could (none / 0) (#7)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:37:51 PM EST
    boast....Elizabeth Taylor to Brooke Shields.

    There will probably never be another quite like him.


    I always liked (none / 0) (#9)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:39:47 PM EST
    me too (5.00 / 0) (#11)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:42:48 PM EST
    there was dozens of videos of music I would have liked more than the one I posted.  but like the one you posted the "transformation" had already begun.
    the sad transformation, I think.
    he was a little like Pinocchio and Midas rolled into one.

    Well, the one I posted (none / 0) (#15)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:45:59 PM EST
    is pretty much as I first remember him. Born in the 80s and all.

    yeah? (5.00 / 0) (#17)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:47:50 PM EST
    on man.  check this out

    Here's a vid or two from (none / 0) (#30)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:01:26 PM EST
    pretty much the pre-plastic surgery days.  Pretty much.

    He was a handsome guy.

    Of course, being born in the Billie Jean era, you also missed disco.  You are lucky.

    (and caveat:  I see nothing wrong with plastic surgery.  However, this man had a mental disorder and a great many enablers, including some pretty unethical surgeons, IMHO.).


    Thanks for those! (none / 0) (#40)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:14:39 PM EST
    He was handsome, and back in the day, I thought he was the cutest brother. I so wanted to dance with him.

    I wonder how many of the current gen know of this "old" vids?


    He looked so "normal" then!!! (none / 0) (#13)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:45:18 PM EST
    I remember thinking then that "wow he had a lot of plastic surgery".  But at that point, we hadn't seen anything yet.

    I read that he'd scheduled a sold out "come back" tour in England for this July.  He insisted it would be his last one.  And now he'll have his comeback, now he'll suddenly be popular again.  If only he could have lived to see it. Oh, the irony.


    Celebrity exacts a price. (5.00 / 1) (#23)
    by ChiTownDenny on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:52:55 PM EST
    I've always chosen to remember his talent, which has been unmatched, and will now be missed.

    His talent lives with us (5.00 / 1) (#25)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:54:31 PM EST
    And in that sense, I don't think he'll ever die.

    sadly (5.00 / 1) (#28)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:55:44 PM EST
    I think now that he is dead all the seamy rumors and gossip will be forgotten and all that will be left is his music.

    on second thought, maybe thats not so sad.


    He was acquitted (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:32:45 PM EST
    All they should remember is his music. That's his legacy. To this day he has the best selling record of all times.

    Man in the Mirror & Ebony & Ivory (none / 0) (#117)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 05:19:23 PM EST
    were singled out by a biographer of Michael Jackson featured on Rachel Maddow last night (can't recall her name).  Rachel and the biographer spoke mainly about MJ's significant contributions as a multi-talented artist, as well as his contributions on race matters through insistence that MTV open up to black artists and the very song Ebony & Ivory.  The biographer made the interesting point (I thought) that MJ was one of the early black celebs to transcend race, much like Oprah, e.g.

    My childhood seems to be melting away today. (5.00 / 3) (#16)
    by Lil on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:47:21 PM EST

    no kidding (5.00 / 1) (#18)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:48:38 PM EST
    its like the passing of the 80s all in one day.

    We still have Madonna. . . (5.00 / 1) (#19)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:50:04 PM EST
    this (5.00 / 3) (#20)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:51:33 PM EST
    is supposed to cheer me up?

    I love Madonna (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:13:27 PM EST
    When Madonna did the 'Like a Prayer' video and flipped the Catholic church completely out I knew I would love her till I died.  And low dogging that low dog Warren Beatty.  I thought he was going to cry or something..

    Well, no (none / 0) (#22)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:52:46 PM EST
    please stay on topic (none / 0) (#69)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:43:41 PM EST
    It's Michael Jackson. Thanks!

    I'm obviously older (5.00 / 0) (#21)
    by Lil on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:52:20 PM EST
    I harken back to the 70's

    um (5.00 / 0) (#24)
    by Capt Howdy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:53:17 PM EST
    60s here
    but I loved the 70s & 80s.  that was the salad days for me.

    lol (none / 0) (#26)
    by Lil on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:54:39 PM EST
    Born in 1959. Turning 50 this year!

