SC Gov. Sanford Admits Extra-Marital Affair

South Carolina Governor Mark Sanford has returned from Argentina and admits he has been having an affair (that began by e-mail) with a woman who lives there. He says his wife has known about the affair. His wife said today she asked him to leave the family home two weeks ago.

Sanford has submitted his resignation as chairman of the Republican Governors Association. Here's the transcript of his press conference remarks. Another paper is printing Sanford's romantic e-mails to the woman. How embarrassing for all of them.

Bottom line: He's a Republican whom we now don't have to worry about being on a future national ticket. Other than that, it's his business and I have no interest in reporting more details of his affair, making fun of him or castigating him for his behavior. It's between him, his family and the people of South Carolina who elected him.

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    I'm so shocked (5.00 / 1) (#1)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 06:55:16 PM EST

    Now we know why his wife (5.00 / 5) (#2)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 06:57:17 PM EST
    wasn't concerned about his disappearance!!!!  Heh!!!

    He's only lucky (5.00 / 2) (#3)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 06:58:28 PM EST
    that she didn't disappear him herself! ;-).

    I think there is a distinct possibility that (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:01:18 PM EST
    you and I could probably find ourselves liking Mrs. Sanford if we knew her personally :)

    Thankfully, we were spared (5.00 / 2) (#9)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:12:39 PM EST
    the wife standing at his side routine.

    Thankfully (none / 0) (#14)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:27:27 PM EST
    Isn't it refreshing?

    The downside of course (5.00 / 4) (#18)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:39:59 PM EST
    Not that there is a good way to get through this, but he held the press conference before he ever went home to see his wife and children. Perhaps the next time this comes up, they can leave the spouse at home but at least stop and see the family before going on national television confessing their infidelity to the world and publicly disrupting the lives of the rest of the family.

    Sounds like they need to add a "how to go public with your affair" chapter to the politicians handbook to help minimize the damage to those you left at home.


    At least the Republican one they do (none / 0) (#29)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:57:39 PM EST
    Because I don't know about the rest of you but I'm pretty sure I'm a damn sinner...there's just life consequences for me. I'm deeply in touch with that truth and I desire nothing to distract me from minding my own business before my  unminded self righteous business gets me in trouble again :)

    Thing is that if you disappeared (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:17:29 PM EST
    for five days without telling anyone where you were and you were say a cashier at 7-11, you would probably not have a job when you returned.

    The "little" people (5.00 / 1) (#75)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:16:15 AM EST
    are ALWAYS held to a higher standard.

    I'm thinking he probably would (none / 0) (#36)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:15:29 PM EST
    not have been welcome - and that he's going to be discussing visitation rights with an attorney rather than planning family church picnic outings with his wife.

    Stop, I'm dying laughing (5.00 / 1) (#22)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:48:11 PM EST
    But it's so damn true.  Can she get the governorship in the divorce?  I mean please, SC deserves a leader...someone who can govern and has standards....and isn't so easily distracted by the exotic.

    South Carolina deserves (5.00 / 3) (#26)
    by Jen M on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:52:37 PM EST
    Someone who doesn't go AWOL and desert his post without getting someone to cover for him.

    Uh Oh, another soldier person (none / 0) (#30)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:02:14 PM EST
    I've noticed that soldiers aren't cutting this jerk any slack because why should any of us?  Soldiers are public servants too making a whole lot less cashola than this dude is and you guys don't step off the wall on a whim without a court martial and severe attacks of guilt for the rest of your life.  God, now my teeth itch...the arrogance of this guy is astounding!

    of course in my day (5.00 / 1) (#34)
    by Jen M on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:13:08 PM EST
    (back when we rode horses and used bows and arrows)
    the army was looser about a lot of things. But not THAT!

    SC gov. (none / 0) (#103)
    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:05:10 AM EST
    We are screwed!  The lt. gov. is a juvenile idiot--thinks driving around 90 mph is an office perk.  And fingers are pointing over a program for seniors he may have been taking for whatever loose change was around.

    slim (none / 0) (#105)
    by dws3665 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:19:50 AM EST
    While I have nothing but sympathy for Mrs. Sanford and the way her husband's behavior has exposed her and her sons to embarrassment, I doubt you would find her to be sympathetic to the viewpoints, political or social, of most TL readers.

    She has been his closest political and policy adviser. And that's not a pretty picture.

    The parts of her statement that most news outlets have not publicized include a reference to Psalm 127 and other biblical stuff that clearly reflects her ultra-conservative viewpoints.

    Again, she deserves sympathy, but she is not a kindred spirit, socially or politically speaking.


