Wednesday Afternoon Open Thread

Day got busy.

This is an Open Thread.

Update (TL): Busy day for me too, I'm headed to the jail. First day this week it's not sheer ice on the roads. We're up to 6 degrees outside. If you are lucky enought to be in a warm locale, enjoy.

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    Will HCR be Iraq? (5.00 / 4) (#5)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 01:49:50 PM EST
    As in declare victory and leave with it in shambles?

    Ten next month (5.00 / 9) (#9)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:09:20 PM EST
    Josh is in recovery now.  I'll get to go to him soon.  His skin was getting a little thin over one of his titanium clips so they put a collagen patch under it.  Isn't science the coolest?

    What did I miss, Tracy? (5.00 / 2) (#10)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:18:49 PM EST
    Josh is in recovery from what?

    Virtual hugs to your brave boy!!


    He just got out of surgery (5.00 / 4) (#79)
    by Militarytracy on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 05:39:57 PM EST
    having a titanium rib expansion.  He's eating like a horse too, always a good sign.  His ortho surgeons here only do titanium rib now, but they all had to do everything else before getting here so I asked them about his feet and amputating them at this point and they said absolutely not.  First do no harm.

    Found the perfect (5.00 / 1) (#81)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 05:57:01 PM EST
    thing :) for his recovery.

    I'm really glad to hear these doctors are saying 'no' to an immediate amputation. Honestly, MT, it just seemed like that was such an instant solution despite how irreversible, permanent and scary.


    Glad to hear Joshua (5.00 / 1) (#86)
    by caseyOR on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:32:22 PM EST
    came through the surgery and that all appears to be going well. How long will his hospital stay be this time?

    Sending all good thoughts your way, MT.


    Ditto here (5.00 / 1) (#98)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:25:32 PM EST
    Glad to hear Josh is out of (5.00 / 4) (#22)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:37:33 PM EST
    surgery - what that boy has been through  - and you right there with him - humbles me, Tracy.

    I've never been one to pray for specific things - it's always seemed too presumptuous to me - so I will pray for you and Josh what I would for myself and my child: the strength to keep going when things are at their worst, to make good decisions for the people I love, to be able to see the positive when everything seems so negative, to continue to find joy in the smallest of moments, to have courage to face whatever is yet to come, to help me to be a better person.

    Gentle hugs for both of you; keep us posted.


    Good. (5.00 / 2) (#37)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:01:43 PM EST
    The actual rod surgery was awful for my mother -  over 12 hours open to get the rods in. The doctors had the choice to do one or two surgeries, but chose one, and my mother ended up with a life-threatening surgical wound infection due to the length of time she was open. She was a very difficult case, though.

    It's much easier if done when the patient is a child.

    And obviously, since the actual rod surgery was a while ago, it went well for Josh. I am glad the patch surgery went well too.


    So glad to hear (none / 0) (#106)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:26:59 PM EST
    That your boy is doing well.  God Bless you all.  

    This is important... (5.00 / 1) (#11)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:19:54 PM EST
    so I'll mention it again since the other thread filled, I'm sure Jeralyn will be on it once she finds time....new DOJ prison stats.

    1.6 million in prison, another new record.  2.3 million in cages total.  Shame on us.

    Good news is the growth is slowing and prison pops are actually down in 20 states....probably the sh*t economy more than enlightenment, but I'll take what I can get.


    i wonder what effect state budgets (none / 0) (#13)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:22:08 PM EST
    and overcrowding lawsuits are having? We need more overcrowding lawsuits, and more early releases. It's unconscionable that so many are imprisoned here.

    What we need to do is lock up (5.00 / 2) (#66)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:16:23 PM EST
    the ones who need locking up and let out those who didn't need locking up irrespective of over crowding.

    I suspect a whole bunch are in jail because of dope.. On the other hand I read someplace where by the time someone is in prison they have been involved in multiple crimes......

    And after Clemmons you can forget about any Governor cutting anyone loose.


    You said it jeff... (none / 0) (#20)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:34:16 PM EST
    I refuse to believe we need protection from 1.6 million of our fellow Americans...something is wrong 'round here, very wrong.

    Ask former Gov. Huckabee for a quote. (none / 0) (#25)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:39:45 PM EST
    Sh*t... (none / 0) (#28)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:45:57 PM EST
    if he played as fast and loose with the pardons for non-believers as he did for the born-agains I'd freakin' vote for him.