    I feel the same way (5.00 / 0) (#34)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:07:26 PM EST
    well put...RIP

    That's just how I feel (5.00 / 0) (#41)
    by Democratic Cat on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:15:01 PM EST
    Two icons of my youth, gone in the same day. They both had struggles,as most of us do, but theirs were endured in the limelight.  I hope they are both at peace.

    And both so (none / 0) (#118)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 05:20:33 PM EST

    Well said (5.00 / 1) (#61)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:30:20 PM EST
    Practiced dancing to the J5 as a girl - Michael was a few months younger than me, and it was just amazing to me that someone my age was doing all of that.

    Went to a midnite showing for the opening of the Thriller 'video' (really a short film) in a theater in L.A. in, oh I guess it was 83 or 84? I was not a huge fan at that point, but a friend was the biggest Michael fan I ever knew. Funny, my friend was not someone you would immediately peg as a MJ fan - not a pop fan in general, but was just drawn to that talent. So we went and saw the opening of Thriller, and of course it was wonderful.

    Farrah of course was the ideal I could never measure up to, being a teenager when that poster was the big thing, but she seemed harmless and nice enough so I don't remember resenting her at all.  You had to appreciate that smile.

    Those were different days without the 24/7 celebrity coverage that makes you sick of the people and cynical about it all. I miss them.


    Different days.... (5.00 / 2) (#77)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:24:08 PM EST
    just barely old enough to remember them, when celebrities had a little mystique and mystery to them...and actual talent!  

    And Michael Jackson was one of the most talented...the kind of talent that trancends all tastes, cliques, genres, scenes...you had to and have to appreciate it.  One of the first records I remember hearing was my sister's "Off the Wall"...I was 9 when Thriller came out...that level of superstardom will never again be achieved.  I mean the guy got millions of people to wear those awful in hindsight red leather zipper jackets and one glittery glove...it was insane. He taught me how to dance, I still bust out the werewolf move from Thriller.

    I can't believe it.


    I know what you mean (5.00 / 1) (#78)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:38:11 PM EST
    Just remembering what a huge deal he was back then. I don't know if it could happen again.  Maybe someday someone will come along with that much talent, and charisma, but I probably won't be around to see it.

    Trying to think of famous character to compare my friend to so you can get the idea of what an unlikely character he was to hang a poster of MJ in our office at work, and recruit his friends for a midnite showing of Thriller. I knew then that MJ must be the ultimate star if he could get him on board. Picture Phillip Seymour Hoffman playing a software geek.


    That musta been... (none / 0) (#80)
    by kdog on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:54:10 PM EST
    some scene ruffian, great story.

    The talent will always come along, but I don't think the 24/7 celebrity coverage Andy Warhol prophecy will ever let any one artist get that huge again.


    Really was a funny period in my life (none / 0) (#81)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 09:19:38 PM EST
    This friend was a real character..

    On TV they have not mentioned the incident when MJ's hair caught on fire when taping a Pepsi commercial. My friend was very upset. We all of course teased him unmercifully. One of the other guys at work defaced his poster with flames on the head.

    god, I've never seen this video with Sheryl Crowe. when did she have all that hair?  


    I think his choreography and his dancing (none / 0) (#119)
    by BackFromOhio on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 05:22:15 PM EST
    were as significant as his song-writing and singing talents.

    exactly how I feel (5.00 / 1) (#89)
    by kenosharick on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 08:20:10 AM EST
    I grew up with his music.

    Another great talent with (5.00 / 1) (#27)
    by Anne on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:55:13 PM EST
    a tortured soul; those pictures of the "before" Michael Jackson always gave me chills as I considered what had to be going on in his head that he could go to such lengths to look so different.

    Hope his soul is finally at peace.