    So what? (none / 0) (#112)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 01:07:18 PM EST
    Just because people are religious does not mean they are crazy zealots who want to inflict their religion on everyone.  If quoting a line from Scripture and her religion helps her get through this, then whatever works, I say.

    One of the reasons I stopped watching Bill Maher is because he is so hostile and so offensive to people who have practice a religion - inlcuding calling them stupid.  (Ben Affleck called him out on it on one his shows - telling Bill he was offensive).


    beg pardon? (none / 0) (#117)
    by dws3665 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 10:37:56 PM EST
    I was not criticizing her or her faith, merely pointing out that it's unlikely that most TL posters would like her if they got to know her. She is not progressive in any way. I couldn't care less whether she uses religion, booze, or yoga to help deal with the stress she's experiencing.

    You sure she didn't.... (none / 0) (#65)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:04:23 PM EST
    she learned of the affair some 5 months ago. I can easily see her making him go without all marital benefits (including dinner) since then and finally telling him to get back down there, get it out of his system, and don't come back unless it has been ended. Topping it off with: deal with whatever consequences the media handed him, or face a divorce where he will get nothing to show for his years of hard work.

    That could leave any woman in a position where they felt very much in control of the situation and able to be calm and collected with the media questioning where he might be.


    I could tell right away (5.00 / 2) (#8)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:10:09 PM EST
    from her statement what was going on. She booted him out and didn't want to talk about it!

    Pfft...I couldn't tell (none / 0) (#10)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:15:43 PM EST
    All I knew was she was calm, cool, and collected.  Looking at the open thread this morning...ya'll have known all about this since 1 o'clock this afternoon.

    Now we know why his wife told (5.00 / 1) (#35)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:13:12 PM EST
    a reporter that she wasn't concerned about his being missing.  That was revenge.

    I thought it was peculiar (5.00 / 1) (#39)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:20:15 PM EST
    but I don't pretend to know about other people or their relationships.  Mine's complex enough :)  My husband did buy me a canoe and when I've had enough I do swab down with skeeter repellent and hit the lake pretending to find myself until I see a snake and really find myself. I thought perhaps he was having a breakdown of sorts having had so many vetos overturned or something.  I really did.  It wasn't until that "exotic" thing and then something began to emerge from the fog for me.

    Well, I thought that she was an (5.00 / 0) (#42)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:24:55 PM EST
    idiot.  She torpedoed his career and certainly her admitting that she had no idea where he was but was "not concerned" was not what a shrewd political wife would say to the media regardless of what she did or did not know.

    Then it comes out that he was with his mistress and to me it all made sense.  Hell hath no fury...

    And I found out that she has been his campaign manager for almost every one of his campaigns.  She knew exactly what she was doing to his reputation and probably was really pleased to be able to injure him after what's she's been through with him.


    That would (5.00 / 2) (#45)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:29:15 PM EST
    make her an idiot?

    I would think that makes her a woman trying to stay clear of the affair. If she was acting the part of the woman scorned she would have said...I have no idea where he is. Check with his mistress. I kicked him out two weeks ago.


    I wouldn't know what to say to the (5.00 / 1) (#52)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:59:50 PM EST
    press if my husband was Governor and just up and missing.  If I knew why he had hit the road and if I was done with him and his philandering ways I think I would have said exactly what she said.  Am I supposed to not make a comment?  Wouldn't that have further frightened the people of SC...no info for you....go away.  I can't imagine creating undue concern for the people of SC with my total silence being a responsible thing for the first lady of the state to do. If I lied and "acted" concerned after we had had a confrontation about an affair, well the truth is just going to come out anyhow and I'd want no part of any further fibs concerning my husband. If your spouse has been cheating you are probably flat done with deceit and lies.  I've noticed that people dealing with a deceitful significant other are very sensitive for a time to even a white lie coming from anyone they have to deal with...they are sick of lies and have been hurt by them.

    Um, as far as I'm concerned (5.00 / 1) (#56)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:22:15 PM EST
    that's exactly what she did say in so many words.  I just thought they had a weird relationship (which is quite normal in political circles) and that she was fool enough to disclose to a reporter just how weird it was.  Like Sarah Palin talking about Putin's floating head - over-sharing.  Making everyone look pretty looney which was just not going to be good for his Presidential aspirations.

    Then it turns out she's run a number of successful campaigns so she knows how to handle the media AND then it turns out he had an affair which she had kicked him out for.  Turns out she's out for blood - at least that's my take.  The lengthy media statement she released tonight only reinforces the notion for me anyway.  