    Not interested in faking it? (none / 0) (#68)
    by MKS on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:37:58 PM EST
    If I was property of a state... (none / 0) (#73)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:57:36 PM EST
    run by the Huckster, hell yeah I'm interesed. Beats scaling razor wire fences:)

    pardoning with one hand (none / 0) (#43)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:04:25 PM EST
    and I'll bet refusing to fund rehab with the other.

    If we can't have both... (none / 0) (#45)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:13:17 PM EST
    I'll take the pardons alone, give people a fighting chance at least.

    it's not realistic. (none / 0) (#116)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 10:34:58 PM EST
    something about Americans is really twisted in that we want to send people away forever, and dismiss them as lost causes. It makes political "willie horton" moments very effective and every pol knows it.

    Sad Sad Sad....it makes me sick how our throwaway society also throws away people.


    Huckabee said (none / 0) (#69)
    by MKS on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:43:12 PM EST
    we should stop locking up those we are mad at and lock up those we are afraid of....

    It's a good saying.....Here, Huckabee may have been right at first, but then Arkansas apparently had a second shot....


    Coming from a Republican, (none / 0) (#118)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 10:36:22 PM EST
    that's scary. Who are "we" afraid of? East coast liberals? atheists? Muslims? Mexicans?

    I think he meant violent offenders (none / 0) (#138)
    by MKS on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 02:59:03 PM EST
    Those who we are mad at that are in jail?  All the drug offedcners....

    one could assume.... (none / 0) (#140)
    by coigue on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 03:36:20 PM EST
    but I think that is too manipulatable a criterion.

    Am I wrong?


    Nope, you're right (none / 0) (#141)
    by MKS on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 05:22:44 PM EST
    If one were to literally use fear as a criterion, it would be horrible and horrobily vague and open to abuse, let alone unconstitutional.

    But, as a general idea to get people to think about not incarcerating non-violent offenders, it does have usefullness:  we lock up too many people we are "mad" at that pose no real threat to society.  


    Well. That sounds reasonable. (none / 0) (#142)
    by coigue on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 07:14:49 PM EST
    I just don't trust it coming from the squirrel popper.

    a national shame. (none / 0) (#40)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:03:04 PM EST
    does this include illegal immigrant detention facilities?

    I bet not.


    Good question... (5.00 / 1) (#44)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:12:24 PM EST
    we know it doesn't include people the CIA has locked in some foreign hole.

    Kdog, in the other open thread you asked (none / 0) (#63)
    by tigercourse on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:08:03 PM EST
    me why I called the Janitors "pot smoking slackers". Because I worked on various after school activities that lead to me getting to know most of the janitors. They smoked pot and were basically slackers. It might just have been my school.

    Except for the head janitor anyway. That (none / 0) (#65)
    by tigercourse on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:13:02 PM EST
    guy was either ex military or law enforcment. He carried himself like a Secret Service Agent and basically scared the hell out of me.

    Thanks for clarifying... (none / 0) (#70)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:49:07 PM EST
    We had the coolest janitor in elementary school, we called him "Spaghetti Eddie", though I have no idea why.

    Just remember him being the sweetest nicest guy...looking back he was probably a burner, come to think of it.  I never saw him without a smile on his face, ever:)


    Funny how kids dont like or dislike (none / 0) (#139)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 03:10:37 PM EST
    someone based on whether they're a slacker or not.

    Or, for what color or nationality they are.

    Those determinations are for the hanging-on-in-quiet-desperation crowd.


    Our schools mostly have (none / 0) (#107)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:31:01 PM EST
    Hard working Asians and Latinos as janitors.  They are not smoking anything, but are working their butts off.  Usually they are cleaning schools at night after working other jobs all day.  

    Hang tough, BTD! My advice on this ... (5.00 / 3) (#33)
    by Ellie on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:52:19 PM EST
    Busy day for me too, I'm headed to the jail.

    ... is to get a decent lawyer (or, failing that, a lawyer), and not to talk to the screws about how you half-@ssed your fantasy football team.

    I'd also steer clear of Noodles Romanoff at lunchtime. Both the prison menu standard and the inmate can kill you

    Yeah, Al is so up to date he (5.00 / 1) (#67)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:21:15 PM EST
    thinks the emails are 10 years old.


    I was gonna say... (none / 0) (#71)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:53:14 PM EST
    doesn't Al Gore have access to mad cash and interests to serve?

    Though his point is taken...full pockets are louder than empty ones, though no amount of cash can totally deodorize bullsh*t.


    My point was that the latest email in (none / 0) (#77)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 05:11:08 PM EST
    question was in November of 2009. The guy is a walking talking know nothing.