    Was discussing with my daughter (5.00 / 1) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:59:20 PM EST
    who loves music how he redefined some of the music of my growing up and until his later adulthood was probably the most followed musician in my age group.  We all used to know the words to Ben.  I thought it was very sappy though and always liked anything else you could dance to.  My daughter said that she is not certain that her generation has anyone as instrumental in the evolution of music right now that would compare to a Michael Jackson or a Kurt Cobain at this time.

    Imo, music has been missing that element (5.00 / 2) (#36)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:08:14 PM EST
    for quite awhile. MJ gave us quite a bit. They just showed part of thriller, still works, especially in HD! It's funny, as my parents had theirs, which we grew up with, we had ours. My sister shares ours with her daughter. Have to wonder what my niece will share when she has kids? I think my niece is prob a bit older than your daughter.

    Oh, dear, I just remembered it's her birthday . . .


    you dont get a Jackson (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 01:27:46 PM EST
    or an Elvis or a Jimi or a Janis or an Edith Piaf every generation.  they pop up as one offs usually die young and you just have to hope you are lucky enough to be alive to hear them in the flesh.

    and when they come along they dont need "american idol" to break out.
    lets hope there is one or more of these seedlings out there that we have just not heard from yet.


    My favorite (5.00 / 1) (#55)
    by Big Tent Democrat on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:04:44 PM EST
    ABC! (none / 0) (#82)
    by talesoftwokitties on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 09:46:59 PM EST
    Easy as 1 - 2 - 3!

    Workin' Day and Night (none / 0) (#84)
    by Spamlet on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 10:15:05 PM EST
    from Off the Wall

    Thriller (none / 0) (#91)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 08:49:36 AM EST
    is still my favorite.  I am an effects guy after all.

    Singer, songwriter, dancer... (5.00 / 0) (#83)
    by oldpro on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 10:05:37 PM EST
    a remarkable talent and stunning entertainer who blossomed when he left The Jackson Five.  I especially loved watching him dance to Beat It and Billie Jean...so many hat tips to Fosse in his best routines but he put his own spin on it all.

    The wonderful thing about tape and recording is that he will be available to the ages.  His place in music history is solid, I'd say.

    Not to mention (none / 0) (#88)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 12:55:02 AM EST
    the intensity and outright passion of his singing, which I was reminded of today seeing some of the clips.  It's really no wonder girls in the audience swooned.  He could be an incredibly powerful performer emotionally.

    My theory is that he only really felt fully alive and himself on stage.


    Others are confirmingn now. (none / 0) (#2)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:25:03 PM EST

    Oy (none / 0) (#4)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:29:20 PM EST

    Dr. Gupta (none / 0) (#6)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:35:14 PM EST
    explaining that sudden cardiac arrest is different than a heart attack

    And right after he said that (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:33:36 PM EST
    Campbell Brown tells viewers he died of a heart attack. Guess she wasn't listening.

    Yes, but how does he know already (none / 0) (#8)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:39:33 PM EST
    exactly what happened to Michael Jackson? I'm guessing there will be an autopsy.

    Well (none / 0) (#10)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:42:00 PM EST
    Based on what they are reporting - he died of "sudden cardiac arrest" and Gupta is saying, medically, it is a different thing.  

    It is different (none / 0) (#32)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:03:39 PM EST
    cardiac arrest just means the heart stopped pumping blood and there are many reasons that can happen.

    Attack is generally when a clot hits the heart and does damage to the heart muscle.


    cardiac arrest (5.00 / 1) (#71)
    by JamesTX on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:50:57 PM EST
    is not usually the real "reason" for death as most people understand it.

    cardiac arrest just means the heart stopped pumping blood and there are many reasons that can happen.

    Those reasons are many. Cardiac arrest used to be the euphemism of choice for celebrities who died of drug overdose, etc. It was the heart stopping that actually killed them, and listing it as a cause of death effectively covered up whatever caused the heart to stop!

    I don't know what happened to Michael, but we have essentially no explanation with the "cardiac arrest" label. It could be anything.