    She did exactly what (5.00 / 2) (#72)
    by Madeline on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:53:47 PM EST
    she needed to do.  This is no longer about her or him or 'revenge'.  She had a responsibility to stay out of it and to protect her family.  As I read in some of the reports, her children are very angry about this and from what i make out of it, they wanted her to stand up for herself.

    When adults cross the line children need protection, not marital fights in the press.  Perhaps, all those wives who went public and stood miserably dissociative at press conferences, made an impact on just how much public families want to be tabloid centerfolds.

    AT his press conference, it was interesting to note that Sanford had little or no boundaries anyway...standing in front of cameras and giving details of his falling in love with another woman. Whoa...too much information.  I think that his marriage is over.  He told his wife through that detailed press conference novelette.

    Oh.  And she did not ruin his career, he did.    


    Oh, I didn't know she had been (5.00 / 1) (#47)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:34:02 PM EST
    a campaign manager as well as a wife.  Isn't that dangerous :)?  Well, then the book deal is probably on too.  I'm always a political sucker without you guys giving me aid and you know stuff about politics and who was the campaign manager and who is upset that they may lose their cushy mendacious spot in the party and in D.C. if daddy is publicly acknowledged to be the torturer that he is.

    Well, if she would have put on an act (5.00 / 1) (#63)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:52:00 PM EST
    and acted concerned . . .  problem there also. Frankly the B@stard left her in between a rock and a hard spot by not dealing with his own problems before "disappearing".

    Is anyone reading past the first (5.00 / 0) (#67)
    by inclusiveheart on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:12:37 PM EST
    sentence?  Before we knew what was going on and she was quoted saying that she had no idea where he was to a reporter - and adding that she was not concerned - I thought she was an idiot because she was definitely not helping her husband and certainly helping to derail his Presidential aspirations.

    Then it turns out that he's cheating on her and it becomes really clear that she knew exactly what she was doing.


    Soooo, nobody really knew he was (none / 0) (#68)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:17:23 PM EST
    'missing' until she led a reporter to understand that she didn't know where her husband was?

    Kind of - I think she added to the (none / 0) (#116)
    by inclusiveheart on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 04:41:05 PM EST
    scope of the mystery and intrigue by stirring the pot with her on the record response.

    Adding that she was not concerned implies (none / 0) (#69)
    by nycstray on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:23:28 PM EST
    this wasn't something over concerning from someone who knew him well. She could have gone in the other direction and worried something was wrong. Wasn't there a lag between that and the hiking story getting out?

    It's being reported.... (none / 0) (#92)
    by Moishele on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:50:01 AM EST
    that Mrs Sanford threw him out before he left for his hiking trip... err drive along the coast of Argentina... err his visit to his mistress.

    The presser I saw yesterday showed a man who said he was sorry, and said what he had done was wrong, but those comments were heavily undercut by the self serving details as to how he 'drifted' into the affair.

    Did Sanford really believe that thousands of miles distance made writing inappropriate emails not matter? It was as if he didn't personally make any of the decisions that led to the affair- 'circumstances' made it all happen. But isn't that the way it is with all things Republicans do?


    Take a hike, she sdm (none / 0) (#16)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:38:04 PM EST
    Book deal is next

    What does sdm mean? (none / 0) (#23)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:49:00 PM EST
    It means I am @ LAX on (5.00 / 2) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:51:55 PM EST
    My Blackberry and my eyesight is beyond fuzzy. "Sd." means "said."

    Drunk again on a laptop :) (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:05:36 PM EST
    She doesn't seem book dealish to me.  I could be wrong, have been many times before.

    No--him silly John Edwards has a book (none / 0) (#61)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:33:15 PM EST
    Deal. Why shouldn't the Gov.?

    Politically (5.00 / 0) (#76)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:24:42 AM EST
    Sanford will weather this storm like Gingrich, Vitter, etc.  Don't be surprised if Ensign also is given a pass. Generally speaking Republicans usually get off.

    Edwards, being a Democrat, is politically finished just like Eliot Spitzer is probably finished.


    We're starting to hear from Spitzer a bit (5.00 / 2) (#81)
    by nycstray on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:41:39 AM EST
    he's prob done for office (but these days, who knows!).  When he has popped up, I don't mind hearing from him. I think it has something to do with leaving office and keeping a low profile. Also, it's not like he was all in my face about the religious moral high ground and trying to take away my rights etc. Edwards and Spitzer may still have the opportunity to recast themselves to a degree ala Clinton.

    I would hope so (none / 0) (#101)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 10:49:41 AM EST
    Spitzer, IMO, had something to offer.