    Um (5.00 / 1) (#103)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:53:38 PM EST
    look, Al Gore has some problems but- a "know nothing" isn't that basically the opposite of what you guys hated about him?

    There have been (2.00 / 0) (#130)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 08:36:18 AM EST
    thousands upon thousands of words written about Gore's ability to demonstrate his lack of knowledge. Man made global warming is the center piece of his demonstrated "better to keep your mouth shut and thought dumb than open it and prove it."

    But I will give him this. He has become rich pitching his wrong and dangerous information. If he was in the drug business the FDA would shut him down.

    And hate is far too strong a word about my feelings. And I don't know who "you guys" are.


    Wasnt what you meant say (5.00 / 0) (#143)
    by jondee on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 09:18:03 PM EST
    thousands upon thousands of words spoken on AM talk radio?

    Let me see if I get you so far: greenhouse gasses have a warming effect in the atmosphere, but manmade greenhouse gasses produced by Rethug major donors have nada, zip, bopkis effect whatsoever; as a matter of fact, they have a positive effect -- in promoting family values, protecting our borders and derailing the express train of socialism. And keeping our precious bodily fluids pure.


    Google must not work for you. (none / 0) (#144)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 11, 2009 at 07:03:46 AM EST
    Uh, a Peace Prize (none / 0) (#129)
    by jimakaPPJ on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 08:30:16 AM EST
    has nothing to do with scientific knowledge and most people would not want to be associated with many people on the list.

    One more time (none / 0) (#145)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 11, 2009 at 07:07:55 AM EST
    the Nobel Peace prize has nothing to do with scientific knowledge but rather the actions of those being awarded the prize no matter their scientific, or lack of, knowledge.

    Or is Obama now a Rocket Scientist?

    And your point is? To just disagree?

    I understand.


    Have a merry Xmas (none / 0) (#148)
    by jimakaPPJ on Fri Dec 18, 2009 at 08:55:59 AM EST
    and please stay away next year.

    Top Chef Finale... (5.00 / 1) (#117)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 10:35:20 PM EST
    maybe we can discuss tomorrow when everyone who watches has seen it!

    yes yes yes yes yes (none / 0) (#119)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 10:42:42 PM EST
    so so so so good!

    I just finished watching this.

    Love it!

    What a season.

    Also - for any "so you think you can dance fans" I think both of these shows are in their best seasons, in the sense that the top 4 cooks and top 4 couples (8 dancers) were consistently phenomenal across the board.  Here's to creative and competitive reality tv!


    Huh? Sorry, what does this mean? (2.00 / 0) (#108)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:32:50 PM EST

    and he's up to 11 extra-marital affairs now, the latest is a hard-core pron star. [safe link]

    We had quite the disagreement (5.00 / 4) (#2)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 01:47:01 PM EST
    at lunch the other day about Tiger.  I was of the opinion that if you're someone like Tiger and you want to be a stud and live the playboy lifestyle, more power to you, but don't go getting married and having kids and making a commitment to someone if you want to stick with that lifestyle.  Some of my male colleagues disagreed, thought I was guilty of insufficient empathy, etc.

    It will not surprise anyone to learn that my wife took my side on this one!!


    DUH!!! (5.00 / 1) (#3)
    by coigue on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 01:49:00 PM EST
    Seems obvious! You don't get to act like a teenager when you are playing at being a grownup.

    Family is no game.


    Thank you! (5.00 / 3) (#74)
    by Dr Molly on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:57:40 PM EST
    Finally. It starts to get lonely being the only person who says that infidelity, lying and betrayal is, um well... wrong and very painful.

    One is usually framed as being nosy or a prude, but that's not it at all. I have just personally seen many people emotionally destroyed by this kind of thing, not to mention the pain inflicted on kids.

    These people just shouldn't be in a monogamous relationship.


    insufficient empathy (none / 0) (#4)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 01:49:07 PM EST
    to whom?  Tiger or his wife?

    Tiger, apparently (5.00 / 2) (#6)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 01:55:33 PM EST
    I think they were suggesting that maybe a guy can get married with the best of intentions, but eventually he gets an itch or has a mid-life crisis or something and I shouldn't be too harsh.  I like to think I don't get all up on my high horse when people do stuff like that.  But can we stipulate the Tiger seems to taken it quite a few steps past that point?!?

    All I'm saying is that people need to have the basic maturity to know if they're not ready to settle down yet.  It's one thing to give in to a weak moment of temptation.  But if you find yourself getting the phone number of the stripper at your bachelor party, maybe this commitment thing just isn't for you!