    Pretty sure that's (5.00 / 1) (#85)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 10:18:52 PM EST
    what I said.

    I think James (5.00 / 1) (#87)
    by gyrfalcon on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 12:52:24 AM EST
    is agreeing with you and elaborating on what you said, not taking you to task.

    Yes, I was (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by JamesTX on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 11:47:36 AM EST
    agreeing with you! Sorry if it appeared otherwise.

    He doesn't (none / 0) (#68)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:40:27 PM EST
    He says we may never know exactly why he had the cardiac arrest, but the autopsy will  give clues about possible toxicology effects.

    Called a "widow-maker." (none / 0) (#49)
    by oculus on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:31:22 PM EST
    Yes (none / 0) (#51)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:41:13 PM EST
    I lost an absolutely beloved teacher to it.  I would never have taken 3 quarters of calculus at age 42 without him.

    He was 55, had just taken his wife for a date night and they'd walked the dog around Green Lake.  He and the dog had gone to pick up the car and they didn't come back.

    The irony is that his wife was a nurse practitioner who specialized in emergency medicine....if she'd been there, maybe?...  I guess it was his time.


    Sudden death is so hard on families (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Jjc2008 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:52:33 PM EST
    I have had more than a few people die quite suddenly: my mother, my sister, my cousin.  All were under sixty.  My grandfather had died that way too.  Back then they did not do an autopsy.   Just said he had a stroke.  
    With my mother it was an aortic aneurysm.  With my cousin, it turned out to be an aortic aneurysm.  With my sister, same thing.  Then I found I had one.  I had it fixed. Several of my cousins are being followed.

    It could be something congenital.  It could have been something drug related (by that, I mean with all his supposed health problems, he could have had some prescriptions that interacted with other ones).
    I suspect the autopsy will tell them more.  But whether it is released will be up to the family. So who knows what the public will be told.


    I'm sorry about (5.00 / 2) (#53)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:55:57 PM EST
    your family members and glad that you had your aorta repaired.

    I hope they don't release the autopsy.  Cardiac arrest, good enough answer.  We don't need to know why.


    Just remembered (none / 0) (#14)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 05:45:19 PM EST
    He's got 3 kids.....

    I feel sorry for his kids (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by hairspray on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 12:10:01 AM EST
    but not for the same reason that most on this site do.  A very sad situation indeed.

    Rest in Peace, MJ and Farrah (none / 0) (#42)
    by WS on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:15:58 PM EST
    Today has been a total shock.

    Wow Jearlyn, the crowd (none / 0) (#43)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:16:37 PM EST
    in that video is electric. And so is Michael. . .

    The 30th one? (none / 0) (#46)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:26:48 PM EST
    I had forgotten about that. He really had it. And the sheer joy of the crowd is just wow.

    Nope, the one above (none / 0) (#48)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:31:05 PM EST
    I used to exercise to his version of Rockin' Robin (none / 0) (#44)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:23:36 PM EST
    when I was a teenager, cruisin' through the house with the stereo (yes, I had the LP - way before CDs and downloads - lol) blasting full volume.  I loved his music, especially stuff from the Billy Jean era.  But I felt sorry for him - all the surgeries, the molestation accusations, the sheer weirdness of his lifestyle.  Such a genius talent but a haunted and sad person.  I believe he had a gentle soul but that the world became too much for him.  Wish he could have had that comeback he so wanted.  RIP, Michael.

    I still have (5.00 / 2) (#64)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:35:13 PM EST
    Beat It and Billie Jean on my exercise playlist on my iPod.

    I hope the media will leave his children alone and (none / 0) (#50)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:33:10 PM EST
    let them live in peace.  

    Just turned on CNN (none / 0) (#54)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:01:44 PM EST
    Michael Jackson is providing the soundtrack to his own death coverage.

    Now suggesting that he was strung out (none / 0) (#56)
    by andgarden on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:04:48 PM EST
    on pills. . .