    Man, I don't know (5.00 / 1) (#83)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:50:50 AM EST
    It wasn't just an affair.  He wasn't reachable, he was MIA, and he's a Governor.  I think he's done.

    No pun intended? (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by vicndabx on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 02:34:20 PM EST
    Generally speaking Republicans usually get off.

    Oh god, you're kidding me (none / 0) (#71)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:32:22 PM EST
    He does?  I liked his stance on the issues, what sort of fortitude is at work here now though.  It's bizarre to me.  He can't need the money but then again I say stuff like that and find out I'm wrong.  Does he seek public forgiveness?

    I suspect he's seeking (5.00 / 0) (#73)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 11:40:38 PM EST
    personal forgiveness from himself.  Elizabeth has discovered he's not who she thought he was, but I think he's also pretty clearly discovered he's not who he thought he was, either.  It's worst for her, of course, but it's also hard for him to come to grips with what he did and why.  There are creepy amoral philanderers, and then there are good people who fool themselves into one thing and another and screw up once, or repeatedly like Bill Clinton, and engage in a genuine struggle to make sense of what's going on inside themselves.

    I think that's very true (5.00 / 1) (#82)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:47:49 AM EST
    I wish he'd save the book though if this is an attempt to explain who he is now.  Everybody is complex and when his scandal went down with a wife very ill and his Clinton smack talk....he's going to get a lot more mileage out of focusing his time and efforts on fighting poverty. I'm not going to read his book, it isn't a priority.  A lot of people have done stupid things but it's usually hypocrisy that leaves the nasty social wounds.  Sincere deeds done have healed many past human failings.

    One thing (5.00 / 5) (#4)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 06:59:56 PM EST
    that seriously bugs me is that Faux News put a D next to his name when they aired his press conference.  Does anyone think it's a coincidence that Faux always puts D's next to the names of Republicans with scandals?  Not me!

    I just saw that (none / 0) (#7)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:07:00 PM EST
    I've been gone all day and I come home to that.  How many times have they done this before in the middle of some (R) scandal?  I'm losing count.  Then you end up arguing with all the wingers in your life who aren't from SC and you grab a puter and google it up, but google is the internet and you can find anything on the internet.  It's so effing stupid tedious :)

    They (5.00 / 2) (#13)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:25:25 PM EST
    know that it works.  I'm sure they're going to pin GW Bush on the D's too....(not my original thought, I picked it up from a blog on the internets).

    But you know, the way the Democrats are attempting to morph into Republicans, does it really matter?


    holy cow! (none / 0) (#94)
    by DFLer on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:28:03 AM EST
    they did that AGAIN? that's evil.

    I found this (5.00 / 1) (#5)
    by AlkalineDave on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:00:30 PM EST
    interesting http://mediamatters.org/blog/200906240026
    Accidental? Yes/No
    By the way, it is personal.  The only thing that concerns me is if the "fiscal hawk" used government funds to carry these trysts out.

    What is it with anti-gay marriage Repubs (5.00 / 6) (#12)
    by Swiggs on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:23:28 PM EST
    My issue with this guy is he wants to put his nose into other people's private lives and deny marriage or even civil unions between gay couples.  I bugs the heck out of me that the very people who most loudly proclaim their desire to "save" "traditional marriage/families" are the ones who are usually busiest disrespecting and destroying their own.  

    This guy is just flat out a p*tz.

    As always for me (5.00 / 1) (#17)
    by Lil on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:38:30 PM EST
    it is the righteousness of so many Republicans that just really pisses me off. It's not the sex scandal, it is acting all family values and destroying Dems when they get caught, while they are out catting around at least as much. Ick.

    Sanford Supported Impeaching Bill Clinton (5.00 / 5) (#20)
    by john horse on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:45:48 PM EST
    for lying about sex when he was in the House of Representatives.

    The GOP is the "do as I say, not as I do" party.  What a bunch of hypocrites.

    Not another one (5.00 / 1) (#31)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:02:59 PM EST
    They're like swine flu

    That's really (none / 0) (#77)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:28:09 AM EST
    putting both pigs and viruses in bad company.

    I have no interest in the personal (5.00 / 3) (#28)
    by Anne on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:55:56 PM EST
    details of the Sanfords' marriage; I am, on the other hand, exceedingly tired of getting the holier-than-thou family values and sanctity-of-marriage lectures from people who have no regard for either but who think they are qualified to lecture and legislate for everyone else.

    But what else do the Republicans have, at this point?  A whole lotta nothing, it seems to me, which makes it even harder for me to understand why, at almost every turn, our Democratic president is practically groveling for Republican approval on issues and legislation we have waited years to be in a position to put forward in an effort to improve the quality of so many lives that have suffered under the mean-spirited and hypocritical Republican rule, and to strengthen the democracy.