    An itch?? (5.00 / 5) (#55)
    by coast on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:37:48 PM EST
    Possibly 11 women equals a full body rash if you ask me.

    I would just like (5.00 / 2) (#100)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:32:24 PM EST
    to point out that Tiger Woods' escapades make the Monica L scandal look like childs' play.

    As far as I'm concerned, Tiger Woods should not be hard news.  


    Tiger's golf game ... (none / 0) (#34)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:52:24 PM EST
    is the only thing I care about.  He's not my father, he's not my brother, and he's not my friend.

    What he does off the course is his business, and of no interest to me.


    Well (5.00 / 2) (#38)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:02:23 PM EST
    People I don't know personally can still be scummy.

    And I bet all those ... (none / 0) (#59)
    by Robot Porter on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:56:00 PM EST
    people are on tenterhooks awaiting your opinion of them.

    If this topic is of no interest to you (none / 0) (#60)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:57:03 PM EST
    you really weren't obligated to insert your non-opinion.

    He made it our business (5.00 / 1) (#92)
    by magster on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:50:44 PM EST
    by selling his image to corporations to sell me their products.  Allegedly he told one of his mistresses that his marriage was a sham to promote his image (good thing he fathered children).  

    It's a public service to expose fraudulent behavior, even though that seems to only happen when there's sex involved.

    The only downside to his downfall is I look less cool driving my Buick.


    Since golf is not just a (none / 0) (#46)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:17:51 PM EST
    physical game, but a mental one, I will be curious to see how Tiger fares in tournament play from this point; crowd reactions should be interesting, as well.

    [I think there's a joke in here somewhere about the meaning of the oft-heard "in the hole!!!" that is shouted from the gallery by what sound like drunken frat boys, but I will leave it to others to make it.]


    Anne! You provocateur! (none / 0) (#47)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:23:16 PM EST
    How risque!

    Sorry! Sometimes, almost without (none / 0) (#50)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:32:15 PM EST
    realizing it, my mind goes "there," and before I know it, my fingers are on the keyboard and typing away...



    And (none / 0) (#62)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:06:52 PM EST
    Commenters talking about him "getting a firm grip on his club", and deciding whether to use a wood or an iron should also be entertaining.

    Also, as more mistresses come out of the woodwork, there are bound to be jokes about Tiger spending more time at the "19th Hole"


    Not Tiger, but Cheetah (none / 0) (#97)
    by DFLer on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:17:56 PM EST
    The funny thing is (none / 0) (#76)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 05:08:31 PM EST
    while this hurts his marketability it could make him the bad boy of golf- start wearing nothing but the red and the black, maybe throw in some shades- tell me this doesn't make Tiger more interesting- he could start dropping hints on the green with opponents- even innocent inquiries sound a bit odd now- "Hey Ernie hows the wife?' etc.

    I'm with you. (none / 0) (#7)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:02:39 PM EST
    He was (ok, is, too me) a young guy who essentially had the whole world at his, er, convenience. And I'm sure he was well aware of it and utilized it to the best of his abilities.

    Then he went and not only got married, but got his wife pregnant almost immediately it seemed.

    Being married is one thing, but being married with kids is a whole 'nother thing entirely.

    He has no excuse.


    Maybe (none / 0) (#12)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:20:34 PM EST
    he figured he needed a child to propel his legacy to the next generation.

    He has nothing, if not an ego.

    I don't know anything for sure, but it all makes for good Halloween costumes, but you gotta have a partner.  Envision:

    From SNL: The golfer wearing a golf club handle formed around his skull and the angry blonde girl next to him.

    From a ball game:  The tiger being chased by the angry blonde woman with the golf club.

    Priceless....and I hope Ms. Woods, if she chooses to divorce him, takes him to the cleaners.


    Well (5.00 / 3) (#21)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:36:59 PM EST
    given what we're hearing, I sure hope those are his only two kids.

    Good point. Meanwhile, Tiger will (none / 0) (#23)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:38:38 PM EST
    not be receiving the Congressional Medal of Honor (for now).  Congressman Joe Baca, an avid golfer, has withdrawn the nomination.

    The guy had 8 mistresses and counting. (none / 0) (#31)
    by steviez314 on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:49:05 PM EST
    He should get SOME kind of award, don't ya think?

    Maybe so. Espec. if performed (none / 0) (#48)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:25:41 PM EST
    whilst on Ambien as reported somewhere or other.

    I've read that some Ambien users (none / 0) (#95)
    by magster on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:55:39 PM EST
    have sex without remembering the event.  