    I'll be writing about that later (5.00 / 1) (#66)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:38:03 PM EST
    The lawyer who gave that interview to CNN was fired by Jackson during the trial. He was always a loose cannon, in my view. I'm just re-reading my coverage of the 2005 trial, I blogged it every day here. (And did a lot of tv analysis on it.) I'm not buying into what he told CNN today. He's trying to make it out to be bigger than Anna Nicole Smith. Sounds fishy to me.

    Here's a news article (none / 0) (#70)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:44:59 PM EST
    about Oxman's being fired from the trial. Even then he allegedly told tales out of school.

    Thanks J (none / 0) (#72)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:51:12 PM EST
    It seemed lime he was really trying to  milk the situation when he was talking.

    and I hate the whole Anna Nicole Smith comparison. Just irritating, even if it turns out they did die the same way.


    Oh, good grief. This is only the beginning of all (none / 0) (#57)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:09:31 PM EST
    the stories about "how he really died."  Guy couldn't be left alone in real life and now he'll be on the tabloids until eternity.  Ugh.  Why does our society do this?  They're still talking about how Marilyn Monroe "really" died, if JFK was "really shot."  Another book coming out about Jackie Onassis and her supposed relationship with Bobby Kennedy. I'm sick of it already.  

    Wait a little while, though, (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Inspector Gadget on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:13:45 PM EST
    and the sightings will start up.

    Just like Elvis. Sad. (none / 0) (#60)
    by Angel on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:25:04 PM EST
    Me too (none / 0) (#59)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:18:41 PM EST
    That would be a very welcome comeback. Love that voice, look, everything.

    Must turn off CNN now (none / 0) (#65)
    by ruffian on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:36:03 PM EST
    this is all very hard on Larry King. His whole Farrah show is "history".

    OK (none / 0) (#67)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:38:13 PM EST
    so has Donny Osmond has his heart checked lately? colon?

    LOL! (none / 0) (#75)
    by ChiTownDenny on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:01:34 PM EST
    Gallows humor!  Stevie Nicks, Michael McDonald; all from my childhood, take your vitamins!

    Well I'm glad to hear (none / 0) (#73)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:54:31 PM EST
    Michael may have had some time of lucidity in his later years.

    It's possible that he willed the Beatles tunes  (the ones he still owned) back to Paul McCartneyLink

    I'm so glad if it's true.  Refusing to sell them back was such a jack*ss thing to do.

    Well, an artist owning other living (5.00 / 2) (#76)
    by brodie on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:07:02 PM EST
    artists' songs always seemed wrong, especially after McCartney tried to work a reasonable deal with MJ to sell him back the rights.  (I'm unfamiliar with the story of how McC and the Lennon estate lost control in the first place).

    We'll see about that will story.  And even if true, it sounds like MJ had a lot of major creditors, including the BofA which had the Beatles' catalog interest as collateral on a massive personal loan.  Could take years of messy Howard Hughes-like litigation to sort out.


    Or (5.00 / 1) (#79)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:38:36 PM EST
    like Anna Nicole Smith.  The 9th circuit held a hearing on it here in Seattle today.  Anna is dead, Pierce Marshall is dead, the case of who inherits the senior Marshall's money is still alive.

    Right now some bar band (none / 0) (#106)
    by jondee on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:05:51 PM EST
    somewhere in the world is playing Bonie Maronie, Slow Down or Dizzie Miss Lizzie yet when I met Larry Williams back in the late seventies, he was literally living in the street. Then I read in a (small) blurb in Rolling Stone a few months later that he had been found dead from a self-inflicted gun shot wound.

    Just to keep things in perspective.


    Damn (none / 0) (#74)
    by SOS on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:57:55 PM EST
    Snatched away in an instant.

    Saw him on Ed Sullivan and every one knew this little kid was going places.

    honestly (none / 0) (#96)
    by Capt Howdy on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 01:30:29 PM EST
    I think he lasted longer than the usual rule of thumb for talent of that brilliance.  we have a disturbing way of destroying these people with our attention.
    "the flame that burns twice as bright burns half as long"