    Sorry the Sanfords' marriage is falling apart, along with the lives of their children, but that's about as much as I need or want to know about it.

    It's the hypocrisy that gets me. (5.00 / 4) (#60)
    by caseyOR on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:29:40 PM EST
    Just like John Ensign last week, Sanford is a charter member of the "same-sex will destroy traditional marriage" club. Seems to me that my entering into a lesbian marriage is the least of these guys' problems.

    And, let's not forget, Sanford and Ensign, like good old John Edwards before them, were quite nasty and unforgiving of Bill Clinton during the impeachment hearings.

    I don't care about the sex lives of politicians, or really of anyone but me and my partner. I do, however, despise those who preach to and condemn others, and try to legislate the morality of the rest of us.



    Don't Cry For Me, Argentina. (5.00 / 5) (#33)
    by Angel on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:12:48 PM EST
    I haven't read the posts but I've been waiting all day to say this!  lol

    I tried to spin that into (5.00 / 1) (#40)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:20:32 PM EST
    Don't look for me I'm in Argentina.

    But my singing just couldn't bring it off.


    He may have come "clean" but (5.00 / 2) (#41)
    by Baal on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:21:27 PM EST
    he is still covering his rear end since his "explanation" raises all sorts of questions -- including the one of whether he used state funds to carry on his affair.  He had after all, taken a state funded trip to Argentina last year.  There is a lot about his account of his trip to Argentina that does not stand up to scrutiny.  Why was he gone for so long?  If he was ending the affair, would not a phone call suffice, or a one-day trip?  What was he doing for all that time?  Who in his office spilled the beans to the local newspaper (who knew about this and had a reporter waiting for him at the airport)?  

    Uh Oh, a liberal CPA in our midst (none / 0) (#43)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:26:36 PM EST
    That's the thing about your CPA and covering your bases and other things.  It isn't personal, it's business.

    A goodbye (none / 0) (#78)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:30:16 AM EST
    boink maybe.

    Don't forget the Hello boink (none / 0) (#91)
    by dead dancer on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:39:32 AM EST
    Firt comes the Hello boink.

    And then sadly, the goodbye boink.

    He he


    All I have to say (5.00 / 4) (#44)
    by andgarden on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:28:01 PM EST
    is that he's an effing hypocrite of the highest order. Try to square his words and his behavior, and you'd have to believe that "traditional marriage" is between one man, one woman. . .and another woman.

    It's worse than that. He's a...ahem... (5.00 / 4) (#46)
    by oldpro on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:32:11 PM EST
    "Promise Keeper!"

    Sanctimonious hypocrites seem to be a major subset of the Republican Party.


    Oh No No No NO (5.00 / 1) (#48)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:38:35 PM EST
    Just stop....not another Promise Keeper!  Ensign was one too.  I saw one of their weekend get togethers at the Bronco's standium in Denver.  As a feminist it scared me and I couldn't exactly tell you why back then.  It was a very long time ago, before Dubya and company I think.

    It scared you because they believe that their (5.00 / 3) (#51)
    by Angel on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:58:11 PM EST
    wives are supposed to be subservient to them.  And all the other icky stuff that goes with that belief system.  Your instincts were right.  These people are creepy.

    There was thousands of them (none / 0) (#54)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:05:13 PM EST
    and they were all staying in the stadium for a weekend together.  Thousands and thousands of men trapped together in an enclosed space for a weekend in the name of hetrosexuality, matrimony, and monogamy.  You would think they would have needed some women around to truly celebrate all that.  It was really frickin weird!

    The mind reels (5.00 / 0) (#74)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 11:43:07 PM EST
    at the thought of that many desperately confused psyches all in one place...

    Nah...happens all the time. (5.00 / 1) (#84)
    by oldpro on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 02:16:37 AM EST
    Stadia hold all kinds of get togethers of weirdos...some of them every Sunday and some are on my TV every damn day!

    Then, of course, there's Monday Night Football, etc. etc.


    But they have girls there too (none / 0) (#102)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 10:56:19 AM EST
    Girls and gay people aren't banned :)  It's just less wierd to me.