    Tiger's lawyer can argue that Tiger carried on these ten long term affairs with porn stars while having no conscious memory of the affairs at all, and that he is, in fact, a victim, and then sue the makers of Ambien.


    Or become a celebrity endorser of it. (5.00 / 1) (#99)
    by steviez314 on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:29:00 PM EST
    Tiger will be ok and "hotter" than (none / 0) (#52)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:33:43 PM EST
    ever, per Donald Trump.  link

    The Donald has become a kind of celeb STD ... (5.00 / 1) (#58)
    by Ellie on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:55:56 PM EST
    ... glomming his smarmy self onto every new scandal.

    I deliberately tune this cr@p out, but then there's The Donald, turning up a few days into the latest POS like a giant hi-def cold sore.


    He should know. (none / 0) (#54)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:35:37 PM EST
    I don't know who is the dumber (none / 0) (#64)
    by jimakaPPJ on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:10:29 PM EST
    Baca or Woods.

    She can't clean him out... (none / 0) (#15)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:23:48 PM EST
    rock solid pre-nup from what I've been hearing.

    but five million a month in child support (none / 0) (#17)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:27:15 PM EST
     might be a possibility... just pulling a large figure from the air. Judges are wont to grant large child support requirements.

    Although "news" reports last week (none / 0) (#26)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:41:14 PM EST
    stated there was a substantial modification of the pre nup as a condition of Ms. Woods remaining in the marriage.

    Heh. something like (none / 0) (#27)
    by jeffinalabama on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:42:52 PM EST
    "Got any dreams, Tiger? Yep, we want those, too."

    With all due appreciation and credit to the late Richard Prior.


    LOL... (5.00 / 2) (#35)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:52:40 PM EST
    "I'm an American woman now Tiger...I want half!"

    All appreciation and credit to Eddie Murphy.


    ALL prenups (none / 0) (#49)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:26:57 PM EST
    Can be broken - just gotta get the right lawyer and the right judge!  :)

    So pre-nups... (none / 0) (#51)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:32:34 PM EST
    are kinda like laws then...made to be broken.

    I think it's all about power. (none / 0) (#56)
    by sarcastic unnamed one on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:40:02 PM EST
    "I don't care what the pre-nup says, if you don't pay me X, I'll tell Nike about Y."

    Not going there with you kdog :) (none / 0) (#61)
    by jbindc on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:05:01 PM EST
    Not this time.

    One issue may be, did Mrs. Woods (none / 0) (#72)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 04:57:24 PM EST
    have a separate lawyer before she signed the pre-nup, and, also, was it translated for her before she signed it.  This ploy worked for a Russian woman.  She had the lawyer and actually spoke and read English well, but she prevailed on the translation issue.

    Domestic Violence is funny (none / 0) (#18)
    by Socraticsilence on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:27:44 PM EST
    Can we do a Chris Brown Rhianna one too?!

    Ew boy (5.00 / 2) (#109)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:33:59 PM EST
    What happened to Tiger was something different than domestic violence... can you see the difference?  Wouldn't she have been arrested?

    Domestic violence has an intimidation factor.  

    The wife in this case was just throwing a tantrum.

    I find it truly laughable to call the Tiger scenario domestic violence.


    And further (5.00 / 2) (#112)
    by TeresaInSnow2 on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:46:05 PM EST
    Calling this situation with Tiger Woods domestic violence is a real affront to women and men who suffer intimidation, brutalization, and oppression at the hands of violent spouses every day.

    It is NOT the same thing, and it's almost mockery to call it so.

    And calling it so is a little like screaming racism every time someone criticizes Mr. Obama.  Again NOT the same thing.



    (Hiding under desk).... (none / 0) (#19)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:32:48 PM EST
    Its kinda funny when its woman on cheating man domestic violence...don't hurt me for saying so:)

    I tend to agree... (none / 0) (#8)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:06:33 PM EST
    no shame in being a swinging bachelor, just don't deceive anybody....thats the sin.

    otoh, for all we know he had his wife's permission to mess around as long as he didn't get caught, and its only an issue since it hit the Enquirer.  Every marriage is different.

    A guy like Sanford I could empathize with...he seemed to really love his other woman and was in a crisis of the heart.  


    The way I heard it, Elin gave Tiger (5.00 / 2) (#29)
    by Anne on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:46:22 PM EST
    an ultimatum - pre-marriage - when she thought they were exclusive and in a serious relationship, and discovered he was running around on her: "give up the other women and marry me, or I walk."

    If that's true, I don't imagine she is the permission-giving, look-the-other-way type wife.