    Jeralyn's Best Post in a While (5.00 / 1) (#49)
    by kidneystones on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:45:52 PM EST
    Thanks Jeralyn for sound, succinct summary of the newsworthy facts.

    perhaps, perhaps not. (5.00 / 1) (#53)
    by cpinva on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:04:04 PM EST
    It's between him, his family and the people of South Carolina who elected him.

    since the gov. has supposedly been positioning himself for a run at the oval office (presumably on hold until 2012, when the republicans will "forget"), he's been just as sleazily cheesy and self-righteous as the rest of his party. so, were i the snarky type, i'd have no problem publicly eviscerating him, early and often.

    i have no sympathy for his wife either, since she stood by and said nothing, while he supported the "family values" platform of his (and presumably her's) party. i do feel sorry for the kids, caught, as always and without any fault of their's, in the middle.

    remember class, there's no such thing as a "moderate" republican, merely a right-wing hack dressed in a nice suit, and sporting a good haircut.

    You're missing the bigger picture (5.00 / 0) (#93)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:09:23 AM EST
    Other than that, it's his business and I have no interest in reporting more details of his affair, making fun of him or castigating him for his behavior. It's between him, his family and the people of South Carolina who elected him.

    Yes, I agree, it IS the people of South Carolina's business, but he SHOULD be castigated.  Don't care about the tawdry details of the affiar (although we know that's all that is getting play right now), but more importantly, the governor left the state and did not turn over any powers to the Lt. Gov in case of emergency. I don't know the set-up of the SC Constitution, but my guess is if something happened where a state of emergency needed to be declared, there was no one who could do it, nor anyone with the legal authority to mobilize state funds for assistance.  THAT'S the real scandal here.

    Just as if Obama (could) go off somewhere without anyone knowing and something happened - say, we were attacked.  There is no provision in the Constitution (despite what Cheney thought) that allows the Vice President to start running things or to order military action.


    On another note - I just read his wife's statement.  I thought it was classy.  And the reason she didn't know he was gone was because she kicked him out a couple of weeks ago and told him she wanted no contact from him, nor should he have any contact with the boys for the time being.

    Hopefully (5.00 / 1) (#95)
    by lilburro on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:31:41 AM EST
    we can soon reach some critical mass of political sex scandals and then put the sexual hypocrisy behind us.

    This is even MORE ridiculous (Sanford on the Clinton impeachment):

    SANFORD: I would say it was-- something that people were excited about back home. People were talking about it. Again, the people you hear from at times, they-- they can be a vocal minority. But people were incensed. I mean, I think that there were enough sordid details to get people genuinely ticked off at-- the irreverence for the office.



    People are incensed (none / 0) (#106)
    by Molly Pitcher on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:22:48 AM EST
    Yes, those of us stuck in SC are disgusted, especially after his antics trying to keep the state from getting the stimulus money (but that we'd have had to repay anyway).  As to officially turning state business over to Lt. Gov. Bauer, we'd have been better off with Joe Citizen in charge.

    The sad part here... (none / 0) (#15)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:31:33 PM EST
    This happens in homes across the country everyday where it can stay between husband and wife and either worked through or ended without the spotlight. If you are a politician in the public eye it's a front page story across the country making it far more difficult for those wronged to come to terms, and also throwing the issue right onto the everyday lives of the children.

    Okay now CoralGables (5.00 / 4) (#27)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:52:38 PM EST
    He's getting paid plenty o'cash.  Enough that he can buy his girlfriend some splashy flipflops but he's a public servant in a very large position just 'taking a hike' on a whim.  I don't care if he got booted to the Motel Notell...someone had better know how to get a hold of him or we had better know why.  And now we do.

    You're right (5.00 / 1) (#37)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:17:18 PM EST
    I can't disagree with any of that. But having read that he is very budget conscious, I doubt he would have sprung for the splashy Rainbows...or maybe budget conscious only held for family and residents of SC.

    CNN has a winner (none / 0) (#21)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:46:01 PM EST

    He's just been gone for too many days (5.00 / 1) (#50)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 08:46:18 PM EST
    and it was way too much crap for the position he holds, he's a Governor....MIA!  And he's been a bit crazy prior to this with all that no bailout money and such.  This is going to be on for a really long time, however long that is in news cycle time.  I did enjoy Obama telling a reporting asking a stupid question at his last press conference that he (Obama) was not on a 24 hour news cycle.

    The whole gang--including (5.00 / 2) (#59)
    by oculus on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:29:25 PM EST
    Carville and of course references to John Edwards and Bill Clinton. How about Vitter?

    Do you know what Joshua just (5.00 / 1) (#62)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:35:25 PM EST
    loves and imitates all the time....Jib Jab's portrayal of Hillary slapping Bill.  He has such a sense of humor, and he watched a Jib Jab with me a long time ago and asked why that guy was getting slapped.  I explained as best I could and then Hillary ran.  Josh ran around the house and cars saying What'd I do?  What'd I do? at every opportune moment.

    but....but...but Dad? (none / 0) (#24)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 07:50:09 PM EST

    Check out the CNN website, the Sanford emails (none / 0) (#55)
    by Angel on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:16:29 PM EST
    are emerging.  