    And if I were her, I'd be getting tested for STDs and HIV  - ASAP.


    yea (5.00 / 1) (#32)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:51:25 PM EST
    that's the worst part of it all to me.  Don't take chances with other people's health.

    All the mistresses should be doing the same (5.00 / 1) (#36)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:00:43 PM EST
    ...getting tested for STD's.

    Hard to believe these guys don't learn from the lessons of those who erred before them....Magic with AIDS, how many with illegitimate children, damaged careers, destroyed marriages, legal bills, and on and on.....


    Well... (5.00 / 2) (#39)
    by kdog on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:02:50 PM EST
    if Gatorade and Cadillac bail there is always an endorsement deal with Trojan.

    Not a chance (5.00 / 1) (#110)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:38:25 PM EST
    He went to Stanford not USC :)

    Lifestyles then!...n/t (none / 0) (#127)
    by kdog on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 08:04:34 AM EST
    Amazing to me (5.00 / 1) (#101)
    by BackFromOhio on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:35:34 PM EST
    that having caught him cheating before marriage, that she truly thought he would change his ways.  Lesson #1 about marriage, they always say, don't go into a marriage expecting to change anyone.

    Um (none / 0) (#16)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:24:58 PM EST
    maybe I would feel bad for him if he has a sex addiction or something.

    But seriously you're right...an "itch" and a mid-life crisis?  How do you describe the 9+ mistresses and consistent casual sex habits of a 33 year old golfer that way?  


    That excuse was mentioned (5.00 / 1) (#41)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:03:25 PM EST
    online this morning.

    I still wouldn't feel sorry for him. He's got enough money to seek help and he had enough to lose to encourage him to find the help he needed.


    Dear Lord (none / 0) (#124)
    by Militarytracy on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 06:30:19 AM EST
    I doubt the Tiger lifestyle any healthier or doable than it was a generation ago.  And I have four step-mothers who can testify to how sorry they can make you too ;)  I love my father, but what a putz.

    We in my office are thinking about (none / 0) (#14)
    by ruffian on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:23:45 PM EST
    marketing a Tiger girl-of the-month calendar, but are realizing it will have to be one of those day-at-a-time page tear-off varieties.

    I agree with the other comments - more power to him, but why is he getting married and having kids?

    Wait, I know - for the image. Sponsors want a stable family guy to hawk their stuff. So much for that.


    Maybe (5.00 / 3) (#24)
    by Steve M on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:39:12 PM EST
    but Derek Jeter gets plenty of endorsements, and seems to have plenty of fun from what I can tell.  There's the playboy lifestyle and there's the married lifestyle -- choose the ONE that's right for you!

    I don't know (none / 0) (#57)
    by ruffian on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:50:04 PM EST
    Baseball is popular enough that there can be a megastar endorser for every taste, so to speak. With golf you tend to get only one at a time.

    Blame it on DNA: (none / 0) (#75)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 05:06:55 PM EST
    Tiger promotional ads have stopped (none / 0) (#30)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 02:47:01 PM EST
    running. Seems those who use his image are holding back to see how badly he damaged himself in this.

    AND, saw on the news a two year old who is showing himself as a golf prodigy of the same caliber as 3 year old Tiger did. Hope his parents teach him the value of a vow before he makes the big time.


    Nothing beats Mark Sanford though. (none / 0) (#53)
    by lilburro on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 03:34:57 PM EST
    I guess if Mark Sanford is King David, then Woods is Solomon.  Zing!

    Why do you say this? Tiger went to (none / 0) (#78)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 05:15:29 PM EST
    Australia.  Sanford only went to Argentina.  And Tiger seems to be way ahead in the numbers count.

    for that reason (5.00 / 1) (#132)
    by lilburro on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 09:20:35 AM EST
    Solomon had the most wives, concubines, etc. in the Bible.  Over 700!  Don't worry, I had to Google this knowledge.

    As they say if you have to explain it it's not a good joke.  :( :( :(


    also Sanford (none / 0) (#133)
    by lilburro on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 09:21:01 AM EST
    compared himself to King David.

    David was known for his (none / 0) (#134)
    by jeffinalabama on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 11:09:17 AM EST
    extramarital affairs, as well as for having his son Absolom taken out (although he claimed not to do so).

    Came across these facts while examining the concubine issue for a lecture on family.


    He also (none / 0) (#137)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 12:57:46 PM EST
    Had Bathsheba's husband sent off to war, knowing the husband would be killed, so he could have her all to himself.