    The dude writes a mean love letter (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:28:43 PM EST
    but I'm too tired from arguing the last right leaning dude I ran into and wrote a mean love letter into a more congruent and rational political and social thought process :)  One such triumph is good enough for one lifetime.  I'm done.

    they are in the Columbia, SC newspaper (4.00 / 1) (#57)
    by CoralGables on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 09:22:24 PM EST
    and would be far better if they were left private.

    Oh my (none / 0) (#64)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:03:20 PM EST
    who would have released these but the wife.  She has a mega-vendetta against him.  

    All I can say is to her is:

    You go girl!


    I was wondering how such things (none / 0) (#70)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:28:09 PM EST
    would have been revealed to the press seemingly so easily.

    Or not. (none / 0) (#97)
    by MileHi Hawkeye on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 09:07:52 AM EST
    Mark Sanford said he wants to reconcile with his wife. His spokesman said he has no plans to resign. And Jenny Sanford said Wednesday the couple still has a shot regardless of what happens to her husband's political career.

    "I believe Mark has earned a chance to resurrect our marriage," she said.



    On "Morning Joe" this morning (none / 0) (#100)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 09:54:20 AM EST
    Mike Allen of Politico was talking something about the possiblity of the state police getting these emails to the paper.  Now, this is totally unsubstantiated, but it would definitely make for another interesting twist - a coup agains the governor!

    More suspects than an Agatha Christie novel (none / 0) (#107)
    by dws3665 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:28:37 AM EST
    Sanford is wildly -- WILDLY -- unpopular within the state governmental bureaucracy. The legislators on both sides of the aisle hate him, government agencies whose budgets he's glibly slashed hate him, the Lt. Gov (a GOP pretty boy) hates him, the media don't like him ... it's endless an endless list.

    Jumping to the conclusion that it was Mrs. Sanford, which many have done, is tempting but perhaps a rush to judgment.


    Agreed (none / 0) (#108)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:05:28 PM EST
    and based on the articles in The State (the newspaper of Columbia, SC) this morning, it appears both the anonymous emails and the anonymous tip on incoming plane flight to Hartsfield came from the same person. Gina Smith, reporter for The State, was the sole media person finding him on his return from Argentina.

    If he doesn't have a presidential rpath anymore, (none / 0) (#66)
    by jawbone on Wed Jun 24, 2009 at 10:07:46 PM EST
    maybe he won't be so stingy about the needs of peope in his state.

    Don't hold your breath (5.00 / 1) (#80)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:39:55 AM EST
    a wingnut is a wingnut.  

    I'm laughing (none / 0) (#79)
    by cal1942 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:34:26 AM EST
    my arse off.

    Don't Understand the Comment? (none / 0) (#87)
    by pluege on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 04:43:55 AM EST
    He's a Republican whom we now don't have to worry about being on a future national ticket.

     1) marital infidelity is practically a requirement for republican presidential candidates - a badge of their hypocrisy bonifides.

     2) Why would we "worry" about sanford? He is one of the many republican misfits that progressives should be happy to have on display for the American people - to help Americans understand the psychotic nature of the republican personna so they can keep the republican whackos from attaining the reigns of power where they do so much damage.

    Luckily for us "misfits" (none / 0) (#98)
    by Slado on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 09:15:12 AM EST
    the democrats are well on their way to opening the door for us in 2010 and 2012.  All this "scandal" is window dressing compared to the shambles our economy is in and the blame Bush excuses will be running out shortly.

    Between the climate tax, healthcare tax, stimulus waste, GM bailouts etc... we'll have more then enough issues to roast the party in charge with come the mid terms and boyond.

    Keep up the good work democrats.  The misfits are waiting for their turn again.


    climate tax...love that one... (none / 0) (#118)
    by of1000Kings on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:54:44 AM EST
    didn't know there was a law in the US that states that if a business is doing something that is BLATANTLY against the common good of the people and then is taxed for this misdeed that the tax has to AUTOMATICALLY be transfered to the people, rather than staying where it needs to be...

    I always loved that argument...I mean, we can't have these guys downgrading to a 140 ft yacht now can we...that would just be a wrong against God, the God that wants them to have that 180 ft yacht...lol, while they pass the tax of THEIR SINS onto their customers (because we know that even though republicans preach personal responsibility they don't believe in it AT ALL)....

    it's all good to tax cigarettes, but if we want to tax companies that put out a million times more health-affecting chemicals into the air then we're doing something wrong...uhmmmm, ya, that makes sense to me...sure...if I turn off my brain anyway...

    man I love Republican logic...well, that's a bit of an oxymoron...

    off my 'climate tax' soapbox...


    Human Nature (none / 0) (#88)
    by mmc9431 on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 06:51:53 AM EST
    I wish the steady stream of these incidents would finally open a national dialogue over the social straight jacket that the right tries to enforce.

    Like a lot of people, I grew up with the opinion that my family was totally fried. As an adult, I've come to realize that all families are disfunctional.

    I have no sympathy for hypocrates. They deserve to be called out. It might make the next one think a little more before they get up on their high horse and try to force their phoney morality on everyone else.

    they should have just released the DC madame (none / 0) (#119)
    by of1000Kings on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 03:58:20 AM EST
    client books...

    then we wouldn't have this slow leak and it would all be out at once...

    I don't have a problem with the extra-marital affair (well, it's not my business anyway), I'm just with the people who have a problem with the blatant hypocrisy (and it's the worst kind of hypocrisy b/c these people have the ability to TELL US how to live our lives--and put us behind bars-- while they live their lives anywhich way they please w/o repercussions)


    The right cheats on their wives (none / 0) (#89)
    by Slado on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:32:01 AM EST
    and the left doesn't pay taxes.

    Hypocrisy abounds and when one side claims the moral high ground the rug is quikly pulled out from underneath them.

    Good post Jeralyn.

    so why do they keep claiming the moral high ground (none / 0) (#120)
    by of1000Kings on Fri Jun 26, 2009 at 04:00:27 AM EST
    I don't get it...

    only one party claims to be the party of social morals anyway, and had it's last president put in office almost solely on that basis...

    and yeah, I'm sure all those Repubs are great at paying 15% tax rate with all the loopholes, while your average joe pays nearly twice as much...


    Unless, Of Course (none / 0) (#90)
    by bob h on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 07:32:27 AM EST
    the affair grew out of sex tourism.  Given the large recreational sex industry in BA, and the erotic nature of the e-mails, my suspicions are aroused.  Given that Spitzer was ***holed out of office for patronizing a prostitute, I think it is fair to want to know more about how this started.

    according to Sandford (none / 0) (#96)
    by DFLer on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 08:33:43 AM EST
    the acquaintance started when he was advising her about how to save her marriage, some eight years ago.

    believe it or else.

    I had to laugh at his ... (none / 0) (#104)
    by Robot Porter on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 11:18:06 AM EST
    son's names:  Marshall, Landon, Bolton, and Blake.

    Very Talladega Nights.

    Perhaps I'm different than everyone else (none / 0) (#109)
    by ChrisO on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:18:31 PM EST
    but I do want to know all of the sordid details. And for no other reason than that I'm a gossip hound.

    One thought that occurred to me (and this is NOT a slap at his wife) but I wonder how the people of SC feel about paying for a Governor's mansion that the Governor has been kicked out of. Strictly speaking, I'm not sure it's Mrs. Sanford's right to kick him out.

    The house (none / 0) (#110)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 12:52:52 PM EST
    where the family is staying is not the Governor's house in Columbia. It's a house at Sullivan's Island, SC.

    Is there an actual mansion? (none / 0) (#111)
    by jbindc on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 01:04:33 PM EST
    I know the governor of Michigan just lives in a house in a regular neighborhood.  Now, there is a security checkpoint to get on the street, but I'm not sure if the taxpayer's pay for the house itself.

    Besides - remember Rudy Guiliani - he left Gracie Mansion when his wife kicked him out even though he didn't have to.


    They do indeed (5.00 / 0) (#113)
    by CoralGables on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 01:31:32 PM EST
    have what they term the Governor's Mansion. Built in 1855, it has officially been the home of the SC Governor since 1868.

    The State of South Carolina does a very good job protecting what wasn't destroyed in long ago wars.

    SC Governor's Mansion in Columbia


    Gov, Sanford (none / 0) (#115)
    by Incredulous on Thu Jun 25, 2009 at 03:52:21 PM EST
    I don't know if anybody has mentioned this - it appears to me that if the Gov. was not discovered, he was going to get into one of the vehicles (the one with all the camping gear.. remember?..) and he would have gone home and lied to his wife, yet again.. that he was just back from the appalachian hike... (clothing optional..?)!!..BEGGED for reconciliation....  Meanwhile, his aide would have retrieved the second car... and he would have continued to juggle this act.. until...?...!!!  maybe when the emails surfaced?... He had no intention to come clean....the weird press conf. is a good indicator of that... JMO.