    To give (none / 0) (#82)
    by Zorba on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 05:57:33 PM EST
    Mark Sanford some credit (OMG, I can't believe I'm actually typing this!  Must wash out eyeballs and hands with strong lye soap!), it appears that Sanford "only" had one mistress (that we know of), of whom he appeared to have been genuinely fond (this is not to excuse his adultery in any way, shape, or form, or the fact that he still lied to his wife, and left the state without telling anyone where he was).  Tiger seems to have slept with the regiment.  I have a problem with The Boyz (or The Girlz, for that matter, and that happens, too), getting married and then deciding that it doesn't mean a darned thing.  Don't get married, then!  You are breaking your vows, exposing an innocent spouse to your lies, and, as other posters have noted, the possibility of STD's.  HIV, HPV, herpes, Hep C.... the list goes on.

    They used to call them (none / 0) (#89)
    by Zorba on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:39:47 PM EST
    groupies: sports groupies, rock-band groupies, any-kind-of-celebrity groupies.  Yes, I suppose that all famous people (politicians, too) have people who want to sleep with them because they are famous, or because of what they think the famous person can give them, or do for them.  The famous people, on their part, get the sex, as well as the ego-massage.

    Sanford said he wanted to repair (none / 0) (#94)
    by Molly Pitcher on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:54:34 PM EST
    his marriage.  Then he comes out with the statement that the Argentine woman was his 'soul mate.'  Besides, 'my' (unfortunately) Gov. Sanford is holier than any 'thou'  He carried a pig into the legislative house to complain about wasting money.  How much state (and family) money did he waste sneaking off to Argentina.

    His wife (none / 0) (#131)
    by lilburro on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 09:18:03 AM EST
    was on Barbara Walters' fascinating people show last night.  Asked whether she was Sanford's soul mate she said something like "clearly not."  I'm not seeing reconciliation happening between these two...

    San Diego is a chilly 55 (none / 0) (#84)
    by Dadler on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:15:25 PM EST
    Weep for me.

    Curses (none / 0) (#90)
    by Zorba on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:40:49 PM EST
    be upon you, Donald!  Do you have a spare bedroom for guests?  ;-)

    Wind chills below zero here (none / 0) (#91)
    by Cream City on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:50:06 PM EST
    with the Denver weather sent our way.  This, after the monster storm of several decades, from which the only relief is to be able to say "at last, it's too cold to snow."

    So you will understand that I am a tad short on sympathy for you.:-)

    I don't have time for tendering sympathy, anyway, as I'm doing the annual search of the closets for all of the requisite winter survival paraphernalia, while making a mental note to self to remember to start 15 minutes sooner than usual tomorrow, as it takes that long to put on all the layers. . . .


    So frickin' cold here (none / 0) (#96)
    by caseyOR on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:10:37 PM EST
    We are  having record breaking lows in the teens and single digits on the westside of the Cascades (Central and Eastern Oregon winters are always bitterly cold. Temps there are several degrees below zero). Temps on the usually moderate coast fell into the teens. Waterfalls in the Columbia River gorge have frozen in all their cascading glory, which is a gorgeous sight, but a sign of just how cold it is here.

    This has been going on for days. Water pipes are breaking all over town. Thankfully, it is all very dry. No snow; no freezing rain, at least not until Saturday.

    Oh how we yearn for our usual "temps in the 40s with rain" winter weather.


    Oh, noooes, not bursting water pipes (5.00 / 1) (#104)
    by Cream City on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:57:34 PM EST
    We had enough of that last year, when we belatedly discovered that one of the previous owners -- of this historic preservation project from h*ll that we call home -- had done, as they say, "maverick" plumbing behind walls.  Walls remained standing when the pipe froze, but how did we discover this?  A few drops of water on the first-floor ceiling below, and then . . . the ceiling fell down.  Back to life in a construction project for months -- and more discoveries, such as which animals tend to crawl in and die behind walls and ceilings, too.  

    Oh, the joys of winter.  Now I have to worry about what other surprises, from bad plumbing to critter carcasses, await behind these walls and between these floors and ceilings. . . .


    Indeed (none / 0) (#105)
    by Inspector Gadget on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 08:33:30 PM EST
    Seattle area has been beautiful for the past 5+ days. Temperatures are below freezing, but not a cloud in the sky....so, the air is crystal clear with the absence of moisture.

    My daughter and SIL have had their water main break....their driveway is 2" thick with ice and the plumbers can't start working on it until next Monday. So, they turn their water off at the meter at night. Yikes!! They are doing their part for the economy....looking at probably a $600 water bill and $10,000 in plumbing repair. TG for insurance.


    Predicted low of 40 tonight! (none / 0) (#93)
    by oculus on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 06:51:39 PM EST
    San Francisco High of 49 (none / 0) (#102)
    by hollyfromca on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 07:47:13 PM EST
    10 degrees colder than usual.  We've had almost night frosts the past two nights--enough to fry some of the leaves of my lemon and avocado trees.

    Must be Global Warming? (none / 0) (#111)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:43:39 PM EST
    The whole country is freezing.  We've had more snow already than we had ALL of last winter and more coming this weekend.  Makes it hard to keep the faith on Global warming.  The darn cows across the street are huddled together, on an ice sheet, and continuing to omit CO2.   What can we do?  Other than huddle with them?  

    I dunno (5.00 / 1) (#114)
    by CST on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:57:59 PM EST
    it's cold out today, but it was 70 a couple days ago... in Boston... in December...

    Also it's not really "global warming" so much as "climate change"

    and the first sign is extreme weather of all kinds.  Which we have definitely seen more of in recent years.


    That's what my grandparents always said! (none / 0) (#115)
    by BrassTacks on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 10:04:24 PM EST
    No, it's North Pole warming (5.00 / 1) (#121)
    by Cream City on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 01:24:49 AM EST
    if you think about it, then pushing Canadian weather south to us.  That's the climate change.

    It's 75 in Miami right now (none / 0) (#113)
    by CoralGables on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 09:49:46 PM EST
    With a high of 87 tomorrow my AC is still getting a workout.

    OTOH (none / 0) (#120)
    by gyrfalcon on Wed Dec 09, 2009 at 11:31:38 PM EST
    an unusually warm -- well, er, not super-cold -- fall here in Vermont this year.  Last year, we were buried in snow by late October with consistent below-freezing temps.  This year, it's been above freezing during the day so far and we only got our first snow today, a pidding three inches or so.

    But on top of that snow came higher temps and then a bit of rain, just in time to melt stuff into slush before we plunge down into the 20s and 10s day and night for the next week.

    With my steep driveway, my next car is going to have to be a Zamboni.


    Thanks to all for keeping the thread (none / 0) (#122)
    by Jeralyn on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 02:16:29 AM EST
    going. It's close to zero degrees here and I got back a few hours ago from the TL birthday kid's dinner with his dad and brother(not mine, but they are close in age). It was so cold the restaurant blew a heater and we had to eat with our jackets on . We had a lot of Spanish coffees before the appetizers arrived to warm us up.It was really fun, especially for Nic, to have us all there together. And...the TLKid's dad offered me his box at the Pepsi Center for when Bon Jovi comes in March, so I feel like I got a present too.  It's the first time I've asked since the Stones played there Thanksgiving afternoon 2 years ago.

    Anyway, despite the cold, we're all doing well here with no immediate problems or crises, so that's another good thing.

    Yikes! (none / 0) (#126)
    by jbindc on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 07:13:09 AM EST
    Uganda considers the death penalty for those who are active homosexuals living with HIV/AIDS or in cases of same-sex rape.

    KAMPALA, Uganda - Proposed legislation would impose the death penalty for some gay Ugandans, and their family and friends could face up to seven years in jail if they fail to report them to authorities. Even landlords could be imprisoned for renting to homosexuals.


    The Ugandan legislation in its current form would mandate a death sentence for active homosexuals living with HIV or in cases of same-sex rape. "Serial offenders" also could face capital punishment, but the legislation does not define the term. Anyone convicted of a homosexual act faces life imprisonment.

    Anyone who "aids, abets, counsels or procures another to engage of acts of homosexuality" faces seven years in prison if convicted. Landlords who rent rooms or homes to homosexuals also could get seven years and anyone with "religious, political, economic or social authority" who fails to report anyone violating the act faces three years.

    Obama blocking reimportation of rxs (none / 0) (#128)
    by jedimom on Thu Dec 10, 2009 at 08:11:44 AM EST
    Dorgan and McCain teaming up on the RX reimportation amendment

    even AP is laying the blame where it belongs at the feet of Team Obama, his behind closed doors deal with Pharma and Billy Tauzin leads him and his FDA to OBJECT to the Dorgan Amendment to allow reimportation of rxs for American consumers

    THIS would save Billions for Americans

    Even AP notes OBAMA is blocking this billions in savings for American consumers. Debate continues today:

        A bipartisan group of lawmakers hopes to finally win a long struggle to ease curbs against importing low-cost prescription drugs but will have to overcome the Obama administration and the pharmaceutical industry to do so.